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UserSince2005
13-12-2019, 06:20 PM
Just watching the news over the past weeks and I hear so many opinions of people from both sides
Labour voters are always so negative about their sorry financial state, their bad health, the services in their town not having enough money spent on it, how they need more support and just generally how hard their lives are.
Tory voters talk about the future and the hopes for the success of the country.
Why is this?
The Slim Reaper
13-12-2019, 06:22 PM
One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.
UserSince2005
13-12-2019, 06:24 PM
One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.
Maybe thats it. to be fair. I just think if Labour had been more positives and not harp on about all the negatives of life then they might have done better.
There was no clear future plan with labours campaign
The Slim Reaper
13-12-2019, 06:27 PM
Maybe thats it. to be fair. I just think if Labour had been more positives and not harp on about all the negatives of life then they might have done better.
There was no clear future plan with labours campaign
I think labour ran a pretty positive campaign on the things they wanted to implement, you don't set yourself apart from your opponents without pointing out what they've destroyed in a decade.
Corbyn - "I want to thank the amazing tory government for all the new food banks we have now"
Better?
Crimson Dynamo
13-12-2019, 06:34 PM
labour ran such a bad campaign that a lot of their voters voted conservative
now if that isnt damning enough, well it is
:skull:
GoldHeart
13-12-2019, 06:41 PM
Jeremy Corbyn tried his best , he had the worst hate campaign against him and he still tried to stay positive.
The strong labour policies were there , but Brexit crap dominated things.
On the news people sound MAD confused ,they're moaning about things being privatised and working class communities not being helped yet they still VOTED for Johnson:crazy::umm2: .
This is like twilight zone!
Marsh.
13-12-2019, 09:29 PM
Are you basically asking why people who are being sh*t on left right and centre WHY they're being negative about it?
Good grief.
Marsh.
13-12-2019, 09:31 PM
Maybe thats it. to be fair. I just think if Labour had been more positives and not harp on about all the negatives of life then they might have done better.
There was no clear future plan with labours campaign
So you prefer fairytales to reality.
Ignorance is bliss.
Oliver_W
13-12-2019, 10:30 PM
This year's election was similar to the Trump v Hillary, in that someone who would normally be laughed off stage looked credible thanks to their awful opponents.
Marsh.
13-12-2019, 10:33 PM
This year's election was similar to the Trump v Hillary, in that someone who would normally be laughed off stage looked credible thanks to their awful opponents.
Nothing makes Boris appear credible.
i think people are entitled to be annoyed when their political beliefs are not being implemented. If people think it's bad now, they should have been there when Maggie was re-elected. Passions ran very high
However, a week or 2 after the election, it's best to accept the realities of democracy and manage the best you can. Nothing lasts forever.
arista
13-12-2019, 11:35 PM
Jeremy Corbyn tried his best , he had the worst hate campaign against him and he still tried to stay positive.
The strong labour policies were there , but Brexit crap dominated things.
On the news people sound MAD confused ,they're moaning about things being privatised and working class communities not being helped yet they still VOTED for Johnson:crazy::umm2: .
This is like twilight zone!
He went too Hard at it.
Avoiding the real public
only selecting Labour Voters.
Pathetic
Mystic Mock
13-12-2019, 11:47 PM
Just watching the news over the past weeks and I hear so many opinions of people from both sides
Labour voters are always so negative about their sorry financial state, their bad health, the services in their town not having enough money spent on it, how they need more support and just generally how hard their lives are.
Tory voters talk about the future and the hopes for the success of the country.
Why is this?
Because tbf those complaints are genuine problems in the country.
Thousands of Tories and Labour voters (and countless of other parties supporters) have been living it rough over the past 4 or 5 years in particular, it imo is not a Labour issue but instead is a countrywide issue that Boris and his administration are gonna have to try and sort out, and that's not by Austerity but by investing.
The future of the UK is in trouble if the Tories don't learn from their mistakes, they've got at least another 5 years to finally get this right. And hopefully they will.
Kazanne
14-12-2019, 10:03 AM
One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.
No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.:wavey:
GoldHeart
14-12-2019, 10:04 AM
He went too Hard at it.
Avoiding the real public
only selecting Labour Voters.
Pathetic
That's not true
Liam-
14-12-2019, 10:15 AM
No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.:wavey:
Ah, the good old ‘labour voters are scroungers’ rehtoric, horrific
No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.:wavey:
...many, many people work extremely hard for their whole life, Kaz...and still don’t earn enough on their salaries to be able to have ‘what they want’....
Liam-
14-12-2019, 10:23 AM
It baffles my head that people begrudge kids in poverty being given a helping hand, disadvantaged families being given help to feed themselves, homeless people being helped off the street, families being given an opportunity to go out and earn for their families with free childcare, something they might not be able to do otherwise, nobody wants something for nothing, people want people to not have to suffer in the the 5th richest country in the world, in the 21st century, some people have to work multiple jobs to just scrape over the poverty line, Joe is that okay? where has our compassion as a country gone? There used to be a time where the British stuck together, now it’s a big old two fingers to anyone that isn’t deemed good enough, it’s shameful.
