Stormzy tells kids the PM is bad, P.Morgan twitter fight

[arista]

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[Stormzy has defended himself
after Piers Morgan took issue
with him criticising Boris Johnson
to a group of children.
The UK grime star was talking
to young pupils at his old primary school
in Thornton Heath, south London,
when he was asked why
he was not a fan of the prime minister.
He replied that
Johnson was “a very, very bad man”.]


[Good Morning Britain presenter Morgan
was quick to comment, tweeting:
“He shouldn’t have done this,
and shouldn’t have been allowed to do this.”
Stormzy responded: “The kid asked
me a question and I replied
truthfully nothing wrong with that Piers lol.”]

[Morgan replied that the music star
should use his power
“more carefully”, saying:
“Come off it Stormzy – saying stuff like
that to a bunch of
very young schoolkids isn’t cool,
and you know it.
“You’re a hugely influential role model
now to so many youngsters.
Wield that power more carefully.”

Stormzy replied: “No, it isn’t cool,
it’s the truth lol. Again, they asked
me a question and I answered
it truthfully and with jest.]



He said Corbyn was “a man of hope,
a man of justice, a man of equality”.]


Sign Of The Times.

[Oliver_W]

Well I happen to think his "music" is tortuous ear rape, but there are some questions you answer with a bit more tact when talking to a group of small kids.

Maybe the school should give him the chance to sit in a few PSHE lessons.

[Mystic Mock]

He maybe could've worded it differently, but there's nothing wrong imo with letting people teach kids their own Political views.

However the School should maybe balance it out with a Piers Morgan visit and let him state his views to the kids.

[Niamh.]

Why isn't he allowed his opinion? I thought Piers was a fan of opinion expression. Also I really like Stormzy :love:

[arista]

Why isn't he allowed his opinion? I thought Piers was a fan of opinion expression. Also I really like Stormzy :love:


Morgan does want free expression
but not telling little kids
the Winning PM is bad.

If he is so bad
how the hell did he Win so many
Labour seats???????????????????

[Ammi]

...he was asked a question and gave a truthful answer...?...the child knew that he wasn’t a fan of Boris and asked him why...he left it vague, by just saying he ‘was a bad man’...it was a good response ....

...whenever there is any celebrity thing that might be a little controversial or whatever...Piers is always there, making it all about him...

[Niamh.]

Morgan does want free expression

but not telling little kids

the Winning PM is bad.



If he is so bad

how the hell did he Win so many

Labour seats???????????????????Free expression "but" is a contradiction, seems like Piers wants free expression as long as he agrees with it

[Ammi]

...he also responded in a very tongue in cheek way...?...but he responded with honesty and honesty is the most important thing, which Stormzy is aware of...the alternative that Piers seems to be advocating, would be to lie...

[Cherie]

I love Stromzy but I don't think telling youngsters that someone who is now running the country is 'bad' is helpful, hopefully none of them have nightmares :laugh: He could have said, I don't think he will do a good job or something along those lines, in young kids eyes bad = evil

[Ammi]

...children, even in Primary school are very much aware of the political world around them..(..in more vague terms obviously...)..they’re encouraged in critical thinking and what ideals they themselves think of as ‘good’ and ‘bad’...they don’t think of it in terms of ‘evil’...(..in my own personal experience, of course..)...children will tell me their views daily...there are ways in which he could have said it so as to be truthful and he chose a tongue in cheek way, which I personally think was perfectly fine...

[Oliver_W]

I love Stromzy but I don't think telling youngsters that someone who is now running the country is 'bad' is helpful, hopefully none of them have nightmares :laugh: He could have said, I don't think he will do a good job or something along those lines, in young kids eyes bad = evil

Exactly, I have no problem with people sharing their political views, but putting it so bluntly and telling them what to think is BS.

