Black Widow - May 2020

[James]

Trailer for the next MCU film.

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A few fake Russian accents in that, heh.

[Tom4784]

It looks better than I was expecting, I think a Black Widow film should have happened years ago though, I think this might be Marvel's least successful film in years because everyone's kind of over the character (and ScarJo tbh).

Marvel waited too long to act on people's demands.

[Beso]

I have thousands of marvel books covering all edition numbers...all sealed and for sale.

[LukeB]

Looks amazing.

[Mystic Mock]

I reckon it will be a good Film.

[Marsh.]

A few fake Russian accents in that, heh.

A fake accent in a Hollywood movie? D: WhatEVER next!

[Marsh.]

Kind of don't understand the decision to give her a solo movie after killing her off. Seems like throwing scraps to a female hero for the sake of it.

[user104658]

It looks good, but I agree that it'll suffer box office wise because people will find it hard to be invested in a character when we already know her eventual fate :think:. Wish they'd made/released this pre infinity war.

[armand.kay]

dumbasses should've killed off Hawkeye's ugly ass instead, now this movie will flop

[Tony Montana]

Looks really good, although I agree that it should've been made prior to IW.

[Tony Montana]

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[Tony Montana]

Much better than the trailer, action looks great, now I'm really hyped for this. The choreography really does look promising.

[LukeB]

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[LukeB]

New poster
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESqvMg2U0AAxA41?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Tony Montana]

Looks awesome!

[Tony Montana]

Final trailer.

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[LukeB]

the trailer looks amazing!

[Niamh.]

dumbasses should've killed off Hawkeye's ugly ass instead, now this movie will flop

I know, does anyone even like that character? Weird decision, they were already killing one "big" character

[LukeB]

I know, does anyone even like that character? Weird decision, they were already killing one "big" character

I do like him but i don't care for him so i was really hoping he was the one to jump and it wasn't.
https://www.bravotv.com/sites/bravo/files/styles/amp_metadata_content_image_min_696px_wide/public/2019-10/taylor-armstrong-cat-yelling-meme.jpg?itok=u3vbqak7

I was more sad at her death than iron mans tbh :laugh: i think they wanted the audience to feel sad about the deaths and i think no one would actually care about Hawkeye's

[arista]

Hope they do a 4DX mix

[Tom4784]

I know, does anyone even like that character? Weird decision, they were already killing one "big" character

No one ever really stays dead in comic books, or by extension, comic book films. I think they decided against killing Hawkeye because everyone expected it to happen. I don't think anyone saw Black Widow dying before they watched Endgame, not with everyone knowing she had a film coming up.

If Black Widow does well, you can probably bet on Scarlet Johanssen coming back in some fashion at some point, same with RDJ and Chris Evans.

You can easily get around a character death with time travel or multiple dimensions.

[LukeB]

i'm praying this doesn't get delayed
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_1ptiGVAAMx5On.jpg

[LukeB]

Hope they do a 4DX mix

I hope so too, i think they will though.

[user104658]

I know, does anyone even like that character? Weird decision, they were already killing one "big" character

Given the characters backstories though, Hawkeye sacrificing himself to save Black Widow would be far less impactful than Black Widow doing so for Hawkeye. The story being that he "saved her life" by introducing her to Nick Fury and giving her the ability to leave the weird Russian-girl-assassin-school stuff behind and join S.H.I.E.L.D instead. She has "Red On Her Ledger", etc. (having been an active assassin for years before flipping).

[armand.kay]

i'm praying this doesn't get delayed
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_1ptiGVAAMx5On.jpg

but if it doesn't it'll tank :worry:

[LukeB]

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[Tony Montana]

Happy with November, just glad it's not being released next year.

[user104658]

November is ambitious, if there's a second wave and a second lockdown, the start of November is exactly when it'll happen :umm2:

[LukeB]

It's been brought forward in the uk

October 28th

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a32443501/black-widow-uk-release/

[Tony Montana]

excellent. :dance:

[LukeB]

excellent. :dance:


hopefully there's not a second wave

you can social distance in a cinema by doing more screenings and certain amount of people in the room and spreading them out if there not from the same household.

Bring your own food and drink too and wear a mask etc

[LukeB]

tbh i don't see this happening with a potential second wave because people are idiots.

