Reasons to vote Labour!

[Kizzy]

What are we expecting from Labour's manifesto launch?

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Here's a useful rundown of what to expect in what the party is billing as it's most radical manifesto from the Press Association

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- NHS

Labour*has pledged to outspend the Tories in the key battleground by spending an extra £26 billion to rebuild "crumbling" hospitals and improve patient care.

A boost of an annual average of 4.3% in real-terms investment over the next four years has been promised to take the total Department of Health budget to £178 billion in 2023-24.

Dental check-ups and prescriptions would also become free for everyone in England.

- Brexit

Within three months a new deal with Brussels would be brokered, one that would see the UK remaining in the customs union and having access to the single market.

Then, within six months of electoral victory, the deal would be put to the public in a referendum along with the option to remain in the EU.

- Wages

The minimum wage would rise to £10-an-hour for everyone, including under-18s.

This plan forms part of*Labour's war on poverty and its pledge to end the gender pay gap by 2030.

- Scotland

More than £70 billion of investment would head north of the border.

Opposition to another independence referendum is almost certain, though Mr Corbyn has not ruled out one taking place if there is the support in Scotland.

- Utilities

There is likely to be the commitment to bring the rail network back into public ownership as current franchises expire.

Bringing other utilities such as energy supply networks back into public control is also expected, as is the reversal of the privatisation of Royal Mail.

Local authorities would be given the power to bring bus services back into public control.

- Broadband

Every home and business would get free full-fibre internet by 2030 as*Labour*brings part of BT into public ownership to create a nationalised "British broadband service".

- Taxation

The top 5% of earners would pay more to fund public services, though the details are not yet clear.

Labour*would shut down "tax tricks" by going after multinational corporations with a tax on their sales, workforce and operations as a share of their global activity.

- Education

Every adult would be entitled to six years of free study as part of its "cradle-to-grave" national education service, which would scrap university tuition fees and boost technical training.

Class sizes would be cut for five to seven-year-olds, 30 hours of free childcare would be given to all two to four-year-olds and new Sure Start children's centres would be opened.

- Housing

Labour*is pledging to end the housing crisis by building 150,000 council and social homes a year in England within half a decade.

Some £75 billion of borrowing would be spent in five years to construct council and affordable housing in a massive boost from current building rates.

- Working week

A 32-hour working week would be introduced within 10 years with no loss to workers' pay.*Labour*expects this would be paid for by a boost to productivity.

- Immigration

Freedom of movement would continue if Remain won another referendum under*Labour. But, if Leave won again, restrictions could be imposed.

Mr Corbyn said he would not commit to "arbitrary" targets as he highlighted the necessity of migrant workers to the economy, particularly the NHS.

- Environment

The climate crisis has been at the forefront of*Labour's thinking in most of its pledges as it tries to make the economy carbon neutral by an as-yet unknown year.

But as part of its "green industrial revolution" it has also pledged 320,000 climate apprenticeships and billions in spending to upgrade every home to be energy efficient.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-manifesto-live-corbyn-speech-election-nhs-housing-green-new-deal-a9211641.html

[bots]

the funny thing is that many of these can also be categorised as reasons to not vote labour :laugh:

[Marsh.]

the funny thing is that many of these can also be categorised as reasons to not vote labour :laugh:

Yes, I mean who on earth wants an improvement to health care and education.

[Liam-]

the funny thing is that many of these can also be categorised as reasons to not vote labour :laugh:

Aye, let’s let the NHS crumble, let homelessness continue to rise and continue to **** the envirovemnt, up the Tories!

[Kizzy]

the funny thing is that many of these can also be categorised as reasons to not vote labour :laugh:

Ok.. care to explain how?

[Oliver_W]

I don't agree with scrapping private schools - my opinion is we should get rid of second class, not first class. Make normie schools so good that there's no point in going private.

Building 150k a year isn't very green tbh, the countryside should be preserved.

[Cherie]

Well lets hope they put a clause in that social housing can't be sold off in the future

[Livia]

Quite, Cherie. I thought that's one of the things Labour would have reversed under Blair.

They've been promising smaller class sizes since I was at school, and probably long before that. Don't know why anyone would imagine they'd actually do it this time.

[Kizzy]

Live link :)

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[Elliot]

Iconic

[Livia]

Soviet....

[Livia]

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[Oliver_W]

This is completely shallow and irrelevant, but Corbyn's pouty mouth and eyebrows when he's talking really creep me out.

[The Slim Reaper]

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Ahh yes, removing Corbyns anti-racist, anti-apartheid message to replace it with something made up is completely on brand.

