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Police have arrested a lorry driver on suspicion of murder after 39 bodies were found in a container in Essex.
Essex Police said it was called by the ambulance service shortly before 1.40am on Wednesday following the discovery of a lorry container with people inside.
It is thought that they found the bodies of 38 adults and one teenager inside the container at Waterglade Industrial Park, Eastern Avenue, Grays.
All 39 people were pronounced dead at the scene.
Officers said the lorry had arrived in the UK from Bulgaria via Holyhead, North Wales on Saturday.
Police have arrested one 25-year-old man from Northern Ireland on suspicion of murder.
Chief Superintendent Andrew Mariner said: “This is a tragic incident where a large number of people have lost their lives. Our enquiries are ongoing to establish what has happened.
“We are in the process of identifying the victims, however I anticipate that this could be a lengthy process.
“We believe the lorry is from Bulgaria and entered the country at Holyhead on Saturday 19 October and we are working closely with our partners to investigate.
“We have arrested the lorry driver in connection with the incident who remains in police custody as our enquiries continue. I appreciate this cordon is going to disrupt the activity of local businesses in the area and we will work to ensure that disruption is kept as short as possible. We are working with Thurrock Council to mitigate against any impact our investigation scene will have locally.”
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-launch-murder-probe-after-39-bodies-found-in-container-in-thurrock-084103954.html
arista
23-10-2019, 09:32 AM
From Bulgaria
he is 25 years old
https://news.sky.com/story/39-dead-bodies-found-inside-lorry-in-essex-11842770
Oh my gosh how horrifying.
So it arrived here Saturday but they were found dead still inside the lorry on Wednesday? :(
Cherie
23-10-2019, 09:47 AM
Horrific, hope they died quickly
arista
23-10-2019, 09:54 AM
Horrific, hope they died quickly
No in a Lorry it would be slow
The Northern Irish Driver is 25
Police will try to find , who else is involved in this
Illegal migrant deaths
arista
23-10-2019, 10:06 AM
https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/skynews-lorry-migrants_4813300.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191023103128
smudgie
23-10-2019, 10:10 AM
Tragic :sad:
Toy Soldier
23-10-2019, 10:20 AM
Horrific for those poor people, and for the attending officers and paramedics.
Nicky91
23-10-2019, 10:24 AM
Tragic :(, but anyway why would they suspect the driver, for all we know they might've been stowaways and he was unaware they were inside
just heard it on our local brabant radio during lunch
Kazanne
23-10-2019, 10:26 AM
Anyone know how they died ? was it carbon monoxide poisoning,seems a large group of people to die. its tragic .
arista
23-10-2019, 10:28 AM
Anyone know how they died ? was it carbon monoxide poisoning,seems a large group of people to die. its tragic .
Massive Truck
could be a fridge unit ?
...their carriage to a more hopeful life became their coffin...I wonder if they were given food and water on their journey...
Niamh.
23-10-2019, 10:34 AM
Awful, so sad people feel the need to put themselves in so much danger in search of a better life. We don't know how lucky (and it is pure luck, I think people would do well to remember that sometimes) we are to have been born on this side of the world
arista
23-10-2019, 10:38 AM
...their carriage to a more hopeful life became their coffin...I wonder if they were given food and water on their journey...
I think the migrants
take their own water bottles
Awful, so sad people feel the need to put themselves in so much danger in search of a better life. We don't know how lucky (and it is pure luck, I think people would do well to remember that sometimes) we are to have been born on this side of the world
...I was just thinking similar last night when i was watching some footage in Turkey atm...horrendous and a world we can’t even conceive...
Niamh.
23-10-2019, 10:41 AM
...I was just thinking similar last night when i was watching some footage in Turkey atm...horrendous and a world we can’t even conceive...
Absolutely, it's very easy to stand back and dehumanise what we can't even comprehend but it could easily have been any one of us here too, we don't get to choose who or where our parents are
...one of the people was a teenager...I wonder if their families will be able to be located and notified of their deaths...or if they’ll never know..:sad:..it’s terribly sad...
Livia
23-10-2019, 10:52 AM
Some scumbags made a fortune from those people. Anyone caught trafficking people for any reason should spend the rest of their life in prison.
Eddie.
23-10-2019, 10:56 AM
Wow 39. A number that's difficult to fathom...
Toy Soldier
23-10-2019, 11:59 AM
Honestly (very grim thought) it makes me wonder how many "smuggling" gangs out there even bother making the journey. I would imagine there are groups out there taking people's money, loading them into a truck and driving them straight to a hole in the ground.
The whole situation is just abysmal.
