Is this a workhouse?....

[Kizzy]

'Plans for a new purpose-built, 292-room hostel for homeless families in Haggerston have been given the go-ahead.

Blue Chip Trading Ltd and property developer Hezi Zakai will now get to work on building the hostel, which will be managed by the council and hold over 600 people once it is finished.

It will be fitted with workstations, a launderette, 24-hour security and free wi-fi.

Councillors and residents have spoken out against what the scheme represents, warning that while the building is classed as temporary accommodation, families' stays in the 20-square-metre units are likely to be anything but temporary.'

https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/kingsland-road-mega-homeless-hostel-approved-1-6313821

[arista]

Its better than nothing

[Kizzy]

Its better than nothing

Is it a workhouse?

[arista]

Is it a workhouse?

no

[Marsh.]

What is meant by "workstations"?

[smudgie]

I would think a workstation means the same as it does in houses.
A table/desk and a chair to sit on.:shrug:

[Kizzy]

A table and a chair is not a workstation.. in a 20 metre room it would be a dining area surely?

[Marsh.]

There's no suggestion that they are working there though?

It's sheltered accommodation?

[smudgie]

A table and a chair is not a workstation.. in a 20 metre room it would be a dining area surely?

It stated workstation.
If it double up as a dining table that’s even better. Enough room for one, two at a push.
Win win.

[Cherie]

I would imagine the workstations are for kids to do their homework etc :shrug:

[arista]

I would imagine the workstations are for kids to do their homework etc :shrug:


Yes
Common Sense

[arista]

Kizzy We have not gone that bad

[Oliver_W]

Haha oh come on, Kizzy's obviously kidding, no-one could possibly think that means it's a workhouse :joker:

[Kizzy]

Kizzy We have not gone that bad

Arista there will be 292 families living in rooms 20 metre square many obviously won't even have a window...its bad enough.

[arista]

Arista there will be 292 families living in rooms 20 metre square many obviously won't even have a window...its bad enough.


Yes but at least they have a home,

Years back , I have Stayed in Easy Hotels
with no window
saving money,
The TV takes over.

[arista]

Haha oh come on, Kizzy's obviously kidding, no-one could possibly think that means it's a workhouse :joker:


No she is not kidding
and Kizzy does not Trust those in power
which is fair enough

[Oliver_W]

No she is not kidding
and Kizzy does not Trust those in power
which is fair enough

Not trusting those in power is one thing ... but unless she's been drinking lighter fluid, she doesn't actually think this is a workhouse :joker:

[Alf]

I'll tell you what is a workhouse. Me, I never bleedin' stop.

[Cherie]

Arista there will be 292 families living in rooms 20 metre square many obviously won't even have a window...its bad enough.

Looking at the artists impression the building is covered with windows, obviously if the room doesn’t have a window thats not good, but with my limited knowledge it doesn’t look like it’s the case?

[Kizzy]

Looking at the artists impression the building is covered with windows, obviously if the room doesn’t have a window thats not good, but with my limited knowledge it doesn’t look like it’s the case?

Of course the buidling has windows cherie... on the outside but will 292 rooms each have a window was my point. Obviously it's not going to be a solid concrete block like an NCP car park is it? :/

[Tom4784]

I do fear we will end up sliding back to those days at the rate we're going but I wouldn't say this is a workhouse unless they are given labour to 'earn' their keep.

[Oliver_W]

I do fear we will end up sliding back to those days at the rate we're going but I wouldn't say this is a workhouse unless they are given labour to 'earn' their keep.

For argument sake, I don't think that'd be awful if the place wasn't funded by the government and completely unattached to the welfare system.

[Kizzy]

For argument sake, I don't think that'd be awful if the place wasn't funded by the government and completely unattached to the welfare system.

So you wouldn't mind if it was a workhouse then?

[Cherie]

Of course the buidling has windows cherie... on the outside but will 292 rooms each have a window was my point. Obviously it's not going to be a solid concrete block like an NCP car park is it? :/

it depends how its laid out, we don't have a floor plan, so I can't say either way kizzy, can you?

