Israeli soldier films himself shooting Palestinian

[The Slim Reaper]

before whatsapping the video to his girlfriend so she can praise him.

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Time to end apartheid.

[arista]

Whats the Full Story
was he told to Halt?


And a rubber bullet is Not Death....................

[The Slim Reaper]

whats the full story
was he told to halt?


and a rubber bullet is not death....................

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[SherzyK]

Disgusting.

[Tom4784]

More cruelty from Israel, it's not surprising at this point sadly. So many Palestinian civillians have been victimised and killed by Israel and it's not going to stop anytime soon. The irony of a nation that was essentially born as a result of the horrors of WW2 succumbing to blatant human rights abuse is just really ****ing sad.

[Cherie]

horrific, why are some people so full of hate

[arista]

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Is he Alive , Though?

[SherzyK]

Is he Alive , Though?

Regardless of whether he got killed or not, how is this acceptable?

[Ammi]

...as if it were a game, no feeling for humankind at all...all of them just turning and walking away without any care at all...apparently, reading through some of the tweets below...the soldier responsible was kicked out immediately and is under criminal investigation...

[The Slim Reaper]

Is he Alive , Though?

Murder is the only crime in the world.

[Dogeatdog]

He just shot him in the back like it was nothing. Such disgusting people in the world.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Niamh.]

That's another one again? ^^ Disgusting

[The Slim Reaper]

That's another one again? ^^ Disgusting

That's weird. It's the same incident, but the Israelis have blamed a woman for it, while a guy claimed he did it to his girlfriend.

[Livia]

Maybe it's the same kind of story as this:

https://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/fake-meme-690x606.png

It's a hoax, as are many stories of violence against Palestinians, but never a mention of Palestinian violence toward the only country in the Middle East where women are allowed to vote.

[Niamh.]

That's weird. It's the same incident, but the Israelis have blamed a woman for it, while a guy claimed he did it to his girlfriend.

I didn't watch the videos because tbh I find that sort of thing too upsetting but I just presumed it was a different incident because the first one says it a male Soldier and the second says a female Police Officer weird

[Niamh.]

Maybe it's the same kind of story as this:

https://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/fake-meme-690x606.png

It's a hoax, as are many stories of violence against Palestinians, but never a mention of Palestinian violence toward the only country in the Middle East where women are allowed to vote.

Not according to wikipedia

Women's right to vote in the Arab world


Women were granted the right to vote on a universal and equal basis in Lebanon in 1952,[51] Syria (to vote) in 1949[52] (Restrictions or conditions lifted) in 1953,[53] Egypt in 1956,[54] Tunisia in 1959,[55] Mauritania in 1961,[56] Algeria in 1962,[57] Morocco in 1963,[58] Libya[59] and Sudan in 1964,[60] Yemen in 1967[52] (full right) in 1970,[61] Bahrain in 1973,[62] Jordan in 1974,[63] Iraq (full right) 1980,[62] Kuwait in 1985[64] (later removed and re-granted in 2005) and Oman in 1994.[65] Saudi Arabia in 2015.[66]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Arab_world

[The Slim Reaper]

Won't somebody think of the occupiers

[Ammi]

That's weird. It's the same incident, but the Israelis have blamed a woman for it, while a guy claimed he did it to his girlfriend.

...it did appear to be a female soldier as there was an investigation against her and she was dismissed...So sad that someone else would claim the action as if it was a thing to be proud of...

[The Slim Reaper]

...it did appear to be a female soldier as there was an investigation against her and she was dismissed...So sad that someone else would claim the action as if it was a thing to be proud of...

Whomever it was, being sacked for a hoax must be terrible.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-rights-idUSKBN1XF16M?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Co ntent&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel’s Supreme Court upheld a government decision to deport a Human Rights Watch (HRW) official accused of backing an international pro-Palestinian boycott campaign, an edict he said was aimed at stifling criticism of Israel.

The court ratified an Interior Ministry refusal to renew the work visa of Omar Shakir, a U.S. citizen representing New York-based HRW in Israel and the Palestinian territories, and ordered him to leave within 20 days.

Israel says he supports the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement which it has criminalized.

It has lobbied Western powers to follow suit, and Shakir’s case was a test for its anti-boycott legislation.

Shakir contested the argument that his past pro-Palestinian statements, before being appointed to the HRW post in 2016, constituted current backing for boycotts of Israel.

“Israeli Supreme Court upholds my deportation over my rights advocacy,” Shakir tweeted about the unanimous decision by the three-judge court.

He said that if the Israeli government forces him to leave, it will be joining Iran, North Korea and Egypt in blocking access for HRW officials monitoring rights violations.

“We won’t stop. And we won’t be the last,” Shakir wrote.

