Tuesday 19th Nov 8PM ITV1HD Live PM Debate Boris Johnson & Jermey Corbyn

[arista]

The First TV debate has been agreed by ITV

ITV Press Centre has confirmed

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Good just 2 in the Live Debate
I bet the LibDems will get Angry.
(she has said its a Stitch up)


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[arista]

ITV at the Court today
have said if the LibDems Win their Case
they will Pull the Live show

[arista]

4:33PM
Great News The High Court
has Ruled the LibDems and SNP
are not permitted on this live 8PM Debate tomorrow

https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-tv-leaders-debate-lib-dems-and-snp-lose-battle-to-join-itv-programme-11864272


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[Cherie]

This is going to be useless, neither party have manifestos out, though at least Corbyn will be able to ask Johnson why he is reneging on cutting corporation tax

[arista]

This is going to be useless, neither party have manifestos out, though at least Corbyn will be able to ask Johnson why he is reneging on cutting corporation tax

Labour's Manifesto is out this Thursday


Brexit Party Contract is out on Friday

[Cherie]

Labour's Manifesto is out this Thursday


Brexit Party Contract is out on Friday

so what are they going to be talking about? Brexit :skull:

useless

[Kazanne]

This is going to be useless, neither party have manifestos out, though at least Corbyn will be able to ask Johnson why he is reneging on cutting corporation tax

I think hes just answered that on the news Cherie, from what I gathered he wants to put more money to the NHS,but I only caught a bit of it so I might not have it quite right.

[Livia]

There will probably be something excellent on another channel. Actually, something average would do...

[smudgie]

There will probably be something excellent on another channel. Actually, something average would do...

Blank screen will do.
Time for some meditation.

[arista]

Corbyn
starts this off.

Johnson is 2nd.

Corbyn has gone to a Barber.

[The Slim Reaper]

Have a feeling that Aaron Banks might come up tonight, if the fact his dm's have just leaked is anything to go by!

[Kizzy]

Dammit I wanted Corbyn to go 2nd then he could challenge every lie.

[arista]

Dammit I wanted Corbyn to go 2nd then he could challenge every lie.


The 2 Leaders drew lots

Maybe the Questions from the Public
will pin Johnson PM down.

[arista]

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Tonight
is a First,


Last time back in 2010
it was 3
Nick Clegg
it went well,
but Nick took over.


Jeremy Corbyn
just arrived and went Live (Ch5HD news)
outside Manchester ITV studios.
The Reporter said Boris Johnson
is going to say you are having 2 Referendums.
Corbyn said "he is Wrong"

[Cherie]

Looks like knife crime is going to take centre stage, and so it should, they must be following me on TiBB :hehe:

[arista]

Looks like knife crime is going to take centre stage, and so it should, they must be following me on TiBB :hehe:


Yes a Real UK Problem.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes a Real UK Problem.

Scotland had a similar knife crime rate to London a few years back, and they invested in youth services and clubs, which reduced the crime massively. The tories are closing youth clubs at a historic rate in the last 9 years.

But **** it, I believe the daily mail, telegraph, and the suns lies about Corbyn, so let's call it a draw.

[The Slim Reaper]

This is the real danger; no one calling out all the tory lies, whilst peddling more corbyn lies.

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[arista]

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Its up to Corbyn
you over eager bunch!

[arista]

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Thank You TV producer Rav.

[LaLaLand]

Looking forward to this. Just hoping BoJo doesn't try his comedy act and "masking" buffoonery as usual, very frustrating in what should be a serious debate.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD reports Johnson PM is due to arrive in around
in around 10mins.

[Zizu]

What’s the point !?

They will just take in turn to dodge /deflect any questions and them promise ( basically lie ) the earth ..


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[Zizu]

Looking forward to this. Just hoping BoJo doesn't try his comedy act and "masking" buffoonery as usual, very frustrating in what should be a serious debate.



The buffoonery is an act of course, he’s a surprisingly intelligent guy ..


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[arista]

Johnson PM has arrived.
He Drove right into a Bay,

Due to a Loud Crowd
outside the ITV Media Centre
in Salford.

[arista]

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[Grim Reaper]

This time the High Court made the right decision.. back off Swinson you weren't invited! Nobody likes having someone foist upon them, it's like being forced to invite a relatives' foul kid to your Xmas dinner!
Besides looks like David Icke was right all along..

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[arista]

On ITV1HD now

Also on LBC

[Beso]

Corbyn and his squint specs looks like me looking at tibb.

