Italy Holocaust survivor Liliana Segre under guard amid death threats

[bots]

An 89-year-old Holocaust survivor in Italy has been assigned police guards for protection after receiving hundreds of threats on social media.

Liliana Segre, who was sent to the notorious Auschwitz death camp at 13, has been subjected to a barrage of anti-Semitic messages in recent days.

It comes after Ms Segre, an Italian life senator, called for parliament to establish a committee to combat hate.

The motion passed despite a lack of support by Italy's right-wing parties.

Members of the nationalist League party, led by Matteo Salvini, the centre-right Forza Italia and the far-right Brothers of Italy all abstained from the vote in Milan last week.

The motion called for the establishment of an extraordinary commission in Italy to combat all forms of racism, anti-Semitism, incitement to hatred and violence on ethnic and religious grounds.

Ms Segre said after the vote that the abstentions made her feel "like a Martian in the Senate".

"I appealed to the conscience of everyone and thought that a commission against hatred as a principle would be accepted by all," she said at the time, Italy's La Repubblica reported (in Italian).

Since then, she has reported receiving as many as 200 hate messages a day.

Some of the threats have been so serious that the prefect of Milan, Renato Saccone, held a meeting on Wednesday with the committee for security and public order, where it was agreed that Ms Segre needed police protection.

The measures that were approved include Ms Segre being accompanied in public by two paramilitary carabinieri officers.

Meanwhile, the Milan public prosecutor's office said it had opened an investigation into the hate messages targeting the senator and had requested the assistance of Italy's anti-terror police.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50329597

[Niamh.]

Poor woman, after going through everything she did as a teenager too

[Twosugars]

Poor woman. Survived the nazis and now is threatened by neo-nazis!

[Tom4784]

Disgraceful, but sadly not unexpected. Nazism is on the rise once again and any politician that voted against the committee should be ashamed.


It's not a surprise to see a 'centre' party vote with extremists and nationalists, Centre is pretty much the right wing with a modicum of self awareness.

[Livia]

Disgraceful. But it's not more disgraceful because it is the far right. It's equally as disgraceful whether it's the far left or the far right.

[Cherie]

I've just been listening some poor woman in actual flood of tears due to what is going on in the UK at the moment, and fearful of Corbyn getting into power, how quickly we appear to have forgotton the Holocaust

[arista]

Good she now has Police Guards.

[smudgie]

That poor lady.
What an awful world we live in, when people thinks it’s ok to threaten somebody for their beliefs, especially at her age and after the hell she must have been through in the war.

[Kizzy]

I've just been listening some poor woman in actual flood of tears due to what is going on in the UK at the moment, and fearful of Corbyn getting into power, how quickly we appear to have forgotton the Holocaust

It's an actual obsession... why is Corbyn even mentioned in a thread in which the topic is the far right in Italy?!
I'm sorry but it IS more disgraceful because us the far right because there is NO EVIDENCE of far left terrorism.
It's just dog whistle tactics, that are as shamefull as they are pathetic in their dishonesty!

[Kizzy]

That poor lady.
What an awful world we live in, when people thinks it’s ok to threaten somebody for their beliefs, especially at her age and after the hell she must have been through in the war.

I 100% agree Smudgie it's the most base of human that would terrorise such a corageous lady in her twilight years :(

[Twosugars]

It's an actual obsession... why is Corbyn even mentioned in a thread in which the topic is the far right in Italy?!
I'm sorry but it IS more disgraceful because us the far right because there is NO EVIDENCE of far left terrorism.
It's just dog whistle tactics, that are as shamefull as they are pathetic in their dishonesty!

Totally.

Maybe corbyn moonlights as Italian neo nazi? :laugh:

[Beso]

Would be the far left in Britain.


So happy it's been highlighted in Europe. .imo it's time Britain started to open its eyes.

[Cherie]

It's an actual obsession... why is Corbyn even mentioned in a thread in which the topic is the far right in Italy?!
I'm sorry but it IS more disgraceful because us the far right because there is NO EVIDENCE of far left terrorism.
It's just dog whistle tactics, that are as shamefull as they are pathetic in their dishonesty!