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Israeli Interior Minister Aryeh Deri said he was happy with the decision. “Anyone who acts against the country should know we will not allow them to work or live here,” he said.

Before the ruling, HRW said Israel’s move against Shakir showed it was seeking to suppress rights criticism.

HRW says it does not support boycotts of Israel.

It has defended Shakir’s statements since joining, including a tweet backing online rental service Airbnb’s delisting a year ago of homes in Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.

Airbnb later reversed that decision after intense criticism from Israel and litigation in U.S. and Israeli courts.

Israeli Strategic Affairs Minister Gilad Erdan said Israel granted hundreds of visas a year to rights activists and invited HRW to appoint a replacement for Shakir.

Husam Zomlot, the Palestinian envoy to Britain and adviser to President Mahmoud Abbas, tweeted that the ruling was a “disgraceful but expected outcome because of international inaction”.

Ayman Odeh, a senior politician representing Israel’s Arab minority, added on Twitter that deporting Shakir “only proves to us and to the world the extent to which his work is needed”.

[Livia]

Not according to wikipedia

Women's right to vote in the Arab world


Women were granted the right to vote on a universal and equal basis in Lebanon in 1952,[51] Syria (to vote) in 1949[52] (Restrictions or conditions lifted) in 1953,[53] Egypt in 1956,[54] Tunisia in 1959,[55] Mauritania in 1961,[56] Algeria in 1962,[57] Morocco in 1963,[58] Libya[59] and Sudan in 1964,[60] Yemen in 1967[52] (full right) in 1970,[61] Bahrain in 1973,[62] Jordan in 1974,[63] Iraq (full right) 1980,[62] Kuwait in 1985[64] (later removed and re-granted in 2005) and Oman in 1994.[65] Saudi Arabia in 2015.[66]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Arab_world


Women can vote in Saudi and Yemen and all those other countries... So that's all okay then!

I'm talking about real political freedom.

And quite a few of those countries you mention are in Africa, not the Middle East.

[Niamh.]

Women can vote in Saudi and Yemen and all those other countries... So that's all okay then!

I'm talking about real political freedom.

And quite a few of those countries you mention are in Africa, not the Middle East.

What do you mean "that's all OK then"? What's all OK then? I was just pointing out that Israel is not the only country in the Middle east where women can vote.

I actually had no idea if what you said was correct or not so I googled it and pasted the list, those African countries are considered "arab" I guess :shrug:

[Livia]

What do you mean "that's all OK then"? What's all OK then? I was just pointing out that Israel is not the only country in the Middle east where women can vote.

I actually had no idea if what you said was correct or not so I googled it and pasted the list, those African countries are considered "arab" I guess :shrug:

I didn't say Arab, I said Middle East. And there's no need to be aggressive.

I suppose to understand, you have to know a little bit about the status of women in those "middle eastern" countries. Maybe you could Google that.

It wasn't that long ago that you were surprised when I said about the anti-Semitism I'd experience, you told me that you didn't know that Jew-hate was a thing. You were actually surprised that people hate Jews. So I'm not comfortable continuing this conversation with you.

[Niamh.]

I didn't say Arab, I said Middle East. And there's no need to be aggressive.

I suppose to understand, you have to know a little bit about the status of women in those "middle eastern" countries. Maybe you could Google that.

It wasn't that long ago that you were surprised when I said about the anti-Semitism I'd experience, you told me that you didn't know that Jew-hate was a thing. You were actually surprised that people hate Jews. So I'm not comfortable continuing this conversation with you.

How was I being "aggressive"?

Ok, no problem Livia, clearly you need to do a bit of googling yourself though before making incorrect statements like Israel is the only country in the Middle East where women can vote.

[Livia]

How was I being "aggressive"?

Ok, no problem Livia, clearly you need to do a bit of googling yourself though before making incorrect statements like Israel is the only country in the Middle East where women can vote.

I don't rely on Google.

Go and compare the Middle East countries with Israel, and find out about women's freedom. Find out about religious freedom... it doesn't exist. And yet, Israel is home to not only Jews, but also Muslims and Christians. Imagining life for a woman generally in the Middle East allows them the same freedoms that Israel does is wrong. I know that doesn't fit the anti-Israel narrative. But hey...

[Niamh.]

I didn't say Arab, I said Middle East. And there's no need to be aggressive.

I suppose to understand, you have to know a little bit about the status of women in those "middle eastern" countries. Maybe you could Google that.

It wasn't that long ago that you were surprised when I said about the anti-Semitism I'd experience, you told me that you didn't know that Jew-hate was a thing. You were actually surprised that people hate Jews. So I'm not comfortable continuing this conversation with you.