[Beso]

This argument about the NHS. .all it sounds like to me is that Boris has made a new post brexit deal with America to provide us with the medicine the country may need after we leave and perhaps have problems obtaining it from our bitter European cousins.

[LaLaLand]

Boris really got annoyed by those US documents! Proper rattled him.

[arista]

Take Control Julia

[Beso]

Boris really got annoyed by those US documents! Proper rattled him.

Like I mentioned. .they will be about deals with the UK and the USA for the medicine our NHS needs after the eu takes the huff with us



Boris said...the NHS is not up for sale..::nono:

[Beso]

Boris is kicking jezzas scrawny ass.

[Oliver_W]

They're both a bit cringey. Boris keeps turning every answer into "WHAT ABOUT LABOUR" while Corbyn keeps talking about his fictional friends :joker:

[Beso]

They're both a bit cringey. Boris keeps turning every answer into "WHAT ABOUT LABOUR" while Corbyn keeps talking about his fictional friends :joker:

His friend that he couldn't even get shoved to the front of the line for her breast cancer.


His political clout is outstanding.:bawling:

[Beso]

I just shivered..

[Beso]

He should have said a big ****

[LaLaLand]

The man in the audience moaning “Oh here we go” when Corbyn mentioned climate change and poverty. Disgusting what this country has become in parts.

Jezza >>>>

And FYI Corbyn’s “friend”’s video is on Twitter for all to see.

[Beso]

LlJesus...a first in British politics on itv...and the bloke who has been asked to stay out of snd is one of 2 posting about it

Yes I do have a life as well.

[arista]

Not Long Enough

[Denver]

Did this dumb bitch really say she will listen to what the people want but will cancel brexit on day 1?

[Kizzy]

At work so couldn't watch but saw the snap verdict. .. Corbyn had documented proof there are plans to flog the NHS, and still boris slides round the confrontation! Dear me. Mind you if the audience just roll their eyes when politicians are voicing concerns about the environment and poverty what's the point?
Who was this audience, rent a Tory on loan from question time?

[Beso]

Sturgeon holding her mirror to a mirror.

[Beso]

At work so couldn't watch but saw the snap verdict. .. Corbyn had documented proof there are plans to flog the NHS, and still boris slides round the confrontation! Dear me. Mind you if the audience just roll their eyes when politicians are voicing concerns about the environment and poverty what's the point?
Who was this audience, rent a Tory on loan from question time?



False...he held up a document with banked out words that have nothing to do with him.

[Kizzy]

False...he held up a document with banked out words that have nothing to do with him.

That was a redacted freedom of information request.. it has everything to do with him.

[bots]

nobody's opinion would be changed by the head to head. As Corbyn had the most to gain, and Boris the most to lose, i would think Boris would say good job done.

[arista]

nobody's opinion would be changed by the head to head. As Corbyn had the most to gain, and Boris the most to lose, i would think Boris would say good job done.



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[Cherie]

I thought it was a decent debate, no outright winner, nice touch with the handshake and the Christmas gift question so it wasn't all grim attacking each other.

The audience were balanced as well

[Ammi]

....with consideration of the underdog Corbyn is, I would say that neck and neck is a pretty good result for him...

[Kazanne]

The NHS is being used as a beating stick by Corbyn and the Labour party as both Johnson and Trump have said its off the table,Corbyn is just clinging to the NHS as it is so beloved by the UK,we know they all tell porkies but no way would he lie about selling the NHS as his political career would be over, its as boring as the "Lets get Brexit done" slogan now it's all Labour go on and on about .

[arista]

....with consideration of the underdog Corbyn is, I would say that neck and neck is a pretty good result for him...


Corbyn using A4 printed paper
from the internet
was Pathetic
to get his fake point that
Conservatives want to privatise the NHS.

[Cherie]

At work so couldn't watch but saw the snap verdict. .. Corbyn had documented proof there are plans to flog the NHS, and still boris slides round the confrontation! Dear me. Mind you if the audience just roll their eyes when politicians are voicing concerns about the environment and poverty what's the point?
Who was this audience, rent a Tory on loan from question time?

Did you not hear them laughing when the question about lies was directed to Johnson?

I thought the audience was pretty balanced

[arista]

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[arista]

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BBC1HD
are doing the same two leader debate
on Friday Dec 6th.
Nick Robinson Presenting


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[Liam-]

The NHS is being used as a beating stick by Corbyn and the Labour party as both Johnson and Trump have said its off the table,Corbyn is just clinging to the NHS as it is so beloved by the UK,we know they all tell porkies but no way would he lie about selling the NHS as his political career would be over, its as boring as the "Lets get Brexit done" slogan now it's all Labour go on and on about .