[arista]

...children, even in Primary school are very much aware of the political world around them..(..in more vague terms obviously...)..they’re encouraged in critical thinking and what ideals they themselves think of as ‘good’ and ‘bad’...they don’t think of it in terms of ‘evil’...(..in my own personal experience, of course..)...children will tell me their views daily...there are ways in which he could have said it so as to be truthful and he chose a tongue in cheek way, which I personally think was perfectly fine...



Its better to say the Truth
The New PM won a massive majority
lets give him a chance.




Do not scare kids , like that

[Firewire]

Exactly, I have no problem with people sharing their political views, but putting it so bluntly and telling them what to think is BS.

How?

Kids go home and ask their parents their views on the world and will be told bluntly.

There's nothing wrong with Stormzy doing the same. He has absolutely no duty of care to those children.

[Kazanne]

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[Stormzy has defended himself
after Piers Morgan took issue
with him criticising Boris Johnson
to a group of children.
The UK grime star was talking
to young pupils at his old primary school
in Thornton Heath, south London,
when he was asked why
he was not a fan of the prime minister.
He replied that
Johnson was “a very, very bad man”.]


[Good Morning Britain presenter Morgan
was quick to comment, tweeting:
“He shouldn’t have done this,
and shouldn’t have been allowed to do this.”
Stormzy responded: “The kid asked
me a question and I replied
truthfully nothing wrong with that Piers lol.”]

[Morgan replied that the music star
should use his power
“more carefully”, saying:
“Come off it Stormzy – saying stuff like
that to a bunch of
very young schoolkids isn’t cool,
and you know it.
“You’re a hugely influential role model
now to so many youngsters.
Wield that power more carefully.”

Stormzy replied: “No, it isn’t cool,
it’s the truth lol. Again, they asked
me a question and I answered
it truthfully and with jest.]



He said Corbyn was “a man of hope,
a man of justice, a man of equality”.]


Sign Of The Times.

He was wrong, he gave HIS opinion and was bound to be biased,kids need to make up their own minds with no one pushing them to think as they do,just because they think they are a celeb, I could give my opinion that his music is ****e,but not everyone would agree,he needs to stick to trying to make music, cant stand people who try and force their opinions on others especially kids, as for him answering truthfully,of course it was in HIS eyes, which is the problem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i like sme of his songs but when i hear him speak :umm2:

he is full f the biggest BS around

stick to songs m8

[Firewire]

He was wrong, he gave HIS opinion and was bound to be biased,kids need to make up their own minds with no one pushing them to think as they do,just because they think they are a celeb, I could give my opinion that his music is ****e,but not everyone would agree,he needs to stick to trying to make music, cant stand people who try and force their opinions on theirs especially kids.

He's not forcing his opinion.

Forcing his opinion would be him ranting and raving about how much he hates Boris Johnson without any need. He was asked a question and then answered it. He could've been more blunt if he wanted to. I thought his answer was quite tame.

[Kazanne]

He's not forcing his opinion.

Forcing his opinion would be him ranting and raving about how much he hates Boris Johnson without any need. He was asked a question and then answered it. He could've been more blunt if he wanted to. I thought his answer was quite tame.

Let him stick to praising 'his man of hope' then instead of trying to influence kids to think the same as he does that he doesn't like the man more people voted for.

[Twosugars]

Good one Stormzy :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Would Piers have taken issue if Stormzy's response was highly complimentary? No. He'd argue freedom of speech.

Hypocrite.

[Marsh.]

Let him stick to praising 'his man of hope' then instead of trying to influence kids to think the same as he does that he doesn't like the man more people voted for.

"Trying to influence" Give over, he was asked a question. :joker:

[Marsh.]

All this "his music is sh*te" irrelevant sour grapes would probably be seen as childish even by that primary school class.

"He insulted me fave Prime Minister :("

[Twosugars]

Let him stick to praising 'his man of hope' then instead of trying to influence kids to think the same as he does that he doesn't like the man more people voted for.

Bet you approve of "influencing " kids with religion

At least he told the truth

:laugh::laugh::wavey:

[Liam-]

King of selective free speech strikes again

[Niamh.]