Crimson Dynamo
14-12-2019, 10:27 AM
It baffles my head that people begrudge kids in poverty being given a helping hand, disadvantaged families being given help to feed themselves, homeless people being helped off the street, families being given an opportunity to go out and earn for their families with free childcare, something they might not be able to do otherwise, nobody wants something for nothing, people want people to not have to suffer in the the 5th richest country in the world, in the 21st century, some people have to work multiple jobs to just scrape over the poverty line, Joe is that okay? where has our compassion as a country gone? There used to be a time where the British stuck together, now it’s a big old two fingers to anyone that isn’t deemed good enough, it’s shameful.
its like charity organisations dont exist for you:shrug:
It baffles my head that people begrudge kids in poverty being given a helping hand, disadvantaged families being given help to feed themselves, homeless people being helped off the street, families being given an opportunity to go out and earn for their families with free childcare, something they might not be able to do otherwise, nobody wants something for nothing, people want people to not have to suffer in the the 5th richest country in the world, in the 21st century, some people have to work multiple jobs to just scrape over the poverty line, Joe is that okay? where has our compassion as a country gone? There used to be a time where the British stuck together, now it’s a big old two fingers to anyone that isn’t deemed good enough, it’s shameful.
...and at the time of year that we’re celebrating Christianity because we are a country of Christian values...of the innkeeper saying...yes, there is always room and there is always welcome...
No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.:wavey:
are you referring to the rich who manipulate markets to earn money for nothing and the hard working people who collect their pay checks every week? :laugh:
There was nothing inherently wrong with things that labour were proposing. However it didn't come over as credible for so many reasons. It was a mess of giveaways with no strategic plan behind it other than things being for the many not the few which is such a disingenuous, meaningless phrase.
Look at the soviet union, things were for the many, not the few there, but always, always, always that's not how it ends up. There are always elites, it's human nature. Government is elites, so as soon as Corbyn became PM, he would have been an elite and leader of the few
Crimson Dynamo
14-12-2019, 10:32 AM
...and at the time of year that we’re celebrating Christianity because we are a country of Christian values...of the innkeeper saying...yes, there is always room and there is always welcome...
so you will be housing a few homeless this Christmas in you own house?
im pretty sure not one tibb member would even consider it for a nano second
Liam-
14-12-2019, 10:32 AM
its like charity organisations dont exist for you:shrug:
Oh that’s alright then, government doesn’t have to do it’s job and look after everyone in their country cause there are charities out there that do it for them, drivel, utter drivel, charities are there to help people that need it yes, they’re not there to subsidise the responsibilities of the government.
GoldHeart
14-12-2019, 10:41 AM
Oh that’s alright then, government doesn’t have to do it’s job and look after everyone in their country cause there are charities out there that do it for them, drivel, utter drivel, charities are there to help people that need it yes, they’re not there to subsidise the responsibilities of the government.
Exactly
Crimson Dynamo
14-12-2019, 10:41 AM
Oh that’s alright then, government doesn’t have to do it’s job and look after everyone in their country cause there are charities out there that do it for them, drivel, utter drivel, charities are there to help people that need it yes, they’re not there to subsidise the responsibilities of the government.
and all governments provide money to local authorities to deal with things like this, talk to your local councillor and volunteer to help?
Liam-
14-12-2019, 10:47 AM
and all governments provide money to local authorities to deal with things like this, talk to your local councillor and volunteer to help?
Aye, the local authorities that have all had their budgets slashed so struggle even more to do what they need to, also, full time carer here, no time to help, that’s what people always tell me ‘why don’t you just work some hours a week to help get more money?’ If I could I would, I’d love to go out there and help more people, because I care about people.
...I guess the ironies are that we as a country don’t want the immigrants taking up our resources when we have so many ‘home grown’ homeless that we really want to help...and we don’t want to be sending funds to other countries in poverty when we have so much poverty ourselves...and yet the homelessness that’s such a country concern and priority, keeps growing and growing...
user104658
14-12-2019, 11:08 AM
The fun will really start when the Tories do NOT slash immigration, but actually increase Non-EU migration (the kind that your Katies and Tommys REALLY don't like).
user104658
14-12-2019, 11:12 AM
Labour voters are always so negative about their sorry financial state, their bad health, the services in their town not having enough money spent on it, how they need more support and just generally how hard their lives are.
You mean the people worst affected by cuts complain about them the most? :think: that's really odd I can't fathom why it might be that way.
Livia
14-12-2019, 11:35 AM
The fun will really start when everybody stops moaning or gloating, depending on which side you're on, and the government is given a chance.
Twosugars
14-12-2019, 11:40 AM
The fun will really start when the Tories do NOT slash immigration, but actually increase Non-EU migration (the kind that your Katies and Tommys REALLY don't like).
:laugh:
That will happen.
India already said no trade deal without easing immigration restrictions
This was a Brexit-centric election above anything else. Corbyn's promises to help the marginalised communities of our nation fell on deaf ears whereas Boris was Brexit focused and it paid off. People simply care more about Brexit than anything else at the moment so I'm not surprised at the result. I hope once Brexit's said and done that we can truly move forward with the real issues that this nation faces.
I realise the point of an election is for people to vote in their own interests but I do wonder how different the results would've been had the people of this country thought a little more about the 'what ifs'. What if I or someone that I love becomes gravely ill under a Tory government in the next 5 years? What if I encounter financial hardship and have to rely on the state? What if a fridge in my tower block goes up in flames and I lose my home? What then?
No one deserves to feel like they will be neglected or ignored by the people who run their country and should hold their best interests at heart. I think that's what bothers a lot of Labour supporters about the current state of affairs and this Tory government.
The Slim Reaper
14-12-2019, 12:33 PM
No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.:wavey:
This comes down to how spitefully we look down our noses at those with less than us I guess. It's purely ideological though because it's backed up my nothing resembling reality.