Trump had never once said it’s off the table, he’s openly said the exact opposite and there have already been meetings between Tories and Americans about the NHS, I think it’s pretty damn important to keep going on about it until people wake up and realise what’s going to happen if Boris gets his way, he’s not trustworthy, he’s been sacked and fined many times for being a liar, in my eyes, it’s not worth the risk to ‘see’ if he’s telling the truth because if he’s not (he’s not) we’ll get shafted out of our health service so he can be invited to Donnies house for Christmas

[Kazanne]

Trump had never once said it’s off the table, he’s openly said the exact opposite and there have already been meetings between Tories and Americans about the NHS, I think it’s pretty damn important to keep going on about it until people wake up and realise what’s going to happen if Boris gets his way, he’s not trustworthy, he’s been sacked and fined many times for being a liar, in my eyes, it’s not worth the risk to ‘see’ if he’s telling the truth because if he’s not (he’s not) we’ll get shafted out of our health service so he can be invited to Donnies house for Christmas

That's exactly what the labour party want you to believe , well done to them , they gotcha.It was said on GMB that Trump has said he isn't going for the NHS.plus one fact that is true they ALL have lied.

[Liam-]

That's exactly what the labour party want you to believe , well done to them , they gotcha.It was said on GMB that Trump has said he isn't going for the NHS.plus one fact that is true they ALL have lied.

And who told you Trump said that? Because unless it comes from the horses mouth, then I’ll carry on believing what he’s actually said on the matter

[bots]

the tories have had 9 years to privatise the NHS as much as they like, they don't need a trade deal with the USA to do that, so, it's basically nonsense from labour

[Liam-]

the tories have had 9 years to privatise the NHS as much as they like, they don't need a trade deal with the USA to do that, so, it's basically nonsense from labour

But they’ve never been in Trump’s pocket before now though have they? He wants it and Johnson will give it to him

[bots]

But they’ve never been in Trump’s pocket before now though have they? He wants it and Johnson will give it to him

trade deals have to be satisfactory to both sides before there is a deal, any negotiations would need to see a net benefit to both sides, thats how it works

[Denver]

Also anyone see how Corybn carried on his hate of Jews?

[Livia]

Also anyone see how Corybn carried on his hate of Jews?

I saw him lie about how Labour have tackled anti-Semitism, and lie that every single complaint has been addressed, and lie that people have been expelled, because they've been let back in when the fuss dies down. If only he could say there have been problems with anti-Semitism within Labour, and they're going to stamp it out once and for all. But he doesn't.

[Denver]

I saw him lie about how Labour have tackled anti-Semitism, and lie that every single complaint has been addressed, and lie that people have been expelled, because they've been let back in when the fuss dies down. If only he could say there have been problems with anti-Semitism within Labour, and they're going to stamp it out once and for all. But he doesn't.

He also made sure a Jewish name sounded Jewish

[arista]

BBC Politic Live BBC2HD
at 12:38PM
confirmed the documents Corbyn had were American.
Not from the Conservative Government


It was American wish list.

Jonhson PM was Correct it's not his plan

[The Slim Reaper]

Ahh, so we're back to the corbyn hates jews nonsense. Yesterday a tory candidate was suspended for holocaust denial, but hey ho. Boris Johnson promised an inquiry into islamophobia in the conservative party during his leadership election, which Gove admitted they've done nothing about, and there are no real plans to address.

But still, let's all try and intellectualise this sham by pointing out a jew hater tried to use the correct pronunciation of a Jewish name, which to me, shows a real hatred for every jew that ever lived, going back as far as David.

I don't find debates like this particularly useful, so I only had it on in the background, but the moaning and groaning when corbyn mentioned the poor shows which side are really addressing injustice, and which side are so vacuously dishonest, that they peddle the same old hatred and projection time and time again.

Again for the people at the back; Boris johnson described gay people as bum boys in tank tops, black people as piccaninnies with watermelon smiles, and muslim women as letterboxes (leading to a 375% spike in attacks on Muslims). Corbyn has been an anti racism campaigner for decades.

The right wing has never been a friend to Jews, and people hopping on this train now because they've aligned themselves with a movement based on fear of immigrants really show themselves up when at the same time they support Israels apartheid state.

Selective outrage highlights the fact these people have no real interest in social justice, but merely use it for their own gain when it suits. Happy to call immigrants trash when it suits them and their bitterness.