Hang on a second there, what are you saying? I make you uncomfortable for pointing out Israel isn't the only country where women can vote in the Middle east because I asked you about Anti Semitism before? Ok then...... nice deflection

[Livia]

Hang on a second there, what are you saying? I make you uncomfortable for pointing out Israel isn't the only country where women can vote in the Middle east because I asked you about Anti Semitism before? Ok then...... nice deflection

No, it means that I'm surprised you're quite so anti-Israel when you weren't even acquainted with anti-Semitism. Leads me to question how you form your opinions. And actually, it makes me understand how anti-Semitic posts are allowed to remain on this forum until someone makes a fuss.

[Niamh.]

I don't rely on Google.

Go and compare the Middle East countries with Israel, and find out about women's freedom. Find out about religious freedom... it doesn't exist. And yet, Israel is home to not only Jews, but also Muslims and Christians. Imagining life for a woman generally in the Middle East allows them the same freedoms that Israel does is wrong. I know that doesn't fit the anti-Israel narrative. But hey...

Ok, but what you said was "Israel is the only country in the Middle East where women can vote" that's not true.

[Niamh.]

No, it means that I'm surprised you're quite so anti-Israel when you weren't even acquainted with anti-Semitism. Leads me to question how you form your opinions. And actually, it makes me understand how anti-Semitic posts are allowed to remain on this forum until someone makes a fuss.

How am I anti Israel? Would you like to quote a single post of mine which is "anti Israel" You don't even have to search through other threads, which one of my posts in this thread, is anti Israel?

[Livia]

Ok, but what you said was "Israel is the only country in the Middle East where women can vote" that's not true.

That's not true Niamh. Okay? I was wrong to say that. I should have said Israel is the only country in the Middle East (not Africa....) where women have political freedom and where their vote always counts, whether they're Jew, Arab... whatever they are.

[Niamh.]

That's not true Niamh. Okay? I was wrong to say that. I should have said Israel is the only country in the Middle East (not Africa....) where women have political freedom and where their vote always counts, whether they're Jew, Arab... whatever they are.

:douf:

[Livia]

How am I anti Israel? Would you like to quote a single post of mine which is "anti Israel" You don't even have to search through other threads, which one of my posts in this thread, is anti Israel?

It's clear you are anti-Israel. Go and read your own posts. It's too upsetting for your to watch the videos. The Internet is rife with hoax stories and accompanying pictures and videos of Israeli soldiers doing unspeakable things and everyone's all so willing to believe it.

You're a moderator. I've seen awfully anti-Semitic things said on this forum and they've stayed there for ages. And yet in the "rules" it says not to tell you how to do your jobs, you see everything. I'm paraphrasing of course. I would expect one person from the moderation team might have picked something up as anti-Semitic.... but no.

I don't really have anything else to add now... unless you do?

[Livia]

:douf:

Unlike you to be so childish.

[Nicky91]

yeah i guess middle-east is correct

but here's something interesting too


The IFA was a member of the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) from 1954 until 1974, when it was expelled due to political pressure from Arab and Muslim members that refused to play against Israel. From then until 1992, the IFA was not affiliated with any confederation. During this period, the Israeli national teams played only in FIFA competitions and occasionally in OFC, UEFA and CONMEBOL qualifying tournaments.
In 1992, the IFA was admitted to UEFA as an associate member, becoming a full member two years later. Since 1992, Israeli clubs have played in the various UEFA club competitions, while the national teams have played in UEFA championships.

so honestly, football wise Israel was first part of Asia's AFC until they got banned after refusing to play against other Arab/Muslim countries, political pressure thing

and since 1992 they are a part of europe's UEFA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Football_Association


Israel was able to enter the contest as the Israel Broadcasting Authority (IBA) is a member organisation of the European Broadcasting Union

and that being their reason (being able to) participate in eurovision song contest, since they are a member of the EBU prior to their debut in 1973


and here it is arab-israeli conflict ongoing for 71 years, 5 months, 3 weeks and 1 day now since 1948 :o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Israeli_conflict

[Niamh.]

It's clear you are anti-Israel. Go and read your own posts. It's too upsetting for your to watch the videos. The Internet is rife with hoax stories and accompanying pictures and videos of Israeli soldiers doing unspeakable things and everyone's all so willing to believe it.

You're a moderator. I've seen awfully anti-Semitic things said on this forum and they've stayed there for ages. And yet in the "rules" it says not to tell you how to do your jobs, you see everything. I'm paraphrasing of course. I would expect one person from the moderation team might have picked something up as anti-Semitic.... but no.

I don't really have anything else to add now... unless you do?

Me saying it's too upsetting for me to watch a guy getting shot makes me "anti Israel" ummmm ok...... I never watch videos like that. Is that literally your evidence of me being "Anti Israel" Really? Not wanting to watch a guy getting shot?