Beastie
14-12-2019, 12:42 PM
People saying they are now worse off because conservatives are in power. It's up to YOU and YOUR lifestyle and whether you want to make changes or not in your life to become better off.
Liam-
14-12-2019, 12:49 PM
People saying they are now worse off because conservatives are in power. It's up to YOU and YOUR lifestyle and whether you want to make changes or not in your life to become better off.
Drivel, everyone wants to make better of themselves and their lives, not everybody has the capability or the things necessary to be able to do so, I’m tired of this ‘its your fault you’re poor and needy, sort yourselves out you dossers’ it’s elitist bull**** used to try and justify continuously knocking the disadvantaged
Beastie
14-12-2019, 01:00 PM
Drivel, everyone wants to make better of themselves and their lives, not everybody has the capability or the things necessary to be able to do so, I’m tired of this ‘its your fault you’re poor and needy, nobody else’s’ it’s elitist bull**** used to try and justify continuously knocking the disadvantaged
It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.
The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.
Liam-
14-12-2019, 01:02 PM
It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.
The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.
Big L
Twosugars
14-12-2019, 01:03 PM
This was a Brexit-centric election above anything else. Corbyn's promises to help the marginalised communities of our nation fell on deaf ears whereas Boris was Brexit focused and it paid off. People simply care more about Brexit than anything else at the moment so I'm not surprised at the result. I hope once Brexit's said and done that we can truly move forward with the real issues that this nation faces.
I realise the point of an election is for people to vote in their own interests but I do wonder how different the results would've been had the people of this country thought a little more about the 'what ifs'. What if I or someone that I love becomes gravely ill under a Tory government in the next 5 years? What if I encounter financial hardship and have to rely on the state? What if a fridge in my tower block goes up in flames and I lose my home? What then?
No one deserves to feel like they will be neglected or ignored by the people who run their country and should hold their best interests at heart. I think that's what bothers a lot of Labour supporters about the current state of affairs and this Tory government.
Brexit has become a religion.
The Slim Reaper
14-12-2019, 01:05 PM
It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.
The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.
Do you share a bedroom with 8 brothers and sisters?
Beastie
14-12-2019, 01:08 PM
Do you share a bedroom with 8 brothers and sisters?
I don't. And another thing. Having children is a LIFESTYLE choice. People moaning about benefits for their sprogs. If you can't afford them then don't have them. Or live with the consequences of living frugally. Why is the government and other people getting blamed for the lifestyle you have chosen :laugh:
The Slim Reaper
14-12-2019, 01:11 PM
I don't. And another thing. Having children is a LIFESTYLE choice. People moaning about benefits for their sprogs. If you can't afford them then don't have them. Or live with the consequences of living frugally. Why is the government and other people getting blamed for the lifestyle you have chosen :laugh:
See how much easier it is to tell other people to get over it?
No ones blaming the government for their lifestyle choices, they're blaming them for the honest and open attack on the poor an disabled over the last 10 years.
Kizzy
14-12-2019, 01:13 PM
No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.:wavey:
This is the reason progressive politics fail. This attitude. God forbid you or yours ever need help.
Beastie
14-12-2019, 01:15 PM
See how much easier it is to tell other people to get over it?
No ones blaming the government for their lifestyle choices, they're blaming them for the honest and open attack on the poor an disabled over the last 10 years.
Yet it was Labour who started privatising the NHS in the first place..
Kizzy
14-12-2019, 01:18 PM
Yet it was Labour who started privatising the NHS in the first place..
'New" labour who as we know now weren't ever Labour at all.
The Slim Reaper
14-12-2019, 01:19 PM
Yet it was Labour who started privatising the NHS in the first place..
I said nothing about the NHS in that post. Ahh yes, we've been told that the last 10 years aren't enough to judge the tories on, but stuff from 15 years ago on the labour side is damning. Even you must realise that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Kazanne
14-12-2019, 01:32 PM
This is the reason progressive politics fail. This attitude. God forbid you or yours ever need help.
Oh we've been rock bottom and we got out of it by working hard,no one is saying the poor shouldn't get help ,of course they should,but many people are not poor they are just lazy.
Liam-
14-12-2019, 01:36 PM
Oh we've been rock bottom and we got out of it by working hard,no one is saying the poor shouldn't get help ,of course they should,but many people are not poor they are just lazy.
The people who are lazy and scrounge from the government are in the minority, yet people use them as an excuse to demonise everyone that needs help, it’s appalling
Kazanne
14-12-2019, 02:09 PM
The people who are lazy and scrounge from the government are in the minority, yet people use them as an excuse to demonise everyone that needs help, it’s appalling
No one is using them but people always seem to want blame someone else for their problems when SOMETIMES it is solely down to them .
Twosugars
14-12-2019, 02:18 PM
No one is using them but people always seem to want blame someone else for their problems when SOMETIMES it is solely down to them .
You mean like the bankers who caused the crisis.
And yet we bailed them out and paid for it with austerity.
The rich ****ed up, the poor paid. Tory justice.
Crimson Dynamo
14-12-2019, 02:21 PM
The people who are lazy and scrounge from the government are in the minority, yet people use them as an excuse to demonise everyone that needs help, it’s appalling
where are you getting this brand new information from?
Mystic Mock
14-12-2019, 11:36 PM
The fun will really start when everybody stops moaning or gloating, depending on which side you're on, and the government is given a chance.
Tbf the Tories have had 9 years, I think that people have a right at this point to complain about their mistreatment of a lot of people in this country.