[Livia]

Yeah, listen to the Jews moaning again. Labour supporters have already said it's all lies. . And the far Right hate Jews more... I've heard it all before. No one can tell me what insults me and what doesn't. Even though there are a few try hard here.

The Conservatives are not being investigated by the Equality and Human Rights commission. Only Labour are... following Chakrabati's sham investigation and "nothing to see here" result which earned her a place in the House of Lords. Shameful. Not a bad bit of whataboutery though, seeing as it's usually the left calling other people out for that.

[Twosugars]

Ahh, so we're back to the corbyn hates jews nonsense. Yesterday a tory candidate was suspended for holocaust denial, but hey ho. Boris Johnson promised an inquiry into islamophobia in the conservative party during his leadership election, which Gove admitted they've done nothing about, and there are no real plans to address.

But still, let's all try and intellectualise this sham by pointing out a jew hater tried to use the correct pronunciation of a Jewish name, which to me, shows a real hatred for every jew that ever lived, going back as far as David.

I don't find debates like this particularly useful, so I only had it on in the background, but the moaning and groaning when corbyn mentioned the poor shows which side are really addressing injustice, and which side are so vacuously dishonest, that they peddle the same old hatred and projection time and time again.

Again for the people at the back; Boris johnson described gay people as bum boys in tank tops, black people as piccaninnies with watermelon smiles, and muslim women as letterboxes (leading to a 375% spike in attacks on Muslims). Corbyn has been an anti racism campaigner for decades.

The right wing has never been a friend to Jews, and people hopping on this train now because they've aligned themselves with a movement based on fear of immigrants really show themselves up when at the same time they support Israels apartheid state.

Selective outrage highlights the fact these people have no real interest in social justice, but merely use it for their own gain when it suits. Happy to call immigrants trash when it suits them and their bitterness.

Well quite.
But labour needs to address the antisemitism. I dont consider Corbyn antisemitic but he dropped the ball and didnt nip it in the bud.
Latent antisemitism is like racism, it is everywhere. Labour didnt act soon enough or decisively enough. Its political enemies took the chance to run with it.

[Kizzy]

At work so couldn't watch but saw the snap verdict. .. Corbyn had documented proof there are plans to flog the NHS, and still boris slides round the confrontation! Dear me. Mind you if the audience just roll their eyes when politicians are voicing concerns about the environment and poverty what's the point?
Who was this audience, rent a Tory on loan from question time?

Did you not hear them laughing when the question about lies was directed to Johnson?

I thought the audience was pretty balanced

you read my post you'll know I haven't seen it yet, I tried to follow it via a live news feed. The audience laughing does not surprise me, even with evidence of deals that firmly put the NHS on the table some are willing to swollow the lies from boris. After the election there will be nothing we can do to save it.

[Twosugars]

trade deals have to be satisfactory to both sides before there is a deal, any negotiations would need to see a net benefit to both sides, thats how it works

Beggars can't be choosers

[Kizzy]

Ahh, so we're back to the corbyn hates jews nonsense. Yesterday a tory candidate was suspended for holocaust denial, but hey ho. Boris Johnson promised an inquiry into islamophobia in the conservative party during his leadership election, which Gove admitted they've done nothing about, and there are no real plans to address.

But still, let's all try and intellectualise this sham by pointing out a jew hater tried to use the correct pronunciation of a Jewish name, which to me, shows a real hatred for every jew that ever lived, going back as far as David.

I don't find debates like this particularly useful, so I only had it on in the background, but the moaning and groaning when corbyn mentioned the poor shows which side are really addressing injustice, and which side are so vacuously dishonest, that they peddle the same old hatred and projection time and time again.

Again for the people at the back; Boris johnson described gay people as bum boys in tank tops, black people as piccaninnies with watermelon smiles, and muslim women as letterboxes (leading to a 375% spike in attacks on Muslims). Corbyn has been an anti racism campaigner for decades.

The right wing has never been a friend to Jews, and people hopping on this train now because they've aligned themselves with a movement based on fear of immigrants really show themselves up when at the same time they support Israels apartheid state.

Selective outrage highlights the fact these people have no real interest in social justice, but merely use it for their own gain when it suits. Happy to call immigrants trash when it suits them and their bitterness.

:worship:

[Cherie]

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you read my post you'll know I haven't seen it yet, I tried to follow it via a live news feed. The audience laughing does not surprise me, even with evidence of deals that firmly put the NHS on the table some are willing to swollow the lies from boris. After the election there will be nothing we can do to save it.

Laughing at him.... but you have already decided the audience was full of Torys when you haven’t watched it..

