Mass animal slaughter.

[Kazanne]

Did anyone on here know about this ritual ? Its the first I had heard of it and wish I never had,how barbaric to kill all those animals , not even for meat from what I can see, just for the sake of some hindu goddess, 200,000 ,utter carnage and unnecessary,imo, some people just don't seem to have any empathy, I cant get my head round it.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nepals-mass-animal-slaughter-begins-despite-outcry/ar-BBXGaXc?ocid=spartanntp

[Saph]

I've never understood the whole 'sacrifice for the gods' stuff.. like aren't gods in religion supposed to have created life.. why kill it for them

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've never understood the whole 'sacrifice for the gods' stuff.. like aren't gods in religion supposed to have created life.. why kill it for them
There is no reason or logic its nasty vile superstition, cruelty and control from poorly educated people.

[arista]

Nepal next to Tibet
a poor nation
will sadly not change................

[thesheriff443]

They should sacrifice themselves uneducated savages

[Grim Reaper]

Nepal next to Tibet
a poor nation
will sadly not change................

I spent 6 months trekking round Nepal 30 years ago and they are the loveliest,kindest and most hard working people I've ever come across. Unfortunately being also amongst the poorest nations of the world means they don't always see animal rights quite the way we do but I would say they don't treat animals badly out of cruelty more of necessity!

[Niamh.]

"See animal rights the way we do" is kind of funny considering the west mass slaughter alot more animals, the moral highground is kind of disingenuous, just because you eat the animals doesn't make it less cruel for them

[Crimson Dynamo]

"See animal rights the way we do" is kind of funny considering the west mass slaughter alot more animals, the moral highground is kind of disingenuous, just because you eat the animals doesn't make it less cruel for them

The method of killing is hardly similar and we don't kill based on a pathetic superstition. It's in no way comparable

[Niamh.]

The method of killing is hardly similar and we don't kill based on a pathetic superstition. It's in no way comparableDo you think the fact that you eat the animals gives them some comfort? [emoji23]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you think the fact that you eat the animals gives them some comfort? [emoji23]

As I said it's not in anyway comparable. We all die, so why keep old people in care homes, why not shoot them?

[Niamh.]

As I said it's not in anyway comparable. We all die, so why keep old people in care homes, why not shoot them?Or eat them?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Or eat them?

Very little good protein

[Marsh.]

As I said it's not in anyway comparable. We all die, so why keep old people in care homes, why not shoot them?

Why are you comparing animals mass slaughtered for food to elderly people in care homes?

[Jordan.]

The method of killing is hardly similar and we don't kill based on a pathetic superstition. It's in no way comparable

People justifiying the mass murder of animals because they think they need meat to survive isn't a pathetic superstition?

[Mystic Mock]

Killing animals to eat isn't the same as killing an animal because 'God told me to' imo.

Obviously it's not nice for the animals, but one is for food at least which in my view I see as understandable.

[thesheriff443]

You can be a meat eater and still care for the welfare of animals and not want to be mistreated.

My rabbit just jumped on the bed licking my arm with his little tongue for head and face rub

[Niamh.]

Killing animals to eat isn't the same as killing an animal because 'God told me to' imo.

Obviously it's not nice for the animals, but one is for food at least which in my view I see as understandable.There is no valid or good reason to the animal and taking the moral highground as to what constitutes as a good reason to kill them is hypocritical and makes no difference to the animals who are being killed. If you want to eat meat, eat meat, it tastes good but if you then act like a moral judge on other people who kill animals because you think their reason "isn't as good as yours" then you look foolish imo

[Ammi]

There is no valid or good reason to the animal and taking the moral highground as to what constitutes as a good reason to kill them is hypocritical and makes no difference to the animals who are being killed. If you want to eat meat, eat meat, it tastes good but if you then act like a moral judge on other people who kill animals because you think their reason "isn't as good as yours" then you look foolish imo

...perfectly said..:love:..if an animal is slaughtered, it’s slaughtering becomes no lesser because of the reason..and animal meat is not an essential to human life...

[Mystic Mock]

There is no valid or good reason to the animal and taking the moral highground as to what constitutes as a good reason to kill them is hypocritical and makes no difference to the animals who are being killed. If you want to eat meat, eat meat, it tastes good but if you then act like a moral judge on other people who kill animals because you think their reason "isn't as good as yours" then you look foolish imo

No offence but killing them as a sacrifice is way more evil than eating them for Meat. I don't really get the debate on this one tbh.

