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Officials have launched an investigation after a viral video showed a white transit officer seemingly detaining a black man for eating a sandwich on a train platform in San Francisco.
Steve Foster was eating his breakfast before riding the BART, the subway system in the San Francisco Bay Area, when he was approached by the officer last week.
He can be heard telling the officer in a video shared to his profile: “You singled me out of all these people.”
“You’re eating”, the officer can be heard saying in response.
Mr Foster replied: “So what?”
The video caused a backlash among San Francisco residents and officials, who participated in an “eat-in” protest on BART train platforms during the weekend and criticised the incident as an act of racism.
BART later confirmed the passenger was issued a citation on 4 November, adding that he “was not arrested” but rather “cited for eating which is a violation of state law”.
The statement continued: “It isn’t just a policy or ordinance, it is penal code.”
Rebecca Saltzman, BART’s board vice president, also said she and “other BART directors are following up with management” after the subway system’s independent police auditor received a complaint about the incident.
While an extended video of the exchange showed the passenger berating the officer, demonstrators who showed up to a protest told media there were bigger priority issues the subway system was facing than handing out citations for eating food.
“We can be doing better things, like preventing people from defecating or whatever on BART,” one resident named Nika Sanchez told NBC Bay Area.
John Riemann, another demonstrator at the eat-in, told ABC 7 News: “To me, I have no doubt this guy was treated differently because he is a young black man.”
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eat-in-protest-sandwich-arrest-black-man-video-bart-san-francisco-bill-gluckman-a9198846.html
Headie
15-11-2019, 04:07 PM
Saw this last week, it seems they employed more officers to patrol the station as there's been a rise in theft, muggings, drug usage etc... and instead they decide to arrest a black man for eating a sandwich :skull: You can't make it up.
user104658
15-11-2019, 04:10 PM
I'm 99% sure when the subtitles say "We got a guy here on the platform, he's being uncooperative. Send me [unintelligable]"... he says "Send me Keanu Reeves".
:think:
perhaps it was a particularly offensive sandwich?
If he hadn't been so mouthy to the cop he would probably only been warned.
GiRTh
15-11-2019, 04:27 PM
If he hadn't been so mouthy to the cop he would probably only been warned.:laugh:
Niamh.
15-11-2019, 04:30 PM
Why is it illegal to eat on an outdoor train platform anyway? Bit of a stupid rule
GiRTh
15-11-2019, 04:33 PM
Why is it illegal to eat on an outdoor train platform anyway? Bit of a stupid rule:clap1:
Crimson Dynamo
15-11-2019, 04:43 PM
Why is it illegal to eat on an outdoor train platform anyway? Bit of a stupid rule
rules are rules, i am sure its there for a reason and for passenger safety
:clap1:
GiRTh
15-11-2019, 04:45 PM
rules are rules, i am sure its there for a reason and for passenger safety
:clap1:So we arrest people for breaking this rule, do we? Seems a little harsh, dont you think?
Niamh.
15-11-2019, 04:46 PM
rules are rules, i am sure its there for a reason and for passenger safety
:clap1:
Good job they have all these police officers around to protect the Public from them sandwich eating perps then, eh?
...4 police officers to handcuff him because the original police officer felt the need to call backup for the sandwich eater....that must have been some sandwich filling...
Niamh.
15-11-2019, 04:48 PM
...4 police officers to handcuff him because the original police officer felt the need to call backup for the sandwich eater....that must have been some sandwich filling...
The officer said he was resisting arrest but all he said was "lettuce alone"
The Slim Reaper
15-11-2019, 04:50 PM
...4 police officers to handcuff him because the original police officer felt the need to call backup for the sandwich eater....that must have been some sandwich filling...
At least lamb, mint yoghurt, and some crispy onions.
The Slim Reaper
15-11-2019, 04:51 PM
The officer said he was resisting arrest but all he said was "lettuce alone"
They said he could pay a fine, but he didn't have enough bread on him.
