Chief Rabbi says Jeremy Corbyn is not fit for high office

[Crimson Dynamo]

Chief Rabbi says Jeremy Corbyn is not fit for high office in wake of Labour anti-Semitism

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Jeremy Corbyn is “unfit for high office”, the Chief Rabbi has said, as he
accused him of allowing the “poison” of anti-Semitism to “take root in the
Labour Party”.


In an unprecedented intervention in the general election, Ephraim Mirvis
attacked Mr Corbyn’s “utterly inadequate” response to Jewish MPs being
“hounded out” of the party, saying he was “complicit in prejudice”.

No previous Chief Rabbi has ever publicly taken sides in an election campaign,
but Rabbi Mirvis said Mr Corbyn’s behaviour had left him no choice as he fears
for “the moral compass of our country” if he were to become prime minister.

It came as a senior adviser to Labour suggested Mr Corbyn’s future could be
up for discussion as the price of a power-sharing deal with the SNP or Liberal
Democrats.

Lord Kerslake, a long-standing ally of John McDonnell, said replacing Mr Corbyn
as Labour leader would “form part of the conversation” of any confidence and
supply talks in the event of a hung parliament.


Labour have failed to close the gap on the Tories in opinion polls, and Mr
Corbyn’s disastrous personal ratings suggest he is one of the biggest reasons
for that. Sources close to Mr Corbyn were forced to issue a stern rebuke of
cross bencher Lord Kerslake, insisting a change of party leadership was “not
on the table”.

Referring to Labour, he writes: “The party leadership have never understood
that their failure is not just one of procedure, which can be remedied with
additional staff or new processes.

“It is a failure to see this as a human problem rather than a political one. It is
a failure of culture.

“It is a failure of leadership. A new poison – sanctioned from the very top –
has taken root in the Labour Party.”

He ends his article by saying: “It is not my place to tell any person how they
should vote…I regret being in this situation at all. I simply pose the following
question: What will the result of this election say about the moral compass of
our country?

“When Dec 12 arrives, I ask every person to vote with their conscience.”

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/25/chief-rabbi-says-jeremy-corbyn-not-fit-high-office-wake-labour/

Unprecedented, will this be the final nail in the coffin for the labour campaign?

[arista]

Yes but this is not new news
Other than Front Pages

[bots]

Yes but this is not new news
Other than Front Pages

of course it is new, it was just published by the chief rabbi

[Kizzy]

It's designed to take the heat of Johnson at the minute..
How moral is it for religious leaders to begin what can only be described as electioneering?
The antisemitism within Labour was addressed, albeit not severely enough initially.
There are now distinct measures in place to weed out any members who fall short of the guidelines as is right and proper.
How then can it be said that the left specifically pose the greatest risk? Especially when all real evidence of actual violence or abuse is reported as coming wholly from extreme right wing ideology.

[arista]

of course it is new, it was just published by the chief rabbi


Yes its a New Front Page


But a old story
trying to get on Front Pages all week

[Kizzy]

It is not my place to tell any person how they
should vote…I regret being in this situation at all. I simply pose the following
question: What will the result of this election say about the moral compass of
our country?

“When Dec 12 arrives, I ask every person to vote with their conscience.”

This is the only part I agree with... How could anyone with a conscience vote tory? What would that say about the moral compass of this country given the levels of poverty and degredation over the last 10yrs?

That is not an ecumenical matter.

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[Nicky91]

Yes its a New Front Page


But a old story
trying to get on Front Pages all week

basically digging up dirt for attention seeking, and pushing people to vote for the tories :bored:


ah the good old election times, we have that here too (warfare through gossip tabloids)

[Kizzy]

'I don’t believe Corbyn is antisemitic’, says Labour peer

Labour peer Lord Dubs, who arrived in the UK in 1939 as a six-year-old refugee fleeing the persecution of Jews in Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia, has said the Chief Rabbi has “gone too far” and that Jeremy Corbyn is not antisemitic.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s*Todayprogramme, Lord Dubs said: “I think, I have a lot of respect for the Chief Rabbi, I’ve co-operated with him on campaigns on behalf of child refugees, I’ve spoken to him in many synagogues and I’ve got a lot of positive feeling about the Jewish community, but I think today the Chief Rabbi has gone too far.”

Lord Dubs said: “I think the Labour Party has been much too slow in getting to grips with this … but I feel we are getting there, and I want to look at it from the point of view of where we are today and moving forward.”

He added: “And I think Jeremy Corbyn himself is personally hurt at the accusations of antisemitism. I don’t believe he is antisemitic, even though, under his leadership, things have happened which should have been dealt with much faster.”

Questioned on Corbyn’s comments on an antisemitic mural, he said: “As regards to the mural, my understanding, I found it a very shocking mural, I saw it, my understanding is that Jeremy hadn't actually looked at it properly and made a comment which afterwards he very much regretted. And he has apologised.”
On whether Corbyn is fit to be PM, he added: “I think he is, yes, I think he is fit to be prime minister … I don’t believe he is personally antisemitic and I believe he will find it very, very hurtful that people accuse him of being antisemitic or racist or Islamophobic, he is none of those things.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-news-live-boris-johnson-voter-registration-corbyn-brexit-today-a9217901.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

basically digging up dirt for attention seeking, and pushing people to vote for the tories :bored:


ah the good old election times, we have that here too (warfare through gossip tabloids)

Attention seeking?

[Crimson Dynamo]

'DEEP SENSE OF FEAR' Archbishop backs Chief Rabbi claims ‘majority of British Jews’ live in terror of Jeremy Corbyn winning election

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10422787/chief-rabbi-warning-labour-anti-semitism/

[Livia]

Nothing I didn't know. But of course, according to Labour, I'm being lied to, manipulated, brainwashed.... while all the time non-Jews tell me whether or not I should be insulted.

[The Slim Reaper]

Jewish academic Noam Chomsky.

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it really doesn't matter if others think there is a problem or not. If a section of our society are fearful, then they have a right to voice that fear and not be disrespected as so many seem to be doing

[Livia]

There are black people supporting Trump. Does that mean that Trump's not a racist? Of course not. There are some Jews who support Jeremy Corbyn. Does that mean Corbyn isn't a racist? Of course not.

[The Slim Reaper]

I can show innumerable examples of trumps racism.

Lets hold Corbyn to the same standards as trump and show these too. Let's get all his current racism and his racist past on to the table.

[The Slim Reaper]

As a British Jew I’m not fearful of a Corbyn government but I’m horrified at how antisemitism is being used against him

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/writingfromtheedge/2019/11/as-a-british-jew-im-not-fearful-of-a-corbyn-government-but-im-horrified-at-how-antisemitism-is-being-used-against-him/



I’ve been told to fear the prospect of Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister. I’ve been warned that the Labour Party leader is antisemitic. And, according to a new poll, nearly half of British Jews are considering leaving the country if Labour wins the General Election on December 12th.

Despite the doomsday picture being painted for British Jews, I’m not fearful of Corbyn or the possibility of him reaching 10 Downing Street. Nor do I believe that the Labour Party is “poisoned” or “rampant” with antisemitism. But what has left me horrified over the last four years has been the reckless and irresponsible way in which antisemitism has been used to vilify Corbyn and make the entire Labour Party appear toxic.

For the record, I’m not a Labour Party activist, or even a Labour Party member. I have no particular brief to support Jeremy Corbyn. In local and national elections over the years, I’ve voted for Liberal Democrat candidates, Labour candidates and Green candidates. Geography means I don’t attend a synagogue as often as I’d like to, but I read and love my Jewish prayer book, and at home we light Shabbat candles and we celebrate the Jewish festivals. I worry about rising antisemitism around the world and I care about the safety and security of Jews in Britain. And because of all these things, it bothers me deeply when I see antisemitism become drained of meaning for the sake of narrow political advantage.