Nicky91
23-10-2019, 12:07 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_smuggling
here's a wikipedia article about people smuggling, human trafficking
The complexity of the smuggling network is dependent upon the route to be taken and the nature of the journey. For routes that are well-known and tested, smugglers may function more as family enterprises and utilize fairly contained operations. The more complex the route, however, the more members of the smuggling network must be recruited. In general, the infrastructure of the people smuggling business is nontraditional, with no clearly identifiable organization and no rigid structure. The network of smugglers is diffused and decentralized. Smugglers form temporary business alliances, and the organization of smugglers can best be understood and described as ad hoc task forces, in which activities are specialized and controlled by individuals that deal with each other on a one-to-one basis. In the business of people smuggling, there is no single "godfather" figure who commands the activities of subordinates; rather, individuals conduct business on equal grounds and tend to consider themselves free agents. In fact, according to a Los Angeles-based smuggler, "The division of labor is really clear and refined. Everyone involved is useful in his own way and does his own thing only. There is no leadership in any smuggling rings. Leadership will not emerge because the work involved is so specialized".
Over the years, smuggling has evolved into a sophisticated service industry, with certain routes and enclaves used by smugglers becoming practically institutionalized; for example: from Mexico and Central America to the United States, from West Asia through Greece and Turkey to Western Europe, and within East and Southeast Asia. Responsible for the flourishing business of people smuggling are a combination of interacting factors, from weak legislation and lax border controls to corrupt officials and the power of organized crime.
More specifically, below are three main technical differences between smuggling and trafficking, which are as follows:
- Consent - trafficking victims are those who have been subjected to coercive, deceptive, or abusive action by traffickers. These victims either never consented, or if they did, their initial consent is rendered meaningless by the subsequent actions of the traffickers.
- Exploitation - smuggling operations and interaction between smuggler and customer usually terminate upon payment and arrival at destination; trafficking victims, on the other hand, are often involved in a cycle of ongoing exploitation.
- Source of Profits - primary profits from smuggling operations are derived from transportation and facilitation of illegal entry or stay in another country, whereas trafficking operations profit largely from the exploitation of victims.
.
arista
23-10-2019, 12:46 PM
Honestly (very grim thought) it makes me wonder how many "smuggling" gangs out there even bother making the journey. I would imagine there are groups out there taking people's money, loading them into a truck and driving them straight to a hole in the ground.
The whole situation is just abysmal.
Its was reported
the Massive Lorry went to Dublin
by sea, then to Wales
then to Essex.
So many hours
sealed in that Lorry.
Oliver_W
23-10-2019, 02:05 PM
"Murder"? Surely it's more likely they were just stowaways who didn't survive the journey?
arista
23-10-2019, 02:06 PM
"Murder"? Surely it's more likely they were just stowaways who didn't survive the journey?
The Police seem to have other evidence
soon to come out.
Tom4784
23-10-2019, 02:21 PM
Horrific. I can't imagine it being an accident if the driver's been charged with murder.
Oliver_W
23-10-2019, 02:21 PM
Evidently we need to make it so illegals can't force their way into vehicles heading this way, so as to preserve their lives.
RIP to them
Kizzy
23-10-2019, 02:23 PM
I think it would have been quick, in a metal box they wouldve run out if oxygen :( awful thing to happen I really hope the driver wasn't aware they were stowing away.
Niamh.
23-10-2019, 02:23 PM
"Murder"? Surely it's more likely they were just stowaways who didn't survive the journey?
I seriously doubt you'd get 39 stoways in your truck without knowing about it
Tom4784
23-10-2019, 02:24 PM
Evidently we need to make it so illegals can't force their way into vehicles heading this way, so as to preserve their lives.
RIP to them
It's a bit gross to frame this story like that.
If they were stowaways on a randomer's truck then the driver wouldn't have been arrested for murder. It's very grim to use this story to push an agenda that places blame on the victims themselves.
Evidently we need to make it so illegals can't force their way into vehicles heading this way, so as to preserve their lives.
RIP to them
Drivers will collect a lot of cash for sneaking in illegal immigrants
Drivers have a responsibility for ensuring they have no illegals on board. It's a big fine otherwise. It's easy enough for a driver to check the integrity of their vehicle
Cherie
23-10-2019, 02:59 PM
Hard to understand how the driver of the lorry wouldn't have known the unit was sealed airtight
...there is one report saying it was a ‘chiller lorry’ with an inside temperature of minus 25 degrees...
Cherie
23-10-2019, 03:33 PM
...there is one report saying it was a ‘chiller lorry’ with an inside temperature of minus 25 degrees...
If that is the case though, what did the driver think he was going to do with guaranteed 39 dead bodies, I think maybe the chiller bit was off but he didn't factor in that they would run out of air or something :shrug: which is very odd but I cant imagine that he loaded up 39 took the cash and then thought he would wing it with 39 bodies at the other end
The lorry went straight from Zeebrugge to Purfleet, it did not go via Ireland
Twosugars
23-10-2019, 03:40 PM
A 25-year-old driver from Northern Ireland was arrested on suspicion of murder.