I guess diminishing black people isn't a problem for a millionaire tv star.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Livia]

Ahh yes, removing Corbyns anti-racist, anti-apartheid message to replace it with something made up is completely on brand.

I guess diminishing black people isn't a problem for a millionaire tv star.

What does that all even mean?

All us Jews have it wrong. All the people that have protested... wrong. Because this guy who I don't even know (probably... ) on a Big Brother forum told me.

[Grim Reaper]

None unless we all want someone who looks like Catweasle to be our PM and represent us to the world! :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

What does that all even mean?

All us Jews have it wrong. All the people that have protested... wrong. Because this guy who I don't even know (probably... ) on a Big Brother forum told me.

What Rachel Riley did was not about anti semitism or racism. Do you know what was actually on the board worn around Corbyns neck?

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When you're trying to make a point about racism, then using an anti-apartheid protest to do it, might not be the most appropriate or honest way to do it.

I've said that anti-semitism is a problem in labour and I wish corbyn would have handled it more expeditiously, but this is a humanity problem, and trying to hammer home this as though it's only labour shows that there is no honesty around this discussion, and frankly, it shows me that there is no real concern for injustice. I gave you 2 recent examples of tory candidates being suspended for anti semitism, and all you said was that you don't support them. Now, if they were labour candidates...

It's pretty simple.

Not all jews hate corbyn, as well you know. Are they wrong?

[Zizu]

None unless we all want someone who looks like Catweasle to be our PM and represent us to the world! :shrug:



He could take his ex girlfriend away on business trips and other events ..

How impressive would Corbyn and Abbott look as they represented us all on trips abroad ..


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[Kizzy]

Well lets hope they put a clause in that social housing can't be sold off in the future

Maybe they will, as you know I purchased my post war prefab recently. It is defective housing stock that was only erected initially for a period not to exceed 25yrs, the internal walls are plasterboard containing asbestos.
It was perhaps unethical to sell off these properties, but to keep and bring them up to modern day standards would have cost more than the house is worth.

The proposed new council houses will be built to a much higher greener spec, and if there is no threat of unsecured tenancies or spare room taxes then there will be no need to buy them.

[Kizzy]

What does that all even mean?

All us Jews have it wrong. All the people that have protested... wrong. Because this guy who I don't even know (probably... ) on a Big Brother forum told me.

You can't deny there is Jewish support for Corbyn, not from you clearly but even you can't speak for everyone.

Have you a view on the manifesto? Making statements like 'soviet' is not explanatory.

[Kizzy]

None unless we all want someone who looks like Catweasle to be our PM and represent us to the world! :shrug:

What an odd thing to say... what has personal appearance got to do with policy? What do you think of his plans for the post office?

[King Gizzard]

Ahh yes, removing Corbyns anti-racist, anti-apartheid message to replace it with something made up is completely on brand.

I guess diminishing black people isn't a problem for a millionaire tv star.

This was a disgrace. I can’t stand her.

[King Gizzard]

**** the Tory Party

[Livia]

What Rachel Riley did was not about anti semitism or racism. Do you know what was actually on the board worn around Corbyns neck?

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When you're trying to make a point about racism, then using an anti-apartheid protest to do it, might not be the most appropriate or honest way to do it.

I've said that anti-semitism is a problem in labour and I wish corbyn would have handled it more expeditiously, but this is a humanity problem, and trying to hammer home this as though it's only labour shows that there is no honesty around this discussion, and frankly, it shows me that there is no real concern for injustice. I gave you 2 recent examples of tory candidates being suspended for anti semitism, and all you said was that you don't support them. Now, if they were labour candidates...

It's pretty simple.

Not all jews hate corbyn, as well you know. Are they wrong?

Listen, you made a Jew joke I found offensive. I said I didn't really want to talk to you any more. Why are you still talking to me? You seem to need some kind of statement from me about Conservative bigots... they're bigots. Like Labour bigots... they're no different.

Is that enough information for you? Or am I going to have to break it down into words of one syllable?

[Kizzy]

What does that all even mean?

All us Jews have it wrong. All the people that have protested... wrong. Because this guy who I don't even know (probably... ) on a Big Brother forum told me.

Listen, you made a Jew joke I found offensive. I said I didn't really want to talk to you any more. Why are you still talking to me? You seem to need some kind of statement from me about Conservative bigots... they're bigots. Like Labour bigots... they're no different.

Is that enough information for you? Or am I going to have to break it down into words of one syllable?
They're responding because you asked them a question... have you a view on this manifesto or not?

[The Slim Reaper]

Listen, you made a Jew joke I found offensive. I said I didn't really want to talk to you any more. Why are you still talking to me? You seem to need some kind of statement from me about Conservative bigots... they're bigots. Like Labour bigots... they're no different.