I would say cinemas should open when we're on alert level 2 (or between 3 and 2)

because Black Widow and James Bond films are going to be popular they should do online/phone bookings only so they know how many people will see that film so they can use more than 1 room and spread people out and do a first serve basis for imax/4DX. Bringing your own food and drink and using a mask could be possible too.(that's if it's safe enough for things to open)

[LukeB]

If things are going to plan Black Widow is going ahead in May :love:

[Tom4784]

I think it'll get delayed again, I doubt it'll ever be released on D+ first though since they've said that this film isn't reliant on the MCU at large, it doesn't need to be released at a certain point to set something else up.

[LukeB]

I think it'll get delayed again, I doubt it'll ever be released on D+ first though since they've said that this film isn't reliant on the MCU at large, it doesn't need to be released at a certain point to set something else up.

Maybe by a week or so? I hope not too long because like the cinemas opening in May and they will have nothing to show other than old films. Black Widow has the may dates so it would make sense because that will draw in the numbers

[user104658]

I think the sad reality though is, the longer it's delayed the less relevant the film becomes. Now that the Disney+ shows are airing, and the Phase 4 films are starting to be properly announced (Spider-man name and release date announced etc.) it feels like it's all starting to move on... And Black Widow was a phase 1-3 cornerstone. It felt like a nice Swan-song for the character after Endgame but that was 2 years ago now, and it feels like it.

[LukeB]

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[LukeB]

This film was amazing :worship: one of the best MCU films!

[Tom4784]

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[user104658]

I’ll “spend £20 on it” :hehe: when I’m back home next week. We’re off travelling the highlands this week.

[James]

I don't want to spend £20 when I could see it for £5 at the cinema on Friday. (But I don't know if I will).

[user104658]

“Spending £20 on it” seems like the obvious option in this case for me. I really have no moral objection to “spending £20” on a movie that was supposed to be out 18 months ago.

[James]

“Spending £20 on it” seems like the obvious option in this case for me. I really have no moral objection to “spending £20” on a movie that was supposed to be out 18 months ago.

Ah, I get it now.

[Oliver_W]

“Spending £20 on it” seems like the obvious option in this case for me. I really have no moral objection to “spending £20” on a movie that was supposed to be out 18 months ago.

Yeah just sail the high seas, Disney don't deserve money for the latest photo-copied capeshit :dance:

[Marsh.]

Good film.

Aside from his accent (which is absolutely diabolical, and there's been some dodgy Russian accents in film history), his performance is piss poor , was Ray Winstone really the best they could think of for that role? :umm2: One of the things that REALLY dragged the film down. It had so much potential.

I kind of feel for Johansson really because, let's face it, Florence Pugh stole the movie. :laugh:

I enjoyed the twists and turns with the members of the family and their allegiances.

I take it Florence Pugh is gonna be in the Hawkeye series? Was this already known?

[Marsh.]

Yeah just sail the high seas, Disney don't deserve money for the latest photo-copied capeshit :dance:

Yet.... you'll still watch it, you just want stuff for free and use excuses like this.

[Oliver_W]

Yet.... you'll still watch it, you just want stuff for free and use excuses like this.

I don't mind paying for things, but I'll always advocate stealing from the Rat :D I'm not in a real hurry to watch this though, I'm kind of "done" with the past group of Avengers (apart from Spidey) now since Endgame, it just kinda feels like that chapter is closed, if that makes sense? I'm more likely to wait until the new characters trickle in.

[user104658]

Yet.... you'll still watch it, you just want stuff for free and use excuses like this.


The in this case I think it’s ridiculous that they’re charging £20 rather than just having it on Disney+, they should have done theatres only for 2 or 3 weeks then just slapped it on normal subscription streaming.

It would probably even entice some more people to subscribe so would actually make sense.

[Marsh.]

I don't disagree that the price is a little steep. But nobody's forced to purchase it on disney plus. :shrug:

I just find the moral stance funny when people are like "I'll watch it illegally instead". Go and support your local cinema if you genuinely cared? :hehe:

[Tom4784]

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[user104658]

I don't disagree that the price is a little steep. But nobody's forced to purchase it on disney plus. :shrug:

I just find the moral stance funny when people are like "I'll watch it illegally instead". Go and support your local cinema if you genuinely cared? :hehe:


I’d probably have considered a trip to the covidy cinema but sadly I am now physically disabled and cannot walk. So that’s very judgemental atcherly.

[Nicky91]

well now i have disney+ and i'm reading some good things, this has me really perched

[Marsh.]

I’d probably have considered a trip to the covidy cinema but sadly I am now physically disabled and cannot walk. So that’s very judgemental atcherly.