The UK’s Brexit induced General Election was always going to be about more than just Brexit. And so it should be. A decade of chronic underinvestment in public services; the growing disparity between rich and poor; our response to the Climate Emergency; and the very future of the United Kingdom itself, all need to be central themes of the campaign over the next month. The one issue that does not need to be part of the debate is antisemitism. At least not the version of the antisemitism debate we’ve been having over the last few years which has become profoundly politicised.

The opening days of the campaign
As things stand, scaremongering about antisemitism is in danger of hijacking the 2019 election. This is not good for British Jews nor for British democracy.

The position of the Jewish Chronicle and the Jewish News, the two most widely read Jewish newspapers in the UK, is entirely expected and consistent with the campaign they have been running since September 2015 when Corbyn was elected Labour Party leader.

As this General Election campaign got underway, the Jewish Chronicle’s editorial stated:

“The impact of a Labour victory is almost unimaginable for our community…The prospect is truly frightening.”

The Jewish News titled its main Op Ed ‘The nightmare before Chanukah?’

What exactly are these editorial writers expecting to happen if Corbyn becomes Prime Minister? Shouldn’t it be possible to imagine it? Is there some hidden anti-Jewish manifesto in Corbyn’s back pocket that only they have seen? Their language suggests they expect immediate discriminatory laws against Jews to be enacted by a Corbyn government or, at the very least, a hostile environment against Jews to be created across the country.

Speaking at a formal dinner of the Board of Deputies of British Jews on November 4 the Board’s President, Marie van de Zyl, also hinted at the dark consequences of a Corbyn victory by saying the Board was “preparing for all scenarios.”

What kind of “scenarios” is the Board preparing for? It’s never made clear because it makes no sense. But a feeling of impending doom is created and left hanging in the air.

The Guardian columnist, Jonathan Freedland, who’s been a prominent left of centre critic of Corbyn since his election, wove the same mood of dread and anxiety in a recent article in which he repeated the now well-worn (and well-refuted) allegations against Corbyn:

“I understand that to many, all this will sound overwrought. I’m afraid that Jewish history has made us that way, prone to imagining the worst. We look at our usually sparse family trees and we can pick out the pessimists, those who panicked and got out. It was they who left their mark on us. You see, the optimists, those who assumed things would work out for the best, they never made it out in time.”

It sounds “overwrought” because it is overwrought. But worse still, it’s feeding a moral panic across the nation and stoking fear in Jewish homes without a credible threat being presented.

But the Jewish establishment’s campaign against Jeremy Corbyn has never been only about convincing British Jews not to vote Labour.

The number of Jewish voters in the UK is tiny. Including adults and children, we make up only 0.5% of the population. There are only a handful of constituencies, mostly in North London, where Jewish votes (assuming they are cast uniformly) could make a decisive difference to the outcome. In any case, the majority of Jews stopped voting Labour long before Corbyn became leader. That’s to do with the economic and social advancement that most Jews in Britain have achieved. Until recently, it’s had nothing to do with Corbyn or antisemitism.

So branding Corbyn as antisemitic has always been about influencing the wider UK electorate. And it may well have succeeded. A poll carried out in April 2019 reported that 55% of respondents agreed with the statement that Mr Corbyn’s “failure to tackle anti-semitism within his own party shows he is unfit to be prime minister”.

Conservative supporting national newspapers, in particular the Daily Mail, The Times, The Telegraph, The Express, have all been enthusiastic amplifiers of the ‘Corbyn is antisemitic’ narrative. Neither these national newspapers nor the more liberal Guardian or the BBC, have shown much interest in seriously interrogating, let along challenging the allegations. The case against our mainstream media in its handling of the Labour antisemitism saga has been well established by media analysts and antisemitism experts in the book ‘Bad News for Labour’ published last month.

Meanwhile, the pro-Remain Liberal Democrats’ leader, Jo Swinson, speaking at her party’s election campaign launch on November 5 came up with the most peculiar, contorted and self-serving framing of the antisemitism accusation I’ve seen so far:

“Most importantly, the reason why people are Remain [on the Brexit question] is about values, and one of those values is so important – is the value of equality – for recognising that people can be themselves, as individuals, whatever the colour of their skin, whatever God they pray to, whoever they are. And Jeremy Corbyn’s complete and utter failure to root out antisemitism in his own Party, is a – just – total dereliction of duty when it comes to protecting that value of equality.”

While this alignment of racism, inequality and support for Brexit may have some coherence when you look to the political right, it’s hard to make sense of it in Corbyn’s case, not when you examine Corbyn’s track record on campaigning against racism or his party’s policies on immigration and refugees. And while Corbyn’s position on Brexit is deliberately ambiguous, painting him as a hard Brexiteer doesn’t tally with his party’s position over the last three years. But hey, let’s not let any pesky facts spoil the antisemitism story.

As for the Conservative Party leader and current Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, he’s happily climbed on the bandwagon by describing his main opponents in this election as: “fratricidal antisemitic Marxists”. I feel sure he will return with characteristic enthusiasm to the subject as the election campaign reaches its climax.

For a more detailed account of how the right is exploiting and abusing antisemitism during this election, and over the last few years, I’d recommend the article by antisemitism academic Tony Lerman in Open Democracy.

The case against Corbyn’s Labour
So what is the case against Corbyn? And does it stack up as the show-stopping, moral argument against his gaining elected high office?

It’s always been difficult to disentangle the allegations of antisemitism from the wider divisions within Labour over Corbyn’s shift of the party to the left. The growing influence of more left-wing Labour members at the grass roots and within its national decision making bodies has been fought against by Labour MPs who favoured the Blair/Brown years of Labour leadership. Antisemitism has, in part, become a proxy battle in a bigger ideological war over how Labour should respond to decades of neo-liberalism and more recently austerity. So motivations can be, and have been, mixed and complex.

But there’s another at factor at play that’s always been at the heart of the story about Labour and antisemitism.
It’s impossible to understand the personal criticism against Corbyn without recognising that it’s nearly always in the context of a wider debate over the behaviour of Israel towards the Palestinian people.

Corbyn has been a long standing campaigner for Palestinian rights for decades. Those official and establishment Jewish voices that say they fear a Corbyn government tell us they do so because they fear a radical change in the safety and security of Jews in Britain. But a more credible explanation for their accusations is the possibility of a radical change in the attitude of the British government towards the State of Israel. But in merely expressing the possibility of a political motive behind the attacks, one quickly becomes branded as anti-Jewish. Freedom of speech gets buried alive in this war over the meaning of antisemitism.

Having noted this central aspect of the saga, it’s also true that some on the left make themselves, and by association Corbyn, easy targets for justified criticism. The left’s emphasis on the wrongs of empire, colonialism and racism lead to a small minority expressing an obsessive and un-nuanced understanding of Zionist thinking which too easily trips into antisemitism.

It’s true too that Israel/Palestine has become a totemic cause on the left, much as South African apartheid was in the 70s and 80s or the Vietnam War in the 60s. But there are perfectly legitimate reasons for wanting to highlight Israel as a nation with a long and on-going history of human rights abuses which western leaders choose not to act against. A few on the left will make the lazy mistake of falling into anti-Jewish rhetoric to explain why this has happened. This in turn enables the professional advocates for Israel to label all anti-Israel criticism on the left as founded on nothing more than antisemitism.

The questions we are then left with are: how great is the scale of the problem and how well has Corbyn dealt with it?

Let the numbers speak
The precise scale of reported antisemitism within the Labour Party became clear at the start of this year when Labour’s general secretary, Jennie Formby, released detailed numbers covering accusations of antisemitism made against Labour members between April 2018 and January 2019. This covered the period during which media interest in the story reached fever pitch in the summer and autumn of 2018.

The 673 accusations as a percentage of party members amounted to 0.1% of the total Party membership. However, 220 of the allegations were rejected through the disciplinary process which left 453 (or 0.08% of party membership) accused, found guilty and disciplined. Of these, only 12 were considered serious enough to warrant permanent expulsion.