I mentioned it because the woman in floods of tears was Jewish and mentioned him, so its totally in context kizzy, no need for the histrionics

[Cherie]

Totally.

Maybe corbyn moonlights as Italian neo nazi? :laugh:

No the Jewish woman in floods of tears lives in England so no need for him to move to Italy :hee:

[Beso]

Must be an election coming up Cherie...

[Cherie]

Must be an election coming up Cherie...

I mean to accuse me of having an obsession about Corbyn....kizzy of all people :laugh: irony...what!

[Beso]

I mean to accuse me of having an obsession about Corbyn....kizzy of all people :laugh: irony...what!

Don't you like older men then:grin2:

[Kizzy]

I mentioned it because the woman in floods of tears was Jewish and mentioned him, so its totally in context kizzy, no need for the histrionics

And why does the persecution of a Jewish lady by the far right in Italy make you think of Corbyn? ... it makes zero sense there is no comparison whatsoever.
I'm histrionic? ... I'm not the one making the most tenuous of links ever cherie :/

[Kizzy]

I mean to accuse me of having an obsession about Corbyn....kizzy of all people :laugh: irony...what!

Yes... I rarely speak of him yet his name comes up on every thread it's beyond bizarre.
Italian neo nazis ...grrr Corbyn
Surely I'm not the only one to have noticed this ridiculous trend?

[Twosugars]

No the Jewish woman in floods of tears lives in England so no need for him to move to Italy :hee:

Did he issue death threats to her or what?

[Kizzy]

No the Jewish woman in floods of tears lives in England so no need for him to move to Italy :hee:
How disgustingly disrespectful that you allude supporing Labour with forgetting about the Holocaust, have you any idea how insulting that is? .. I'm not responding to you in this thread any longer.
I find your comments rude and offensive.

[Cherie]

How disgustingly disrespectful that you allude supporing Labour with forgetting about the Holocaust, have you any idea how insulting that is? .. I'm not responding to you in this thread any longer.
I find your comments rude and offensive.

how awful for you kizzy

[Cherie]

And why does the persecution of a Jewish lady by the far right in Italy make you think of Corbyn? ... it makes zero sense there is no comparison whatsoever.
I'm histrionic? ... I'm not the one making the most tenuous of links ever cherie :/

I happened to be listening to her the same time this was posted, so I linked two Jewish women and their current experiences, hardly tenuous kizzy, if you don't like it, then that's too bad

[bots]

Did he issue death threats to her or what?

so does that mean that provided no death threats are issued, people can be as antisemitic as they like? Pretty silly argument

[Shaun]

Italy seems to be one of the most backwards and racist countries going at the moment, you need only pay 15 minutes attention to the football stories to see that.

[Kizzy]

so does that mean that provided no death threats are issued, people can be as antisemitic as they like? Pretty silly argument

Of course not that's a pretty silly conclusion to draw imo.

[Twosugars]

so does that mean that provided no death threats are issued, people can be as antisemitic as they like? Pretty silly argument

Did he issue death threats to her or what?


I asked an open question, not limited to death threats ok?

I want to know what all these people scared of a corbyn win in election think he's going to do to Jews. Why the hysteria?
What in a democratic country with free press and independent judiciary and the legislative can happen to them?
As we've seen with trump who is a racist and white supremacist, people he doesnt like in america carry on living there as before.
Not that I think corbyn is antisemitic. But even if he was?
We had instances of the actual far right governing in Europe like a brief spell in Austria and I dont remember Austrian jews having to emigrate from the country or being persecuted by the state.
I'd understand distaste and outrage. But it goes beyond that here. Theres a narrative of "we will have to emigrate".
Could somebody explain that to me. Maybe I missed something and I'd like to understand.

[Cherie]

I asked an open question, not limited to death threats ok?