I meant the people opting to pirate the movie to "stick it to the house of mouse" as you well know. :nono:

[bots]

i have no objection to it being priced high while it's still in the cinema, they have to keep an incentive to watch it there. I expect it to drop in price as time goes by

[Tom4784]

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[Marsh.]

i have no objection to it being priced high while it's still in the cinema, they have to keep an incentive to watch it there. I expect it to drop in price as time goes by

It's just available with your usual subscription from October.

[user104658]

That’s one of the more confusing aspects really - by paying £20 I’m not even getting something I wouldn’t be getting relatively soon anyway… just a bit earlier as I do have Disney+ :think:

To be honest it’s been so long since it was due out that I’m not particularly desperate to see it immediately and it’s not like it’ll play into any of the current lore with other shows and films - so I might actually not get around to watching it until it’s on Disney+ anyway.

[Ramsay]

Went to the cinema for this and it was okie dokie. Nice post credits scene.
Oh and 10/10 opening credits scene

[Marsh.]

it’s not like it’ll play into any of the current lore with other shows.

:hehe:

[Tom4784]

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[Niamh.]

This is getting a lot of hate online, I really don't get why, myself and Gav both really enjoyed it, it seems like any superhero films with women leads just get slated now regardless.

I thought it was funny, the story was decent and there was good action in it

[bots]

It's managed to make $200 Million already with $60 million of it from Disney+ which is quite insane for a film released in a Pandemic.

i've nearly clicked the watch now button a few times already .... it sits there tempting me :laugh:

[Tom4784]

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[user104658]

Neckbeards brigading anything they perceive as 'woke' which translates to anything with a non-white, non-male, or non-straight lead or supporting characters. You ought to see what it's like with gaming, it's ridiculous, and god forbid if a male character or a white character gets gender/racebent

Doesn't even have to be a character alteration, look at the amount of TLOU2 hate. Yes, I know people think it also had other issues... but a quick dip into YouTube comments (if one dares) shows that there are plenty of people who are really just hacked off that they have to alternate between a gay girl and a muscly lady as the playable characters when they want to play as Daddy Joel.

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[Marsh.]

This is getting a lot of hate online, I really don't get why, myself and Gav both really enjoyed it, it seems like any superhero films with women leads just get slated now regardless.

I thought it was funny, the story was decent and there was good action in it

Yeah, it seems unfair. Whilst I could see a lot to criticise in Captain Marvel, I feel like Black Widow didn't fall into a lot of the failures of that movie. :shrug:

[Nicky91]

watched this last night


great movie overall, Rachel Weisz hmm good to see her again in another quality film (i have always liked her, since The Mummy) David Harbour yes also nice to see him in a different role than what i'm used to of him in stranger things


good debut for Florence Pugh as Yelena



great storyline too

[Jordan.]

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[Tom4784]

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[Niamh.]

Her earnings was basically tied up in how much profit the film made in theatres and it was stipulated in her contract that Disney wouldn't release it on Disney+. She lost out on $50million, she's got every right to sue, really.She is or was a couple of years ago the highest grossing actor regardless of sex but she was still no where near the highest paid actor most probably because she's a woman. I could see therefore why this **** would annoy her

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[Ammi]

…I know it’s been difficult with COVID in the industry and releases etc …but when Disney breached their agreement/contract with her and streamed it, they could have/should have reached an agreement for compensation for any losses to her financially….for such a huge company, it just feels so shabby and also so ‘cheap’….imagine if it was her that had breached the contract….they’d be on that lawsuit in a Disney moment, this seems as though it was so easily solvable for everyone ….

[Oliver_W]

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Her earnings was basically tied up in how much profit the film made in theatres and it was stipulated in her contract that Disney wouldn't release it on Disney+. She lost out on $50million, she's got every right to sue, really.

She is or was a couple of years ago the highest grossing actor regardless of sex but she was still no where near the highest paid actor most probably because she's a woman. I could see therefore why this **** would annoy her

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No matter how much she earns or what her sex is, the Rat basically swindled her out of a lot of money she's owed. ScarJo should rake the ****ers over the coals.

[Ammi]

…she was never going to say….oh well, it’s only $50 million so…

[Oliver_W]

…she was never going to say….oh well, it’s only $50 million so…

Well, exactly!

Like a lot of big fat businesses, they probably thought they could get away with cutting corners to screw people over.

[Jordan.]