But then I don't buy that Vigilante's are just as bad as a cold blooded murderer either (off topic I know) but I do think that the reason why you're doing something is massively important imo (especially if it's an act that could be deemed evil) and the reason why this thread was opened in the first place is the far more evil reason imo, there's absolutely no valid reason to kill the animal in this incident, where as at least people will gain benefits from eating an animal.

I understand why people disagree with eating Meat themselves, but to compare us to nutjobs is out of order imo.

[Niamh.]

Evil to who though? You? But you're not the victim, the animal is so what right do you have to judge it as a culture who also partakes in mass slaughter of animals?

If you were walking home tonight and someone hit you over the back of the head and kidnapped you, you wake up in their basement and they tell you they're going to kill you, would it matter to you if their reason was for a religious sacrifice or because they wanted to eat you? Would you say oh fair enough, if they fancied a bit of mock steak? [emoji23]

[Ammi]

No offence but killing them as a sacrifice is way more evil than eating them for Meat. I don't really get the debate on this one tbh.

But then I don't buy that Vigilante's are just as bad as a cold blooded murderer either (off topic I know) but I do think that the reason why you're doing something is massively important imo (especially if it's an act that could be deemed evil) and the reason why this thread was opened in the first place is the far more evil reason imo, there's absolutely no valid reason to kill the animal in this incident, where as at least people will gain benefits from eating an animal.

I understand why people disagree with eating Meat themselves, but to compare us to nutjobs is out of order imo.

...but it’s people individually who are defining what ‘evil’ is though and what defines ‘valid’...a slaughtered animal is a slaughtered animal and their death is no less, regardless of what the reason...a cultural Hindu festival/ritual that dates back centuries, would be seen as a valid reason by some, but not by others...

[Mystic Mock]

Evil to who though? You? But you're not the victim, the animal is so what right do you have to judge it as a culture who also partakes in mass slaughter of animals?

If you were walking home tonight and someone hit you over the back of the head and kidnapped you, you wake up in their basement and they tell you they're going to kill you, what it matter to you if there reason was for a religious sacrifice or because they wanted to eat you? Would you say oh fair enough, if they fancied a bit of mock steak? [emoji23]

But I've already said in my original post on this thread that it's not nice for the animals (I especially don't like the methods on how the animals are killed) but as we both know the different reasons as to why the animals are killed, I would rather them be killed for Meat consumption or possible cures for diseases over a 'God' telling them to do it, or to look fashionable in some way, or because it's a fun sport for the individual. But that's how I see it personally, I get however that you see it differently.:)

And for me I wouldn't want either, I'd rather take the brick.:joker:

Thankfully Cannibalism is an illegal activity so they're definitely worse morally. It probably helps that it's counted as murder.:joker:

[thesheriff443]

...perfectly said..:love:..if an animal is slaughtered, it’s slaughtering becomes no lesser because of the reason..and animal meat is not an essential to human life...

The human race started out as meat eaters, not cows eating grass in a field.

When you start talking about morals, vegetarians are not better humans based on the fact they don’t eat meat.

Killing an animal for a ritual falls into the same category as killing an animal for sport.

[Ammi]

...only to those who don’t hold the culture/ritual, though...a cultural ritual dating back centuries has a specific meaning to all of those who believe in it...whether we or others believe in it or not or what our feelings are about it...a sport is an entirely different thing, it holds no ritual significance in the same way...I don’t agree with the killing of these buffalo...but, like Niamh...I don’t understand the ‘rating of death/killing/slaughter’...when none are necessary and the result of each is identical to the animal...death...

[Mystic Mock]

...but it’s people individually who are defining what ‘evil’ is though and what defines ‘valid’...a slaughtered animal is a slaughtered animal and their death is no less, regardless of what the reason...a cultural Hindu festival/ritual that dates back centuries, would be seen as a valid reason by some, but not by others...

Of course people see things differently, but are you honestly gonna say that every reason for killing an animal is just as evil as each other? Because to me that's just not real life as normally even with criminals (again off topic I know) there is a hierarchy on who is more evil than who between murderers, rapists etc.

To me I see Meat eaters as more innocent than Religious nutjobs who kill animals, however I get that (like you pointed out Ammi) that not everyone will see it the same as I do, I've just got to be honest and say that I do find that opinion a bit strange though.