Local police and community sources told the Guardian that the arrested man was believed to be Mo Robinson, from Portadown, County Armagh. Essex police declined to comment.
Twosugars
23-10-2019, 03:43 PM
On Wednesday afternoon the Bulgarian ministry of foreign affairs said the truck was registered in the coastal town of Varna. It was registered under the name of a company owned by a female Irish citizen, Reuters reported.
The victims, found at the Waterglade industrial park in Grays, were all adults apart from one teenager, Essex police said.
Cherie
23-10-2019, 03:44 PM
Not that keen on naming anyone without confirmation from the police if I am honest
arista
23-10-2019, 03:44 PM
A 25-year-old driver from Northern Ireland was arrested on suspicion of murder.
Local police and community sources told the Guardian that the arrested man was believed to be Mo Robinson, from Portadown, County Armagh. Essex police declined to comment.
https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/skynews-mo-robinson-essex-lorry_4813647.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191023160424
The Evil Driver , making Extra Cash
Twosugars
23-10-2019, 03:50 PM
Dont know about evil Arista. But certainly stupid and greedy.
Wonder if it was his first time or there was a regular shuttle service going on from Bulgaria.
It is close to Turkey and the refugee route from the middle east
Cherie
23-10-2019, 03:50 PM
https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/skynews-mo-robinson-essex-lorry_4813647.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191023160424
The Evil Driver , making Extra Cash
:nono: the police have just asked people not to speculate as to his identity, he might be completely innocent apart from not doing his job very well
arista
23-10-2019, 04:26 PM
:nono: the police have just asked people not to speculate as to his identity, he might be completely innocent apart from not doing his job very well
Sod The Police
they work Slow
arista
23-10-2019, 06:03 PM
Ch4HD news just confirmed it is a Refrigerated Lorry.
arista
23-10-2019, 06:30 PM
https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/skynews-lorry-container-essex_4813716.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191023172115
[The lorry and its container were
removed from the scene in Essex]
So sad all those lives lost :/
The lorry driver has been released without charge, but due to the media everyone now thinks hes a murderer, mud sticks.
Livia
23-10-2019, 08:22 PM
I was surprised that he was arrested on suspicion of murder. Murder means he intended for them to die, that it was pre-meditated. And now they've released him? After his name and photo's been published everywhere. Just look at the conclusions reached in this thread.
First they said it came in via Hollyhead, then they thought it came across the channel from Belgium... it was registered in Bulgaria two years ago and hasn't been in that country since.
It's as mysterious as it is horrific.
Jessica.
23-10-2019, 08:31 PM
I am so shocked and saddened by this story. I looked into it and it seems that the container was shipped over but not with the lorry, it was only attached to the lorry when it was already in the UK, is that right? Then the deaths would have been caused by whoever shipped it over?
People are making jokes/flaming in the comments of Mo's instagram pictures, it's awful that his name and social media were posted by news companies if he is innocent of any crimes.
Kizzy
23-10-2019, 08:40 PM
I find it odd why people are so shocked by this, but loads of 'economic migrants' and their children die regularly from drowning crossing to the UK in dingies, which are equally horrific and tragic deaths... and there just isn't the same reaction imo.
I find it odd why people are so shocked by this, but loads of 'economic migrants' and their children die regularly from drowning crossing to the UK in dingies, which are equally horrific and tragic deaths... and there just isn't the same reaction imo.
How many have died crossing the channel in dinghies?
I suspect what happened was this guy was probably offered a significant amount of money to pick up a container 'no questions asked'..
Jessica.
23-10-2019, 08:51 PM
I find it odd why people are so shocked by this, but loads of 'economic migrants' and their children die regularly from drowning crossing to the UK in dingies, which are equally horrific and tragic deaths... and there just isn't the same reaction imo.
I am horrified by all deaths caused by there not being an easy legal way for desperate people to get out of dangerous countries. It hasn't been established whether or not the people in the lorry were migrants though. They could have been in there against their will.
Cherie
23-10-2019, 09:08 PM
Mo will be suing I expect and good luck to him, bad enough that he would have been the first to find the bodies but to be inaccurately named by the media as well as his address given out
Mo will be suing I expect and good luck to him, bad enough that he would have been the first to find the bodies but to be inaccurately named by the media as well as his address given out
He's still being questioned and his home is being searched, I expect suing will be the least of his worries..
Cherie
23-10-2019, 09:15 PM
He's still being questioned and his home is being searched, I expect suing will be the least of his worries..
Didn't Josy say he was released without charge? I haven't seen the news yet, so I am going by Tibb fake news :hmph:
Mo the patsy...at least he had the decency to phone the authorities when he found out what he was carrying.
But due to public outcry he will be punished severely...poor ****.