Mystic Mock
14-12-2019, 11:42 PM
It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.
The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.
So you think people should struggle to live because they made a mistake in their lifestyle choices? What happened to try and give people a second chance?
Also I love how people seem to think that it's so easy to just get a job.:joker:
Tom4784
14-12-2019, 11:49 PM
If you voted Tory, you oppose the NHS, you oppose public services and you oppose helping the vulnerable. You can lie and say otherwise but your actions speak louder than words.
Tories have been cutting funding for the NHS and public services since they took power in 2010 so by voting for them, you've okayed such measures. A Tory voter that claims to care about the NHS or public services is a liar.
Daniel-X
14-12-2019, 11:51 PM
People saying they are now worse off because conservatives are in power. It's up to YOU and YOUR lifestyle and whether you want to make changes or not in your life to become better off.
It’s not always that simple. Yes for some people it can be, they can experience an episode of poverty episodically and have ways and means of getting their way out. Unfortunately for many they are born in a cycle of poverty, look it up, it’s not fiction it’s fact.
Tom4784
14-12-2019, 11:52 PM
So you think people should struggle to live because they made a mistake in their lifestyle choices? What happened to try and give people a second chance?
Also I love how people seem to think that it's so easy to just get a job.:joker:
Privileged ignorance. A lot of people who claim that finding work is easy haven't done it in today's climates or has relied on pre-formed professional relationships or bonds to find something. People who act like finding a job is easy would likely live long term on the benefits they like to demonise others for being on if they had to start over fresh and find a job in today's market.
They just don't live in the real world when it comes to the job market.
Mystic Mock
14-12-2019, 11:58 PM
Privileged ignorance. A lot of people who claim that finding work is easy haven't done it in today's climates or has relied on pre-formed professional relationships or bonds to find something. People who act like finding a job is easy would likely live long term on the benefits they like to demonise others for being on if they had to start over fresh and find a job in today's market.
They just don't live in the real world when it comes to the job market.
This.
...we were a society who looked out for and helped those who had less and who struggled more...we admired the strength of their characters through their struggles and we understood...’there but for the grace of God, go I..’...?...now, those people appear to be looked down on/thought lesser than because ‘they’re not trying hard enough’ or whatever...?...some people try so hard and feel so worthless and so despaired that they end their lives...and still the judgement and dehumanising continues...are these the great British values of today that are being fought so hard to preserve...
...it’s very, very sad...how insular and self serving our society has become ..:sad:..
If you voted Tory, you oppose the NHS, you oppose public services and you oppose helping the vulnerable. You can lie and say otherwise but your actions speak louder than words.
Tories have been cutting funding for the NHS and public services since they took power in 2010 so by voting for them, you've okayed such measures. A Tory voter that claims to care about the NHS or public services is a liar.
Bollox and you know it .
Boris is gonna revive the NHS and the other services and the best part of all that will be seeing thousands of labour doubters squirming ..
Edit
I’ve just seen Richard Burgon being interviewed by Sophie Ridge on Sky News .. well she couldn’t interview him as appears to be a robot ( with some serious glitches ) .
What a complete idiot ..
Boris must be praying this chump is the next Labour leader
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Kizzy
15-12-2019, 09:59 AM
Yes that must be it, they've spent years running it down to revive it.. :/
Kazanne
15-12-2019, 10:00 AM
Tbf the Tories have had 9 years, I think that people have a right at this point to complain about their mistreatment of a lot of people in this country.
Well you are right but they weren't lead by Boris,at least give him a chance, if he's crap he can be kicked out,no one knows what sort of PM he will be now,his hands were kind of tied before over Brexit, lets just see what happens.
...Boris is a man who even in his campaign to be leader... couldn’t look at or comment on the image of a child laying on a hospital floor...what was more sickening..the child’s image or the lack of concern shown by ‘our leader’ for a child with suspected pneumonia and his ‘waiting time’ in hospital...people have every reason to be concerned, to be devastated and deflated and that should be respected...many people have ‘waited to see what happens’ in their poverty under a Conservative government in this country...they’ve waited and they’ve waited and they’ve waited...and they have every right to have no faith in someone who has so far, given us nothing but words and slogans...when presented with a sick child, an opportunity for action...even a ‘media opportunity’...he turned his face away...
Nicky91
15-12-2019, 10:19 AM
Well you are right but they weren't lead by Boris,at least give him a chance, if he's crap he can be kicked out,no one knows what sort of PM he will be now,his hands were kind of tied before over Brexit, lets just see what happens.
:clap1: :clap1:
like what Boris said, more unity pls
FINALLY the thing they realize what you need to get brexit done, which is getting unity in britain
UserSince2005
15-12-2019, 10:49 AM
If you voted Tory, you oppose the NHS, you oppose public services and you oppose helping the vulnerable. You can lie and say otherwise but your actions speak louder than words.
Tories have been cutting funding for the NHS and public services since they took power in 2010 so by voting for them, you've okayed such measures. A Tory voter that claims to care about the NHS or public services is a liar.
Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?
Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.
Give him time.
i think it is a tiny percentage of people across the political spectrum that oppose the NHS, that is just an incorrect statement. There are differing views on how it should be managed which is no great surprise given it's enormous size, but that in no way suggests people oppose it.
The Slim Reaper
15-12-2019, 11:22 AM
Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?
Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.
Give him time.