Is that enough information for you? Or am I going to have to break it down into words of one syllable?

If you make a post on the forum I want to respond to, I'll respond to it. If you don't want to reply, then don't. What would be the point of us just agreeing with posters we agree with? How would that benefit discussion in any way?

You don't get to dictate who, what, and where people can post and it's bizarre that you keep thinking that you can. If you don't want to reply to me, then don't. I absolutely support your right to ignore me.

[Liam-]

Rachel Riley once again proving she doesn’t really care about facts, just her own personal agenda, Tories love doctoring things don’t they?

[Denver]

What he hasn't said is that rising the minimum wage to £10 an hour will leave more people out of work and the cost of living will skyrocket

[Twosugars]

What he hasn't said is that rising the minimum wage to £10 an hour will leave more people out of work and the cost of living will skyrocket

Any proof of that?

[Denver]

Any proof of that?

Small business cant afford to give every staff a tenner an hour and that is fact and bigger businesses would cut down the number of staff

[Twosugars]

Small business cant afford to give every staff a tenner an hour and that is fact and bigger businesses would cut down the number of staff

Bc you say so.
Provide links to a credible expert assessment

[Liam-]

Small business cant afford to give every staff a tenner an hour and that is fact and bigger businesses would cut down the number of staff

Bigger businesses like Asda and so forth, can afford it because they already criminally underpay people as it is

[Denver]

Bc you say so.
Provide links to a credible expert assessment

So you think business that are struggling to break even can afford an extra few quid an hour per staff?


this plan would destroy the high street more then it already has, wage increase has to be done gradually

[Oliver_W]

Bigger businesses like Asda and so forth, can afford it because they already criminally underpay people as it is

Sure they can afford it, but when big businesses are faced with higher running costs, it sure as hell ain't the fatcats who lose out. They'd rather keep paying themselves and their shareholders the same amount and have fewer staff, than take a paycut to give them more money.

[Kizzy]

Tories spread more lies and disinformation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-fake-labour-manifesto-website-fact-check-general-election-a9212076.html

[Kizzy]

Sure they can afford it, but when big businesses are faced with higher running costs, it sure as hell ain't the fatcats who lose out. They'd rather keep paying themselves and their shareholders the same amount and have fewer staff, than take a paycut to give them more money.

So when customer satisfaction falls consumers can vote with their feet and shop elsewhere.

[Liam-]

Sure they can afford it, but when big businesses are faced with higher running costs, it sure as hell ain't the fatcats who lose out. They'd rather keep paying themselves and their shareholders the same amount and have fewer staff, than take a paycut to give them more money.

Sure, but if they cut staff to save a tiny bit of money to them, that’ll be very bad publicity for them when they reveal their end of year pay rises to the big guys, plus, less staff means worse service, which leads to bad words spreading, which eventually leads to less people shopping there, they’d be better off just complying, I personally think if a big business like Asda refused to adhere to it, then their taxes should be raised to they can contribute to society that way instead, make it hard for them to dodge, they’d probably pay up then

[Beso]

The man's a clown, end off.

[The Slim Reaper]

It's always heartening when normal folks try to protect the rights of businesses over themselves. I know it's counter intuitive, but when you give minimum wage folks pay increases, they invest that money straight into the local economy.

That's how economics should and used to work. You give the money to the folks at the bottom so they can afford to buy the things they're making, supplying etc.

The current model is based on being as friendly to business as possible, and hoping that they pay a living wage; spoiler alert - they won't.

When you put more money into the economy, then there is a higher potential to increase the profits of local businesses rather than reduce them.

The people at the bottom aren't investing their massive wage hike on yachts or a property portfolio. They spend it on the things they need to survive, like clothes for their children, food, maybe even afford a night in the pub. That money goes straight back into the economy.

[Kizzy]

Brilliant point, with supermarkets like Asda which pride themselves on being low priced their employees are their target market... so whatever they pay them they're more than likely be getting back anyway :/

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/13/20690266/seattle-minimum-wage-15-dollars

A Taco Bell in the Ballard neighborhood of Seattle shut down a couple hours early in the spring of 2013. All three employees and one off-shift worker walked off the job to protest low wages and work conditions. One of them was Caroline Durocher, a 21-year-old Taco Bell employee, who said the decision was “easy.”

“What we’re getting right now isn’t fair and not right,” she told the Stranger, in reference to her wage of $9.19 an hour, then the city-wide minimum wage. “It’s easy to not think about the person serving you your food.” The very next day, a Burger King, two Subways, and a Chipotle all shut down after employees continued to walk out.