The Slim Reaper
15-11-2019, 04:52 PM
Seems like a pretty ham fisted approach to police work if you ask me.
Niamh.
15-11-2019, 04:52 PM
They said he could pay a fine, but he didn't have enough bread on him.
Yep, got himself into an awful pickle
The Slim Reaper
15-11-2019, 04:54 PM
That's what happens when you resist baguette
Crimson Dynamo
15-11-2019, 04:56 PM
Good job they have all these police officers around to protect the Public from them sandwich eating perps then, eh?
law breaking is a serious business and i am glad the SF police have a zero tolerance approach to perps, good job officer.
Denver
15-11-2019, 05:02 PM
Racist american Cops strike again
...I’m just reading that BART have apologised and it is being looked into as it’s the singling out that is claimed by Mr Foster ...of a platform of many sandwich/snack eaters...
GoldHeart
15-11-2019, 05:08 PM
Why is it illegal to eat on an outdoor train platform anyway? Bit of a stupid rule
It isn't illegal , bet if he saw a group sniffing coke he'd turn a blind eye :crazy: . Because its easier to pick on a innocent person minding their own business who isn't a threat .
Racial or not he's probably the type of prick that would give an elderly woman grief for accidentally dropping a sweet wrapper :bored: . And probably treat her like a criminal.
arista
15-11-2019, 06:01 PM
...4 police officers to handcuff him because the original police officer felt the need to call backup for the sandwich eater....that must have been some sandwich filling...
Only 4?
Twosugars
15-11-2019, 06:15 PM
American police is full of racists
Crimson Dynamo
15-11-2019, 06:45 PM
American police is full of racists
what rubbish :joker:
have you even been to USA?
Twosugars
15-11-2019, 06:50 PM
I have and the police is full of racists
Crimson Dynamo
15-11-2019, 06:55 PM
I have and the police is full of racists
sure
Redway
15-11-2019, 09:40 PM
rules are rules, i am sure its there for a reason and for passenger safety
:clap1:
Unbelievable.
Livia
15-11-2019, 10:20 PM
I have to say, he was probably handcuffed because he swore, refused to show ID and made a homophobic comment to the officer.
GiRTh
15-11-2019, 10:23 PM
I have to say, he was probably handcuffed because he swore, refused to show ID and made a homophobic comment to the officer.The cop was already holding him when the video starts. Are you trying to say he got himself arrested?
Livia
15-11-2019, 10:32 PM
The cop was already holding him when the video starts. Are you trying to say he got himself arrested?
I'm trying to say... yes, the video shows what happened after the cop detailed him. What I saw was someone being quite belligerent and a police officer being quite calm. I've read about the incident. You can't eat or drink on the platforms nor in the trains and according to the NY Times, there are clear signs up. A mountain was made out of a mole hill, and personally, I'd give the cop and the sandwich man 50% of the blame each.
GiRTh
15-11-2019, 10:36 PM
I'm trying to say... yes, the video shows what happened after the cop detailed him. What I saw was someone being quite belligerent and a police officer being quite calm. I've read about the incident. You can't eat or drink on the platforms nor in the trains and according to the NY Times, there are clear signs up. A mountain was made out of a mole hill, and personally, I'd give the cop and the sandwich man 50% of the blame each.So you feel if the man was calm he'd have been Ok. Despite the fact he was being physically held for eating a sandwich. This is a familiar argument, I'm just asking is that what you're saying? :thumbs:
Marsh.
15-11-2019, 10:38 PM
Everything that's happening in the world and you have an officer of the law requesting backup for a man eating a sandwich.
The world's gone mad.