I mean as if those kids haven't heard all sorts about Boris and Jeremy Corbyn anyway over the last few months between the election and Brexit in general, I'm sure "he's a bad man" is pretty light in comparison

[Marsh.]

Yeah, are the election campaigns themselves shy about voicing their doomsday predictions about one another?

Do they think of the children? Especially children that aren't born of the wealthy?

Do me a favour.

[Kizzy]

Morgan does want free expression
but not telling little kids
the Winning PM is bad.

If he is so bad
how the hell did he Win so many
Labour seats???????????????????

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[Liam-]

Piers on GMB and the majority of newspapers have been pushing stories about the impending national doom if Jeremy Corbyn got into power for the past few months, did they not stop to think of the children being influenced by their opinions? Cause kids hear and read things constantly when they’re around their parents, are young people only allowed to hear the opinions of the right? The rank hypocrisy of Piers and his ilk is a threat to the country imo

[Kizzy]

How dare morgan suggest someone can't give an honest answer to a question?
What about Clarkson, he is a celebrity host if a popular TV show with a wide audience, how come we're regularly subjected to his ravings on politics? He's another tory mouthpiece that's why.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he is a religionist as well so should not be allowed into schools imo

[Niamh.]

Piers on GMB and the majority of newspapers have been pushing stories about the impending national doom if Jeremy Corbyn got into power for the past few months, did they not stop to think of the children being influenced by their opinions? Cause kids hear and read things constantly when they’re around their parents, are young people only allowed to hear the opinions of the right? The rank hypocrisy of Piers and his ilk is a threat to the country imo

I'm sure if JC had won he would have stopped and become very respectful of him :umm2:

What annoys me in situations like these is that a person who seems to genuinely care about those around him, young people and people who are struggling and wants to give something back are made out to be the villains by people who really don't give two ****s about helping people

[Twosugars]

I'm sure if JC had won he would have stopped and become very respectful of him :umm2:

What annoys me in situations like these is that a person who seems to genuinely care about those around him, young people and people who are struggling and wants to give something back are made out to be the villains by people who really don't give two ****s about helping people

:clap1:

[jet]

I know quite a few teachers who can't stand Corbyn. Do you think they should be honest and tell the kids that he's 'a bad man' if they ask why he didn't win the election? :smug:

[jet]

The teachers could tell the kids that Corbyn supported and was friends with a terrorist group who murdered many little children like themselves. Honesty is the best policy, right? :rolleyes:

[Niamh.]

I know quite a few teachers who can't stand Corbyn. Do you think they should be honest and tell the kids that he's 'a bad man' if they ask why he didn't win the election? :smug:

If they want to and if the children ask their opinion then I guess so, I don't see why the need for the smug smiley like you've just proved some invisible point though?

[Niamh.]

The teachers could tell the kids that Corbyn supported and was friends with a terrorist group who murdered many little children like themselves. Honesty is the best policy, right? :rolleyes:

Yeah that's exactly equal to what Stormzy said............

[Liam-]

The teachers could tell the kids that Corbyn supported and was friends with a terrorist group who murdered many little children like themselves. Honesty is the best policy, right? :rolleyes:

If Stormzy had told them every bad thing Boris has ever done or said, then you might have a bit of a point, but that’s just one big false equivalence

[Kizzy]

I know quite a few teachers who can't stand Corbyn. Do you think they should be honest and tell the kids that he's 'a bad man' if they ask why he didn't win the election? :smug:

They should be honest, would that be an honest statement to make?

Teachers should be explaining why the British govt has been propped up by the people whose corrupt scheme caused the closure at Stormont. And explain their more than murky past too. :smug:

[jet]

Yeah that's exactly equal to what Stormzy said............

Oh we have to have just not honesty now, but equal honesty. I didn't know the rules...

[Niamh.]

Oh we have to have just not honesty now, but equal honesty. I didn't know the rules...