[Tom4784]

For argument sake, I don't think that'd be awful if the place wasn't funded by the government and completely unattached to the welfare system.

It's something that could work on paper but not in practice. There would always be abuse, especially if it was privately owned.

We only have to look how cruelly we treat people on benefits to see that a workhouse would go the same way as they did back then.

[Oliver_W]

So you wouldn't mind if it was a workhouse then?

As long as people went there by choice, and if it wasn't a publicly owned thing, and if they were treated humanely. But we have no reason to think it is.

[user104658]

Tbh I'd assume they mean communal computer workstations like in a library?

[Cherie]

Tbh I'd assume they mean communal computer workstations like in a library?

its hard to see how anyone could equate a workstation with the workhouse, but there you go

[Ammi]

...I can’t do the ..’it’s better than nothing..’...thing...that could be said about anything to defend regression or inadequacy ...is this the face of social housing...these type of hostel living conditions should never be more than a temporary stop gap if that became a necessity...but the article is saying that in this borough...children born in these hostels are still living there at school age...

[Cherie]

...I can’t do the ..’it’s better than nothing..’...thing...that could be said about anything to defend regression or inadequacy ...is this the face of social housing...these type of hostel living conditions should never be more than a temporary stop gap if that became a necessity...but the article is saying that in this borough...children born in these hostels are still living there at school age...

We need to ask the Mayor where all this extra social housing is that he promised, he is too busy promoting himself as the new Labour leader to worry about it. Hopefully when we get the opportunity to kick him out next year, we will get a pro active Mayor not one who trots out platitudes and tweets and shows no action whatsoever

[MB.]

It sounds like feudalism to me

[arista]

Yes the London Mayor wants more housing
but today on SkyNewsHD Burley Breakfast show
like Cherie stated he is wanting Corbyn in power
to get better funding etc.

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[Kizzy]

its hard to see how anyone could equate a workstation with the workhouse, but there you go

Hard for you maybe ... try thinking more laterally.
Why was the workstation the main portion of the description? It came before everything, the laundrette, the WiFi, communal areas and play facilities for the children don't even get a mention... why?

[Kizzy]

We need to ask the Mayor where all this extra social housing is that he promised, he is too busy promoting himself as the new Labour leader to worry about it. Hopefully when we get the opportunity to kick him out next year, we will get a pro active Mayor not one who trots out platitudes and tweets and shows no action whatsoever

What about the one you had that wasted 800 million on an imaginary bridge... he's now prime minister!!
Councils hands have been tied as to what funding can and can not be used for house building. Like everywhere else London is overstretched underfunded.

[Cherie]

Hard for you maybe ... try thinking more laterally.
Why was the workstation the main portion of the description? It came before everything, the laundrette, the WiFi, communal areas and play facilities for the children don't even get a mention... why?

the main portion of the description?

it just happened to be first on the list...

actually 24-hour security is a longer word, if we are really thinking laterally, not having a place to do homework has long been an issue in B and Bs where families are confined to one room with no other space.....maybe that's why it got top billing....how's that for lateral thinking...the descriptors are what will be available in addition to accommodation, its a step up from B and Bs, and if it keeps families in the area close to work, family, friends, rather than dispersing them round the country how is that a bad thing, the only issue for me is that this should be a temporary stop gap, but again I refer to the Labour Mayor to maybe give a hand with that one...



It will be fitted with workstations, a launderette, 24-hour security and free wi-fi.

[Cherie]

What about the one you had that wasted 800 million on an imaginary bridge... he's now prime minister!!
Councils hands have been tied as to what funding can and can not be used for house building. Like everywhere else London is overstretched underfunded.

The Mayor has his own budget...what is he using it on?

[Kazanne]

What about the one you had that wasted 800 million on an imaginary bridge... he's now prime minister!!
Councils hands have been tied as to what funding can and can not be used for house building. Like everywhere else London is overstretched underfunded.

Councils hands aren't that tied Kizzy , when they can afford to have their massive offices refurbished, their fleet of vans painted with logos and glossy calendars to all tenants who invariably don't use them so they go in the recycle bin , they waste a lot of money that they are given, not much of it actually goes into tenants housing etc from what I am told.