Disney's response:

“There is no merit whatsoever to this filing,” Disney said in an unusually fiery statement. “The lawsuit is especially sad and distressing in its callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.”

The company went on to state that the star has already received $20 million for her work and argued that “the release of ‘Black Widow’ on Disney+ with Premier Access has significantly enhanced her ability to earn additional compensation on top of the $20M she has received to date.” Disney did not provide any information about whether or not Johansson’s pact was renegotiated so that she could share in streaming rental revenue.

Using the pandemic as a stick to beat someone with and an excuse not to adhere to a contract... and they want to call her the callous one :skull:

[Ammi]

…a lie keeps growing and growing until it’s as plain as the breach in your contract…/Pinocchio….

[Ammi]

…they considered their profits but it isn’t ok for Scarlett to consider her income…

[Ammi]

Disney's response:



Using the pandemic as a stick to beat someone with and an excuse not to adhere to a contract... and they want to call her the callous one :skull:

…your impact, Jordan…

Disney criticised for ‘disgusting’ response after Scarlett Johansson sues studio over Black Widow release…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/disney-criticised-disgusting-response-scarlett-061450472.html

[Niamh.]

…they considered their profits but it isn’t ok for Scarlett to consider her income…

This is the thing, people are like "boo hoo poor Scarlet, she only earned $20million" this only seems to apply when it's a female who's lost out on money. Are there bigger issues in the world? Of course there is but she's still entitled to claim back what's hers and sue this massive company for breaching their agreement :shrug:

[arista]

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Yes Disney
Pay her fast.

[Tom4784]

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[Ammi]

…not just what she’s earned but what her contact stated …I’m sure that Disney would have sued Scarlett had she breached it so honouring a contract has to work both ways, it’s the whole purpose of having one….Disney really are behaving shabby with this breach in how they’ve released the movie…

[Niamh.]

Yup, Disney broke their contract and essentially conned her out of her rightful due. The fact that she's a millionaire doesn't make the breach of contact right. Everyone is entitled to what they've earned.

Of course they are, I wouldn't mind but Disney is probably worth billions, trying to make Scarlet the baddie in this dispute by using the Pandemic as well is poor form

[bots]

let's see what the lawyers say, contracts are rarely that black and white

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

let's see what the lawyers say, contracts are rarely that black and white



Yes Disney Lawyers say, NO

[Ammi]

Disney has been criticised for its response to Scarlett Johansson’s lawsuit against the studio.

Johansson has alleged that the simultaneous release of Black Widow on Disney Plus as well as in cinemas violated her contract.

The actor’s lawsuit says that her compensation for the movie was “largely based” on Black Widow’s box office performance, and had “extracted a promise from Marvel that the release would be a ‘theatrical release’.’

It continues: “Disney was well aware of this promise, but nonetheless directed Marvel to violate its pledge and instead release the Picture on the Disney+ streaming service the very same day it was released in movie theatres.”

In response to Johansson, Disney released a statement, telling The Independent: “There is no merit whatsoever to this filing. The lawsuit is especially sad and distressing in its callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global effects of the Covid-19 pandemic.

“Disney has fully complied with Ms Johansson’s contract and furthermore, the release of Black Widow on Disney+ with Premier Access has significantly enhanced her ability to earn additional compensation on top of the $20m (£14.3m) she has received to date.”

Johansson, whose lawsuit says Disney “intentionally induced Marvel’s breach of the Agreement” to prevent her “from realising the full benefit of her bargain”, has been supported in her decision to take action against the studio.

“I don’t care how rich Scarlett Johansson already is,” wrote journalist Tomris Laffly. “She was *******ed over through a breach of contract and she should sue. You can’t really claim that you support professional women to demand what they’re worth and promised and then be like, ‘Except her, she’s doing fine as is.’”

Another Twitter user, who specialises in law, wrote: “When someone says you breached a contract and you start talking about global pandemics, you 100 per cent breached that contract.”

“Disney is worth $130 BILLION dollars and doesn’t want to pay an actress what she rightfully deserves. This statement is SO self-serving, it really disgusts me,” another added.



https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/disney-criticised-disgusting-response-scarlett-061450472.html

[bots]

the devil is in the detail .....

The actor’s lawsuit says that her compensation for the movie was “largely based” on Black Widow’s box office performance, and had “extracted a promise from Marvel that the release would be a ‘theatrical release’.’

a promise is not a contract

[Ammi]

Johansson, whose lawsuit says Disney “intentionally induced Marvel’s breach of the Agreement” to prevent her “from realising the full benefit of her bargain”, has been supported in her decision to take action against the studio.


