REMAIN has now LOST - have you come to terms with this now?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lord Heseltine stated today Remain supporters have 'lost' the fight after Boris Johnson election victory

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the peer said he had now abandoned his crusade to stay in the EU after Boris
Johnson won an 80-strong majority on Thursday.


He added: "The reality is Boris Johnson has got a thumping parliamentary
majority and there's no way they will not get their legislation through in very
short order - so we will leave the EU.


"We've then got a period of uncertainty but, frankly, it's pie in the sky to talk
about fighting on in the present circumstances.


"I have no doubt at all my fellow peers in the House of Lords will take the
same view, we are not there to defy the will of the people."


https://politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/108568/lord-heseltine-remain-supporters-have-lost

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Do all of the above who voted Remain now accept the cause is lost and do
you now want Brexit to be a success for the good of the country?

[arista]

Yes The Old fella
is Right .


It is over.

[Mitchell]

No, I still don’t believe it’s for the best of the country, willing to be proved wrong that blue passports and different shaped croissants are worth the trade and medicine risks.

[GoldHeart]

Nothing good can come of Brexit

[arista]

Nothing good can come of Brexit


Lets see......

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nothing good can come of Brexit
That seems rather negative

[Twosugars]

Here for Scotland going indy and rejoining the EU. Then we can move there :cheer2:

Thank you LT for voting for them!

[Shaun]

Seems a rather rhetorical question. No one's going to have changed their minds because of an election :shrug: they're still either in favour or against.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Seems a rather rhetorical question. No one's going to have changed their minds because of an election :shrug: they're still either in favour or against.

the question is have you accepted defeat, its over and we are leaving i guess

[Marsh.]

the question is have you accepted defeat, its over and we are leaving i guess

It's not a game of football.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here for Scotland going indy and rejoining the EU. Then we can move there :cheer2:

Thank you LT for voting for them!

what skills would you bring to Scotland, job skills i mean?

we dont just want anyone rocking up looking for handouts

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not a game of football.

thankfully its now not a political football of the westminster chattering classes no marsh, spot on

[Shaun]

If by "accept" you mean "am powerless to stop", then yes, everyone is :shrug: just seems a rather bait-y thread, really.

53% of the actual vote went to parties with a second referendum minimum but I guess we ignore that and carry on with a token bit of nationalism.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If by "accept" you mean "am powerless to stop", then yes, everyone is :shrug: just seems a rather bait-y thread, really.

53% of the actual vote went to parties with a second referendum minimum but I guess we ignore that and carry on with a token bit of nationalism.

its what Lord Hesaltine, an arch remainer, said today

please read the link

and was debated live on LBC at 5pm

[Crimson Dynamo]

The penny has finally dropped for the political elite that Remain has lost

Some of the most prominent Remainers appear to be starting to believe no deal might
actually happen. Amber Rudd now accepts that no deal is “part of the armoury going
forward”. Gina Miller threatens to take the government to court if Parliament is prorogued
to prevent no deal.


But many Brexiteers remain doubtful that a Boris Johnson government can deliver. Nigel
Farage says he’d “love to know what [Boris Johnson] really, really, really truly believes.
Our attitude, as the Brexit Party, is why would we trust anybody?... Boris now tells us…
that we’re leaving on October 31, and we are pretty sceptical about that.”


Anti-no deal MPs plot and stir. We have efforts to block spending in the event of no deal.
But is that credible? Why wouldn’t Boris simply take us out with no deal and then see
how long Parliament continued to vote to block spending after the deed was already
done — surely no more than days?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/15/penny-has-finally-dropped-political-elite-remain-has-lost/

[Black Dagger]

I mean I've accepted that the rest of the country want us to crash and burn. Doesn't mean I agree with it.

[bots]

in an election that was allegedly to be all about brexit, the remain parties performed spectacularly .... while the leave party swept the board, so i think that reflects the mood of the population

[Twosugars]

If by "accept" you mean "am powerless to stop", then yes, everyone is :shrug: just seems a rather bait-y thread, really.

53% of the actual vote went to parties with a second referendum minimum but I guess we ignore that and carry on with a token bit of nationalism.

Exactly. So majority of voters want a second ref.


What a hollow victory for tories :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

If Brexit can be successful for the UK then fantastic.

However I don't think that Brexit will be successful, especially with the Conservatives in charge.

[Tom4784]

Let them have everything they want and be sure to point and laugh when it all burns down around them.

The fact that leavers are still so fixated on remainers instead of making sure that Brexit will be successful speaks volumes. They know it's a mistake but their arrogance won't allow them to admit it so they focus on remainers because it's easier to focus on a perceived enemy then face the truth and consequences of their actions.