Cherie
23-10-2019, 09:20 PM
I suspect what happened was this guy was probably offered a significant amount of money to pick up a container 'no questions asked'..
maybe but he obviously checked the back and phoned for an ambulance straight off
Livia
23-10-2019, 09:23 PM
maybe but he obviously checked the back and phoned for an ambulance straight off
It said on the News that he picked up a sealed container with his tractor unit. And some of his lorry driver mates said that it wasn't unusual for them to come to England and pick up a cargo.
Where it was found is a sleeping point for drivers..I know because my footsteps passed that very spot every morning for 4 years.
arista
23-10-2019, 10:38 PM
[The Bulgarian ministry of foreign affairs
said the Scania truck was
registered in Varna,
on the east coast of the country,
under the name of a company owned
by an Irish citizen.
Police said it was "highly unlikely"
the victims were Bulgarians, the ministry added.]
arista
23-10-2019, 10:41 PM
https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/skynews-papers-newspapers_4814058.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191023220449
arista
23-10-2019, 10:43 PM
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/dJCBb1ylF-qtLBs7csBGYQ/https/media.fyre.co/QrmDxi2sQ4aipnbp9zcv_sun.JPG
Cherie
23-10-2019, 10:46 PM
Typical Sun headline, it wasn’t his truck was it :bored:
arista
23-10-2019, 10:48 PM
Typical Sun headline, it wasn’t his truck was it :bored:
He was the Driver
Bulgaria to Essex
Twosugars
23-10-2019, 10:50 PM
On second thoughts, it is strange papers just went ahead publishing his name just like that. The investigation has just begun. And why the initial charge was murder not manslaughter?
Odd.
Livia
23-10-2019, 10:55 PM
He was the Driver
Bulgaria to Essex
He collected the container from Purfleet.
Typical Sun headline, have they learned nothing?
arista
23-10-2019, 10:57 PM
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/363C/production/_109348831_thetimes.jpg
arista
23-10-2019, 10:57 PM
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/F478/production/_109348526_18e52de8-cb3a-4a8f-b2b8-a4f79d4eb5ca.jpg
arista
23-10-2019, 10:59 PM
He collected the container from Purfleet.
Typical Sun headline, have they learned nothing?
Yes Purfleet
to Essex
Thank You for Correcting me
Livia
23-10-2019, 11:02 PM
Yes Purfleet
to Essex
Thank You for Correcting me
You're welcome, arista. Actually Purfleet is in Essex.
arista
23-10-2019, 11:07 PM
You're welcome, arista. Actually Purfleet is in Essex.
Yes of course
well known zone
...the face of news media is becoming similar to the face of social media and it’s so potentially damaging to lives...it’s easy to connect the small amount of information to know who the driver was ...but that’s all that appears to be known...other than he’s giving whatever information he has to the police...which he obviously would...the police have said that the investigations will be very lengthy, that there is so much that is unknown atm...so it seems really bizarre that a murder charge is already being stated...we don’t even know if those poor people were living when their bodies entered the container...we barely know anything at all...there will be extensive investigations before even the police know anything...
...I’m not confident that any/all of those people will be able to be identified and their families informed, which is incredibly sad...
...on a separate note, it’s made me think also of those who do survive a journey in a container such as this...and as well as dehydration and physical issues resulting from the journey conditions...the emotional/psychological issues must quite often be unthinkable as well...all terrible sad...
...the emotional support needed for the emergency services attending as well.../...horrendous for them...:sad:..
arista
24-10-2019, 10:06 AM
SkyNewsHD
just reported the dead are
Chinese Nationals
Cherie
24-10-2019, 10:59 AM
I don't think anyone was expecting it to be Chinese Nationals
Niamh.
24-10-2019, 11:17 AM
I don't think anyone was expecting it to be Chinese Nationals
No, that is surprising
Nicky91
24-10-2019, 11:23 AM
i'd say if the driver is indeed guilty of murder, it would be ''multiple homicide'' and i guess for multiple homicides at least in america some get life sentences in prison
Toy Soldier
24-10-2019, 11:25 AM
I don't think anyone was expecting it to be Chinese Nationals
The political situation (Hong Kong's resistance) is going to make this much, much more common in the coming years. China has thus far done a very good job of keeping its main population "patriotic" and out of the loop, but the news about Hong Kong is spreading in China even with the Great Firewall in place. There are 1.4 billion people in china... if even 0.1% of them were to want to leave, that's well over a million people. Staggering numbers really.
Currently, I'm actually very surprised there aren't SIGNIFICANTLY more refugees coming in from Hong Kong. Actually, do we know if these "Chinese nationals" are actually from Hong Kong rather than "mainland" China?
Toy Soldier
24-10-2019, 11:29 AM
Also I would add, I think Britain should be offering asylum to people from Hong Kong without reservation. A huge number of Hong Kong citizens did not want to leave British rule. I honestly think if the eyes of the world weren't on them at the moment, there would have been an unprecedented violence by now.
arista
24-10-2019, 12:00 PM
They were found Frozen to Death
at -25.