Durocher was part of a nationwide wave of labor activism among the traditionally scattered and disorganized fast-food workforce, made up of largely low-wage workers at the mercy of fast-food franchise owners who set their schedules and pay. The walkouts would eventually help lead to Seattle passing a historic policy that continues to serve as an example to politicians and researchers to this day.

Seattle’s minimum wage hike, which would jack up wages to $15 an hour by 2017 for companies with more than 500 employees, was passed five years ago by the City Council. By 2021, at which time the $15 wage would be phased in for all employers, it would be the highest minimum wage in the country, well north of Washington’s already relatively high wage of just over $9. “Worker voices and folks taking to the street shifted the conversation about it and made the policy feasible,” Rachel Lauter, the executive director of Working Washington, an activist group that helped organize the protests, said.

Today, Seattle’s wage is at $16 for large employers, and $15 for all other employers (unless they provide a certain level of medical benefits or employee tips, which allows them to knock it down to $12 an hour). It remains one of the highest in the country, and a useful case study as we head into a presidential election where a higher minimum wage has become the standard policy position for Democratic candidates.

At the time the Seattle bill was passed, the federal minimum wage had stagnated at $7.25 since 2009, where it still is today. While minimum wage increases are generally popular with voters, they also tend to kick up extreme opposition from business owners, who warn of massive job losses and killing off new businesses. It’s one reason why the minimum wage has stayed so low nationally.

Seattle was a natural place for this progressive policy to pass. It is both a very wealthy city with fairly liberal politics — ranging from socially liberal businesspeople to a democratic socialist on the city council — and a high level of union penetration and a history of disruptive labor activism that goes back to its 1919 general strike. But the bill faced a fair share of opposition. Employers, like restaurant owners, raised the alarm that the new wage would force them to close businesses, raise prices, fire workers, or move their businesses outside of the city limits.

When the policy went into effect in 2015, Seattle’s minimum wage became not only the highest in the nation, but likely the most studied. A group of researchers at the University of Washington, with support from philanthropic groups, have been examining the effects of the wage increase on workers’ hours and take-home pay as well as business closures and the price of some goods like groceries.

What the researchers have found over the last few years is quite a mixed story.

How it worked:

Policymakers are still looking at Seattle as a case study in how a high minimum wage could actually work in practice. The results are complex. But here’s what happened.

Generally, those business owners who threatened to leave Seattle to evade the new wage haven’t been following through. “The restaurant industry moans and groans about minimum wage increase, but the Seattle newspaper every month has a story about 40 new restaurants opening,” said Jennifer Romich, a University of Washington social policy researcher. (According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the number of jobs in restaurants and bars in the Seattle area has grown from 134,000 to 158,000 since 2015.) Surveying employers, Romich and other researchers found the most common response to the wage increase was to raise prices or fiddle with workers’ hours, and a “very small percentage were thinking about withdrawing or leaving the city.”

The story for employees is much more varied. The minimum wage for some large employers jumped from $11 to $13 from 2015 to 2016. The economists observed the impact of the hike in 2017 and found it had dramatic effects on the low-wage workforce and employment.

Not all of them were good. They found that the policy “reduced hours worked in low-wage jobs by 6-7 percent, while hourly wages in such jobs increased by 3 percent ... consequently, total payroll for such jobs decreased.” That means the total amount that employers paid to workers was less with the new minimum wage in place than projected payroll if the policy hadn’t gone into effect.

The data, researcher Mark C. Long explained, suggested a “tipping point” between $11 and $13 “when it becomes less tenable to keep work in the city.” (Critics were quick to point out that this likely wasn’t solely due to the minimum wage policy — Seattle’s labor market continued to heat up during that period, reducing the number of low-wage jobs compared to high-wage jobs overall.)

But a year later, the team published another paper that complicated their findings. They looked at the same time period and same wage increase, but this time broke down the actual take-home pay of workers. They found that workers who were already employed at the low end of the wage scale in Seattle “enjoyed significantly more rapid hourly wage growth,” following wage increases in 2015 and 2016.

Those who were already working more hours before the wage increase saw “essentially all of the earnings increases,” while the workers who had fewer hours saw their hours go down, but wages go up enough so that their overall earnings didn’t really change. They theorized that a slowdown in new hiring for low-wage jobs could explain their earlier findings that overall payroll had gone down.

Ultimately, workers already employed either saw their take-home pay go up or stay roughly the same while working fewer hours.