Further analysis of these figures, and other data, and their comparison to survey data of antisemitism in the UK population as a whole, has been carried out by statistician Alan Maddison. The upshot is, there’s less antisemitism in Labour than you would expect to find in the UK population as a whole (which is already among the lowest in the world). In fact, reputable surveying in 2017 by Jewish Policy Research, showed that antisemitism was more prevalent on the right and far right than on the left in the UK.

“Levels of antisemitism among those on the left-wing of the political spectrum, including the far-left, are indistinguishable from those found in the general population.”

Which again begs the question as to why all the focus has been on Labour since Corbyn became leader. The numbers suggest we should be looking elsewhere.

What about Corbyn himself?
If Jeremy Corbyn is truly antisemitic he must be the most unusual and eccentric example of antisemitism ever displayed by a British political leader and perhaps any political leader.

When you are told that a politician is a diehard antisemite you don’t expect to then discover that over the decades he’s signed dozens of Early Day Parliamentary motions condemning antisemitism; helped organised protests against anti-Jewish marches; visited the Terezin concentration camp to commemorate Holocaust victims; attended numerous Jewish events in his constituency; and read the war poetry of Isaac Rosenberg at his local Remembrance Day service.

The list of antisemitic ‘crimes’ by Corbyn which have been ‘unearthed’ to ‘expose’ his guilt all crumble for anyone who bothers to do some fact checking or examine the context in which they happened.

If I have criticisms of Corbyn over his handling of antisemitism it’s that he did not defend himself or his party more robustly.

He should have toured the TV studios during the spring and summer of 2018 to refute the allegations made against him. He should have invited his accusers, in particular Campaign Against Antisemitism, and the leaders of the Board of Deputies, Jewish Leadership Council and the editor of the Jewish Chronicle, to debate face to face. He should have given a platform to Palestinian voices to demonstrate the problematic nature of the IHRA “illustrations” of antisemitism. He should have given a major speech setting out his understanding of Jewish history, of antisemitism, of what does and does not count as fair criticism of Israel and Zionism.

The strategy of not giving more oxygen to the allegations through direct engagement turned out to be wrong. It just encouraged more vilification.

The failure of Jewish leadership
But the greatest failings in this story have not been Corbyn’s.

Over the last four years the formal leadership of the Jewish community in the UK, aided and abetted by Jewish community newspapers and the Campaign Against Antisemitism, have succeed in making the task of fighting anti-Jewish behaviour harder and more complicated.

They have exaggerated a problem within Labour and enabled a false narrative to take hold in the public’s understanding of the issue. In doing this, they have made antisemitism into a party political football.

With their promotion of the IHRA document as the international ‘gold standard’ of wording rather than the “working document” its authors describe it as, they have imposed on politicians, local authorities, universities and Churches a weak and deeply flawed definition of antisemitism.

They have promoted illustrations of antisemitism which are already chilling free speech and denying another people their history and identity.

By turning antisemitism into a political battleground, they have created ‘good Jews’ and ‘bad Jews’ – those that are allowed to speak with a Jewish voice and those that are condemned as traitors.

The campaign against Labour has never been about reforming or educating a small minority or rooting out a tiny hardcore of antisemitism. This has been about regime change. Only Corbyn’s resignation as leader was ever going to be truly acceptable.

With a General Election campaign now in full swing, Labour candidates and Labour activists, and indeed Labour voters, are being told they are actively promoting antisemitism or at least ignoring the concerns of the Jewish community in Britain. It’s no longer just Corbyn that’s being vilified. It’s half the country.

Meanwhile, Jewish families have become fearful under entirely false pretenses.

This is not good Jewish leadership. This is a dangerous failure of leadership.

If Labour loses this election and antisemitism allegations are perceived to have been a key factor in the Party’s defeat, what will be the long term political consequences? How will millions of voters perceive our Jewish institutions and leaders and indeed Jews in general?

A better debate on antisemitism
Whatever the result of this General Election, we’re going to need a better and very different debate about antisemitism in Britain than the one we’ve been having.

Antisemitism is real and it’s growing. We need to face into the role Israel plays in generating antisemitism. We need to recognise that Zionism can be experienced as both a movement for Jewish liberation and as a project of racist, settler colonialism. We need to be clear from which political direction the most serious dangers to Jews and other minorities are coming from. For some on the left, there is a need to learn some Jewish history and appreciate why so many Jews feel such an emotional tie towards Israel.

As for those who currently claim to speak in the interests of Jews in Britain, they too could do with some serious historical and political education. Or perhaps just early retirement.

[Liam-]

I can show innumerable examples of trumps racism.

Lets hold Corbyn to the same standards as trump and show these too. Let's get all his current racism and his racist past on to the table.

That’s exactly what it is, people are throwing words and phrases around to describe Corbyn, without any evidence to prove so, yes there are people on the left and within the Labour Party itself who express anti-Semitic tendencies, no matter how small the percentage, it’s unacceptable, however to outright claim that Corbyn himself is a card carrying, Jew hating antisemite is intellectually dishonest and ignoring all the good he’s done fighting bigotry in all forms thoughout his 30 odd year career, whereas the people doing so, will gleefully ignore the concrete evidence of Johnson’s and the Tories rampant bigotry, it’s farcical, but depressingly not unexpected

[The Slim Reaper]

That’s exactly what it is, people are throwing words and phrases around to describe Corbyn, without any evidence to prove so, yes there are people on the left and within the Labour Party itself who express anti-Semitic tendencies, no matter how small the percentage, it’s unacceptable, however to outright claim that Corbyn himself is a card carrying, Jew hating antisemite is intellectually dishonest and ignoring all the good he’s done fighting bigotry in all forms thoughout his 30 odd year career, whereas the people doing so, will gleefully ignore the concrete evidence of Johnson’s and the Tories rampant bigotry, it’s farcical, but depressingly not unexpected

A couple of years after the tory party stripped black people of their human rights and deported them, we're expected to believe that only labour has an issue.

The tories refuse to investigate their own problems so they never have to address them.

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Thank you. I will look into these examples.

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[Liam-]

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51 points and none of them point to him actively being antisemitic, the worst it proves is that he’s shared stages with people who hold opposing opinions to him, which is what he’s always done to try and conduct peace talks and most of those things there are all against Israel, which is not antisemitic.

[bots]

well, in just over 2 weeks, people will deliver their verdict, so we don't have long to wait.

[Beso]

God I wish this racist old bag would just piss off.

[Liam-]

Can’t wait for us to find out the Russians have been meddling in our democracy when the election is over

[Livia]

I'm tired of Corbyn supporters telling me what anti-Semitism is. If we were talking about Islamaphobia things would be so different. Yes, there is racism in the Tory party, there is racism in all parties... but only Labour is being investigated, only Labour are having Jewish religious leaders - and with Christian religion leaders backing them - standing up and making their feelings known. No, all that's been declared rubbish, and the non Jews are STILL on here saying how we're all overreacting.

[Livia]

Can’t wait for us to find out the Russians have been meddling in our democracy when the election is over

It's good to have hopes and dreams.

[Liam-]

It's good to have hopes and dreams.

My dream is to live in a fair, equal and happy society where everyone lives peacefully side by side, not for big old Vlad’s grubby hands to be all over out democracy, I just can’t wait for people to finally wake up and exclaim ‘why didn’t we know this before the election?! :oh:’ as the Tories implement the hardest far right majority government this country has ever seen, the only solace i’ll have is to be able to be petty and say I told you so

[The Slim Reaper]

Maybe the Jewish Policy research on the subject might be considered more valid to people that don't believe gentiles have the right to comment.

https://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR.2017.Antisemitism_in_contemporary_Great_Britai n.pdf

1/10 of 1% of labour members have been accused of being anti-semitic, which is 1/10 of 1% too much, but it's far less than society as a whole. It's just being weaponised.