[Kizzy]

Well, I've seen it all now castigated for reading through a thread... :/
I don't agree with the fake news tack you're adopting here, but I don't wish to be accused of anything for expressing a view.
I think it's clear there is not equality for all living in Israel man or women until there is then there will always be unrest. That's my opinion.

[The Slim Reaper]

I think these kind of accusations are a bad look all round. If people can't debate without going straight to the "you hate jews", then that's just as insulting to jews as anyone else. There is no borg-like jewish mind (and to say there was used to be an actual antisemitic trope, not a fake one}, and what made judaism a better approach to the madness of the Abrahamic faith was the openness to science and debate, and not accusing anyone that says something they don't like of being antisemitic. There are Jewish groups that oppose Israels policies and their system of apartheid, are those jews antisemitic or jew haters too?

Refusing to acknowledge the truth about what is happening makes people as closed minded as any of the fundamentalist mullahs they claim to be better than.

[Kizzy]

Among Palestinians, despair is widespread. “The times are rotten,” my nephew Aziz told me upon my return, echoing Hamlet. There is growing awareness here that Israel’s international campaign to demonise criticism of its colonial policies as a form of antisemitism is succeeding. And there is no hope to be found in Israel: none of the parties contesting the elections on Tuesday are talking about the occupation or proposing how to end it. Instead they are competing to see who can promise the most to the settlers.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/17/palestinians-israel-election-occupation-netanyahu

[Twosugars]

No, it means that I'm surprised you're quite so anti-Israel when you weren't even acquainted with anti-Semitism. Leads me to question how you form your opinions. And actually, it makes me understand how anti-Semitic posts are allowed to remain on this forum until someone makes a fuss.

And that's the thing those equating any criticism of israel with antisemitism have trouble understanding, like in this post.
You can be against actions of this soldier without being antisemite.
You can be against israel stealing occupied land without being antisemite

[Tom4784]

The whole idea that saying anything critical of Israel is anti-semitic is just a way of silencing voices speaking out against the government and the administration that run it. You can criticise Trump without being xenophobic against the US, you can criticise the Tories without being anti-UK etc.

Accusing someone of being anti-semitic based on nothing is quite low and it undercuts the suffering of Jews by turning it into a cheap weapon to silence people with valid views. Critcising the human rights abuse that the Israel government have carried out against Palestinian citizens is not the same as hating jews and it's just incredibly bad faith to make it out to be.

[Kizzy]

Call me a northern thicky but how do you claim democracy for a country divided into 3 enclaves with a different ruling body for each?

[smudgie]

So, who actually shot who in the end?

[Twosugars]

So, who actually shot who in the end?

It says in the op.

The off topic that occurred on this thread later doesnt change anything.

[SherzyK]

So, who actually shot who in the end?

The Israeli soldier shot the Palestinian

[smudgie]

It says in the op.

The off topic that occurred on this thread later doesnt change anything.

In your opinion of course.
In my life it did, by the time I read a few pages of off topic I was no wiser if it was a soldier shooting his girlfriend..or showing his girlfriend, or if it was some random woman, or maybe a woman soldier shooting an innocent random.
I did however get the bit about it being rubber bullets...cos it got me singing
to an old 10cc tune.

[smudgie]

The Israeli soldier shot the Palestinian

Thanks Shezyk, all a tad confusing for me today.:blush:

[The Slim Reaper]

In your opinion of course.
In my life it did, by the time I read a few pages of off topic I was no wiser if it was a soldier shooting his girlfriend..or showing his girlfriend, or if it was some random woman, or maybe a woman soldier shooting an innocent random.
I did however get the bit about it being rubber bullets...cos it got me singing
to an old 10cc tune.

The info was a bit messed up in the op, Smudgie. It was actually a female soldier that shot the unarmed civilian as he walked away. She has since been fired for it.

[smudgie]

The info was a bit messed up in the op, Smudgie. It was actually a female soldier that shot the unarmed civilian as he walked away. She has since been fired for it.

Good.
She should end up in court as well for me.
Thanks for the info TSR.

[The Slim Reaper]

Good.
She should end up in court as well for me.
Thanks for the info TSR.

Some follow up

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-policewoman-officer-shot-palestinian-video-charged-a9184141.html

[smudgie]

Some follow up

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-policewoman-officer-shot-palestinian-video-charged-a9184141.html

Absolutely shocking.:fist:

[arista]

[The Channel 13 report quoted the
police as saying the man was not seriously hurt.]
[the incident took place in May 2018]

[a sponge-tipped bullet “for fun” after a video of the incident emerged over the weekend.]


Good he is OK Now