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-islamophobia-complaints-ehrc-watchdog-theresa-may-a8918576.html

Conservatives are being investigated.

Anyone genuinely concerned with racism issues would never say that we've "let in all the trash into the country". That is the language of racists. Real, genuine racists.

If anyone shows me examples of Corbyn's anti semitism, then I'll denounce it and instantly and agree with all of you that I currently believe are purposefully misleading about the issue. The disproportionate amount of cover it gets to anything else should make it really easy for someone to go and put their fingers on all these times where Corbyn has shown how much he hates jews. Maybe I've been looking in the wrong place.

All parties have issues with racism and bigotry; including antisemitism and islamophobia, because the whole world is having theses same issues as it's a humanity problem. Belonging to a specific race or religion, doesn't exclude anyone from having their own attitudes to others examined, nor does it shut down anyone else's opinions.

Believe that labour hates jews or don't. Accept Boris' own words or don't.

[Beso]

Also anyone see how Corybn carried on his hate of Jews?

Yes I did.

[Twosugars]

Also anyone see how Corybn carried on his hate of Jews?

No.

Care to give examples of this from the debate?

[arista]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-islamophobia-complaints-ehrc-watchdog-theresa-may-a8918576.html

Conservatives are being investigated.

Anyone genuinely concerned with racism issues would never say that we've "let in all the trash into the country". That is the language of racists. Real, genuine racists.

If anyone shows me examples of Corbyn's anti semitism, then I'll denounce it and instantly and agree with all of you that I currently believe are purposefully misleading about the issue. The disproportionate amount of cover it gets to anything else should make it really easy for someone to go and put their fingers on all these times where Corbyn has shown how much he hates jews. Maybe I've been looking in the wrong place.

All parties have issues with racism and bigotry; including antisemitism and islamophobia, because the whole world is having theses same issues as it's a humanity problem. Belonging to a specific race or religion, doesn't exclude anyone from having their own attitudes to others examined, nor does it shut down anyone else's opinions.

Believe that labour hates jews or don't. Accept Boris' own words or don't.


Yes Old Link from
17th of May 2019

Sure Attacking Muslims must End
And Attacking Jews must also End

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Twosugars]

Wrong parties Slim.
Only Labour gets condemned for antisemitism

[Livia]

I won't be sticking up for anti-Semites, whether they're red, blue or any other persuasion. Just to be clear.

[Kizzy]

Laughing at him.... but you have already decided the audience was full of Torys when you haven’t watched it..

I followed the live feed on a news channel ... I didn't decide the audience laughed, the commentary stated the audience were laughing.

[The Slim Reaper]

I won't be sticking up for anti-Semites, whether they're red, blue or any other persuasion. Just to be clear.

:joker: Easy tiger. That's quite the condemnation.

[Livia]

:joker: Easy tiger. That's quite the condemnation.

What would please you more? Would you like me to say I hate Labour anti-Semites, but I'll put up with Tory ones? I don't think so. But laugh it up...

[The Slim Reaper]

No, no, no, you absolutely nailed it. I wouldn't have wanted you to write anything differently, because I'd have bet you would have addressed it similarly to how you actually did.

[Livia]

No, no, no, you absolutely nailed it. I wouldn't have wanted you to write anything differently, because I'd have bet you would have addressed it similarly to how you actually did.

And your Jew joke was just about the mark I was expecting from you. So on the upside, at least we haven't disappointed each other.

[The Slim Reaper]

And your Jew joke was just about the mark I was expecting from you. So on the upside, at least we haven't disappointed each other.

What jew joke?

[Livia]

What jew joke?

Do we really have to open this up again? I'm fully prepared to restate what you said... but I don't think you're as stupid and forgetful as you're trying to make out.


You're interesting though. In an odd way...

[Kizzy]

Do we really have to open this up again? I'm fully prepared to restate what you said... but I don't think you're as stupid and forgetful as you're trying to make out.


You're interesting though. In an odd way...

Yep restate it... I saw what it was, I'm not saying you don't have the right to be offended, however the context in which you're phrasing this and the way it was intended are a fair way apart imo.

[The Slim Reaper]

Do we really have to open this up again? I'm fully prepared to restate what you said... but I don't think you're as stupid and forgetful as you're trying to make out.


You're interesting though. In an odd way...

I remember now. I'm glad you don't want to open it up again after mentioning it in 3 seperate threads about 5 times :smug:

Funny how when you're asked to explain/justify things, that this is the time you chose to bring it up out of nowhere.