The tories have exploded the debt and deficit. Labour had to take the hit because of the financial crisis. Tories cut services purely because of ideological reasons. You really have no idea how much worse the financial situation is after a decade of tory rule? That would be cute if it didn't perfectly sum up the electorate.
Scarlett.
15-12-2019, 11:27 AM
Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?
Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.
Give him time.
Of course they're not doing it for ****s and giggles, they're doing it so they can sell it of piece by piece to their rich buddies and America.
Stop blaming Labour for ****, they've not been in power for nearly a decade. I swear come 2025 people will still be blaming Labour.
Tbf the Tories have had 9 years, I think that people have a right at this point to complain about their mistreatment of a lot of people in this country.
people had the right to vote for another party at FOUR elections and each time they rejected labour. I think its best to put it that way so that it puts it in the correct perspective. Labour have been rejected. They need to shake it up if they want to ever be elected again. Moaning from the sidelines doesn't achieve anything.
Livia
15-12-2019, 11:37 AM
Well you are right but they weren't lead by Boris,at least give him a chance, if he's crap he can be kicked out,no one knows what sort of PM he will be now,his hands were kind of tied before over Brexit, lets just see what happens.
It never takes very long for the losers in any kind of vote to start making up reason why they're still right, even after a crushing defeat. British people kicked out Corbyn and his friends, they made it crystal clear that his kind of politics was not wanted.
Apparently if you voted Conservative, you voted to end the NHS.
If you voted Labour, you're an anti-Semite. Isn't that as fair as the line above?
Scarlett.
15-12-2019, 11:39 AM
It never takes very long for the losers in any kind of vote to start making up reason why they're still right, even after a crushing defeat. British people kicked out Corbyn and his friends, they made it crystal clear that his kind of politics was not wanted.
Apparently if you voted Conservative, you voted to end the NHS.
If you voted Labour, you're an anti-Semite. Isn't that as fair as the line above?
Just because someone won an election it doesnt make them correct
UserSince2005
15-12-2019, 11:40 AM
Of course they're not doing it for ****s and giggles, they're doing it so they can sell it of piece by piece to their rich buddies and America.
Stop blaming Labour for ****, they've not been in power for nearly a decade. I swear come 2025 people will still be blaming Labour.
Yes in 2025 the blair years will still be seen as the most appalling times, and we will still be suffering for those year i am sure
Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?
Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.
Give him time.
Exactly... he will want to be regarded as a success not a failure.
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Just because someone won an election it doesnt make them correct
The Blair Years ..
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The Slim Reaper
15-12-2019, 11:55 AM
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The Slim Reaper
15-12-2019, 12:01 PM
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#getbrexitdone
Marsh.
15-12-2019, 03:57 PM
Tbf the Tories have had 9 years, I think that people have a right at this point to complain about their mistreatment of a lot of people in this country.
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Marsh.
15-12-2019, 03:59 PM
Bollox and you know it .
Boris is gonna revive the NHS
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Crimson Dynamo
15-12-2019, 04:00 PM
well it seems that most of england and wales think that the tories have done a great job and have backed them to the hilt for another 5 years
well it seems that most of england and wales think that the tories have done a great job and have backed them to the hilt for another 5 years
I think they were all scared of what Corbyn brought to the table .. towns that had voted Labour for the last 83 years going all out to vote for Boris .
Nuff said .
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Crimson Dynamo
15-12-2019, 04:14 PM
I think they were all scared of what Corbyn brought to the table .. towns that had voted Labour for the last 83 years going all out to vote for Boris .
Nuff said .
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Absolutely.
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Boris said he’d invest in the NHS before the election and he was even more determined to drastically improve things AFTER the win .... he could have simply kept quiet !!
Boris has only been in charge a few weeks - it’s not his fault what’s happened in the past .. especially given the number of hospital cases has seemingly trebled over recent years ... classic demand outweighing supply .
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I think they were all scared of what Corbyn brought to the table .. towns that had voted Labour for the last 83 years going all out to vote for Boris .
Nuff said .
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Edit
93 years !!
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Marsh.
15-12-2019, 04:58 PM
Boris said he’d invest in the NHS before the election and he was even more determined to drastically improve things AFTER the win .... he could have simply kept quiet !!
Boris has said many things, all of them contradictory both before and after the election. He may as well have kept quiet given the non-information he's been providing.
Crimson Dynamo
15-12-2019, 05:02 PM
Boris has said many things, all of them contradictory both before and after the election. He may as well have kept quiet given the non-information he's been providing.
all things said by Boris are contradictory?
are you sure?
Marsh.
15-12-2019, 05:06 PM
"many things"
But keep up the nitpicking and dodging the substantial questions you ask of others.
Crimson Dynamo
15-12-2019, 05:11 PM
"many things"
But keep up the nitpicking and dodging the substantial questions you ask of others.
then dont exaggerate and make statements without actual facts
"Boris has said many things ALL of them contradictory"
this is clearly an exaggeration and gives no examples
Twosugars
15-12-2019, 05:21 PM
well it seems that most of england and wales think that the tories have done a great job and have backed them to the hilt for another 5 years
So what stopped you voting for them too?
Kizzy
15-12-2019, 09:57 PM
If Boris revives the NHS I will vote tory at the next election ...how bout that!!
Crimson Dynamo
15-12-2019, 10:27 PM
If Boris revives the NHS I will vote tory at the next election ...how bout that!!