[James]

My dream is to live in a fair, equal and happy society where everyone lives peacefully side by side, not for big old Vlad’s grubby hands to be all over out democracy, I just can’t wait for people to finally wake up and exclaim ‘why didn’t we know this before the election?! :oh:’ as the Tories implement the hardest far right majority government this country has ever seen, the only solace i’ll have is to be able to be petty and say I told you so

Corbyn is pro-Russian - look at his response to the Salisbury poisoning, hostility to NATO etc. as well as the record of his spokesman Seamus Milne.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe the Jewish Policy research on the subject might be considered more valid to people that don't believe gentiles have the right to comment.

https://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR.2017.Antisemitism_in_contemporary_Great_Britai n.pdf

1/10 of 1% of labour members have been accused of being anti-semitic, which is 1/10 of 1% too much, but it's far less than society as a whole. It's just being weaponised.

still you deny it, perhaps its not really your truth to deny?

[The Slim Reaper]

still you deny it, perhaps its not really your truth to deny?

Multiple times I've spoken out about it.

[Nicky91]

still you deny it, perhaps its not really your truth to deny?

well then the truth also is, that the Tories have proven themselves to be unfit for office either


and facts are tories support will hate labour, and labour support will hate tories

and they will Always see their own ''versions'' of the truth

[Crimson Dynamo]

well then the truth also is, that the Tories have proven themselves to be unfit for office either


and facts are tories support will hate labour, and labour support will hate tories

and they will Always see their own ''versions'' of the truth

whataboutism

[Kizzy]

There are black people supporting Trump. Does that mean that Trump's not a racist? Of course not. There are some Jews who support Jeremy Corbyn. Does that mean Corbyn isn't a racist? Of course not.

On the weight of evidence, Corbyn is not a racist. The two men are not comparable. Whatever logic you're attempting to apply here it's flawed.

[Kizzy]

it really doesn't matter if others think there is a problem or not. If a section of our society are fearful, then they have a right to voice that fear and not be disrespected as so many seem to be doing

It is disrespectful to tell people they have reason to be fearful without reason.
There is literally no evidence to infer a left wing government would be any threat to anyone.
I object to being disrespected as a Corbyn supporter, at the moment it would be more acceptable to suggest I championed Vlad the impaler for PM.

[Kizzy]

Corbyn is pro-Russian - look at his response to the Salisbury poisoning, hostility to NATO etc. as well as the record of his spokesman Seamus Milne.

How does wait and explore the evidence amount to support James... I'm a tad sick of these ' grab a pitchfork' responses to everything in recent times.
Look how the act now bomb first speak later campaigns have gone for us, we were wrong and 1000s of innocent people were killed, we have to stop the knee jerk reactions.

[bots]

the FACT that John McDonnell is a Stalinist should be a bit of a clue

[Tom4784]

Religious organisations fear the left wing because they are less likely to get away with their bull****, it's no surprise to see both the Arch Bishop and the Chief Rabbi speak out against Labour.

This is less to do with anti-semitism and more to do with the fact that religious organisations fear the possibility of paying taxes and that's more likely with a left winging led government than a right one.

Religion and politics should not mix, heads of religions should not speak for or against any politicians.

[The Slim Reaper]

the FACT that John McDonnell is a Stalinist should be a bit of a clue

FACT? I'm going to need to see proof of his Stalinism.

[Crimson Dynamo]

FACT? I'm going to need to see proof of his Stalinism.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/John-McDonnell-was-pictured-at-yesterday-s-May-Day-rally-1121711.webp?r=1556800905499

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How is that proof he's a stalinist? That was a trade union event, not Stalinist support group.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/11/26/17/21493016-0-image-m-31_1574788030127.jpg

[Liam-]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/11/26/17/21493016-0-image-m-31_1574788030127.jpg

That would probably go viral on Facebook, but again, it doesn’t prove a thing about Corbyn himself, if I stand next to a lamppost, it doesnt make me a lamppost (unfortunately, I’d love to be that skinny and bright ugh)

[GoldHeart]

God I wish this racist old bag would just piss off.

Ikr Boris just won't go away

[bots]

Jeremy Corbyn has declined to apologise to the British Jewish community following criticism from the chief rabbi over how the party deals with anti-Semitism claims.

In an interview with Andrew Neil, the Labour leader was asked four times whether he would like to apologise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50564965

[MTVN]

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Umm you obviously didnt read or understand that as that is a different list - its a list of excuses for Corbyn which a Jewish woman is refuting with her annotations

Thought the last sentence at least- 'Corbyn has failed on left anti-Semitism and fails to take personal responsibility' - might give that away

[Cherie]

Jeremy Corbyn has declined to apologise to the British Jewish community following criticism from the chief rabbi over how the party deals with anti-Semitism claims.

In an interview with Andrew Neil, the Labour leader was asked four times whether he would like to apologise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50564965

:shrug: why not? it literally beggars belief, I guess he will come out as neutral on it next week

[Kizzy]

Why...Why does he need to apologise... has he not done this and put measures in place to prevent a repeat of past failings?

This is now imo specifically designed to disrupt the Labour election campaign.
It's doing what it was designed to do and disrupt every conversation and interview distracting from the other very important issues facing the UK.

[Brother Leon]

Certainly more fit for office than the alternative.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The now Labour leader is seen shaking hands with Sheikh Raed Salah in 2012
Salah was excluded from UK because of concerns over 'virulent anti-Semitism'
He was jailed in 2014 for two years for raising millions for terrorist group Hamas


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7760625/New-video-shows-Jeremy-Corbyn-embracing-blood-libel-preacher-later-jailed-Hamas-fundraising.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small


:facepalm:

[Liam-]

Meanwhile Tories have literally been arming Saudi terrorists for how long now?
Meeting people of opposing views =/= sympathiser.

Let’s have a look at who Boris has shaken hands with through his entire career, that should be fun.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Meanwhile Tories have literally been arming Saudi terrorists for how long now?
Meeting people of opposing views =/= sympathiser.

Let’s have a look at who Boris has shaken hands with through his entire career, that should be fun.

watch the video its more than shaking hands, its horrible to watch, Corbyn is a genuine threat to our national security

[Kazanne]

Meanwhile Tories have literally been arming Saudi terrorists for how long now?
Meeting people of opposing views =/= sympathiser.

Let’s have a look at who Boris has shaken hands with through his entire career, that should be fun.

Why do you deflect everything,this thread is about Corbyn.

[Liam-]

Why do you deflect everything,this thread is about Corbyn.

Not deflection, calling out hypocrisy more like :hee:

[jet]

Not deflection, calling out hypocrisy more like :hee:

I don't recall any PM or leader of an opposition other than Corbyn actually fraternising with terrorists; calling them his friends, showing his support, attending their funerals and rallies, inviting them to tea.
So what about your hypocrisy?

[smudgie]

I don't recall any PM or leader of an opposition other than Corbyn actually fraternising with terrorists; calling them his friends, showing his support, attending their funerals and rallies, inviting them to tea.
So what about your hypocrisy?

Especially when they were bombing innocent British men, women and children.

[Kizzy]

I don't recall any PM or leader of an opposition other than Corbyn actually fraternising with terrorists; calling them his friends, showing his support, attending their funerals and rallies, inviting them to tea.
So what about your hypocrisy?

No we call murderers of innocents 'customers' they come grre buy our wares and murder 1000s of innocents... it's base hipocrisy to ignore our role in arming regimes who have no regard for human rights.

It makes all your points moot. .. valueless.

[jet]

No we call murderers of innocents 'customers' they come grre buy our wares and murder 1000s of innocents... it's base hipocrisy to ignore our role in arming regimes who have no regard for human rights.

It makes all your points moot. .. valueless.

Who’s ignoring it? This thread is about Corbyn, but as usual you deflect in obvious defense of his actions.
I don’t agree with arming any terrorists who use those arms to kill innocents, no matter which country they are from, instead of the country using those arms for defense and protection. Just like Gaddafi supplying weapons to the IRA, Corbyn’s chums, who used them to indiscriminately kill innocents - then there is Hamas, just 2 examples of the terrorists he is sympathetic to and has his little tea parties with. You can’t pick and choose which innocents it is okay to kill.
The hypocrisy is all yours.