I want to know what all these people scared of a corbyn win in election think he's going to do to Jews. Why the hysteria?
What in a democratic country with free press and independent judiciary and the legislative can happen to them?
As we've seen with trump who is a racist and white supremacist, people he doesnt like in america carry on living there as before.
Not that I think corbyn is antisemitic. But even if he was?
We had instances of the actual far right governing in Europe like a brief spell in Austria and I dont remember Austrian jews having to emigrate from the country or being persecuted by the state.
I'd understand distaste and outrage. But it goes beyond that here. Theres a narrative of "we will have to emigrate".
Could somebody explain that to me. Maybe I missed something and I'd like to understand.

You are asking the wrong people, you will have to seek out the Jewish community for answers, I don't think its anything anyone who is non-Jewish can answer for you

[bots]

I asked an open question, not limited to death threats ok?

I want to know what all these people scared of a corbyn win in election think he's going to do to Jews. Why the hysteria?
What in a democratic country with free press and independent judiciary and the legislative can happen to them?
As we've seen with trump who is a racist and white supremacist, people he doesnt like in america carry on living there as before.
Not that I think corbyn is antisemitic. But even if he was?
We had instances of the actual far right governing in Europe like a brief spell in Austria and I dont remember Austrian jews having to emigrate from the country or being persecuted by the state.
I'd understand distaste and outrage. But it goes beyond that here. Theres a narrative of "we will have to emigrate".
Could somebody explain that to me. Maybe I missed something and I'd like to understand.

It's pretty obvious what happens when you have a leader of a party that condones particular behaviour or is an active participant.

The rise in antisemitism across europe has been well reported and I as a non jew detailed it on this very forum ... but everyone chose to ignore it ... not a single comment. Why? because they know there is an issue with the labour party and to acknowledge it also acknowledges that it is an issue in the political party they support. That I find disgusting, and I am sure not going to sugar coat it.

In your earlier post you quite clearly implied there was a big difference between someone getting death threats, and someone not ... that again, is WRONG.

[Kazanne]

It's pretty obvious what happens when you have a leader of a party that condones particular behaviour or is an active participant.

The rise in antisemitism across europe has been well reported and I as a non jew detailed it on this very forum ... but everyone chose to ignore it ... not a single comment. Why? because they know there is an issue with the labour party and to acknowledge it also acknowledges that it is an issue in the political party they support. That I find disgusting, and I am sure not going to sugar coat it.

In your earlier post you quite clearly implied there was a big difference between someone getting death threats, and someone not ... that again, is WRONG.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Twosugars]

It's pretty obvious what happens when you have a leader of a party that condones particular behaviour or is an active participant.

The rise in antisemitism across europe has been well reported and I as a non jew detailed it on this very forum ... but everyone chose to ignore it ... not a single comment. Why? because they know there is an issue with the labour party and to acknowledge it also acknowledges that it is an issue in the political party they support. That I find disgusting, and I am sure not going to sugar coat it.

In your earlier post you quite clearly implied there was a big difference between someone getting death threats, and someone not ... that again, is WRONG.

I didnt imply anything.
And you're not the only one posting about antisemitism so get off your high horse.
Many here discussed the issue.
As far as remember all labour supporters here condemned it and called for the current enquiry to provide recommendations.
But I will not be brow beaten by you from asking questions and debating the details.

And the bolded bit: it is not obvious to me. Tell me what happens in a democratic country like the UK

[Kizzy]

It's pretty obvious what happens when you have a leader of a party that condones particular behaviour or is an active participant.

The rise in antisemitism across europe has been well reported and I as a non jew detailed it on this very forum ... but everyone chose to ignore it ... not a single comment. Why? because they know there is an issue with the labour party and to acknowledge it also acknowledges that it is an issue in the political party they support. That I find disgusting, and I am sure not going to sugar coat it.

In your earlier post you quite clearly implied there was a big difference between someone getting death threats, and someone not ... that again, is WRONG.

And where is the evidence he condones the behaviour?....The rise in antisemitism is well documented as deriving from the far right in Europe and in the UK there is evidence in both major parties. Labour are the only party to acknowledge this, it has been identified and addressed should NOT be used as a stick it beat labour supporters with as you appear to be doing here.