I understand people being against eating Meat (as I hope that a lot of people could) I just personally from my own perspective don't see it as quite as evil as other reasons to kill animals.

[thesheriff443]

My brother was a butcher for 25 years and started a 13, he has worked in slaughter house culled dear and cut them up while still warm, but he won’t let a animal go hungry get cold or be in pain.

[Marsh.]

there is a hierarchy on who is more evil than who between murderers, rapists etc.


The obvious answer to this is that whilst there may be a "hierarchy" they are all still criminals.

So, whilst different people justify their slaughter of animals for varying different reasons, they're still killing animals for their own ends and nothing to do with the wellbeing or life of the animal. So, again, it's all in the same box.

[Niamh.]

But I've already said in my original post on this thread that it's not nice for the animals (I especially don't like the methods on how the animals are killed) but as we both know the different reasons as to why the animals are killed, I would rather them be killed for Meat consumption or possible cures for diseases over a 'God' telling them to do it, or to look fashionable in some way, or because it's a fun sport for the individual. But that's how I see it personally, I get however that you see it differently.:)

And for me I wouldn't want either, I'd rather take the brick.:joker:

Thankfully Cannibalism is an illegal activity so they're definitely worse morally. It probably helps that it's counted as murder.:joker:

Cannibalism is illegal because we are humans, but on a moral level nothing wants to be killed to be eaten. You can say you're less evil than religious people who kill animals for sacrifice but they're not killing those animals because they are evil and just love killing things, they genuinely believe in what they're doing, just like most religious people do religious stuff because they genuinely believe it's right. So if they genuinely believe they're right, how does that make them evil? Just as you believe you're right to kill an animal for food. At the end of the day the end result is the animal is dead and it doesn't want to be dead, the animal is the only victim in either case and it doesn't give a **** why you did it, only that you did for a reason that benefits you

[thesheriff443]

I’d rather see an animal killed for food than one shot for sport.

Humans used to sacrifice humans for gifts to the gods.

Animals are killed by other animals it’s part of the food chain.

[thesheriff443]

Frankie Boyle does a joke, there is a vegetarian option, you can fxxx off.

[Kazanne]

I’d rather see an animal killed for food than one shot for sport.

Humans used to sacrifice humans for gifts to the gods.

Animals are killed by other animals it’s part of the food chain.

I know that sheriff ,but animals have no conscience that they are causing pain and distress for an ideology , and are all those slaughtered animals actually eaten ? and if its for food why is it only held every 5 years ? from the description the killing field is the size of a football pitch !!! you can only imagine the carnage and fear for those animals and people climbing poles to get a look, some people are barbaric, you only have to visit Spain/China etc to see that.

[thesheriff443]

I know that sheriff ,but animals have no conscience that they are causing pain and distress for an ideology , and are all those slaughtered animals actually eaten ? and if its for food why is it only held every 5 years ? from the description the killing field is the size of a football pitch !!! you can only imagine the carnage and fear for those animals and people climbing poles to get a look, some people are barbaric, you only have to visit Spain/China etc to see that.

I’m on your side, if you read back through.

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here, can people try to stay on topic please

[Kizzy]

I spent 6 months trekking round Nepal 30 years ago and they are the loveliest,kindest and most hard working people I've ever come across. Unfortunately being also amongst the poorest nations of the world means they don't always see animal rights quite the way we do but I would say they don't treat animals badly out of cruelty more of necessity!

Thankyou for a bit of perspective. We may not agree with ancient practices but to disrespect other civilisations in a colonial manner while turning a blind eye to modern injustices closer to home to me smacks of hypocrisy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thankyou for a bit of perspective. We may not agree with ancient practices but to disrespect other civilisations in a colonial manner while turning a blind eye to modern injustices closer to home to me smacks of hypocrisy.

no one is saying they are not nice people, they are uneducated people when it comes to understanding the world and are still wracked with superstition and fear believing in fake gods

"Around 200 butchers wielding curved kukri knives then descended on a walled temple arena containing an estimated 3,500 buffalo to behead the animals."


the reason they do this is superstition and there is no need


This thread is specifically about this event.