Livia
15-11-2019, 10:52 PM
So you feel if the man was calm he'd have been Ok. Despite the fact he was being physically held for eating a sandwich. This is a familiar argument, I'm just asking is that what you're saying? :thumbs:
He was being physically held only indirectly because he was eating a sandwich. The real reason he was being physically held is that when he was approached, he was told he wasn't allowed to eat or drink on the platform. But he continued, and the officer issued a citation. When this happened he cursed, refused to show ID and made a homophobic comment to the officer. According to the article I've read. Only then does the video start. I didn't hear anyone mention his race on the video except he himself. I just think the whole thing was handled badly by both parties and a huge fuss ensued. That is what I am saying.
GiRTh
15-11-2019, 11:08 PM
He was being physically held only indirectly because he was eating a sandwich. The real reason he was being physically held is that when he was approached, he was told he wasn't allowed to eat or drink on the platform. But he continued, and the officer issued a citation. When this happened he cursed, refused to show ID and made a homophobic comment to the officer. According to the article I've read. Only then does the video start. I didn't hear anyone mention his race on the video except he himself. I just think the whole thing was handled badly by both parties and a huge fuss ensued. That is what I am saying.If you're reading the same article as me then it also goes on to say the officer might have gone too far. Which is surely the point, why are we physically holding anyone for eating a sandwich? He gave him a citation for eating. Laughable but true.
Livia
15-11-2019, 11:13 PM
If you're reading the same article as me then it also goes on to say the officer might have gone too far. Which is surely the point, why are we physically holding anyone for eating a sandwich? He gave him a citation for eating. Laughable but true.
Yeah, the officer went too far, of course he did. But what about the homophonic comment? They both went too far. It is just my interpretation of course, but I think this had more to do with two men having a pissing contest, but one had a badge and that trumps sandwich.
GiRTh
15-11-2019, 11:19 PM
I dont agree the guy went to far. He was angry at being physically held for eating a sandwich, and he's allowed to show such emotion IMO. Why hold him? Whats he gonna do, run away and eat the sandwich down the road? The holding was not reasonable and I can absolutely understand why he was pissed off..
Livia
15-11-2019, 11:33 PM
I dont agree the guy went to far. He was angry at being physically held for eating a sandwich, and he's allowed to show such emotion IMO. Why hold him? Whats he gonna do, run away and eat the sandwich down the road? The holding was not reasonable and I can absolutely understand why he was pissed off..
Like I said, he wasn't being held for eating a sandwich. He was issued a citation for eating a sandwich contrary to Public Health rules clearly signed, and after already having been informed of that by the officer.
He was being held because when the officer issued the citation the bloke kicked off.
GiRTh
15-11-2019, 11:38 PM
Like I said, he wasn't being held for eating a sandwich. He was issued a citation for eating a sandwich contrary to Public Health rules clearly signed, and after already having been informed of that by the officer.
He was being held because when the officer issued the citation the bloke kicked off.In my book he's allowed to kick off for such a stupid charge. I'm quite surprised that as an officer of the courts you've made no comment on how frivolous cases like this take man hours and waste the courts time.
To me, that is the point - As I hinted to above - The incident is now famous, the guy is likely to sue and might win and the police department chiefs have to apologize. All in all, this action simply wasn't worth it.
Niamh.
15-11-2019, 11:47 PM
In my book he's allowed to kick off for such a stupid charge. I'm quite surprised that as an officer of the courts you've made no comment on how frivolous cases like this take man hours and waste the courts time.
To me, that is the point - As I hinted to above - The incident is now famous, the guy is likely to sue and might win and the police department chiefs have to apologize. All in all, this action simply wasn't worth it.Absolutely, I've been to San Francisco, nice place but alot of crime, I would have thought 4 police officers arresting a guy for eating a sandwich was a massive waste of their precious time, that could most certainly have been spent looking for actual crime and criminals
Niamh.
15-11-2019, 11:49 PM
Everything that's happening in the world and you have an officer of the law requesting backup for a man eating a sandwich.
The world's gone mad.PC gone crazy [emoji33]
Niamh.