I'm sure if you have kids jet, you'll have some idea of how to talk to them :thumbs:

[jet]

I'm sure if you have kids jet, you'll have some idea of how to talk to them :thumbs:

What exactly is that insult supposed to mean?

[Niamh.]

What exactly is that insult supposed to mean?

How is it an insult? I mean if you have children yourself (I have no idea if you do or not) then I'm sure you will be aware of how to be honest with a child, you don't go in all guns ablazing talking about murdered children etc, you can be honest and tactful at the same time.

[Kizzy]

Where is it written that someone should have to lie and betray their personal principles when asked a question?

Be you a rapper, a teacher or anyone?
I appreciate how subjective that is, and it is better at times to remain objective however when faced with a question on your personal opinion rather than on the parties they represent then there is no need to temper your response.

[jet]

How is it an insult? I mean if you have children yourself (I have no idea if you do or not) then I'm sure you will be aware of how to be honest with a child, you don't go in all guns ablazing talking about murdered children etc, you can be honest and tactful at the same time.

Honest and tactful at the same time - yes I would, unlike Stormzy....
God knows what goes on in childrens minds when they are told someone is 'a bad man'.

[Niamh.]

Honest and tactful at the same time - yes I would, unlike Stormzy....
God knows what goes on in childrens minds when they are told someone is 'a bad man'.

Oh give over, bad man is light, lets not pretend that the only reason you're making such a big deal about this isn't because Stormzy likes JC and Boris is his competition/opposition

[Kizzy]

Honest and tactful at the same time - yes I would, unlike Stormzy....
God knows what goes on in childrens minds when they are told someone is 'a bad man'.

Yes tactful ..don't say things like Johnson sells weapons to people who use them to kill 100s of children, never say that

Don't say he is a liar
Don't say he arranges people to attack others
Don't say he is an adulterer

When he wouldn't look at the picture of the child on the floor of A&E in Leeds general infirmary. .. whatever you do don't say he's a bad man.

[Kizzy]

Where is the evidence he is a good man? .. Genuinely interested.

[jet]

Oh give over, bad man is light, lets not pretend that the only reason you're making such a big deal about this isn't because Stormzy likes JC and Boris is his competition/opposition

I don't give a hoot about Boris, I'm not a fan, I just don't like hypocrisy. 'Bad man' may be light in your mind, it wouldn't be in the minds of children. If an influential singer had told children Corbyn is 'a bad man' I wouldn't agree with their action either, as much as I despise him. You just don't say that, particulary to other peoples children.

[jet]

Yes tactful ..don't say things like Johnson sells weapons to people who use them to kill 100s of children, never say that

Don't say he is a liar
Don't say he arranges people to attack others
Don't say he is an adulterer

When he wouldn't look at the picture of the child on the floor of A&E in Leeds general infirmary. .. whatever you do don't say he's a bad man.

Not to children, no.

[Marsh.]

Not all of these champions of free speech suddenly having a problem with it. Colour me shocked.

[Niamh.]

I don't give a hoot about Boris, I'm not a fan, I just don't like hypocrisy. 'Bad man' may be light in your mind, it wouldn't be in the minds of children. If an influential singer had told children Corbyn is 'a bad man' I wouldn't agree with their action either, as much as I despise him. You just don't say that, particulary to other peoples children.

I know you don't give a hoot about Boris, I never said you did, I said you are only bothered because he likes JC and Boris is his opposition. The hypothetical "I'd be bothered if he said the same about JC" isn't very believable to me....but if you say so...........

[jet]

I know you don't give a hoot about Boris, I never said you did, I said you are only bothered because he likes JC and Boris is his opposition. The hypothetical "I'd be bothered if he said the same about JC" isn't very believable to me....but if you say so...........

I do say so. What you say to adults and what you say to impressionable children are poles apart.

[Niamh.]

I do say so. What you say to adults and what you say to impressionable children are poles apart.

Well forgive me for waiting to "believe that when I see it" :laugh:

[jet]

Well forgive me for waiting to "believe that when I see it" :laugh:

I don't know what this means? :conf:

[Niamh.]