Critics of the UW researchers have seized on Seattle’s uniqueness to discount the UW findings. Ben Zipperer of the liberal Economic Policy Institute wrote that the UW research is based on a “flawed comparison” between Seattle and the rest of the state. He argued that the decline in low wage jobs was due to a hot economy boosting low-wage jobs into high-wage jobs, not the new minimum wage. The data did show, Zipperer argued, that all of the workers they studied were “better off after the minimum wage increase” — higher-hour workers earned more with a higher wage while the low-hour workers got the same pay for less work.

There are still questions about the policy’s impact that are harder to observe, such as new employees who may or may not have been hired had the minimum wage been lower. And of course, the question of whether this would work in any other city remains. “I take this research as a cautionary tale for other cities like Seattle,” Long said, noting that Seattle’s booming labor market, especially at the high end and in technology, “is a very particular thing.”

What all sides would agree on is that the people advocating for a higher minimum wage — those among the already employed like Caroline Durocher who went on strike six years ago — were right to do so.

It's not 100% fool proof because nothing ever is, but it's a fairer way to go about helping people live than the current model

[GoldHeart]

the funny thing is that many of these can also be categorised as reasons to not vote labour :laugh:

Ridiculous statement , unless you're a Torie supporter who wants everything privatised & wants the NHS & Education system to crumble :bored:

[The Slim Reaper]

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[King Gizzard]

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Meanwhile the T*ries are refusing access to the mirror

[King Gizzard]

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[Cherie]

Maybe they will, as you know I purchased my post war prefab recently. It is defective housing stock that was only erected initially for a period not to exceed 25yrs, the internal walls are plasterboard containing asbestos.
It was perhaps unethical to sell off these properties, but to keep and bring them up to modern day standards would have cost more than the house is worth.

The proposed new council houses will be built to a much higher greener spec, and if there is no threat of unsecured tenancies or spare room taxes then there will be no need to buy them.

Yes it is, did you pay market value? or did you get a deal from your Council

[Liam-]

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Meanwhile the T*ries are refusing access to the mirror

A man of class and honour our Jez

[Kizzy]

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Meanwhile the T*ries are refusing access to the mirror

I saw that because the mirror hasn't been supportive of the pm :/

[arista]

Some Balance on this thread

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[Kizzy]

Some Balance on this thread

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It doesn't need balance from mogg thankyou arista!

[arista]

It doesn't need balance from mogg thankyou arista!


Big Error Kizzy
forget that MP

Paul Johnson gave a Solid Interview
press play

[arista]

More Fair Balance
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[Kizzy]

I have watched it , we as a collective will have to pay for it? ..well by the same token and for balance that goes equally for tax cuts to business and NI insurance, things don't cost less and public services aren't as necessary if some pay less... the money has to come from somewhere, we end up paying somewhere down the line.

[arista]

I have watched it , we as a collective will have to pay for it? ..well by the same token and for balance that goes equally for tax cuts to business and NI insurance, things don't cost less and public services aren't as necessary if some pay less... the money has to come from somewhere, we end up paying somewhere down the line.


Do you feel Jeremy Corbyn
can win?

[Nicky91]

it are pretty good reasons to vote labour


and when brexit has caused nothing but pain in the arse for the last 3 (nearly 4 years) it should either be sorted asap with a deal, or being revoked and then trying to have more serious input in the EU, and being more respected by the rest of europe

[Kizzy]

Do you feel Jeremy Corbyn
can win?

Id like to hope he can yes of course. Look at the alternative, it might seem radical what he's proposing but look at what we have... skeleton services, crime, poverty and homelessness.I say it's a brave new world, even if it does smack of the 70s who cares?

[Grim Reaper]

What an odd thing to say... what has personal appearance got to do with policy? What do you think of his plans for the post office?

Well I would like his plans for Royal Mail (nothing to do with Post Office btw) if I thought he stood any chance of following through,,pardon the expression! :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i literally am amazed that anyone still believes anything printed in a manifesto

its all BS to get elected

[Grim Reaper]

i literally am amazed that anyone still believes anything printed in a manifesto

its all BS to get elected

We are in agreement LT if we listen to the utter B#@@ocks from any of them then we can expect to have achieved Nirvana on Dec 13th!

[The Slim Reaper]

We are in agreement LT if we listen to the utter B#@@ocks from any of them then we can expect to have achieved Nirvana on Dec 13th!

They're not all the same though. You can say you don't care about childhood poverty, food banks, and the decimation of industry in this country, and you're voting for another reason altogether, but saying they're all the same so **** it, is flat out wrong.

[Nicky91]

i literally am amazed that anyone still believes anything printed in a manifesto

its all BS to get elected

the same can be said about the Tories then, and about literally any political party


and this coming from someone anti-labour doesn't surprise me at all, just a silly attempt at bringing labour down

[Twosugars]

We are in agreement LT if we listen to the utter B#@@ocks from any of them then we can expect to have achieved Nirvana on Dec 13th!