[Cherie]

Former Labour Party employees have spoken out publicly on the BBC’s flagship investigative documentary programme, Panorama, to reveal Jeremy Corbyn’s personal meddling in disciplinary cases relating to antisemitism.
The documentary lays bare the scale of the interference by agents of Mr Corbyn in the process. The programme is peppered with unconvincing denials from Labour’s press team.

https://antisemitism.uk/jeremy-corbyns-meddling-in-disciplinary-cases-is-further-evidence-of-his-antisemitism-and-that-he-is-unfit-for-office/

[Kizzy]

Oh the knives are out for sure.

[Cherie]

Oh the knives are out for sure.

what does that even mean, you asked for evidence, if you troubled yourself to open the link the programme aired in July 2019 long before any whiff of an election. I mean Jewish members leaving the party should be enough but...

[Kizzy]

what does that even mean, you asked for evidence, if you troubled yourself to open the link the programme aired in July 2019 long before any whiff of an election. I mean Jewish members leaving the party should be enough but...

I remember the accusations the first time and commented accordingly at the time. I don't need your accusatory input thank you cherie. The knives are out as this is being revisited almost a year on despite the changes to the investegatative process.
It's a muck raking election stunt..using this topic for that is exploiting the issue.

[Cherie]

I remember the accusations the first time and commented accordingly at the time. I don't need your accusatory input thank you cherie. The knives are out as this is being revisited almost a year on despite the changes to the investegatative process.
It's a muck raking election stunt..using this topic for that is exploiting the issue.

what kind of dictatorship are you trying to run here kizzy, I will post if I like, whether you like it or not is not my concern.

[Mystic Mock]

Disgraceful. But it's not more disgraceful because it is the far right. It's equally as disgraceful whether it's the far left or the far right.

Neo-Nazism is more of a right wing than a left wing ideology tbf, although I do agree with you that extremism on both sides is unacceptable.

And why anyone would want to harm an 89 year old is beyond me, especially when she's advocating for peace.

[Mystic Mock]

Italy seems to be one of the most backwards and racist countries going at the moment, you need only pay 15 minutes attention to the football stories to see that.

I'm still shocked that the Cagliari fans keep getting away with the monkey chanting over the last few seasons.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm still shocked that the Cagliari fans keep getting away with the monkey chanting over the last few seasons.

"Lukaku was subjected to monkey chants as he prepared to take – and score – the match-winning penalty on 1 September at the Sardegna Arena. However, following an investigation the Italian Football Federation’s (FIGC) sporting justice panel has ruled that the chants could not be considered discriminatory in terms of their “scale and realisation”. A statement from Lega Serie A said the panel had therefore decided not to apply sanctions to Cagliari.

Police in the Sardinian capital told FIGC investigators that “only on the occasion” of Lukaku’s penalty were “chants, shouts and whistles aimed at the opposition athlete as he prepared to take his shot”.

Individual spectators were observed chanting at the Belgian but, because of the volume of the noise emanating from the stand, it was claimed that it was not clear what was being said and so it could not be proven that it was discriminatory."

from the Guardian

[arista]

Great to have you back LT.

[Kizzy]

what kind of dictatorship are you trying to run here kizzy, I will post if I like, whether you like it or not is not my concern.

Save the faux outrage... you quoted me demanding I read old news cherie.

[Cherie]

Save the faux outrage... you quoted me demanding I read old news cherie.

who is outraged :laugh: if anyone is outraged it's you, you are offended, you are being accused, I demanded that you read some article, where did I demand you to do anything? fake news kizzy, fake news

[Beso]

Football players should just walk off if they here those chants..why perform for people like that..

Keep doing it, the authorities will soon knock it on the head.

I would applaud that if I was at a game.

[Kizzy]

who is outraged :laugh: if anyone is outraged it's you, you are offended, you are being accused, I demanded that you read some article, where did I demand you to do anything? fake news kizzy, fake news

Bit like that report then... rehashed spin is all it is. The knives are out due to the perceived threat to the 'moderate' Labour MPS. They are behind all this to protect their businesses, housing portfolio, offshore money, and school place for little tarquin.