I don't know what this means? :conf:

"If an influential singer had told children Corbyn is 'a bad man' I wouldn't agree with their action either,"

I'll believe that when I see it

[Kizzy]

Not to children, no.

So we should lie to children?

[jet]

"If an influential singer had told children Corbyn is 'a bad man' I wouldn't agree with their action either,"

I'll believe that when I see it

I still don't get it. Are you saying I'm a liar?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So we should lie to children?

all parents of young children are at this time for year

[Niamh.]

I still don't get it. Are you saying I'm a liar?

How could I be saying you're lying about something that hasn't happened? Maybe you believe that's how you would react, I don't know but when it does happen and you do react the same way, then I'll believe it, you're asking me to believe something that hasn't even happened which would be silly

[arista]

So we should lie to children?


He could say :
I did not support this PM
I wanted the OLD Fella
Then say all the things he preferred...........

[The Slim Reaper]

1207390751451045888

Explain how this government has any good people in it

[Kizzy]

all parents of young children are at this time for year

Not the point I'm making here, try to stick to this specific issue.
Santa is not relevant here..nor is 'god'.

It's whether this man has the right to truthfully give his opinion on the PM to a child.

[Kizzy]

He could say :
I did support this PM
I wanted the OLD Fella
Then say all the things he preferred...........

Nope that would be a lie, he didn't support the PM.

[jet]

How could I be saying you're lying about something that hasn't happened? Maybe you believe that's how you would react, I don't know but when it does happen and you do react the same way, then I'll believe it, you're asking me to believe something that hasn't even happened which would be silly

I haven't seen you applying the same principle to other hypotheticals on the forum. Perhaps it didn't suit you to do so.
I know my own morals and my own mind, and what I said is the truth. You not believing me is irrelevant. :shrug:

[Niamh.]

I haven't seen you applying the same principle to other hypotheticals on the forum. Perhaps it didn't suit you to do so.
I know my own morals and my own mind, and what I said is the truth. You not believing me is irrelevant. :shrug:

:thumbs:

[arista]

Nope that would be a lie, he didn't support the PM.



my error I missed "not" out

[He could say :
I did not support this PM
I wanted the OLD Fella
Then say all the things he preferred.]

[Kizzy]

my error I missed "not" out

[He could say :
I did not support this PM
I wanted the OLD Fella
Then say all the things he preferred.]

That's not answering the question that was asked though.
If a child or anyone asks a specific question they deserve a specific and truthful answer.

[Niamh.]

This reply though :laugh2:

"Piers thinks the only way to listen to kids ideas is by tapping their phones though, he can't say owt"

[Black Dagger]

Piers only likes freedom of speech when it conforms to his ideologies. The bloke is a bore.

[Marsh.]

Why are false equivalencies being brought into it

Did Stormzy go into graphic and adult detail? No, he responded to a question asked of him in the most simple terms.

[Kizzy]

This reply though :laugh2:

"Piers thinks the only way to listen to kids ideas is by tapping their phones though, he can't say owt"

Only phones of murdered kids... Let's be fair.

[The Slim Reaper]

Only phones of murdered kids... Let's be fair.

Yeah, he's not craven or anything. Heaven forbid...

[Kizzy]

You ask all the questions jet let me ask one, do you think yhe tories were right to be propped up by the DUP considering their corruption closed Stormont?

[jet]

You ask all the questions jet let me ask one, do you think yhe tories were right to be propped up by the DUP considering their corruption closed Stormont?

No.

[Tom4784]

Piers the snowflake strikes again. He clutches his pearls over opinions he doesn't agree with but not at tapping murdered children's phones.

[jet]

Piers the snowflake strikes again. He clutches his pearls over opinions he doesn't agree with but not at tapping murdered children's phones.

Agree with this, but what Stormzy did was still wrong.

[Tom4784]

Agree with this, but what Stormzy did was still wrong.