No. Nirvana will only happen when we brexit. Do or die in a ditch

[Crimson Dynamo]

We are in agreement LT if we listen to the utter B#@@ocks from any of them then we can expect to have achieved Nirvana on Dec 13th!

agreed they are all the same

utter BS to get people importance/status and more money (politicians)

[Kizzy]

Well I would like his plans for Royal Mail (nothing to do with Post Office btw) if I thought he stood any chance of following through,,pardon the expression! :laugh:

Sorry yes should've said royal mail, why hasn't he the chance? Give him the chance.
What's the point of being so peed off with your lot in life re your job. Then, when theres someone saying they'll make it better ignoring them?...it makes no sense.

[Kizzy]

i literally am amazed that anyone still believes anything printed in a manifesto

its all BS to get elected
Well that's not true is it..the Tories said they would deliver austerity and they have, they austerity theyve provided has driven the country into the fecking floor!

[Elliot]

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Tea. It’s so frustrating seeing the working class vote Tories. They couldn’t give a **** about anyone other than the top 1% and keeping it that way, and they don’t even try that hard to be dishonest about it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tea. It’s so frustrating seeing the working class vote Tories. They couldn’t give a **** about anyone other than the top 1% and keeping it that way, and they don’t even try that hard to be dishonest about it.

you do realise that there is a rather large middle class in the UK?

[Kizzy]

Tea. It’s so frustrating seeing the working class vote Tories. They couldn’t give a **** about anyone other than the top 1% and keeping it that way, and they don’t even try that hard to be dishonest about it.

I have no problem with conservative values and the sociological perspective they had, the new right. It was all family values, law and order, and living within your means.
This bastardisation we have on the tory benches are not those conservatives. They are the mugwai fed after midnight of the right wing. Maybe the people still voting conservative are holding onto the old values... :/

[Oliver_W]

Sure, but if they cut staff to save a tiny bit of money to them, that’ll be very bad publicity for them when they reveal their end of year pay rises to the big guys, plus, less staff means worse service, which leads to bad words spreading, which eventually leads to less people shopping there, they’d be better off just complying, I personally think if a big business like Asda refused to adhere to it, then their taxes should be raised to they can contribute to society that way instead, make it hard for them to dodge, they’d probably pay up then

So when customer satisfaction falls consumers can vote with their feet and shop elsewhere.

Oh I agree completely, if they really do lay off staff due to minimum wage rise, or having to pay higher taxes, they totally deserve to lose all their customers.

I'm not saying that minimum wage shouldn't be raised, I'm saying it's likely there'll be consequences for the employees and/or customers.

[arista]

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For Kizzy.

[Kizzy]

It's perfect thank you :D

[Grim Reaper]

Sorry yes should've said royal mail, why hasn't he the chance? Give him the chance.
What's the point of being so peed off with your lot in life re your job. Then, when theres someone saying they'll make it better ignoring them?...it makes no sense.

I agree Kizzy the trouble is, and this is where I agree with LT, that all these promises (on all sides) will all be broken or at best be postponed to some distant future. Especially all these ideas from Labour because they will waste at least another year on Brexit before getting to any of these fantastic proposals!

[The Slim Reaper]

I agree Kizzy the trouble is, and this is where I agree with LT, that all these promises (on all sides) will all be broken or at best be postponed to some distant future. Especially all these ideas from Labour because they will waste at least another year on Brexit before getting to any of these fantastic proposals!

I hate to break it to you, but even if BJ gets his deal through by the end of next year, there will then be 5-10 years of trade negotiations dealing with the fallout of brexit, so they won't get anything done.

There is no quick fix or #getbrexitdone.

[Grim Reaper]

agreed they are all the same

utter BS to get people importance/status and more money (politicians)

Yeah and most people of who have a few years under their belt have lived through countless elections and are well aware that it is common/easy for all the parties involved to make all kinds of fantastical claims which never come to fruition!

[Kizzy]

I agree Kizzy the trouble is, and this is where I agree with LT, that all these promises (on all sides) will all be broken or at best be postponed to some distant future. Especially all these ideas from Labour because they will waste at least another year on Brexit before getting to any of these fantastic proposals!

They've said 3 months but so what, what if it does take a year? Who cares.. it takes as long as it takes. It's a big deal I would rather it take 5yrs and have a good deal than rush a bad one.
( not suggesting Labour will take 5yrs)

[bots]

Historically, it usually the lib dems that make all the outlandish promises and can do so because the never end up in power. That changed when they got into coalition, so they have toned down since then .... but now I think the Tories or labour will just blag it if they win. They can always blame it on brexit or the world economy, which is why they think they can promise the earth in this election.