15-11-2019, 11:50 PM
PC gone crazy [emoji33]And by PC I mean pickled cheese
Kizzy
16-11-2019, 12:51 AM
Yeah, the officer went too far, of course he did. But what about the homophonic comment? They both went too far. It is just my interpretation of course, but I think this had more to do with two men having a pissing contest, but one had a badge and that trumps sandwich.
* homophobic
What a love most about this story is the organised 'eat in' on many platforms afterwards.
...I think the important context to this though, is why Mr Foster was approached in the first place for eating his breakfast sandwich...?....because everything else came after that ...he stated clearly that he didn’t feel detained, he felt harassed because the video is claiming that eating a breakfast sandwich is not an uncommon occurrence and that the police officer had passed many people also eating, to approach Mr Foster...surely for anyone, that would definitely feel like harassment...the officer didn’t explain why he had been singled out and but because he was being questioned...because he had caused and escalated a situation of a guy eating a breakfast sandwich...something that’s apparently commonplace...?...he called for backup ...I can understand why the apologies, this is policing at its worst, surely...and because of police racial stereotyping ...it’s understandable that it’s being questioned in that way as well...
* homophobic
What a love most about this story is the organised 'eat in' on many platforms afterwards.
...and they all became club sandwiches...
...and they all became club sandwiches...
Cop should have club sandwiched the mouthy ****.
...I guess using physical/aggressive force against a breakfast sandwich eater would be a way as well, which would seem quite reasonable...hmmm...
Crimson Dynamo
16-11-2019, 08:47 AM
...I guess using physical/aggressive force against a breakfast sandwich eater would be a way as well, which would seem quite reasonable...hmmm...
the man broke the law
the law is there for a reason
do you wish to encourage people to break the law and be antisocial??
...I would hope that the law would be equal and not be walking passed other sandwiches, to get to a specific one it’s focused on...as claimed in the video...and the eat-in being staged in protest because breakfast sandwich eaters on the platform appear to be a common and regular sight, which is baffling to many...why that particular sandwich offended that particular officer...
Crimson Dynamo
16-11-2019, 09:41 AM
...I would hope that the law would be equal and not be walking passed other sandwiches, to get to a specific one it’s focused on...as claimed in the video...and the eat-in being staged in protest because breakfast sandwich eaters on the platform appear to be a common and regular sight, which is baffling to many...why that particular sandwich offended that particular officer...
the video could be doctored, who made the video, what was their motivation to make one and post it when a man clearly broke the law?
this whole incident tells one more about the maker than the perp
..regardless of the vid, what seems to have been highlighted...is a whole body of train users in agreement that breakfast sandwich eating/coffee drinking/and snacky people etc is something that is seen every morning on the platforms....so being fine with all others, while singling one person out...would be seen as prejudice..if there had been a purge that morning of sandwich eaters across the platforms, then thta would have dismissed any possible prejudice...it’s good to see those every day sandwich eating users coming together in their agreement of this..:lovedup:...while it’s also being addressed by BART...
Crimson Dynamo
16-11-2019, 10:03 AM
Then they need to seek a change politically and democratically and not via vilifying people for doing their job. I feel sorry for the poor persecuted law enforcement officer.
I terrible trial by social media hysteria
...no change is needed to ‘all breakfast sandwich eaters on platforms have equality with no singling out/harassment of one’...the claim is that the officer predetermined his own criticisms when he broke that simple foundation rule of upholding the law equally for everyone with no prejudice perceived...hopefully this will lead to BART and its officers politically and democratically upholding its rules and laws etc with equality for all in the future...:flutter:..
thesheriff443
16-11-2019, 10:45 AM
Nothing like a hot sausage squeezed in between two baps to set you up for the day ahead.
thesheriff443
16-11-2019, 10:47 AM
America has a black and white devide that’s without question.
Like this country’s class devide of upper middle and lower class.