‘In 2000, 58 Chinese migrants were found suffocated to death in a lorry at Dover. In 2015, the bodies of 71 people were found in an abandoned lorry on an Austrian motorway. Police suspected the vehicle was part of a Bulgarian-Hungarian human trafficking operation’
Livia
24-10-2019, 12:39 PM
Also I would add, I think Britain should be offering asylum to people from Hong Kong without reservation. A huge number of Hong Kong citizens did not want to leave British rule. I honestly think if the eyes of the world weren't on them at the moment, there would have been an unprecedented violence by now.
I agree. We take people from countries with no connection to our own it's only right we should offer them asylum, if that's what they want.
Toy Soldier
24-10-2019, 12:44 PM
I agree. We take people from countries with no connection to our own it's only right we should offer them asylum, if that's what they want.
The saddest part is, I think HK people are proud of and love Hong Kong and what they really want is to be able to resist direct Chinese rule and continue as they are... and they are trying... but I just don't know how long they can possibly keep it up with China being so huge.
Livia
24-10-2019, 12:48 PM
The saddest part is, I think HK people are proud of and love Hong Kong and what they really want is to be able to resist direct Chinese rule and continue as they are... and they are trying... but I just don't know how long they can possibly keep it up with China being so huge.
Yes, I agree with that. And China with its record on Human Rights being questionable at best and ****ing appalling at worst. I'm surprised it's taken this long, tbh...
Cherie
24-10-2019, 12:54 PM
I agree. We take people from countries with no connection to our own it's only right we should offer them asylum, if that's what they want.
yes 100 per cent
what I cant get my head around is the guy who picked up the container, where was he taking it, they were in the UK so you would have thought that was their destination and obviously if they were alive they would have got off at that point, where was he going with the container ...and why was it picked up at Purfleet
Toy Soldier
24-10-2019, 12:58 PM
Yes, I agree with that. And China with its record on Human Rights being questionable at best and ****ing appalling at worst. I'm surprised it's taken this long, tbh...
Of all places in China, Hong Kong has the most active links to the outside world - huge numbers of families there have relatives living all over the world, so I think they would find it much harder to cover up the specifics "than usual". Sadly the world is willing to overlook a lot, but an outright massacre would make it very hard for governments not to start sanctioning China heavily and that would be a disaster for them economically.
Livia
24-10-2019, 01:00 PM
Of all places in China, Hong Kong has the most active links to the outside world - huge numbers of families there have relatives living all over the world, so I think they would find it much harder to cover up the specifics "than usual". Sadly the world is willing to overlook a lot, but an outright massacre would make it very hard for governments not to start sanctioning China heavily and that would be a disaster for them economically.
I'm doing a hell of a lot of agreeing with you today, TS.
Jessica.
24-10-2019, 01:24 PM
They froze to death? That is horrible. :sad: I really hope the authorities can find anyone even partially responsible. There has to be a paper trail.
arista
24-10-2019, 02:18 PM
Channel 4 postpones reality show
Smuggled after 39 bodies found in Essex lorry
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/23/channel-4-postpones-smuggled-reality-show-schedule-39-bodies-found-essex-lorry-10970949/?ito=cbshare
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/
It was originally scheduled for Monday
and has been delayed, not cancelled.
Denver
24-10-2019, 08:06 PM
It's being reported they were dead for up to 12 hours before reaching the UK and with this driver picking up the trailer from the UK surely they cant go ahead with charging him with murder?
Marsh.
24-10-2019, 09:12 PM
That guy's face being plastered all over the front pages. :umm2:
I bet the sicko morons on the Internet are delighted that the fact it's chinese people have opened up another 50 or so memes they can use...
This angers me, if this was British people the country would be in mourning...but no..I switch my tv on and it's still the same faces laughing about brexit.
Im ashamed to say that I forgot about that bigger tragedy when the same thing happened a good few years back.
What on earth have we become! !
arista
25-10-2019, 11:39 AM
Police has just said
2 more arrests on this case.
Toy Soldier
25-10-2019, 12:23 PM
I bet the sicko morons on the Internet are delighted that the fact it's chinese people have opened up another 50 or so memes they can use...
From what I've seen, "The Internet" is actually very supportive of Hong Kong's struggle at the moment. You're right about the mainstream news though.
arista
25-10-2019, 01:32 PM
More news
Vietnamese family payed £30,000
1 member died in that lorry
a text sent saying they were suffocating on Tuesday
They contacted BBCnews
asked them to forward to Police.
Cherie
25-10-2019, 01:43 PM
More news
Vietnamese family payed £30,000
3 members died in that lorry
a text sent saying they were suffocating on Tuesday
They contacted BBCnews
asked them to forward to Police.
Omg
The Slim Reaper
25-10-2019, 01:44 PM
more news
vietnamese family payed £30,000
3 members died in that lorry
a text sent saying they were suffocating on tuesday
they contacted bbcnews
asked them to forward to police.