Lots of labour members voted Tory. No Biggie
Kizzy
15-12-2019, 11:21 PM
Any labour member who votes tory should hand their badge in imo
Mystic Mock
16-12-2019, 01:50 AM
Well you are right but they weren't lead by Boris,at least give him a chance, if he's crap he can be kicked out,no one knows what sort of PM he will be now,his hands were kind of tied before over Brexit, lets just see what happens.
I'm hoping that Boris will be good (or at least better than I'm thinking) I honestly don't want the UK to be struggling like this with the NHS and the rise in homelessness, so if he can fix those problems then great.
However there will be MP's that were from the two previous Administrations that will be apart of Boris's Administration which tbh scares the crap out of me as those people have helped divide this country.
Mystic Mock
16-12-2019, 02:03 AM
people had the right to vote for another party at FOUR elections and each time they rejected labour. I think its best to put it that way so that it puts it in the correct perspective. Labour have been rejected. They need to shake it up if they want to ever be elected again. Moaning from the sidelines doesn't achieve anything.
Tbf every time an Election comes around the Media rile up the masses against the opposition at every opportunity.
I mean look at the **** that they printed about Ed Miliband and his Father so that the public would vote for David Cameron.:umm2:
And don't get me started on the slander towards Corbyn.:joker:
And tbh my way was also the correct perspective, the Tories have had 9 years to run this country properly before Boris and they've failed, they're just incredibly lucky that the Media give them a help in hand, and that Labour have been infighting.
GoldHeart
16-12-2019, 11:15 AM
Tbf every time an Election comes around the Media rile up the masses against the opposition at every opportunity.
I mean look at the **** that they printed about Ed Miliband and his Father so that the public would vote for David Cameron.:umm2:
And don't get me started on the slander towards Corbyn.:joker:
And tbh my way was also the correct perspective, the Tories have had 9 years to run this country properly before Boris and they've failed, they're just incredibly lucky that the Media give them a help in hand, and that Labour have been infighting.
It was ridiculous when Ed miliband was labour leader as nobody ever listened to him , instead he got mocked for how he ate a sandwich and people made fun of his voice and face :bored: . Poor guy never had a chance.
Again anyone would think it was a beauty contest instead of politics, and even if it was about looks Cameron loses in that department same with Johnson so no idea why they're so popular :facepalm: .
Cameron looks like the marshmallow boy from Ghostbusters & Johnson looks like a pig .
Crimson Dynamo
16-12-2019, 11:39 AM
Tbf every time an Election comes around the Media rile up the masses against the opposition at every opportunity.
I mean look at the **** that they printed about Ed Miliband and his Father so that the public would vote for David Cameron.:umm2:
And don't get me started on the slander towards Corbyn.:joker:
And tbh my way was also the correct perspective, the Tories have had 9 years to run this country properly before Boris and they've failed, they're just incredibly lucky that the Media give them a help in hand, and that Labour have been infighting.
How do you run a country properly?
Livia
16-12-2019, 11:45 AM
It was ridiculous when Ed miliband was labour leader as nobody ever listened to him , instead he got mocked for how he ate a sandwich and people made fun of his voice and face :bored: . Poor guy never had a chance.
Again anyone would think it was a beauty contest instead of politics, and even if it was about looks Cameron loses in that department same with Johnson so no idea why they're so popular :facepalm: .
Cameron looks like the marshmallow boy from Ghostbusters & Johnson looks like a pig .
Your whole post is about how ridiculous and wrong it is to criticise people over just their looks... then I got to your last line. Can't argue with well thought out political argument like that.
GoldHeart
16-12-2019, 11:59 AM
Your whole post is about how ridiculous and wrong it is to criticise people over just their looks... then I got to your last line. Can't argue with well thought out political argument like that.
Because it's tiresome how labour MPs get criticised for their looks & fashion , Jeremy Corbyn was compared to steptoe
My point is if looks are that important then why do the Tories get let off the hook for theirs ?? . Johnson & Cameron are NO oil paintings.
I think this thread shows the differences pretty well
Livia
16-12-2019, 12:19 PM
Because it's tiresome how labour MPs get criticised for their looks & fashion , Jeremy Corbyn was compared to steptoe
My point is if looks are that important then why do the Tories get let off the hook for theirs ?? . Johnson & Cameron are NO oil paintings.
Politics was once described to me by a Conservative MP as, showbusiness for ugly people. No party gets off lightly, they're all criticised for everything from what they eat and drink to what they wear to how they look. It's not unfairly loaded in either direction politically, they're all ridiculed by the other side.
The Slim Reaper
16-12-2019, 01:21 PM
This place :joker:
Kizzy
16-12-2019, 01:22 PM
That's an embarrassing thing to say, they're not celebrities far from it. They have a function and nothing should be made out to be more important than that.
This pathetic grandstanding that is popular in modern politics is exactly what's wrong, it needs to stop.
Been watching a few protest marches after the result..my God the left are absolutely vile nasty people.. some were wishing Johnson a slow horrible death..such a nasty young woman she was..absolutely sickening.
The Slim Reaper
16-12-2019, 01:32 PM
Been watching a few protest marches after the result..my God the left are absolutely vile nasty people.. some were wishing Johnson a slow horrible death..such a nasty young woman she was..absolutely sickening.
Reminds me of the time Sir Winston told me that we were prepared to fight Nazi's in the streets, so I said "sounds good, but what if they land on the beaches?" He looked me square in the eyes and said, "by jove, you're absolutely correct, I'd never even thought about that" I said "you're welcome", and walked out the room to rapturous applause.
If you liked that story wait till I tell you about the time I asked thatcher when she was going to turn.