[Kazanne]

no one is saying they are not nice people, they are uneducated people when it comes to understanding the world and are still wracked with superstition and fear believing in fake gods

"Around 200 butchers wielding curved kukri knives then descended on a walled temple arena containing an estimated 3,500 buffalo to behead the animals."


the reason they do this is superstition and there is no need


This thread is specifically about this event.

:clap1::clap1:

[Marsh.]

Uneducated for not seeing the world in the same way as LT.

:facepalm:

[Kizzy]

no one is saying they are not nice people, they are uneducated people when it comes to understanding the world and are still wracked with superstition and fear believing in fake gods

"Around 200 butchers wielding curved kukri knives then descended on a walled temple arena containing an estimated 3,500 buffalo to behead the animals."


the reason they do this is superstition and there is no need


This thread is specifically about this event.
By whom do they need educating? As I said different civilisation different rules. It's not that long ago the western world was as barbarous.

If it makes you feel better imagine all the foxes ripped to pieces over a year or two in one arena or any other animal that is bred for 'sport' by the genteel, different perspective same outcome.

[Livia]

Uneducated for not seeing the world in the same way as LT.

:facepalm:

Uneducated because they are uneducated. It's not a slur... it's a fact.

[Marsh.]

Uneducated because they are uneducated. It's not a slur... it's a fact.

Not really. It's different moral standards.

Just because LT is not religious doesn't give him any highground.

[Livia]

Not really. It's different moral standards.

Just because LT is not religious doesn't give him any highground.

They aren't as advanced as we are. They are what we were... They are not educated. They may be intelligent... but educated? No.

LT owns the high ground. Or at least has a long-term lease on it.

[Marsh.]

They aren't as advanced as we are. They are what we were... They are not educated. They may be intelligent... but educated? No.

LT owns the high ground. Or at least has a long-term lease on it.

I was talking more his disparaging comments about religion, despite our own country's religious people and despite our apparently more educated population.

Well he'd have to purchase his high ground, he sure didn't earn it. :hee:

[Livia]

I was talking more his disparaging comments about religion, despite our own country's religious people and despite our apparently more educated population.

Well he'd have to purchase his high ground, he sure didn't earn it. :hee:

Yeah, but LT makes disparaging comments about all religions, it's all part of his mystique.

[Kizzy]

Uneducated because they are uneducated. It's not a slur... it's a fact.

By who's standards Livia...
And in what respect uneducated?

Like brexit means brexit what does 'uneducated' in the context of the whole world mean to you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not really. It's different moral standards.

Just because LT is not religious doesn't give him any highground.

can you explain using the best scientific knowledge that man has gleaned over the last 500 years why they kill the animals?

[Kizzy]

They aren't as advanced as we are. They are what we were... They are not educated. They may be intelligent... but educated? No.

LT owns the high ground. Or at least has a long-term lease on it.

I'm not religious either.. can I have some high ground?

[Niamh.]

can you explain using the best scientific knowledge that man has gleaned over the last 500 years why they kill the animals?

Tbf you could use that argument in the west aswell to anyone who follows any religion and why they still believe what they do

[Kizzy]

can you explain using the best scientific knowledge that man has gleaned over the last 500 years why they kill the animals?

Science giveth and science taketh away...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tbf you could use that argument in the west aswell to anyone who follows any religion and why they still believe what they do

absolutely but our own Christian superstition is reformed and we dont kill things thinking that it will please a "God"

Unlike say the London bridge murderer who did that exact thing

[Kizzy]

absolutely but our own Christian superstition is reformed and we dont kill things thinking that it will please a "God"

Unlike say the London bridge murderer who did that exact thing

So the old testament and 'an eye for an eye' is outdated and wrong?

I'm telling ...

[Niamh.]

absolutely but our own Christian superstition is reformed and we dont kill things thinking that it will please a "God"

Unlike say the London bridge murderer who did that exact thing

It's not "my" anything but you're saying all religious people are uneducated, yes?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not "my" anything but you're saying all religious people are uneducated, yes?

no, but they are (if they actually do) believing in something with no evidence and based on a common middle eastern myth from 2000 years ago. WHich is not great and most likely was illogically passed down to them by their parents.

Its a dying thing in the UK as it becomes harder to believe such things as technology progresses beyond what one reads in a poorly set out old book.

[Kizzy]

no, but they are (if they actually do) believing in something with no evidence and based on a common middle eastern myth from 2000 years ago. WHich is not great and most likely was illogically passed down to them by their parents.