…the ‘detail’ will be the lawyer/law team that wins the case…:laugh:…implied contracts are legally binding in the eyes of the law and Disney is not showing great ethics or honesty here from what is being said…

[Ammi]

…no matter the contract wording, I would interpret a pledge/promise etc as being an implied contractual thing and that is recognised legally as well…so the devil is open to what the court decides…

[Ammi]

…anyway, Team Scarlett…:love:…

[bots]

These things happen all the time. Someone will have made a commitment to her at a lower level in the company, but the contract is with the executive of the company, and unless that commitment made its way into the contract, by the time it gets to the executive, there isn't a whiff of any commitment.

It's nothing new, it has been happening forever in all sorts of business. Once bitten, twice shy

Just to add, at the time the contract was signed, it was pre-pandemic, no-one would be thinking that streaming it early would be a valid economic option, but times changed

[Ammi]

…well that bite left her shy of around 50 million…:laugh:…and we don’t know what the contracts says or who promised or pledged what and what level they were within the company etc…and that’s what the law suit will decide as it’s absolutely something that she’s not accepting and she shouldn’t accept it…this is her livelihood and the agreement is breaching what she felt that was agreed to…she’s in an industry that can have a very short working life span and she will consider her work offers based on what they have her believe they will fulfil…

[bots]

it's all very complex and i'm sure the lawyers will gleefully get involved. It's an important lesson though. None of us know what the future holds, so when it comes to contracts, dot the i's and cross the t's, cause thats all that matters in the land of litigation

[Ammi]

…another ‘lesson’ maybe for Disney…?…a brand that considers money and profit before people and promises shows none of the ethics and integrity that its reputation has always aimed to…maybe that’s how the court will see it, hmmmmm….

[user104658]

She is or was a couple of years ago the highest grossing actor regardless of sex but she was still no where near the highest paid actor most probably because she's a woman. I could see therefore why this **** would annoy her

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The irony is that this is largely because all of the highest earning actors have taken percentage deals linked to box office performance rather than a flat fee - e.g. this is why RDJ has earned so much from the Iron Man franchise. One of the first was Hugo Weaving who made an absolute fortune in the early 2000's as I believe he was getting revenue from both The Matrix triology and LOTR trilogy at the same time.

Anyway, that's the deal Scarlett Johansson had made for her solo movie, taking that advice on board from Avengers co-stars, but then the pandemic came along and she got ****ed over.

It's an unprecedented situation but that doesn't mean Disney should be saying "and therefore tough luck" - they should be saying "this is an unprecedented situation" and just bloody well pay her an estimate of what the revenue would have been pre-pandemic. They'd still be making a huge profit on the movie, and she's been a huge part of the Avengers franchise, which has grossed literally BILLIONS of dollars at the box office for Disney, not to mention merchandising etc.

Disney is easily worth $150 billion+ and, for the fact that her movie was impacted so badly by the pandemic and as she's been such a huge part of the MCU thus far, they should just have made an exception and paid her.

[Niamh.]

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[Ammi]

…I wouldn’t be messing with the Black Widow and Cruella de vil….

[Niamh.]

…I wouldn’t be messing with the Black Widow and Cruella de vil….

:love:

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[Niamh.]

Assholes

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/disney-has-reportedly-cuts-all-ties-with-scarlett-johansson/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=marveldc&fbclid=IwAR3ryFosXjZtogQyc9EFrvfNUDzoGSERywaV7u4jO dhv8hTGFwBqEcj5zNs

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[Marsh.]

She's literally had to fight tooth and nail to be treated as equal to her male counterparts her entire tenure with Marvel so they're simply making themselves look worse and worse. Wouldn't want to work for them again if I were her. Fortunately, she probably won't need to.

[Niamh.]

Speaking of her male marvel counterparts, It would have been nice if one of them would have spoken up for her

[user104658]

Speaking of her male marvel counterparts, It would have been nice if one of them would have spoken up for her

I'd say it's possible (maybe even probable) that they have contractual reasons that they legally can't.

[Niamh.]

I'd say it's possible (maybe even probable) that they have contractual reasons that they legally can't.

All of them though? Even RDJ who isn't in that franchise anymore?

[user104658]

All of them though? Even RDJ who isn't in that franchise anymore?