Kazanne
16-12-2019, 03:48 PM
Been watching a few protest marches after the result..my God the left are absolutely vile nasty people.. some were wishing Johnson a slow horrible death..such a nasty young woman she was..absolutely sickening.
I saw that Parmy,anyone that thinks that is ok from any side needs to give their head a wobble,vile creature,but made me realise I voted the right way, what a lovely caring doctor she would make,lol, not.
Tom4784
16-12-2019, 03:50 PM
Been watching a few protest marches after the result..my God the left are absolutely vile nasty people.. some were wishing Johnson a slow horrible death..such a nasty young woman she was..absolutely sickening.
Meanwhile you call a child a waste of space because her ecological message upsets you.
Stones in glass houses, Parm.
One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.
The crazy thing is nothing ‘really’ changes ... we’ve had horrendous times under every government since the sixties ...
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...and at the time of year that we’re celebrating Christianity because we are a country of Christian values...of the innkeeper saying...yes, there is always room and there is always welcome...
The way things are going there won’t be any inns ( pubs ) around !!
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Tom4784
16-12-2019, 04:00 PM
The crazy thing is nothing ‘really’ changes ... we’ve had horrendous times under every government since the sixties ...
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So you're in the latter camp then, not interested in fixing what's wrong but only interested in keeping the broken wheel spinning.
Marsh.
16-12-2019, 04:04 PM
but made me realise I voted the right way
How on earth does this make a shred of sense? :conf:
Tom4784
16-12-2019, 04:05 PM
How on earth does this make a shred of sense? :conf:
Because she probably didn't vote on the actual issues but to 'own the libs'.
Marsh.
16-12-2019, 04:05 PM
Imagine voting just to get "one over" on people you don't like rather than having conviction in your beliefs.
So you're in the latter camp then, not interested in fixing what's wrong but only interested in keeping the broken wheel spinning.
Nothing will ever change when there’s politicians running the show ...
I’ve said for ages that we should get he brightest , cleverest people running things alongside the best business minds ..
Get highly qualified accountants in charge of the finances for starters...
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Marsh.
16-12-2019, 04:07 PM
Nothing will ever change when there’s politicians running the show ...
I’ve said for ages that we should get he brightest , cleverest people running things alongside the best business minds ..
Get highly qualified accountants in charge of the finances for starters...
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They'd just become the politicians. Power corrupts.
Tom4784
16-12-2019, 04:08 PM
Imagine voting just to get "one over" on people you don't like rather than having conviction in your beliefs.
It's immature as **** but it's what I've come to expect from the public. It's basically what happened in the US too, people didn't vote so much for Trump as they voted against Hillary and the 'libs'.
That's what happens when people treat elections like a sport. These people have lost sight of the point of it all.
Tom4784
16-12-2019, 04:10 PM
Nothing will ever change when there’s politicians running the show ...
I’ve said for ages that we should get he brightest , cleverest people running things alongside the best business minds ..
Get highly qualified accountants in charge of the finances for starters...
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That's quite silly and it's a very nothing stance to take.
'All politicians are bad but that won't stop me from voting for the ones who will particularly **** me over!'
Running a country takes politics, you need politicians to get anywhere otherwise you end up with Trumps all over the place.
That's quite silly and it's a very nothing stance to take.
'All politicians are bad but that won't stop me from voting for the ones who will particularly **** me over!'
Running a country takes politics, you need politicians to get anywhere otherwise you end up with Trumps all over the place.
Well I didn’t vote for anyone as they’re all completely inept ( at best )
You’re talking as though our system isn’t a complete and utter f** k up .
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Tom4784
16-12-2019, 04:21 PM
You’re talking as though our system isn’t a complete and utter f** k up .
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Again, you're basically saying 'the system is ****ed up and I'm going to half-complain about it while voting for the people who are ****ing it up and ignoring the problem at hand.'
It's a nothing response.
The Slim Reaper
16-12-2019, 04:22 PM
Prepare to be shocked
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Crimson Dynamo
16-12-2019, 04:25 PM
oh its the ironically named independant
The Slim Reaper
16-12-2019, 04:27 PM
Oh it's reporting on things that are happening, not opinions?
Crimson Dynamo
16-12-2019, 04:30 PM
Oh it's reporting on things that are happening, not opinions?
not when the newspapers fave word COULD are involved it aint
Again, you're basically saying 'the system is ****ed up and I'm going to half-complain about it while voting for the people who are ****ing it up and ignoring the problem at hand.'
It's a nothing response.
There’s nothing WE can do sadly ..
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not when the newspapers fave word COULD are involved it aint
Exactly !!!
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The Slim Reaper
16-12-2019, 04:34 PM
However, No 10 refused to say that the guarantees would be in the revised draft being brought back this week.
Labour will ruin the country - yes that newspaper is definitely the truth.
Boris may renege on promises because he won't commit to what he previously committed to. - OMG the centrist newspaper is lying to me.
Tom4784
16-12-2019, 04:50 PM
There’s nothing WE can do sadly ..
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No, you did something. You voted for the poison and pretended it was the cure.
You can't take such a stance if you voted for the Tories. You got what you wanted, you've made that bed and now you'll spend the next five years lying in it.
Tom4784
16-12-2019, 04:57 PM
Labour will ruin the country - yes that newspaper is definitely the truth.
Boris may renege on promises because he won't commit to what he previously committed to. - OMG the centrist newspaper is lying to me.
Who cares about actual facts when emotions and allegiances determines what constitutes as the truth to these kinds of people?