[Kizzy]

Who’s ignoring it? This thread is about Corbyn, but as usual you deflect in obvious defense of his actions.
I don’t agree with arming any terrorists who use those arms to kill innocents, no matter which country they are from, instead of the country using those arms for defense and protection. Just like Gaddafi supplying weapons to the IRA, Corbyn’s chums, who used them to indiscriminately kill innocents - then there is Hamas, just 2 examples of the terrorists he is sympathetic to and has his little tea parties with. You can’t pick and choose which innocents it is okay to kill.
The hypocrisy is all yours.
It's relevant, and its in context you can't compare the two as you have there to excuse the glaring flaws in this govt to further your anti corby agenda...
Corbyn wasn't the one selling the weapons, it was a dictator of a corrupt regime.
Corbyn maintained a dialogue with the IRA in the hope of facilitating peace. That is in no way comparable to our supposed democracy selling weapons and sending troops to train in the use of those to murder 1000s of people for an oligarchic autocracy.
Where is your outrage for this?..

[jet]

It's relevant, and its in context you can't compare the two as you have there to excuse the glaring flaws in this govt to further your anti corby agenda...
Corbyn wasn't the one selling the weapons, it was a dictator of a corrupt regime.
Corbyn maintained a dialogue with the IRA in the hope of facilitating peace. That is in no way comparable to our supposed democracy selling weapons and sending troops to train in the use of those to murder 1000s of people for an oligarchic autocracy.
Where is your outrage for this?..

What part of ‘I don’t agree with selling arms to any terrorists’ did you not understand?
According to you then, it is okay to support terrorists, like Corbyn does, as long as you aren’t the one supplying the arms or carrying out the killings, right?

As for Corbyn ‘having a dialogue with the IRA in the hope of facilitating peace’ that excuse was debunked a long time ago.
The First Minister and his deputy, both of NI’s Social Democratic Labour party have categorically stated that Corbyn had nothing whatsoever to do with the peace process and another party member described him as ‘a pesky backbencher who hung around the IRA leaders like a smitten little fanboy’.

But I guess you were around amid the political turmoil of the troubles in the 70's 80’s and 90’s and know better than they do.

There has also been ample hard evidence obtained from IRA archives by serious investigators posted on this forum from many sources that he was a 100% IRA supporter and if anything, hindered peace, which you chose to just completely ignore.

You must have some really hard insider evidence of Corbyn and his ‘peace facilitating’ which you are keeping to yourself, for I have never heard of it, apart from Corbyn himself and his like - minded cronies trying to cover his ass.

So, once and for all Kizzy, lets be having this hard, explosive evidence, which will overcome all facts to the contrary. Come on, spill! - I'm all ears!

[Kizzy]

What part of ‘I don’t agree with selling arms to any terrorists’ did you not understand?
According to you then, it is okay to support terrorists, like Corbyn does, as long as you aren’t the one supplying the arms or carrying out the killings, right?

As for Corbyn ‘having a dialogue with the IRA in the hope of facilitating peace’ that excuse was debunked a long time ago.
The First Minister and his deputy, both of NI’s Social Democratic Labour party have categorically stated that Corbyn had nothing whatsoever to do with the peace process and another party member described him as ‘a pesky backbencher who hung around the IRA leaders like a smitten little fanboy’.

But I guess you were around amid the political turmoil of the troubles in the 70's 80’s and 90’s and know better than they do.

There has also been ample hard evidence obtained from IRA archives by serious investigators posted on this forum from many sources that he was a 100% IRA supporter and if anything, hindered peace, which you chose to just completely ignore.

You must have some really hard insider evidence of Corbyn and his ‘peace facilitating’ which you are keeping to yourself, for I have never heard of it, apart from Corbyn himself and his like - minded cronies trying to cover his ass.

So, once and for all Kizzy, lets be having this hard, explosive evidence, which will overcome all facts to the contrary. Come on, spill! - I'm all ears!

I saw you say you didn't agree... but where's the outrage and the passion you put into every anti Corbyn post? I don't see it...
It is ok to speak to terrorists yes if it aids in the bringing about the end to violence, that's the diplomatic democratic thing to do. There were also people imprisoned unfairly, I agree with the fight for justice for them, again founding principles of democracy.
So yes I do agree with his support. Aiding in the killings such as our govt do now makes them as guilty to me, they are war criminals.

I don't believe it was debunked? I have seen as many in support of his efforts as against similar to the accusations of antisemitism there are those who feel the suggestion he is or aids antisemitism is false.

Im not going to justify my belief to you, I have no reason to I'm not on trial am I? Look for yourself, it's not my job to educate you.

[jet]

I saw you say you didn't agree... but where's the outrage and the passion you put into every anti Corbyn post? I don't see it...
It is ok to speak to terrorists yes if it aids in the bringing about the end to violence, that's the diplomatic democratic thing to do. There were also people imprisoned unfairly, I agree with the fight for justice for them, again founding principles of democracy.
So yes I do agree with his support. Aiding in the killings such as our govt do now makes them as guilty to me, they are war criminals.

I don't believe it was debunked? I have seen as many in support of his efforts as against similar to the accusations of antisemitism there are those who feel the suggestion he is or aids antisemitism is false.

Im not going to justify my belief to you, I have no reason to I'm not on trial am I? Look for yourself, it's not my job to educate you.

This is a thread about Corbyn, and I'm not revealing to you or posting on a BB forum about what I, personally, and thousands more of my fellow citizens went through at the hands of the the IRA in N. Ireland and why the so - called politician Corbyn who is vying to become PM in particular repulses me.

...so there we have it, you agree with Corbyn in his support of IRA terrorists despite all evidence that he had nothing to do with working for peace.... based purely on your own belief that he did without a single shred of evidence to prove it.
How can one debate with someone whose blind faith refuses to acknowledge all proof which has been shown and refuses to produce any themselves to refute it? Rather a one - sided waste of time, eh?

It's like debating with an adult who insists Santa still exists just because they can't cope with him not existing - very worrying indeed.

[Kizzy]

This is a thread about Corbyn, and I'm not revealing to you or posting on a BB forum about what I, personally, and thousands more of my fellow citizens went through at the hands of the the IRA in N. Ireland and why the so - called politician Corbyn who is vying to become PM in particular repulses me.

...so there we have it, you agree with Corbyn in his support of IRA terrorists despite all evidence that he had nothing to do with working for peace.... based purely on your own belief that he did without a single shred of evidence to prove it.
How can one debate with someone whose blind faith refuses to acknowledge all proof which has been shown and refuses to produce any themselves to refute it? Rather a one - sided waste of time, eh?

It's like debating with an adult who insists Santa still exists just because they can't cope with him not existing - very worrying indeed.

I haven't asked you for personal testemony, you have no idea what my family background is, and yet you dismiss me as having no valid point of veiw.
Theres no point discussing with you as you appear to be reverting to the usual mocking and insulting comments. My personal opinion is based on my families background as Irish Catholics and my own research.

You won't have to worry any longer, we won't be having this conversation again.

[Marsh.]

Why do you deflect everything

Hello pot, meet kettle.

[jet]

I haven't asked you for personal testemony, you have no idea what my family background is, and yet you dismiss me as having no valid point of veiw.
Theres no point discussing with you as you appear to be reverting to the usual mocking and insulting comments. My personal opinion is based on my families background as Irish Catholics and my own research.

You won't have to worry any longer, we won't be having this conversation again.