1187724525728866304
Cherie
25-10-2019, 02:15 PM
1187724525728866304
Heart breaking
arista
25-10-2019, 02:56 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/25/14/article-7613755-20181150-401_964x543.jpg
arista
25-10-2019, 02:59 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/25/15/20157930-7613755-The_map_above_shows_the_perilous_5_000_mile_journe y_the_39_migra-a-78_1572012272384.jpg
[The map above shows the perilous 5,000
mile journey the 39 migrants would have taken
to get to the UK having paid 'snakehead'
gangsters £20,000 for the privilege]
arista
25-10-2019, 04:30 PM
They are now Reporting up to 6 Vietnamese
were sadly inside the truck,
All media.
arista
25-10-2019, 05:08 PM
Police have now arrested a 4th person
who is from Northern Ireland.
Police say please phone in any info
if anyone has any.
More news
Vietnamese family payed £30,000
1 member died in that lorry
a text sent saying they were suffocating on Tuesday
They contacted BBCnews
asked them to forward to Police.
1187724525728866304
Really wish I never saw this. Horrified.
hijaxers
25-10-2019, 05:29 PM
Heart breaking
It really is £30 grand to suffocate in a truck !! I can't begin to think about the the loss for all the familes, all we can hope is at least they are all going to be identified eventually - although families seem to be coming forward.
UserSince2005
25-10-2019, 05:32 PM
the families are getting refunds from the smugglers it just said on the news. what the **** is this ****.
...so now it’s believed that a number of the dead were from Vietnam, not China...
And VietHome, an organisation that represents the Vietnamese community in the UK said it had received photos of nearly 20 people reported missing, since the lorry was discovered.
The group said it began to receive reports of missing people on Wednesday. Those who have disappeared were aged between 15 and 45, it said.
The BBC spoke to the brother of Pham Thi Tra My, 26, who has not been heard from since she sent text messages on Tuesday saying she could not breathe.
"We are asking the British police to help investigate so that my sister can be returned to the family," he said.
Cherie
26-10-2019, 11:41 AM
I read this morning that the text that was sent to the family was sent while the container was in Essex, if that's true, the guy who picked up the lorry must have inadvertently switched on the freezer or something :shrug:
arista
26-10-2019, 12:12 PM
I read this morning that the text that was sent to the family was sent while the container was in Essex, if that's true, the guy who picked up the lorry must have inadvertently switched on the freezer or something :shrug:
Freezer to keep Veg or something fresh
yes - could be also automatic on.
Tragic.
Strictly Jake
26-10-2019, 12:18 PM
So were their deaths intentional by the suspects? Also what were they planning on doing with these people?
Denver
26-10-2019, 12:31 PM
So were their deaths intentional by the suspects? Also what were they planning on doing with these people?
I dont think they were intentional but at the same time i dont think they cared what happened, its hard to prove they were being smuggled and who by, i guess they will swear by that they hide themselves their
arista
26-10-2019, 01:12 PM
So were their deaths intentional by the suspects? Also what were they planning on doing with these people?
No its a error.
These Asia Snakegangs
bring over somer workers for
Illegal Black market industry
and others may have had a UK location
to go to.
arista
26-10-2019, 03:33 PM
A 5th Arrest
a Man in his 20's arrested in Dublin today
https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/2048x1152/skynews-lorry-deaths-essex_4816625.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191026151741
Anna Bui Thi Nhung, Nguyen Dinh Tu and Tra My, all from Vietnam, are believed to be among those in the lorry
Jessica.
26-10-2019, 04:19 PM
So young. :sad: I have been thinking about these people a lot since this story came out.
Denver
26-10-2019, 04:24 PM
This guy has been charged with 39 count of manslaughter and conspiracy to traffic
So young. :sad: I have been thinking about these people a lot since this story came out.
..I know, it’s hard to not think about them, it’s so incredibly sad and so incredibly wrong...many were barely more than children with their families hopes of a new world and a new life for them...:sad:..
Cherie
26-10-2019, 04:52 PM
There needs to be so much more education in these countries about what these young people are being sent to, more often than not it is not the land of milk and honey that is promised but a life of slavery or prostitution and to pay handsomely for the privilege just adds to the horror of it
https://www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/child-trafficking/
Traffickers often groom children, families and communities to gain their trust. They may also threaten families with violence or threats. Traffickers often promise children and families that they'll have a better future elsewhere.
Trafficking is also an economic crime. Traffickers may ask families for money for providing documents or transport and they'll make a profit from money a child "earns" through exploitation, forced labour or crime. They'll often be told this money is to pay off a debt they or their family "owe" to the traffickers.