No, you did something. You voted for the poison and pretended it was the cure.
You can't take such a stance if you voted for the Tories. You got what you wanted, you've made that bed and now you'll spend the next five years lying in it.
I’ve already said that I did NOT vote for anyone !!
They’re all unreliable, dishonest and egotistical..
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Who cares about actual facts when emotions and allegiances determines what constitutes as the truth to these kinds of people?
Well you certainly don’t given your dissing me for ‘voting tory’ when I’ve explained numerous times that why didn’t vote for anyone
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Mystic Mock
16-12-2019, 07:56 PM
How do you run a country properly?
The opposite to how it's being run now.
But in particular the three main things that need to be fixed by the Tories are funding for the NHS, funding for the Police, and of course find ways of making homelessness dwindle in the country (like Tony Blair did during his time in charge) so that one should be the easiest one for his Administration to fix.
And as a bonus I'd like the Tories to try and not divide everyone in the country on such a massive scale, I know of some people that hate each other because of issues such as Brexit or debates over Scotland staying in the UK and I'm hoping that Boris will defuse the situation.
But sadly I do suspect largely more of the same from what we had with Cameron and May.
Tom4784
16-12-2019, 08:06 PM
Well you certainly don’t given your dissing me for ‘voting tory’ when I’ve explained numerous times that why didn’t vote for anyone
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But you support Boris and therefore the tories.
Bollox and you know it .
Boris is gonna revive the NHS and the other services and the best part of all that will be seeing thousands of labour doubters squirming ..
Edit
I’ve just seen Richard Burgon being interviewed by Sophie Ridge on Sky News .. well she couldn’t interview him as appears to be a robot ( with some serious glitches ) .
What a complete idiot ..
Boris must be praying this chump is the next Labour leader
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Whether you voted or not doesn't matter if you support them like you've shown here. My points stand.
But you support Boris and therefore the tories.
Whether you voted or not doesn't matter if you support them like you've shown here. My points stand.
Hardly ... no vote equates to no support ..fact
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Tom4784
16-12-2019, 09:44 PM
Hardly ... no vote equates to no support ..fact
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But in your own words, you support Boris. You think he's gonna fix things as you mentioned in that post I quoted.
Kizzy
16-12-2019, 09:56 PM
I’ve already said that I did NOT vote for anyone !!
They’re all unreliable, dishonest and egotistical..
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I don't get people who don't vote like it's some grand gesture... you are voiceless, you have said nothing. Your no vote protest was pointless.
Tom4784
16-12-2019, 09:57 PM
Not voting is essentially voting for the status quo which means a tory led government.
Kizzy
16-12-2019, 10:21 PM
It's odd this thread is alluding to some superiority in the mentality of Tory voters over labour voters... when one big argument was against labour voters apparently suggesting many were stupid to vote tory...
So you don't like them being accused of being stupid but you'll happily make a thread that projects similarly?
Smacks of hipocrisy tbh
Not voting is essentially voting for the status quo which means a tory led government.
Depends on your take on things .. I’ve never trusted any political party enough to vote for them so I’m happy to say that I’ve had no part in any of the past disastrous governments.
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Tom4784
17-12-2019, 12:28 AM
Depends on your take on things .. I’ve never trusted any political party enough to vote for them so I’m happy to say that I’ve had no part in any of the past disastrous governments.
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Silence is acceptance in issues like this. If you've not been prompted to vote these past 9 years then you've ultimately been happy with how things going which is why you've stated such support for Boris.
Silence is acceptance in issues like this. If you've not been prompted to vote these past 9 years then you've ultimately been happy with how things going which is why you've stated such support for Boris.
In your opinion. .... but then you supported Corbyn so that makes it basically irrelevant.
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Tom4784
17-12-2019, 01:03 AM
In your opinion. .... but then you supported Corbyn so that makes it basically irrelevant.
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Yes, thank you for stating that an opinion is indeed an opinion, we all needed that reminder, I'm sure.
As for the rest of the post, it makes no sense, try again.
Yes, thank you for stating that an opinion is indeed an opinion, we all needed that reminder, I'm sure.
As for the rest of the post, it makes no sense, try again.
Pointless trying tbh ... it’s your way or the highway soooooo
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Tom4784
17-12-2019, 03:28 AM
Pointless trying tbh ... it’s your way or the highway soooooo
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Don't make out that I'm forcing you into silence just because you can't handle a debate. Do better, put some effort into it. Don't be a sore loser and slate someone just because they out-debated you.
Don't make out that I'm forcing you into silence just because you can't handle a debate. Do better, put some effort into it. Don't be a sore loser and slate someone just because they out-debated you.
I’ve no idea what you’re talking about .
I simply meant it was pointless entering into any ‘political ‘ discourse with you as your views and opinions are set in granite ..... hell you can’t even read between the lines of what I said ... you just read my post , decided what you thought I’d said and came up with absolute some guff .
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Tom4784
17-12-2019, 12:41 PM
I’ve no idea what you’re talking about .
I simply meant it was pointless entering into any ‘political ‘ discourse with you as your views and opinions are set in granite ..... hell you can’t even read between the lines of what I said ... you just read my post , decided what you thought I’d said and came up with absolute some guff .
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More insults and no actual arguments, as expected.
More insults and no actual arguments, as expected.
I voiced an opinion on how I’d like things to be in ‘an ideal world’ ...
You simply labelled it as ‘silly’ and you still continue to misunderstand what others say and make incorrect assumptions on ‘their’ behalf ...
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