Of course we won't, as you'll never be able to find proof of Corbyn as 'peace facilitiater', because there isn't any. Supporting killers of innocents for any reason is not a valid point of view in my eyes.
I have an Irish Catholic background and the IRA murdered plenty of us with their indiscrimate bombs; they didn't care what the innocents background or religion was.
Their campaign gave rise to the murderous UVF, who put bullets through the heads of many more Irish Catholics in retaliation.
But thank goodness for the mercy of never having to converse with you again, I can't stomach your blind beliefs at all.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Livia]

I'm waiting for the report by the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Labour are only the second political party in history to be investigated by the EHRC, the first being the BNP.

[Kizzy]

We are all waiting those findings. I'm also waiting for a decision into an inquiry on Islamophobia in the Conservative party that was assured is happening.

[Nicky91]

I'm waiting for the report by the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Labour are only the second political party in history to be investigated by the EHRC, the first being the BNP.

there is a equality and human rights commission

never knew that


well then they don't do their jobs right since there isn't much equality in the world for quite a long time :hehe:

[Kizzy]

For balance.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/ehrc-testimonies-labour-jews-speak-up/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=new-article-from-jvl-newsletter-post-title_8&fbclid=IwAR3FzQu5QGFziqkb3Zl8kpixgw0Y4vQRP1dlezg9_ MXpIswOSm_1otxmP-U

[The Slim Reaper]

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/12/09/exclusive-union-of-orthodox-hebrew-congregations-head-leader-of-35000-jewish-citizens-endorses-corbyn/

EXCLUSIVE: UNION OF ORTHODOX HEBREW CONGREGATIONS HEAD, LEADER OF 35,000 JEWISH CITIZENS, ENDORSES CORBYN

The head of the Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations has published a letter supporting Jeremy Corbyn and condemning attacks on the Labour leader. The UOHC is an umbrella organisation representing over a hundred congregations and educational establishments in Greater London, with around 35,000 members.

We were shocked to learn about those who are disseminating rumours and blaming the leader of the Labour party Mr Jeremy Corbyn that he is an anti-Semite and so forth.

We therefore proclaim our view that we have no connection whatsoever with these irresponsible actions.

Jews are faithful to G-d and his Torah and seek the peace of the country they reside in and respect their leaders, and heaven forbid it wouldn’t cross their mind to confront political leaders, as our sages taught us and as we have been instructed by novi [prophet] Jeremiah (as stated in the book of Jeremiah, 29, 7) “seek the peace of the town I have exiled you there, and pray for her sake to G-d for with her peace you will have peace”.

In the merit we will endure the burden of exile and continue the ways of modesty here like the thousands of years of our exile in all generations, we shall be accredited to be saved from all calamities.

11 Kislev 5780 / 9 December 2019, London.

Ephraim Padwa
Principal Rabbinical Authority
Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregation

The Orthodox community represents around a quarter of the UK’s Jewish population and is projected to be around half of the population within fifteen years.

In 2018, thirty-four senior Orthodox rabbis of the UOHC signed a letter supporting Jeremy Corbyn. The letter was attacked as a fake by Corbyn’s opponents, but proven to be genuine – although only some of the attacks on its authenticity were withdrawn.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Kazanne]

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.(Not really, i know who Im voting for )
I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.
On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.
And on the other hand..
Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry /Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
So it’s a tricky one really

FB2019 This why I do not like Corbyn and would never vote for him.

[The Slim Reaper]

Facebook versus academics leaves only one winner.

The only negative thing about Boris is that he's posh and bit of a rascal? :joker:

We're getting the government we actually deserve on Thursday.

All this concern trolling about the IRA and folks are about to take a huge step backwards to the potential of the troubles starting up again, with Boris' "deal"

[Liam-]

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Don’t be silly, we’re only allowed to listen to the Jews who don’t like Corbyn, the other ones are all lying!

[Liam-]

I haven’t seen much outrage about there being an actual former IRA member in the Tory party, wonder why?

[Liam-]

Facebook versus academics leaves only one winner.

The only negative thing about Boris is that he's posh and bit of a rascal? :joker:

We're getting the government we actually deserve on Thursday.

All this concern trolling about the IRA and folks are about to take a huge step backwards to the potential of the troubles starting up again, with Boris' "deal"

If it wasn’t such a dangerous outlook for the country it would be funny

[Kazanne]

Facebook versus academics leaves only one winner.

The only negative thing about Boris is that he's posh and bit of a rascal? :joker:

We're getting the government we actually deserve on Thursday.

All this concern trolling about the IRA and folks are about to take a huge step backwards to the potential of the troubles starting up again, with Boris' "deal"

I think your man will get in tbh,so you can celebrate then, he better do a good job

[The Slim Reaper]

I think your man will get in tbh,so you can celebrate then, he better do a good job

He won't and there are no polls even suggesting that's a possibility. He's not my man, he's just the only option we have for a more equal society.

[Kazanne]

He won't and there are no polls even suggesting that's a possibility. He's not my man, he's just the only option we have for a more equal society.

The polls are closing in,so anything could happen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He won't and there are no polls even suggesting that's a possibility. He's not my man, he's just the only option we have for a more equal society.

yes and we have plenty examples of equality in communist and marxist states

oh wait

no we dont

[The Slim Reaper]

yes and we have plenty examples of equality in communist and marxist states

oh wait

no we dont

It's a pity he isn't a communist then.

Corbyn is more of a democratic socialist, and we have the data that tells us countries aligned with that ideology are the happiest in Europe, such as scandinavia or the nordic states.

[jet]

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.(Not really, i know who Im voting for )
I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.
On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.
And on the other hand..
Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry /Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
So it’s a tricky one really

FB2019 This why I do not like Corbyn and would never vote for him.

Its obvious Corbyn supporters here couldn’t care less about all that Kaz as there hasn’t been a word of criticism regarding his actions. It’s all ‘but what aboutery’ or just ignore, ignore, ignore. Or its all lies, even though there is ample evidence by serious political commentaters to be found if they wish to look for it.
There is a photo of a sick child lying on a hospital floor, which is dreadful, yes, but they are all over it.
Meanwhile there are hundreds of actual dead children lying cold in their graves right now murdered by Corbyn’s terrorist chums who he supported/still supports and they are not given a second thought. Talk about fake compassion, eh? Can people just turn off their consciences when it suits them? A terrible thought.
I’m not a Boris fan, but he’s the only chance of stopping Corbyn and his horrifically worrying mindset and the security risk he poses to the country.

[Nicky91]

Its obvious Corbyn supporters here couldn’t care less about all that Kaz as there hasn’t been a word of criticism regarding his actions. It’s all ‘but what aboutery’ or just ignore, ignore, ignore. Or its all lies, even though there is ample evidence by serious political commentaters to be found if they wish to look for it.
There is a photo of a sick child lying on a hospital floor, which is dreadful, yes, but they are all over it.
Meanwhile there are hundreds of actual dead children lying cold in their graves right now murdered by Corbyn’s terrorist chums who he supported/still supports and they are not given a second thought. Talk about fake compassion, eh? Can people just turn off their consciences when it suits them? A terrible thought.
I’m not a Boris fan, but he’s the only chance of stopping Corbyn and his horrifically worrying mindset and the security risk he poses to the country.

the real security risk is more of those far right wing tories, far right wing PVV here with us, they need to be silenced with their extreme views towards the Islam

those come across as insults to muslims

[jet]

I haven’t seen much outrage about there being an actual former IRA member in the Tory party, wonder why?

I'll tell you why. She was an IRA member for a few years in the early 70's, didn't personally kill anyone, wised up when her conscience could no longer tolerate the death and destuction, left the IRA and turned her life around.

[Marsh.]

didn't personally kill anyone

Neither did Tony Blair so that makes it alright.

[Tom4784]

The public will vote and they'll get their just desserts when they choose to vote in the Tories yet again and it will be a bitter meal for them.

I hope you like bankrupting yourselves for basic healthcare needs!

[jet]

Neither did Tony Blair so that makes it alright.

Did I say it was alright? A question was asked and I gave a brief summary of what I know.