Its a dying thing in the UK as it becomes harder to believe such things as technology progresses beyond what one reads in a poorly set out old book.
That view could rightly be classed as antisemitic.

[Niamh.]

no, but they are (if they actually do) believing in something with no evidence and based on a common middle eastern myth from 2000 years ago. WHich is not great and most likely was illogically passed down to them by their parents.

Its a dying thing in the UK as it becomes harder to believe such things as technology progresses beyond what one reads in a poorly set out old book.

So when everyone is more evolved all religion will die out?

[Kizzy]

So when everyone is more evolved all religion will die out?

LT is a highly evolved entity! ... Can't you tell?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So when everyone is more evolved all religion will die out?

Well as societies become more equal and educated religion has been seen to die out but there 260 million children in the world who currently dont go to school

[Niamh.]

Well as societies become more equal and educated religion has been seen to die out but there 260 million children in the world who currently dont go to school

Thanks, evolution & Education = No religion, just checking :thumbs:

[Beso]

They probably only do it to antagonise the Indian population that treat all living things as sacred.

[The Slim Reaper]

can you explain using the best scientific knowledge that man has gleaned over the last 500 years why they kill the animals?

Why do religious people cut skin off babies?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do religious people cut skin off babies?

I think as i recall it was initially to guard against welcoming into a tribe a stranger who could be dangerous, if they were circumcised they were part of them and so could be trusted. ie a sure fire way of making sure a person was who they said they were

back in early civilisation and through human evolution religion was discovered to be a way to make large numbers of people do things together and behave in large groups. One man could not make more than say 100 people do things, one god could make 5000

[Livia]

Ah... circumcision. That took a little longer than I imagined.

[The Slim Reaper]

I think as i recall it was initially to guard against welcoming into a tribe a stranger who could be dangerous, if they were circumcised they were part of them and so could be trusted. ie a sure fire way of making sure a person was who they said they were

back in early civilisation and through human evolution religion was discovered to be a way to make large numbers of people do things together and behave in large groups. One man could not make more than say 100 people do things, one god could make 5000

The origins of it are not really known with any certainty. Pretty sure that skin art has been around equally as long though, so there would be other ways to identify yourself to a certain group. Is it a good or healthy thing to do in your opinion?

[thesheriff443]

Ah... circumcision. That took a little longer than I imagined.

Lt got them on the run.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The origins of it are not really known with any certainty. Pretty sure that skin art has been around equally as long though, so there would be other ways to identify yourself to a certain group. Is it a good or healthy thing to do in your opinion?

its disgustng and most americans (80%) do it based on BS like "its healthier" or "cleaner"

:umm2:

[The Slim Reaper]

its disgustng and most americans (80%) do it based on BS like "its healthier" or "cleaner"

:umm2:

https://media.giphy.com/media/UjCXeFnYcI2R2/giphy.gif

[Kizzy]

It's relevant to the discussion, some practices are seen as essential in the modern world and some not. I'd like to know too where to draw the line on ancient ritual and their relevance today.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's relevant to the discussion, some practices are seen as essential in the modern world and some not. I'd like to know too where to draw the line on ancient ritual and their relevance today.

how do you mean?

[Kizzy]

Lt got them on the run.

Not really, the tribal identification reasoning proves it's out dated today, as outmoded as this animal slaughter.... It is an ancient practice that our modern education and science should have taught us is totally unnecessary.

[thesheriff443]

There going to do a horror film using vegetarian zombies, that go round biting plants and vegetables.

[Kizzy]

how do you mean?

I mean why are some rituals acceptable in our modern educated world and yet we frown on other so called less 'advanced' peoples for their rites?
Hypocrisy or ignorance?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean why are some rituals acceptable in our modern educated world and yet we frown on other so called less 'advanced' peoples for their rites?
Hypocrisy or ignorance?

I dont think we do as long as no one is getting killed

[Kizzy]

I dont think we do as long as no one is getting killed

Right so mutilation is ok because they don't die?

And the killing of animals in sport what was your view on this again? ...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Right so mutilation is ok because they don't die?

And the killing of animals in sport what was your view on this again? ...

I think we may be talking at crossed purposes as I'm not following your point?