I was actually thinking RDJ more than anyone else because the money he makes from it is tied to revenue (so he will essentially be paid by Disney forever as I understand it).

Then again, he's already so rich that I think he'd get better press for speaking out even if it affected his contract. His net worth is something like 3x the "next highest avenger" (Hemsworth, I think).

I understand more the ones still making movies not speaking out, Disney have shown themselves to be ridiculously petty. Although I suspect if they all spoke up in a united way Disney would have a tough time doing anything about it, they're hardly going to cancel the entire multi-billion-$-a-year franchise.

[Niamh.]

I was actually thinking RDJ more than anyone else because the money he makes from it is tied to revenue (so he will essentially be paid by Disney forever as I understand it).

Then again, he's already so rich that I think he'd get better press for speaking out even if it affected his contract. His net worth is something like 3x the "next highest avenger" (Hemsworth, I think).

I understand more the ones still making movies not speaking out, Disney have shown themselves to be ridiculously petty. Although I suspect if they all spoke up in a united way Disney would have a tough time doing anything about it, they're hardly going to cancel the entire multi-billion-$-a-year franchise.

This has been the problem in Hollywood in general, people afraid to speak up about anything for fear of losing money or being black listed, it's why Harvey Weinstein and his kind were able to do what they did for so long too. The big guns like RDJ need to be the ones leading the way, if they do it everyone else can speak too

[Oliver_W]

I was actually thinking RDJ more than anyone else because the money he makes from it is tied to revenue (so he will essentially be paid by Disney forever as I understand it).

Then again, he's already so rich that I think he'd get better press for speaking out even if it affected his contract. His net worth is something like 3x the "next highest avenger" (Hemsworth, I think).

I understand more the ones still making movies not speaking out, Disney have shown themselves to be ridiculously petty. Although I suspect if they all spoke up in a united way Disney would have a tough time doing anything about it, they're hardly going to cancel the entire multi-billion-$-a-year franchise.

There are probably all kinds of crazy NDAs and other binding contracts tbh.

I'm more of a reader than watcher, and a DC comics writer who'd previously worked for Marvel once said even for the small amount of work he did for them, there were all sorts of gagging orders he had to sign, and even saying that was technically a breach.

The comics are obviously a different "division", but still part of the same empire. And look above Marvel, and we have the stinking Rat. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney had written it into the contracts that any overt criticism of the way they run things mean they'd be cut off.

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[user104658]

There are probably all kinds of crazy NDAs and other binding contracts tbh.

I'm more of a reader than watcher, and a DC comics writer who'd previously worked for Marvel once said even for the small amount of work he did for them, there were all sorts of gagging orders he had to sign, and even saying that was technically a breach.

The comics are obviously a different "division", but still part of the same empire. And look above Marvel, and we have the stinking Rat. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney had written it into the contracts that any overt criticism of the way they run things mean they'd be cut off.

The little bits of info that have been emerging make it clear that it is indeed Disney rather than Marvel who have called the shots here, both with the original dispute and now with cutting ties.

I think you're probably right on the NDA's and there will be rules about individual contracts that mean people are free to comment on their own contract, but not the contracts of others.

Still, there are potential ways around that, in terms of making a "broad statement" about fairness etc. that is clearly supportive but doesn't actually reference the specific situation. On balance I do think some of the bigger names could be doing more. The "individual franchise holders" like RDJ/Hemsworth/Evans, certainly. I'd also have included Tom Holland in that but him being mainly under Sony and the weird, complicated relationship between Disney/Sony with the Spider-man franchise probably makes it literally impossible for him to comment on something like this without causing billions of dollars worth of damage :joker:.

[James]

If the movie-going business doesn't recover to what it was before the pandemic it is going to mean the end of a lot of high-budget film-making.

It has been reported that attendances are 50% now of what they were, and most of the releases aren't making their money back for the studios.

They'll put more on streaming services, but that would mean lower-budget productions.

[Oliver_W]

If the movie-going business doesn't recover to what it was before the pandemic it is going to mean the end of a lot of high-budget film-making.



Good, quite frankly.

Hollywood's needed to burn, or at least be slapped right down, for a while now. A cesspit of sexual harrassment, and not to mention crapholes like the Rat excreting constant soulless remakes and franchises ...

[user104658]

Good, quite frankly.

Hollywood's needed to burn, or at least be slapped right down, for a while now. A cesspit of sexual harrassment, and not to mention crapholes like the Rat excreting constant soulless remakes and franchises ...