[The Slim Reaper]

Its obvious Corbyn supporters here couldn’t care less about all that Kaz as there hasn’t been a word of criticism regarding his actions. It’s all ‘but what aboutery’ or just ignore, ignore, ignore. Or its all lies, even though there is ample evidence by serious political commentaters to be found if they wish to look for it.
There is a photo of a sick child lying on a hospital floor, which is dreadful, yes, but they are all over it.
Meanwhile there are hundreds of actual dead children lying cold in their graves right now murdered by Corbyn’s terrorist chums who he supported/still supports and they are not given a second thought. Talk about fake compassion, eh? Can people just turn off their consciences when it suits them? A terrible thought.
I’m not a Boris fan, but he’s the only chance of stopping Corbyn and his horrifically worrying mindset and the security risk he poses to the country.

When "being photographed with..." makes up part of that stupidity, then how much condemnation do you expect. A lot of us have spoken about his imperfections, but Boris is a posh rascal is a far more nefarious approach. As the troubles in Ireland are such a huge issue, you should be massively opposed to Boris, who will cause a no deal to happen in 2020 - a complete disaster for the peace process.

You may not notice, but people are suffering and dying now, today in this union because of 10 years of tory rule, but still, Corbyn was in a photo. Then you want to talk about turning consciences on and off?

[Liam-]

I'll tell you why. She was an IRA member for a few years in the early 70's, didn't personally kill anyone, wised up when her conscience could no longer tolerate the death and destuction, left the IRA and turned her life around.

So an actual IRA member is fine and dandy, no issues, but someone having discussions and meetings with IRA members for peace talks is out of line?

[The Slim Reaper]

Boris is believed to be a huge security risk because of his ties to lebved and his refusal to release the report on russian interference.

[Liam-]

Boris has previously had his security clearance revoked by MI6, yet Jez is the security risk? I don’t think so

[jet]

When "being photographed with..." makes up part of that stupidity, then how much condemnation do you expect. A lot of us have spoken about his imperfections, but Boris is a posh rascal is a far more nefarious approach. As the troubles in Ireland are such a huge issue, you should be massively opposed to Boris, who will cause a no deal to happen in 2020 - a complete disaster for the peace process.

You may not notice, but people are suffering and dying now, today in this union because of 10 years of tory rule, but still, Corbyn was in a photo. Then you want to talk about turning consciences on and off?

You know little about N Ireland, my home, if you think Boris is more a threat to it than Corbyn.
But I won't waste my time explaining why, when all you can say about that list is a dismissive wave of the hand with 'Corbyn was in a photo' and calling it all stupidity.
Boris was not PM for the 10 years of Tory rule, he could possibly do things differently. I'm glad that I don't have to vote for either of them here in N.Ireland.
Have your terrorist fanboy Corbyn, I hope you can keep up the blocking out and denial of his continuing fraternising with murderers.

[jet]

So an actual IRA member is fine and dandy, no issues, but someone having discussions and meetings with IRA members for peace talks is out of line?

Corbyn didn't have discussions and meetings with the IRA for peace talks. That has been disproved years ago. It was his excuse to cover his ass, nothing more.
There is not one iota of proof, anywhere, and all those in the actual peace talks say Corbyn had nothing to do with it, it fact they say his IRA support hindered peace.
If you can find any proof to the contrary, lets be having it. Good luck.

[The Slim Reaper]

You know little about N Ireland, my home, if you think Boris is more a threat to it than Corbyn.
But I won't waste my time explaining why, when all you can say about that list is a dismissive wave of the hand with 'Corbyn was in a photo' and calling it all stupidity.
Boris was not PM for the 10 years of Tory rule, he could possibly do things differently. I'm glad that I don't have to vote for either of them here in N.Ireland.
Have your terrorist fanboy Corbyn, I hope you can keep up the blocking out and denial of his continuing fraternising with murderers.

He wasn't pm but he was a minister. I don't remember him speaking out against universal credit, or voting against all the cuts, or the disabled work assessments.

Corporations and the government have been undertaking terrorism against the people of this country for long enough already, I'd take my chances with a man who talks about helping people over a man who avoids scrutiny wherever possible, and won't release security reports he knows will implicate him before the election.

[Tom4784]

It's all distraction tactics really, hypocritical distractions tactics given that Liam and Slim have highlighted that Boris is a REAL security risk yet the people screeching about Corbyn are too happy to ignore those very real issues.

It's not about the IRA, anti-semitism or anything else. It's about smearing a party that's a threat to the elite.

[Kizzy]

Has anyone heard of the DUP, What is their history, is anyone going to list their past associations?

[jet]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7778751/Fifteen-former-Labour-MPs-urge-voters-reject-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

Now 15 ex Labour MPs urge voters to reject Jeremy Corbyn: Risk of him becoming PM is 'too great' say former colleagues in devastating open letter hours after shadow minister branded him a security risk.

It states: 'Despite what Jeremy Corbyn says about anti-Semitism, we need to accept that most Jewish people have well-founded fears about what Labour has become. British Jews deserve our support.'

On Mr Corbyn's record on national security, it states: 'From wanting to 'end Nato' to calling members of Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends', Jeremy Corbyn has too often sided with those hostile to Britain, from the IRA to Russia.'

The poster concludes: 'We know it's a hard decision for Labour supporters to make. It was for us, too.

'But millions of people who have voted Labour all their lives now think the risk of Jeremy Corbyn getting into Number 10 is too great.

'The party has changed. Labour is no longer the party we have supported all our lives.'.......

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7778751/Fifteen-former-Labour-MPs-urge-voters-reject-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

Now 15 ex Labour MPs urge voters to reject Jeremy Corbyn: Risk of him becoming PM is 'too great' say former colleagues in devastating open letter hours after shadow minister branded him a security risk.

It states: 'Despite what Jeremy Corbyn says about anti-Semitism, we need to accept that most Jewish people have well-founded fears about what Labour has become. British Jews deserve our support.'

On Mr Corbyn's record on national security, it states: 'From wanting to 'end Nato' to calling members of Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends', Jeremy Corbyn has too often sided with those hostile to Britain, from the IRA to Russia.'

The poster concludes: 'We know it's a hard decision for Labour supporters to make. It was for us, too.

'But millions of people who have voted Labour all their lives now think the risk of Jeremy Corbyn getting into Number 10 is too great.

'The party has changed. Labour is no longer the party we have supported all our lives.'.......

Former Prime Minister John Major urged people not to vote for Johnson.

[jet]

Has anyone heard of the DUP, What is their history, is anyone going to list their past associations?

They would, I hope, if the leader was in danger of becoming the PM of the UK.

[jet]

Former Prime Minister John Major urged people not to vote for Johnson.

He sure did.
If only the Labour party had a really decent contender for PM. They would walk it. Shame on Corbyn for not taking himself off long ago.

[The Slim Reaper]

He sure did.
If only the Labour party had a really decent contender for PM. They would walk it. Shame on Corbyn for not taking himself off long ago.

And then feed us all another 10 years of marginally better than tory blairite center rightism. People want change. Everywhere corbyn goes he's greeted with crowds cheering, Boris hides in fridges and won't even talk to Mr Neil. Walking an election between Blairism and toryism is nothing to aim for.

[jet]

And then feed us all another 10 years of marginally better than tory blairite center rightism. People want change. Everywhere corbyn goes he's greeted with crowds cheering, Boris hides in fridges and won't even talk to Mr Neil. Walking an election between Blairism and toryism is nothing to aim for.

That's all very well if you believe every word that comes out of his mouth and believe all the sweeteners he promises to hand out to have an endless supply. He's trying to win an election you know, he's as big a liar as many other prospective PM's.
That's all very well if you don't care or don't believe that he is a terrorist supporting, anti - semite enabler. Many people know there is hard evidence at hand without looking too far and DO CARE.
If Corbyn gets in, people will get change all right, but it won't be the glorious change he's promising, it will be more than they bargained for. I predict at the very least that he'd turn out to be a huge disappointment.