[Kazanne]

I will never vote Labour while Corbyn is their leader. We have to sort Brexit out ,before the country can move on, as it will always stand in the way of the things that need sorting,that is why Boris is keen to get it done and concentrates on it so much.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They've said 3 months but so what, what if it does take a year? Who cares.. it takes as long as it takes. It's a big deal I would rather it take 5yrs and have a good deal than rush a bad one.
( not suggesting Labour will take 5yrs)

I hope you saw the first question on QT last night?


:joker:


bullseye

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14512/production/_109781238_guardian22nov.jpg

A front page for Kizzy
and Twosugars.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/81C2/production/_109781233_ft22nov.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/E87E/production/_109781595_thetimes22nov.jpg

[The Slim Reaper]

The spending proposed by Corbyn is less than a host of other major European countries are spending. The good thing about this country, is that the super-wealthy have the not-wealthy-at-all to protect them over and above their own interests.

[Kizzy]

The spending proposed by Corbyn is less than a host of other major European countries are spending. The good thing about this country, is that the super-wealthy have the not-wealthy-at-all to protect them over and above their own interests.

All these ragged trousered philanthropists, history really does just repeat itself doesn't it?

[arista]

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[Livia]

Jamelia, Arista? Seriously?

[Kizzy]

Why are channel 4 interviewing people who think plumbers earn 80k pa? :/

[Kazanne]

Jamelia, Arista? Seriously?

:joker::joker::joker::joker: have a word with him Livia.:laugh:

[Kizzy]

Yes it is, did you pay market value? or did you get a deal from your Council
There is a discount it is nationwide and depends on the time you have spent as a council tenant.
I have explained this to you before cherie, is there another point you are trying to make with your questioning?

[Kizzy]

https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PRC_99086373-012d.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=644%2C338&ssl=1

For balance.

'What about Jeremy Corbyn himself? It is certainly true that he was too careless with his words and company before he became Labour leader; since then, he has been too defensive in the face of legitimate challenge, and too quick to assume bad faith on the part of his critics. For these reasons he was much too slow to acknowledge the problem and respond to it. It is an enormous leap, however, to claim that he is personally antisemitic. There is*significant evidence*to suggest that he is not. And there is no evidence that he poses any kind of risk to Britain’s Jews.'

'A common response to this is that a Labour victory would embolden racists. Certainly, the antisemitic fringe on the left might cheer. But as the recent attacks on synagogues in*Pittsburgh*and*Halle*illustrate, the gravest and most palpable danger to Jewish people comes not from the far left but the far right.'

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/22/jewish-voting-labour-antisemitism-progressive-government

[Cherie]

There is a discount it is nationwide and depends on the time you have spent as a council tenant.
I have explained this to you before cherie, is there another point you are trying to make with your questioning?

Surprised given you rail against the I’m alright Jacks but you are one of them and dressing it up as if you are doing everyone a favour :thumbs:

[Kizzy]

Surprised given you rail against the I’m alright Jacks but you are one of them and dressing it up as if you are doing everyone a favour :thumbs:

You're not surprised, we've had this conversation before. You are using the concerns I had as a stick to beat me with. I explained at the time how conflicted it made me feel due to the lack of social housing.
I had a lifetime tenancy, therefore the house is mine untill I no longer require a house, when would that have been cherie? It is also my sons home.

How does lIving in my house suggest 'I'm alright jack'? I would be here tenant or resident :/
I haven't dressed it up in any way, I've been very open and honest about it.

Do you have any views on the manifesto while you're here, or is your attempt at character assassination enough?

[arista]

Jamelia, Arista? Seriously?



Yes she is not a Top Example
but the others setting at that Ch4HDnews shopping centre, last night
got their say in that clip


Jamelia
trying to get a TV job
I think.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why are channel 4 interviewing people who think plumbers earn 80k pa? :/

what idiots we all know they earn £210,000

https://www.ladbible.com/community/uk-inspirational-self-employed-london-plumber-earns-210000-a-year-in-his-mid-30s-20180204

[The Slim Reaper]

Average salary of a plumber in London is just over £17/hr (£35-40k/pa)

[Twosugars]

Surprised given you rail against the I’m alright Jacks but you are one of them and dressing it up as if you are doing everyone a favour :thumbs:

It's called having a conscience.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Average salary of a plumber in London is just over £17/hr (£35-40k/pa)

the average age of tibb is 19, what age are you?

[The Slim Reaper]

the average age of tibb is 19, what age are you?