You have to wonder if Disney has somewhat seen this coming though... given they started a clear effort to slide into streaming. The MCU for a full two years now has been mainly a streaming mini-series franchise. The lines are blurring in terms of what's possible as well, TV post-production has come on in leaps and bounds over the last decade or two. The likes of Netflix/Amazon prime/Disney+, and the bigger broadcast/cable channels, have effects that would have been considered high-budget-movie-quality 10 years ago. I think it was going this way even pre-covid. Big household names started appearing in limited series in a way that just didn't happen even a few years back, when cinematic movies were considered "the big leagues".

[Zizu]

You have to wonder if Disney has somewhat seen this coming though... given they started a clear effort to slide into streaming. The MCU for a full two years now has been mainly a streaming mini-series franchise. The lines are blurring in terms of what's possible as well, TV post-production has come on in leaps and bounds over the last decade or two. The likes of Netflix/Amazon prime/Disney+, and the bigger broadcast/cable channels, have effects that would have been considered high-budget-movie-quality 10 years ago. I think it was going this way even pre-covid. Big household names started appearing in limited series in a way that just didn't happen even a few years back, when cinematic movies were considered "the big leagues".


I was surprised to see Disney advertising the final series of The Walking Dead today !!


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[user104658]

I was surprised to see Disney advertising the final series of The Walking Dead today !!


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Only in the UK and Ireland. It’s a slightly complicated part of the airing rights for TWD… Fox television owned the airing and syndication rights for The Walking Dead in the UK and Ireland (it aired on FX). Disney now owns Fox and acquired the UK channels in the purchase, along with those syndication rights, which also gives them streaming rights, and so they can whack it on Disney+ here, but not in other countries.

[Niamh.]

Scarlet Witch backing Scarlet Johansson :love: Looks like from reading this article Drax backed her too, and these two were the only Marvel actors to speak up for her

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/elizabeth-olsen-scarlett-johansson-disney-lawsuit-jason-sudeikis-1235047133/?fbclid=IwAR2BZUmXDXow4oRSDpjzD28FI3l2odxG4vUCPEe5 hHxTbQnZR2H6QxmJ3bI

[Niamh.]

Jamie Lee Curtis has Scarlett Johansson's back!

The 62-year-old actress penned a special message for the Black Widow star as part of Time's 100 Most Influential People of 2021. Published on Wednesday, Curtis fiercely defends Johansson amid her lawsuit against Disney.

"I recently watched her own the screen as the Black Widow, who exacts revenge on a powerful figure who manipulates (emphasis on man) women to fight for him," Curtis writes. "And then I saw her brilliant response to a real-life manipulation (same emphasis), when she filed a breach-of-*contract lawsuit against the studio, alleging its decision to release the film simultaneously in theaters and on streaming cost her substantial losses in pay."

"Whether as an assassin with a conscience, an actor with an emotional center or, having just given birth to her second child, a fierce mother, the message is clear: Don’t ****** with this mama bear," Curtis adds.
https://www.etonline.com/scarlett-johansson-is-fiercely-defended-by-jamie-lee-curtis-amid-her-disney-lawsuit-172166

[bots]

Scarlett Johansson and the Walt Disney Co. on Thursday settled her lawsuit over the streaming release of “Black Widow,” bringing a swift end to what had begun as the first major fight between a studio and star over recent changes in rollout plans for films.

Johansson filed the lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court two months ago, saying the streaming release of the Marvel movie breached her contract and deprived her of potential earnings.

Terms of the deal were not disclosed, but the two sides released a joint statement in which they pledged to continue working together.

“I am happy to have resolved our differences with Disney,” said Johansson, who has played Natasha Romanoff aka Black Widow, in nine movies going back to 2010’s “Iron Man 2.” “I’m incredibly proud of the work we’ve done together over the years and have greatly enjoyed my creative relationship with the team. I look forward to continuing our collaboration.”

Alan Bergman, chairman of Disney Studios Content, said he is “pleased that we have been able to come to a mutual agreement.”

“We appreciate her contributions to the Marvel Cinematic Universe and look forward to working together on a number of upcoming projects,” Bergman said.

The lawsuit said Johansson’s contract guaranteed an exclusive theatrical release, with her potential earnings tied to the box office performance of the film.

But as it has with other recent releases since the coronavirus pandemic began, Disney released the film simultaneously in theaters and through its streaming service Disney+ for a $30 rental.