Denver
26-10-2019, 04:54 PM
There needs to be so much more education in these countries about what these young people are being sent to, more often than not it is not the land of milk and honey that is promised but a life of slavery or prostitution and to pay handsomely for the privilege just adds to the horror of it
https://www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/child-trafficking/
The problem is when you live in poverty and in desperate need for money or a better life it is easy to be sold a fake dream, people are gullible when at their most vulnerable and that's how the traffickers take advantage
arista
26-10-2019, 04:54 PM
Yes Young
going for a new life in England
it must be terrible if any parents funded this illegal journey of death,
Cherie
26-10-2019, 04:56 PM
The problem is when you live in poverty and in desperate need for money or a better life it is easy to be sold a fake dream, people are gullible when at their most vulnerable and that's how the traffickers take advantage
Yes I appreciate that but that is where education comes in, I hope this case as it seems to be getting a lot of worldwide attention will highlight the issues that they are not coming to a better life, but probably worse that what they left behind
arista
26-10-2019, 05:01 PM
this guy has been charged with 39 count of manslaughter and conspiracy to traffic
1188138046442606594
Container deaths: Families say three lorries carrying more than 100 people were travelling to UK
The container in which 39 people were found dead was part of a convoy of three lorries, relatives of the suspected victims say.
They believe that over 100 migrants were being brought to the UK on the lorries.
Two of the vehicles are thought to have completed their trips but the third, which was carrying the deceased victims, was delayed at an unknown location.
The eventual destinations of the two other containers are not known.
Sky News cannot independently verify the accounts.
A priest in the town where many of the victims are thought to have come from also said he heard similar accounts from family members.
Father Anthony Dang Huu Nam, a Catholic priest from Vietnam's Nghe An province, said he was aware of more than 100 people who were travelling to "a new life".
"A few families confirmed the deaths of their relatives who are the victims of this tragic journey," he said.
The priest earlier said he believed most of the victims were from neighbouring impoverished provinces in Vietnam.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/container-deaths-families-three-lorries-were-travelling-uk-130000211.html
Denver
26-10-2019, 05:15 PM
Yes I appreciate that but that is where education comes in, I hope this case as it seems to be getting a lot of worldwide attention will highlight the issues that they are not coming to a better life, but probably worse that what they left behind
But people in poverty dont get access to good education or sometimes education at all, education isnt a right in every country
Cherie
26-10-2019, 05:22 PM
But people in poverty dont get access to good education or sometimes education at all, education isnt a right in every country
okay Adam so we should just leave it at that? There are many ways of educating people outside of the school system you know!
Denver
26-10-2019, 05:29 PM
okay Adam so we should just leave it at that? There are many ways of educating people outside of the school system you know!
Yes but you need money which some places dont have, not everyone has the same privileged lives of us in the west, they wont get easy access to internet, libraries, schools or whatever they need, some even live in remote villages where they have literally nothing ao to answer your question no it's not easy to educate the people on what is good or bad for them especially when someone is selling them the perfect dream.
It's time to take of the rose colour glasses and realise life is the same for people in the poorest parts of the world.
arista
26-10-2019, 05:55 PM
Ch4HD News had a report from Vietnam
they are now very poor
it showed a ground map they fly via Moscow
through Poland and Germany
then France , then UK.
One Vietnam person
in a French camp would not show his face
he said he has been put on trucks to UK but
caught 3 times.
So he is still trying to break into UK,
They do not pay as much.
Cherie
26-10-2019, 06:53 PM
Yes but you need money which some places dont have, not everyone has the same privileged lives of us in the west, they wont get easy access to internet, libraries, schools or whatever they need, some even live in remote villages where they have literally nothing ao to answer your question no it's not easy to educate the people on what is good or bad for them especially when someone is selling them the perfect dream.
It's time to take of the rose colour glasses and realise life is the same for people in the poorest parts of the world.
I’ve no idea what point you are trying to make, they are getting the money to pay the traffickers yet you appear to be saying we shouldn’t bother even trying to get the message across as to what they are sending their family members to, and let them carry out as they were ...btw the traffikers are getting their message through so...
I am assuming to myself that this is the work of either ex ira members or uda members, or any affiliated groups to neither side.
they will have moved on from importing drugs, seen the quicker buck in people trafficking and started making a kill years ago.
I doubt we will see a public enquiry into this tragedy as the names that may pop up shall be far to embarrassing for the uk.
hence the patsy we have....
Cherie
29-10-2019, 08:29 PM
I am assuming to myself that this is the work of either ex ira members or uda members, or any affiliated groups to neither side.
they will have moved on from importing drugs, seen the quicker buck in people trafficking and started making a kill years ago.
I doubt we will see a public enquiry into this tragedy as the names that may pop up shall be far to embarrassing for the uk.
hence the patsy we have....
agree, what has never come out is how they found the bodies or who alerted the ambulance service, strange!
agree, what has never come out is how they found the bodies or who alerted the ambulance service, strange!
if it's basically a whistle blower they will want that kept quiet until they get to the top of the tree of those involved. It could also be very dangerous for the person who informed .... these are not nice people.