Nicky91
16-11-2019, 11:00 AM
i fail to see what is so wrong about eating a sandwich
also here in my country you got many people eating in public areas, and usually sandwiches but also sometimes French fries
which in my opinion seems ok to do
the only problem i see here is the targetted person being black, and we all know for a long time, police officers in america being racist
so the sandwich ain't the problem here, it's certain police officers who need a talking to, no longer be racist
if law enforcement wants to be respected, make sure we can respect them by being showing more equality, in their punishments, cause i don't think this would've occured if the person was white
Dogeatdog
16-11-2019, 11:58 AM
I’m curious as to why eating food on a station platform is an offence? Seems pretty daft to me. :shrug:
Livia
16-11-2019, 12:07 PM
In my book he's allowed to kick off for such a stupid charge. I'm quite surprised that as an officer of the courts you've made no comment on how frivolous cases like this take man hours and waste the courts time.
To me, that is the point - As I hinted to above - The incident is now famous, the guy is likely to sue and might win and the police department chiefs have to apologize. All in all, this action simply wasn't worth it.
I am not an officer of the courts. This isn't a professional opinion I'm giving or I'd be charging.
I don't believe it was a racially motivated arrest, I believe that he was arrested because he was mouthy and belligerent with the officer. You keep saying that he was arrested for eating a sandwich. I'll say it again... he was cited for eating a sandwich. He was physically held because he kicked off. The fact that he's black is neither here nor there. And not a word from anyone yet about him making a homophobic comment to the officer. He's claiming he was singled out because he was black. That doesn't give him the right to abuse someone else. Maybe next time it would be better to get the whole incident on film, not just the bit they wanted to show.
Like I said, G, just my personal opinion: Not a racist incident, more a pissing contest.
Livia
16-11-2019, 12:08 PM
I’m curious as to why eating food on a station platform is an offence? Seems pretty daft to me. :shrug:
I read that eating and drinking is banned on the trains and the platform for cleanliness, and they made it an offence under Public Health. They also can't smoke. So if this bloke had been smoking and the officer told him to put it out and he ignored the officer.... the outcome would have been the same.
Dogeatdog
16-11-2019, 12:29 PM
I read that eating and drinking is banned on the trains and the platform for cleanliness, and they made it an offence under Public Health. They also can't smoke. So if this bloke had been smoking and the officer told him to put it out and he ignored the officer.... the outcome would have been the same.
It just seems like a really petty rule to have in place. Smoking I understand, but eating just seems a bit over the top.
Tbh I think this whole situation could’ve been avoided if the cop just gave the guy a warning instead of trying to hold him for eating the sandwich in the first place and then calling for back up. Just seems like a huge waste of time.
Livia
16-11-2019, 12:36 PM
It just seems like a really petty rule to have in place. Smoking I understand, but eating just seems a bit over the top.
Tbh I think this whole situation could’ve been avoided if the cop just gave the guy a warning instead of trying to hold him for eating the sandwich in the first place and then calling for back up. Just seems like a huge waste of time.
Well, you don't have to agree with the law. Lots of laws are petty... but they're there for a reason. And the cop did warn him... and he was ignored. That's why it kicked off in my opinion.
It just seems like a really petty rule to have in place. Smoking I understand, but eating just seems a bit over the top.
Tbh I think this whole situation could’ve been avoided if the cop just gave the guy a warning instead of trying to hold him for eating the sandwich in the first place and then calling for back up. Just seems like a huge waste of time.
..I think it’s fine to have the rule, Big E...it’s just applying it equally to all platform eaters is obviously the thing...otherwise it would easily be perceived as harassment and singling out...which is exactly what’s happened in this incident...and also hence the eat in protests which are happening ...as it appears to be so commonplace on the platforms...(...except for Mr Foster, interestingly...hmmmm..)...
Twosugars
16-11-2019, 01:04 PM
..I think it’s fine to have the rule, Big E...it’s just applying it equally to all platform eaters is obviously the thing...otherwise it would easily be perceived as harassment and singling out...which is exactly what’s happened in this incident...and also hence the eat in protests which are happening ...as it appears to be so commonplace on the platforms...(...except for Mr Foster, interestingly...hmmmm..)...