It'll be the same with tory voters for the next five years. You can guarantee that everything bad that will happen will be the result of Corbyn and Labour although Tories hold all the power.

These kinds of people don't want to accept responsibility for their actions, they want a scapegoat.

[Brother Leon]

I can’t wait for this Glorious Great Britain that awaits us now. Surely that is what we are on the verge of and there is no one to blame and stop it anymore?

[Tom4784]

I can’t wait for this Glorious Great Britain that awaits us now. Surely that is what we are on the verge of and there is no one to blame and stop it anymore?

When the **** hits the fan, the leavers will find someone, anyone to blame but themselves.

There's no one to stop them now, they'll get everything they voted for and it'll be nothing that they actually wanted.

[Saph]

Let them have everything they want and be sure to point and laugh when it all burns down around them.

The fact that leavers are still so fixated on remainers instead of making sure that Brexit will be successful speaks volumes. They know it's a mistake but their arrogance won't allow them to admit it so they focus on remainers because it's easier to focus on a perceived enemy then face the truth and consequences of their actions.

It'll be the same with tory voters for the next five years. You can guarantee that everything bad that will happen will be the result of Corbyn and Labour although Tories hold all the power.

These kinds of people don't want to accept responsibility for their actions, they want a scapegoat.

tbh

[James]

They should have backed a compromise leave position from the start (after the referendum) instead of messing around with the People's Vote stuff - which helped get the election result we got.

[Toy Soldier]

I think most people accept it, the problem is Brexiteers believing that "accepting that it's happening" has to involve pretending that it won't be an absolute disaster :joker:.

[Scarlett.]

Remainers are not going anywhere, even when Brexit happens we wont be quiet. :)

[Kizzy]

They should have backed a compromise leave position from the start (after the referendum) instead of messing around with the People's Vote stuff - which helped get the election result we got.

Corbyn never wanted to iirc he was against backing remain and only put the 2nd vote option on the ballot they'd have under duress.
He wanted to leave, it was no secret. He was pilloried for not coming out vocally for remain and also for advocating leave he couldn't win.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think most people accept it, the problem is Brexiteers believing that "accepting that it's happening" has to involve pretending that it won't be an absolute disaster :joker:.

But that is also jargon. It's not happened no one knows

[Withano]

Stupid idea made true by media and gulllible members of the public

[Crimson Dynamo]

Stupid idea made true by media and gulllible members of the public

Oh stop insulting people to to pretend you are somehow better

Ffs it's so old now

[James]

Corbyn never wanted to iirc he was against backing remain and only put the 2nd vote option on the ballot they'd have under duress.
He wanted to leave, it was no secret. He was pilloried for not coming out vocally for remain and also for advocating leave he couldn't win.

Yeah, it is obvious from his record in politics that he is a Eurosceptic in the style of the late Tony Benn. He would have likely backed Leave - had he not been leader of a party which is largely pro-EU - at the time of the referendum.

[Tom4784]

But that is also jargon. It's not happened no one knows

Except for various analysts and experts that make a career on being accurate and so far they've been right in their predictions that it's a disaster. Whenever there's a development with us heading towards Brexit, the value of the pound drops, to think that things won't be bad when Brexit happens is basically being overly optimistic in hopes of overwriting the facts at hand.

[Scarlett.]

Ffs it's so old now

Kinda of like the "we won you lost, so be quiet" mentality is

[Tom4784]

Kinda of like the "we won you lost, so be quiet" mentality is

Such an undemocratic attitude too. 'We won, so you no longer have a right to an opinion because it upsets us!'.

Never mind the whole gross aspect of treating matters of governance like a sport.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kinda of like the "we won you lost, so be quiet" mentality is

It's the view of Lord Heseltine. He is a skilled political person. Are you questioning his opinion?

[rusticgal]

The people voted to leave...the election proved that people want to leave and won’t be bullied by sour faced losers that tried desperately to overturn democracy. Now let’s move on.

[Scarlett.]

It's the view of Lord Heseltine. He is a skilled political person. Are you questioning his opinion?

Lord Vaseline can say whatever he wants

[Kizzy]

Yeah, it is obvious from his record in politics that he is a Eurosceptic in the style of the late Tony Benn. He would have likely backed Leave - had he not been leader of a party which is largely pro-EU - at the time of the referendum.

But was it though, look at the labour heartlands lost to the northern brexiteers? Would those have fallen had he not been swayed by remain backing mps and ministers?