Cherie
30-10-2019, 06:14 AM
if it's basically a whistle blower they will want that kept quiet until they get to the top of the tree of those involved. It could also be very dangerous for the person who informed .... these are not nice people.
Someone must have opened the container before it was hitched up and driven off in that case, unless it’s sheer coincidence they opened the one container out of three which allegedly crossed where the occupants were dead
arista
30-10-2019, 07:11 PM
Ch4HD News report
sent their reporter to Vietnam
shocking, so many are still saying they want to come to the UK
even though they do not know what it will be like
they say they can earn money....................
A 23-year-old man been charged in connection with the deaths of 39 people in a lorry trailer in Essex.
Eamon Harrison appeared in court in Dublin after being detained on a European Arrest Warrant and extradition proceedings have been launched.
It comes as Essex police made a direct appeal to two other suspects.
Officers said they had spoken to one of the men, Ronan Hughes, 40, by phone. He is wanted along with his brother, 34-year-old Christopher Hughes, on suspicion of manslaughter and human trafficking.
https://news.sky.com/story/lorry-deaths-hand-yourselves-in-police-tell-suspects-11850961
arista
01-11-2019, 03:57 PM
Yes good another Charged
in Dublin.
Evil Gang
Cherie
08-11-2019, 04:04 PM
All 39 people who died in the back of a lorry in Essex have now been named.
The bodies of the migrants were discovered in a container shipped from Zeebrugge in Belgium to the UK on October 23.
Police have now released the names and ages of the victims - as well as where they were from.
The dead include three children - two aged 15 and another was 17.
Assistant Chief Constable at Essex Police, Tim Smith, has told how challenging identifying the bodies and then having to deliver the devastating news to their families.
He said: “This was an incredibly important process and our team has been working hard to bring answers to worried families who fear their loved one may be among those whose tragic journey ended on our shores.
“Our priority has been to identify the victims, to preserve the dignity of those who have died and to support the victims’ friends and families.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/three-children-among-lorry-dead-as-all-39-victims-named/ar-BBWteSg?ocid=spartanntp
arista
08-11-2019, 04:18 PM
Yes sad deaths
all from Vietnam
Evil Irish Driver
should have checked on them all.
...As sad as it is, it’s good that all of the poor people who died in that lorry, were able to be identified...and their families are able to grieve...:sad:...there have also been arrests in Vietnam, and hopefully all who have responsibility will be held accountable ...
Denver
25-11-2019, 11:46 AM
The driver has admitted to plotting to assist illegal immigration
Jessica.
25-11-2019, 12:48 PM
The driver has admitted to plotting to assist illegal immigration
Horrific, I'm glad he'll be off the streets though.
Cherie
25-11-2019, 12:56 PM
Horrific, I'm glad he'll be off the streets though.
He is way down the chain, and is replaceable I’m sure
Crimson Dynamo
25-11-2019, 12:58 PM
i wonder how many are smuggled in each day?
Denver
27-05-2020, 01:36 PM
26 people have been arrested in France and Belgium in connection to this
arista
27-05-2020, 01:41 PM
26 people have been arrested in France and Belgium in connection to this
Good
Evil Gang
hijaxers
27-05-2020, 02:04 PM
Good
Evil Gang
Just very sad all those people had to die in order for them to be caught.
Essex lorry deaths: Driver told to give migrants 'air quickly' but not to let them out, trial hears...
A lorry driver was told to give migrants “air quickly” but not to let them out during a 12-hour journey where they suffocated to death, a court has heard.
Lorry driver Maurice Robinson, received a message from his boss to give the Vietnamese nationals, sealed inside the pitch-black refrigerated unit “air quickly, but don't let them out", jurors were told.
With no signal in the container that had risen to a temperature of 38.5C, one of the victims - a 28-year-old woman - wrote a text message that was never sent, saying: "Maybe going to die in the container, can't breathe any more dear."
Lorry driver Eamonn Harrison and Gheorghe Nica are on trial at the Old Bailey accused of the manslaughter of the 39 migrants who were found dead after the lorry arrived in Purfleet, Essex, in October last year.
The pair are also accused of being part of a people-smuggling conspiracy with another lorry driver, Christopher Kennedy, and Valentin Calota.
Opening their Old Bailey trial, Bill Emlyn Jones said the people-smuggling team had operated successful runs before the one in October last year that went "dreadfully wrong".
He told jurors: "Obviously, any time you fill an airtight container with a large number of people, where they will be left for hours and hours, with no means of escape and no means of communication with the outside world - well, it is fraught with danger."
Jurors were told the cost of being smuggled across the English Channel in the back of a lorry was some £10,000 per person.
...full article...
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/essex-lorry-deaths-driver-told-180237367.html
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