Well said Ammi, blatant discrimination. You dont have to pretend to be a lawyer to see that
Dogeatdog
16-11-2019, 01:11 PM
..I think it’s fine to have the rule, Big E...it’s just applying it equally to all platform eaters is obviously the thing...otherwise it would easily be perceived as harassment and singling out...which is exactly what’s happened in this incident...and also hence the eat in protests which are happening ...as it appears to be so commonplace on the platforms...(...except for Mr Foster, interestingly...hmmmm..)...
But that why I find this rule quite petty though because when you apply them to someone it’s going to come across as singling out especially if their are other people doing it and is just going to cause situations like this one.
GiRTh
16-11-2019, 01:39 PM
I am not an officer of the courts. This isn't a professional opinion I'm giving or I'd be charging.
I don't believe it was a racially motivated arrest, I believe that he was arrested because he was mouthy and belligerent with the officer. You keep saying that he was arrested for eating a sandwich. I'll say it again... he was cited for eating a sandwich. He was physically held because he kicked off. The fact that he's black is neither here nor there. And not a word from anyone yet about him making a homophobic comment to the officer. He's claiming he was singled out because he was black. That doesn't give him the right to abuse someone else. Maybe next time it would be better to get the whole incident on film, not just the bit they wanted to show.
Like I said, G, just my personal opinion: Not a racist incident, more a pissing contest.Not an offence.
The level of self control expected from the untrained public when dealing with the trained police is extraordinary. Eric Garner simply moved his hand and was then piled on by 8 police all shouting that he was resisting arrest. The officer tried to grab his hand, Garner moved it away then - 'I cant breathe, I cant breathe, I cant breathe'.
These aggressive policing polices baffle me, so when this guys sues I hope he wins and the police reconsider where these polices are getting them other than fired, in court or on the news.
Kizzy
16-11-2019, 02:22 PM
I’m curious as to why eating food on a station platform is an offence? Seems pretty daft to me. :shrug:
I'd say it would be to minimise the amount of lawsuits filed due to slip related injury on the platform.
The rule is not being enforced consistently though that's obvious, hence the protests on the platform fir attempting to make an example of one guy.
Kizzy
16-11-2019, 02:27 PM
Glad you brought that up Girth meant to mention that.. why would you have to be mealy mouthed to the police for fear of arrest? No offence was committed so there was no grounds for arrest :/
Where is this homophobic comment? Surely if the guy was being so offensive the other platform eaters wouldn't have been so supportive.
Livia
16-11-2019, 02:55 PM
Not an offence.
The level of self control expected from the untrained public when dealing with the trained police is extraordinary. Eric Garner simply moved his hand and was then piled on by 8 police all shouting that he was resisting arrest. The officer tried to grab his hand, Garner moved it away then - 'I cant breathe, I cant breathe, I cant breathe'.
These aggressive policing polices baffle me, so when this guys sues I hope he wins and the police reconsider where these polices are getting them other than fired, in court or on the news.
I have never said that the police officer did nothing wrong. I said they both overreacted.
Being belligerent is not against the law, you're right. Refusing to show ID and using a homophobic slur is.
When are you going to comment on the man making a homophobic comment to the officer?
GiRTh
16-11-2019, 03:04 PM
I havent commented because we didnt see it. IF it happened then its appalling.
Twice in the video the officer says he's under arrest for 'eating' and one other time he says for 'resisting arrest'. He never mentions ID. So did he ask him for ID once only? Seems unlikely.
I will only comment on the video.
The Slim Reaper
16-11-2019, 03:06 PM
I havent commented because we didnt see it. IF it happened then its appalling.
Twice in the video the officer says he's under arrest for 'eating' and one other time he says for 'resisting arrest'. He never mentions ID. So did he ask him for ID once only? Seems unlikely.