The relevance?

[arista]

Labour has changed its mind
on Outlawing Private Schools.

Clever
as those Private Schools matter.

What Labour they have done is to try take away the Charity (Vat Free) Status.
Page 40
on their manifesto

[The Slim Reaper]

Labour has changed its mind
on Outlawing Private Schools.

Clever
as those Private Schools matter.

What Labour they have done is to try take away the Charity (Vat Free) Status.
Page 40
on their manifesto

#allschoolsmatter

[arista]

Carbon Neutral
was to be by 2030

But they changed that to 2030's

From Last Night Newsnight BBC2HD

[arista]

Coca Cola
got Twitter to remove a Labour Ad
that has the the Xmas Coca Cola Mega Lorry
but with Labour Manifesto Plans light up on the sides
of each Coca Mega Lorry.


They did not ask Coca Cola
for
Permission.



See Kizzy its not just Conservative
doing this.

[Cherie]

You're not surprised, we've had this conversation before. You are using the concerns I had as a stick to beat me with. I explained at the time how conflicted it made me feel due to the lack of social housing.
I had a lifetime tenancy, therefore the house is mine untill I no longer require a house, when would that have been cherie? It is also my sons home.

How does lIving in my house suggest 'I'm alright jack'? I would be here tenant or resident :/
I haven't dressed it up in any way, I've been very open and honest about it.

Do you have any views on the manifesto while you're here, or is your attempt at character assassination enough?


In the past you have been very indignant about (I think it was people from East London) who sold their council homes for profit and moved to Spain, the bottom line is they took a council home out of the system, where they live afterwards is nobodies business but their own, so you cant claim the moral high ground. For the record if I were in your shoes I would have done exactly what you did as the system Maggie introduced and successive governments have rubberstamped allows it, and good luck to you :D:

Going forward I would want any new social housing to be ringfenced so that they can’t be sold on to the tenant, and I would want a guarantee that locally born are top of the queue with a percentage set aside for other needs

[arista]

Also Labour is to give Unions more Rights.

More Strikes during their first term
if they get in Power?

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/9A5E/production/_109781593_express22nov.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/E87E/production/_109781595_thetimes22nov.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/11E02/production/_109781237_i22nov.jpg

[Kizzy]

In the past you have been very indignant about (I think it was people from East London) who sold their council homes for profit and moved to Spain, the bottom line is they took a council home out of the system, where they live afterwards is nobodies business but their own, so you cant claim the moral high ground. For the record if I were in your shoes I would have done exactly what you did as the system Maggie introduced and successive governments have rubberstamped allows it, and good luck to you :D:

Going forward I would want any new social housing to be ringfenced so that they can’t be sold on to the tenant, and I would want a guarantee that locally born are top of the queue with a percentage set aside for other needs

Sorry you've totally lost me there. .. I've not a clue what you are talking about. I'm not indignant about expats from the east end :/
I dont claim any high ground either, nor do I have to justify my decisions to you, I volunteered the information only to clarify the situation as you had made a pointed comment to me specifically.

Can you now stick to the topic?

[smudgie]

Coca Cola
got Twitter to remove a Labour Ad
that has the the Xmas Coca Cola Mega Lorry
but with Labour Manifesto Plans light up on the sides
of each Coca Mega Lorry.


They did not ask Coca Cola
for
Permission.



See Kizzy its not just Conservative
doing this.

How very bloody dare they:fist::fist:
Nobody messes with that advert.

[Cherie]

Sorry you've totally lost me there. .. I've not a clue what you are talking about. I'm not indignant about expats from the east end :/
I dont claim any high ground either, nor do I have to justify my decisions to you, I volunteered the information only to clarify the situation as you had made a pointed comment to me specifically.

Can you now stick to the topic?

Of course you don't, my memory never fails me

That's the second time you have asked me to stay on topic? I would say I am right on top of the topic with social housing being a Labour and a Conservative Manifesto pledge, you could say I am multitasking...

there is very little point building x amount of social housing if in 10 years time x has been sold to private individuals, we may as well not bother

[michael21]

Also Labour is to give Unions more Rights.

More Strikes during their first term
if they get in Power?

There strike all the time its been reported on skynewsHD where you been

[Kizzy]

Of course you don't, my memory never fails me

That's the second time you have asked me to stay on topic? I would say I am right on top of the topic with social housing being a Labour and a Conservative Manifesto pledge, you could say I am multitasking...

there is very little point building x amount of social housing if in 10 years time x has been sold to private individuals, we may as well not bother

I'm saying your memory is fuzzy, Im sure I havent insulted any ex pats. What you are doing is baiting cherie, it's quite obvious.