The rhetoric of the lawsuit and Disney’s response suggested a long and ugly battle was ahead.

“In the months leading up to this lawsuit, Ms. Johansson gave Disney and Marvel every opportunity to right their wrong and make good on Marvel’s promise,” the lawsuit said. “Disney intentionally induced Marvel’s breach of the Agreement, without justification, in order to prevent Ms. Johansson from realizing the full benefit of her bargain with Marvel.”

Disney at the time said the lawsuit had “no merit whatsoever,” adding that it was “especially sad and distressing in its callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.”

Disney said the changed release plan “significantly enhanced her ability to earn additional compensation on top of the $20M she has received to date.”

Delayed more than a year because of COVID-19, “Black Widow” debuted to a what was then a pandemic-best of $80 million in North America and $78 million from international theaters on July 9. But theatrical grosses declined sharply after that. In its second weekend in release, the National Association of Theater Owners issued a rare statement criticizing the strategy.

Revised hybrid release strategies have occasionally led to public spats between stars, filmmakers and financiers who are unhappy with potential lost revenues and their lack of say in such strategies.

But none were as big or as public as Johansson’s lawsuit.

https://apnews.com/article/scarlett-johansson-disney-settle-black-widow-lawsuit-5bacb3759f897c442c83429698de5b66

[user104658]

Disney at the time said the lawsuit had “no merit whatsoever,” adding that it was “especially sad and distressing in its callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.”


Honestly this still makes me chuckle, it’s such a PR nightmare, whoever put this statement out very clearly forgot to take off their lawyer hate and put on their long term planning hat :laugh:.

[James]

Why is the volume of this film so low on Disney+? It's a little difficult to hear the dialogue.

I'm watching through the web browser, and it was fine for the episode of Book of Boba Fett I watched before.

[bots]

Ive found the sound isn't normalised much at all on these movies meaning that there is a huge dynamic range between quiet and loud parts. So you turn up the volume to hear them speak and then jump out your seat when they hammer the special effects :laugh:

[James]

I finished watching this film. It's pretty good.

A bit weird hearing all these comedy Russian-accents, during current events. :s

[user104658]

I finally got around to watching this today, because I was watching the Hawkeye series and when Yelena showed up I was like "Ah I should prolly watch Black Widow..." :laugh:

I thought it was actually very good, though it does lose something because Natasha is already dead. Like watching a ghost :worry:. It should really have been released when it's set; between Civil War and Infinity War. Should have come after Black Panther. The next time I do a "full MCU rewatch" I'll probably do chronological order and that's where I'll place it.

I finished watching this film. It's pretty good.

A bit weird hearing all these comedy Russian-accents, during current events. :s

To be fair the film is pretty anti-Russian :umm2:

[bots]

it was good entertainment, it was never going to be a "thinkers" film :laugh:

[James]

I finally got around to watching this today, because I was watching the Hawkeye series and when Yelena showed up I was like "Ah I should prolly watch Black Widow..." :laugh:

I thought it was actually very good, though it does lose something because Natasha is already dead. Like watching a ghost :worry:. It should really have been released when it's set; between Civil War and Infinity War. Should have come after Black Panther. The next time I do a "full MCU rewatch" I'll probably do chronological order and that's where I'll place it.



To be fair the film is pretty anti-Russian :umm2:

It is probably the least important take on the current situation but you wonder if Marvel won't use Florence Pugh's character Yelena now because she is Russian.

[user104658]

It is probably the least important take on the current situation but you wonder if Marvel won't use Florence Pugh's character Yelena now because she is Russian.Ther s the possibility that they'll just retcon her fake accent and not reference her being Russian; they rarely did with Black Widow.

And there's precedent for the accent switch. Scarlet Witches' Eastern European accent all but vanished after Age of Ultron.

[Niamh.]

Ther s the possibility that they'll just retcon her fake accent and not reference her being Russian; they rarely did with Black Widow.

And there's precedent for the accent switch. Scarlet Witches' Eastern European accent all but vanished after Age of Ultron.The accent is one of favourite things about her character though [emoji38]

[James]

I've watched Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings now, and to be honest I wasn't really into it. I liked it best at the start with the bus scene and then Macau, but after that it dragged.

I don't know what the ending was either.

I might cancel Disney+ soon, there's not much else I want to see.

[bots]

the series that were on netflix have been recalled to disney+ and there are plans to create more of them. So thats jessica jones, the defenders etc