[Zizu]

I think as i recall it was initially to guard against welcoming into a tribe a stranger who could be dangerous, if they were circumcised they were part of them and so could be trusted. ie a sure fire way of making sure a person was who they said they were



back in early civilisation and through human evolution religion was discovered to be a way to make large numbers of people do things together and behave in large groups. One man could not make more than say 100 people do things, one god could make 5000



Jesus .. there must be a less painless way of identifying people :)

A tattoo or a branding ??

Also why are these travelling strangers walking around with the knobbs on show :)



In the other side ... circumcised willies are a cleaner option and the guys can “go for’ longer as the heads aren’t as sensitive ..

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Jesus .. there must be a less painless way of identifying people :)

A tattoo or a branding ??

Also why are these travelling strangers walking around with the knobbs on show :)



In the other side ... circumcised willies are a cleaner option and the guys can “go for’ longer as the heads aren’t as sensitive ..

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Both myths I'm afraid

[Marsh.]

Yeah, but LT makes disparaging comments about all religions, it's all part of his mystique.

I know he does. That's what I'm calling him out on.

[Marsh.]

absolutely but our own Christian superstition is reformed and we dont kill things thinking that it will please a "God"

Unlike say the London bridge murderer who did that exact thing

We? Speaking on behalf of religious groups now are we?

[Marsh.]

can you explain using the best scientific knowledge that man has gleaned over the last 500 years why they kill the animals?

Have I blinked and become a member of said religion or something? Try harder LT.

[Zizu]

Both myths I'm afraid



I beg to disagree :)


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[Mystic Mock]

My brother was a butcher for 25 years and started a 13, he has worked in slaughter house culled dear and cut them up while still warm, but he won’t let a animal go hungry get cold or be in pain.

This is the thing I'm trying to get across.

You can eat Meat (or be a Butcher in your Brother's case) and still have animals that you care about and love.

For me personally I could never envision myself harming any animal (I even rarely ever harm bugs or Spiders) and in a strange way I kind of see my Cat as a close family relative of mine.

But imo if you can so cold heartedly kill an animal for Religious reasons then not only is that Religion tucked up, but it shows a lack of any compassion for animals imo.

[Mystic Mock]

I’d rather see an animal killed for food than one shot for sport.

Humans used to sacrifice humans for gifts to the gods.

Animals are killed by other animals it’s part of the food chain.

Exactly this.

I personally don't see how Meat eaters are just as evil as people that shoot Animals for Sport, but maybe I'm missing something.

[Marsh.]

This is the thing I'm trying to get across.

You can eat Meat (or be a Butcher in your Brother's case) and still have animals that you care about and love.

For me personally I could never envision myself harming any animal (I even rarely ever harm bugs or Spiders) and in a strange way I kind of see my Cat as a close family relative of mine.

But imo if you can so cold heartedly kill an animal for Religious reasons then not only is that Religion tucked up, but it shows a lack of any compassion for animals imo.

I'm sure they have pet animals they care about too. They're not aliens.

[Mystic Mock]

The obvious answer to this is that whilst there may be a "hierarchy" they are all still criminals.

So, whilst different people justify their slaughter of animals for varying different reasons, they're still killing animals for their own ends and nothing to do with the wellbeing or life of the animal. So, again, it's all in the same box.

So would you say if a Wife kills her Husband because he used to domestically abuse her, would you then compare her to a Serial killer? Because after all they've both took a life, even if for different reasons.

I'm doing this hypothetical scenario because I bet that most people would rightly not see it as so black and white.

[Marsh.]

So would you say if a Wife kills her Husband because he used to domestically abuse her, would you then compare her to a Serial killer? Because after all they've both took a life, even if for different reasons.

I'm doing this hypothetical scenario because I bet that most people would rightly not see it as so black and white.

:facepalm:

You're the one seeing it as black and white.

[Kizzy]

I think we may be talking at crossed purposes as I'm not following your point?

No we aren't. . Im asking if circumcision is ok because the kid doesn't die.

And is 'sport' ok when animals die because it's nothing to do with religion?

[Mystic Mock]

:facepalm:

You're the one seeing it as black and white.

I'm not the one declaring all people who eat or kill for Meat animals as the same as the people who kill animals in cold blood.:laugh:

That's seeing things in black and white.

[Marsh.]

I'm not the one declaring all people who eat or kill for Meat animals as the same as the people who kill animals in cold blood.:laugh:

That's seeing things in black and white.

"in cold blood"?