[The Slim Reaper]

That's all very well if you believe every word that comes out of his mouth and believe all the sweeteners he promises to hand out to have an endless supply. He's trying to win an election you know, he's as big a liar as many other prospective PM's.
That's all very well if you don't care or don't believe that he is a terrorist supporting, anti - semite enabler. Many people know there is hard evidence at hand without looking too far and DO CARE.
If Corbyn gets in, people will get change all right, but it won't be the glorious change he's promising, it will be more than they bargained for.

I believe that he believes the social justice he's worked for for the last 30 years, and I believe his work against anti semitism stands up against the smears, that actually started when labour changed their policy towards the rights of the Palestinian people, and at the same time that Labour had a jewish leader in Milliband.

I don't want hand outs, I do better than ok. I don't want any free thing you think I do. I want the poor, disabled and sick to be cared for with dignity, I want the super wealthy to pay their fair share so that we can pay for the things that all past generations had, but have been taken away over decades to give tax breaks to the richest in society.

I don't want labour for me, I'll happily pay more in tax, I want labour because I want everyone to do better.

[jet]

I believe that he believes the social justice he's worked for for the last 30 years, and I believe his work against anti semitism stands up against the smears, that actually started when labour changed their policy towards the rights of the Palestinian people, and at the same time that Labour had a jewish leader in Milliband.

I don't want hand outs, I do better than ok. I don't want any free thing you think I do. I want the poor, disabled and sick to be cared for with dignity, I want the super wealthy to pay their fair share so that we can pay for the things that all past generations had, but have been taken away over decades to give tax breaks to the richest in society.

I don't want labour for me, I'll happily pay more in tax, I want labour because I want everyone to do better.

Yes, I want all that too, who wouldn’t, but what makes you believe Corbyn is the man to achieve it? Because he says so, and is an ‘activist’?
He isn’t very smart, apparently he’s hopeless with money, he hadn’t progressed beyond being a backbencher for many years, many in his own party don’t like him. His CV doesn’t say great, life changing, ‘PM Material’ to me. See, to me he is just the eternal rebellious adolescent who has never grown up and is stuck in the 60’s.. A mature man doesn’t neglect his wife and children financially and emotionally (which led to his divorce from his previous wife) to spend days away from home in seedy back rooms with dubious characters, like anti - British whiners and terrorist supporters.

IMO he doesn’t live in the real world, but in some fictional blockbuster where he is the heroic saviour in his own mind. If innocents get blown up along the way or his family life is destroyed, well, too bad, it was worth it because his ‘activating’ has always made him feel alive and important. It’s all about him, at the end of the day. He’s not caring, he only wants you to believe he is. How could he be, when he supported terrorists who murdered 1000’s of innocent people? Does that sound caring to you? But of course you refuse to believe it, and only he could cure the ills in our society….nope, I can’t see it….I can see a Corbyn government going from crisis to crisis and disappointment to disappointment under an incompetent, adolescent dreamer with extremely worrying links to unsavoury characters.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes, I want all that too, who wouldn’t, but what makes you believe Corbyn is the man to achieve it? Because he says so, and is an ‘activist’?
He isn’t very smart, apparently he’s hopeless with money, he hadn’t progressed beyond being a backbencher for many years, many in his own party don’t like him. His CV doesn’t say great, life changing, ‘PM Material’ to me. See, to me he is just the eternal rebellious adolescent who has never grown up and is stuck in the 60’s.. A mature man doesn’t neglect his wife and children financially and emotionally (which led to his divorce from his previous wife) to spend hours away from home in seedy back rooms with dubious characters, like anti - British whiners and terrorist supporters.

IMO he doesn’t live in the real world, but in some fictional blockbuster where he is the heroic saviour in his own mind. If innocents get blown up along the way or his family life is destroyed, well, too bad, it was worth it because his ‘activating’ has always made him feel alive and important. It’s all about him, at the end of the day. He’s not caring, he only wants you to believe he is. How could he be, when he supported terrorists who murdered 1000’s of innocent people? Does that sound caring to you? But of course you refuse to believe it, and only he could cure the ills in our society….nope, I can’t see it….I can see a Corbyn government going from crisis to crisis and disappointment to disappointment under an incompetent, adolescent dreamer with extremely worrying links to unsavoury characters.

He doesn't live in the real world? But you know the break up of his marriage because he was in backrooms with dubious characters? Sorry, Jet, but that's not really coherent. Whereas Posh Rascal Johnson won't even admit how many children he has. Is that really what you've resorted to? He's not very good with money? You know this how? How good at managing money would you say all ages of people forced to endure zero hour contracts under the tories are?

His CV tells me that he's been fighting for over 30 years, the same fight that young people are fighting today. I mean, we can go round the houses all night if you want, but all you really want to say is IRA.

I'm honestly sympathetic to that, if I'd lived through what you have then maybe I'd feel the same way. The troubles are over (for now - although Boris as PM will test that) and many of those involved went on to be public servants in the aftermath, so we can keep going back decades, or we can look at what Johnson has done with his eaton pals, to the whole union just in this last decade.

Where foodbanks now outnumber mcdonald's franchises, where sick children are lying on the floors of hospitals because the NHS has been killed by under funding, where sick and disabled people are told they're fit to work so are killing themselves because the government stops providing them with anything to live on, where the debt has soared, where they stole pension money from women born in the 50's and rather than accounting for what they've done with it, they're attacking Corbyn for saying he wants to give them back the money they worked their lives for.

I'll be honest, I don't know a huge amount about his IRA connections, but I do know the tories killing people today, which will only get worse post brexit, and that's more of a concern to me as things stand.

How do I know he means it? Because he has a record of fighting for it.

[jet]

He doesn't live in the real world? But you know the break up of his marriage because he was in backrooms with dubious characters? Sorry, Jet, but that's not really coherent. Whereas Posh Rascal Johnson won't even admit how many children he has. Is that really what you've resorted to? He's not very good with money? You know this how? How good at managing money would you say all ages of people forced to endure zero hour contracts under the tories are?

His CV tells me that he's been fighting for over 30 years, the same fight that young people are fighting today. I mean, we can go round the houses all night if you want, but all you really want to say is IRA.

I'm honestly sympathetic to that, if I'd lived through what you have then maybe I'd feel the same way. The troubles are over (for now - although Boris as PM will test that) and many of those involved went on to be public servants in the aftermath, so we can keep going back decades, or we can look at what Johnson has done with his eaton pals, to the whole union just in this last decade.

Where foodbanks now outnumber mcdonald's franchises, where sick children are lying on the floors of hospitals because the NHS has been killed by under funding, where sick and disabled people are told they're fit to work so are killing themselves because the government stops providing them with anything to live on, where the debt has soared, where they stole pension money from women born in the 50's and rather than accounting for what they've done with it, they're attacking Corbyn for saying he wants to give them back the money they worked their lives for.

I'll be honest, I don't know a huge amount about his IRA connections, but I do know the tories killing people today, which will only get worse post brexit, and that's more of a concern to me as things stand.

How do I know he means it? Because he has a record of fighting for it.

Corbyn's ex wife reported those personal family details, and also a friend of his, they are repeated in several books of which I have read extracts. There is a lot worse than that, maybe you should visit the library for copies. His poor family lost their home due to his fecklessness.

How do I know he means it? Because he has a record of fighting for it.

He hasn’t had much success then has he?

You think Corbyn is the answer to our prayers. I think he’s far from it.
You think he’s effective, I think he’s a rebellious adolescent who thrives on the 'fight' and the 'oh jeremy Corbyns'!!! but has too many weaknesses.
You can put aside his terrorist and anti semite connections. I can’t.

So we are just going round in circles really....

[Kizzy]

They would, I hope, if the leader was in danger of becoming the PM of the UK.

Is it not enough that they are 'supply' for this crooked govt...they were effectively bought for a billion to begin with! Then they have the cheek to lecture Corbyn about associating with dodgy people... pffft.