I will only comment on the video.
It's not against the law to refuse to show ID in California.
Livia
16-11-2019, 03:08 PM
I havent commented because we didnt see it. IF it happened then its appalling.
Twice in the video the officer says he's under arrest for 'eating' and one other time he says for 'resisting arrest'. He never mentions ID. So did he ask him for ID once only? Seems unlikely.
I will only comment on the video.
I guess the video was recorded just for that reason. I'd rather know what happened first, than assuming the man with the sandwich was being racially singled out, and that the cop was a racist. And if evidence comes to light that this man was racially singled out, I'll be the first to condemn it.
We're going round is circles now, G. Good to chat with you again though.... it's been ages.
Kizzy
16-11-2019, 03:11 PM
It's helpful to comment on what was said. .. not what you think was said.
I havent commented because we didnt see it. IF it happened then its appalling.
Twice in the video the officer says he's under arrest for 'eating' and one other time he says for 'resisting arrest'. He never mentions ID. So did he ask him for ID once only? Seems unlikely.
I will only comment on the video.
...I think for me also, Girth...on several occasions we hear a police officer say..’stop resisting arrest’...and yet we don’t see any resistance at all to the handcuffing/detaining...all we see is a man questioning it and saying that he was feeling harassed ...so without knowing what the apparent ‘homophobic slur’ was, it’s only an interpretation of something from the police officers, surely..and their interpretations of ‘resisting arrest’ seem a bit skewed to me....unless the comment is on a witness’s vid or something...?..in which case it’ll be something that’s presented in the inquiry....?...
Livia
16-11-2019, 03:21 PM
It isn't against the law not to show ID in California, although it is in some other states. I neve said he was detained only for now showing his ID, but it was mentioned in the article I read, and I'm thinking it was just one of the things the man did or said that led to him being detained.
But people really don't know for sure what happened, and the man was never arrested anyway. So I'm willing to bet that refusing to show his ID was just one of the things he did, along with a probable homophobic slur and ignoring a request from the officer.
GiRTh
16-11-2019, 03:38 PM
Glad you brought that up Girth meant to mention that.. why would you have to be mealy mouthed to the police for fear of arrest? No offence was committed so there was no grounds for arrest :/
Where is this homophobic comment? Surely if the guy was being so offensive the other platform eaters wouldn't have been so supportive.YEah, its strange the public are expected to quickly comply to police officers and obey their instructions without any dissent. Belligerence toward the police is not a good idea :joker: but its also not a crime.
It's not against the law to refuse to show ID in California.I didnt know that. Makes me now think he's definitely going to sue.
I guess the video was recorded just for that reason. I'd rather know what happened first, than assuming the man with the sandwich was being racially singled out, and that the cop was a racist. And if evidence comes to light that this man was racially singled out, I'll be the first to condemn it.
We're going round is circles now, G. Good to chat with you again though.... it's been ages.As the article we both read stated 'Context is key'. If he used homophobic slurs then we'll find out soon enough but based on the video this was huge waste of everyones time.
Good to chat with you too, its definitely been too long :thumbs:
The Slim Reaper
16-11-2019, 03:42 PM
That's a roller coaster of not knowing versus what you think and you're willing to bet, when I always believed the law was about what could be proved? :shrug: If refusal to show ID is not against the law, then by definition it can't be "just one of the things he did..."
There are no figures for 2019 that I can find but between 2016-18, California paid out around $450m for police misconduct.
Kizzy
16-11-2019, 03:52 PM
It isn't against the law not to show ID in California, although it is in some other states. I neve said he was detained only for now showing his ID, but it was mentioned in the article I read, and I'm thinking it was just one of the things the man did or said that led to him being detained.
But people really don't know for sure what happened, and the man was never arrested anyway. So I'm willing to bet that refusing to show his ID was just one of the things he did, along with a probable homophobic slur and ignoring a request from the officer.
Why probable?
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