He was asked a question and he answered it. I doubt this would have been a story if it was the other way around and he complimented Boris. Speaking politics is only a bad thing if you criticise the tories, it seems.

[Ammi]

...we had a huge classroom debate about Stormzy and Boris Johnson this morning...it’s the first one we’ve had since the General Election..so inspired by Stormzy, I guess we can say...(...no mention of Piers Morgan, though...I’m not sure that the children in the class are aware of him..)...it was a very interesting discussion...lots of really engaged children with very interesting views of their PM...and many young people being huge fans of Stormzy...:lovedup:...

[bots]

i'm sure they will have heard many different political opinions before they are of an age to vote :laugh: Outrage for the sake of it

[Ammi]

i'm sure they will have heard many different political opinions before they are of an age to vote :laugh: Outrage for the sake of it

...:love:..a voice of much wisdom, Bots...it’s inspiring to see children much more engaged in politics than back in the day...and to map their critical thinking...:lovedup:..

[Twosugars]

...we had a huge classroom debate about Stormzy and Boris Johnson this morning...it’s the first one we’ve had since the General Election..so inspired by Stormzy, I guess we can say...(...no mention of Piers Morgan, though...I’m not sure that the children in the class are aware of him..)...it was a very interesting discussion...lots of really engaged children with very interesting views of their PM...and many young people being huge fans of Stormzy...:lovedup:...

I'd ask for a cuddle if you were my teacher:love:

[Marsh.]

I'd ask for a cuddle if you were my teacher:love:

Ammi would tactifully give you a paper towel to catch all that snot dribbling down your face as you're obviously one of the... sticky kids. :smug:

[Twosugars]

Ammi would tactifully give you a paper towel to catch all that snot dribbling down your face as you're obviously one of the... sticky kids. :smug:

:oh:


I just like breasts :smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

A debate amongst the class, quite common in school as a way of getting the pupils to engage with one another. Maybe you've forgotten. :hee:

not politics as it is too open to Abuse

[Marsh.]

not politics as it is too open to Abuse

Well, they're kids so I doubt it was a House of Commons debate. Good grief.

Discussing the world and the news with each other is very healthy. Don't be such a snowflake.

[jet]

not politics as it is too open to Abuse

I totally agree. Politics has no place in a classroom of young children. It is the parents perogative to speak to their child on the subject. Schools have no business indoctrinating young minds, or allowing a visitor to do so in any direction, which may go against the beliefs and values of their parents.
When children are a lot older they can weigh up differing views and make up their own minds, young children can't, at a stage when they are very impressionable to boot.

[Kizzy]

Through out the election campaign both parties regularly attended primary schools and chatted to pupils. I heArd no protest from you then jet.

[Tom4784]

At the end of the day, it's all noise. The people upset would be cheering Stormzy on if he said the same thing about Corbyn. It's a non-story at the end of the day and the controversy is nothing more than hypocritical partisanship from the Tories and their supporters.

[jet]

Kizzy said
Do you really think teachers are that stupid that after 10yrs of cuts they can trust this govt just because Johnson came for a photo op? ... lol


Many people trusted this govt (including former Labour voters) more than the alternative because they were demolished in the election, remember? - and 43% of poeple in polls said they didn't trust the Labour leadership.
Perhaps you've blanked out that Labour had their worst defeat in 35 years. When it came to trust Corbyn was a big no - no, his own photo - ops certainly didn't work. LOL!

[Brother Leon]

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Good ol’ Stormzy and Harry.

[arista]

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Good ol’ Stormzy and Harry.


Yes Pathetic
he ain't NO
NWA.

That Group did the F. The Police Song
and they sound better in 1988
than Stormzy


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[Oliver_W]

1207806524241911808

Good ol’ Stormzy and Harry.

Lol bless 'em. Who need punk when we have some idiot spewing obscenities? I bet they nearly choked on their Panda Pops when they thought of doing this.

[Elliot]

Free speech for ALL