WALES: WOMAN 47, slips over, waits 6 hours for Ambulace, then DIES in Hosp

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mother, 47, who was forced to wait nearly SIX hours on freezing
pavement for an ambulance after slipping and breaking her foot dies of heart
attack in hospital just hours later



Donna Gilby, 47, left her flat in Cwmaman, Wales, just after 8am on Tuesday morning and slipped over
Friends and family called an ambulance and huddled around her with blankets and tried to keep her warm
Ambulance turned up six hours later and took the mother-of-one to hospital, she suffered a cardiac arrest
Family have now said she was the sort of woman who 'always put others before herself' and was 'good as gold


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/19/13/22443594-7808971-Donna_Gilby_stranded_on_the_pavement_outside_her_C wmaman_home_as-a-56_1576763817857.jpg

A mother who was forced to wait nearly six hours on a freezing pavement for
an ambulance later died in hospital of a heart attack.


Donna Gilby left her flat just after 8am on Tuesday morning for a doctor's
appointment when she slipped and fractured her foot.


Now the 47-year-old's family wants the world to see the photograph of her on
the freezing pavement - face-down and unable to move - as her friends and
neighbours rallied round, covering her with blankets and duvets to keep her
warm.


They also called 999 for the mother-of-one, from Cwmaman, who suffered
from an irregular heart beat and had two mini-strokes, and alerted her family
who live nearby.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7808971/Mother-47-forced-wait-nearly-SIX-hours-freezing-pavement-ambulance.html

[Scarlett.]

How can it take that long for an ambulance?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How can it take that long for an ambulance?

why did no one try to get her up?

[arista]

Real Sad

[Scarlett.]

why did no one try to get her up?

That's true, it was only her foot that was fractured, after about an hour surely someone would have thought "That's it, we're taking you to A&E ourselves"

[Marsh.]

There has to be more detail. That's appalling.

No way would you leave her there on the pavement for six hours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's true, it was only her foot that was fractured, after about an hour surely someone would have thought "That's it, we're taking you to A&E ourselves"

exactly

I am pretty sure i would go out after like an hour and say right you cant lie there love we have to get you up

[user104658]

How can it take that long for an ambulance?

The deliberate under-funding and covert privatisation of the NHS with Tory austerity cuts. I'm not using this tragic incident to make a political point; that is the answer. That is the reason. There aren't enough ambulances because the government is not funding enough ambulances, and ambulance controllers have to prioritise based on what's being reported. If the person is awake and responsive, the ambulance may take hours. If you need an ambulance quickly, emphasise the reason: the person is unconscious, unresponsive, or bleeding heavily. Otherwise you'll wait. Sad, sad situation.

[Niamh.]

Yeah seems odd that they would leave her there for 6 hours, why not get her in a taxi or get a lift? weird

[user104658]

why did no one try to get her up?

That's true, it was only her foot that was fractured, after about an hour surely someone would have thought "That's it, we're taking you to A&E ourselves"

Yeah seems odd that they would leave her there for 6 hours, why not get her in a taxi or get a lift? weird

If I had to guess, when they called an ambulance they'll have been casually advised not to move her... and (frankly) most people are afraid to go against what's perceived as "the voice of authority" even if common sense dictates it's time to do that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If I had to guess, when they called an ambulance they'll have been casually advised not to move her... and (frankly) most people are afraid to go against what's perceived as "the voice of authority" even if common sense dictates it's time to do that.

i dont buy that, where are her family?

[Liam-]

How can it take that long for an ambulance?

Waiting tones can be horrific here at times, my mum has an accident earlier in the year, cut an artery in the process , was bleeding profusely and was told she’d have to wait 2 hours for an ambulance, the service you get in the hospitals is great, but waiting times and availability of equipment is very hit and miss

[Crimson Dynamo]

Statement in response to November 2019’s performance figures
19th December 2019

Jason Killens, the Welsh Ambulance Service’s Chief Executive, said: “We had more than 40,300 calls via 999 in November, which is 2,000 more than last November.

“While we are disappointed not to have achieved our target in November, the average response to a Red call was six minutes and 39 seconds, and we reached 73 per cent of these calls in ten minutes.

“That said, we accept that a wait for help can feel much longer to someone in distress and we apologise to anyone who waited longer than they should have.

“An increase in high-priority calls, coupled with significant hospital handover delays, were the main reasons we missed our target for the first time since October 2015.

“This inevitably has a knock-on effect to the length of time people have to wait for our care.

“Pressures are being felt across the whole system, not just in Wales but nationally, and we continue to work with health boards to find ways to release our ambulances quickly and support the discharge of patients, freeing up more beds.

“We’re also doing lots of work to provide care closer to patients’ homes and prevent hospital admissions in the first place, by upskilling our staff and working with partners to ensure we can point patients to alternative services if they don’t require a trip to hospital.

“We will always aim to get to those patients whose condition is life-threatening or very urgent first and as soon as we can.

“It’s important that people use the right service for them and don’t immediately turn to 999 or the Emergency Department.

“NHS Direct Wales, 111, or your local pharmacy is always a good place to start.

https://www.ambulance.wales.nhs.uk/Default.aspx?gcid=1604&lan=en

:umm2:

[Twosugars]

Tory Britain :skull:

[Ammi]

Waiting tones can be horrific here at times, my mum has an accident earlier in the year, cut an artery in the process , was bleeding profusely and was told she’d have to wait 2 hours for an ambulance, the service you get in the hospitals is great, but waiting times and availability of equipment is very hit and miss

...she’s okay though, Liam..?..

[Cherie]

They will have been told not to move her, my aunt fell last week and some people called an ambulance and the ambulance operator said they shouldn't move her, that said the ambulance turned up after 20 minutes and that was on a Saturday evening in London, I would have thought people would have used their common sense after a hour? or the ambulance service would have sent a rapid response person to assess ?

[Marsh.]

"we appreciate a wait for help can feel much longer"

What kind of not taking any responsibility bullsh*t apology is this?

Feel longer? FEEL LONGER? She waited SIX ****ing hours.

[Cherie]

Tory Britain :skull:

Isn't Wales NHS managed by Labour?

[Eddie.]

Such sad news especially at this time of the year.

I really don't get why they just left her lying down on the pavement for SIX hours. Something really doesn't add up here. They could have brought her to the hospital themselves, or if they really wanted to wait for the ambulance and if common sense kicked in, then they could have lifted her in to the house to be warm, and maybe try and do something to reduce the pain from the fracture.

[Kazanne]

why did no one try to get her up?

Hmmm,Im a bit sceptical about this one from The Sun,surely someone could have put her in the house or their car or even a chair .

[Twosugars]

Isn't Wales NHS managed by Labour?

Funded by london government

[Liam-]

...she’s okay though, Liam..?..

She’s currently in hospital for something unrelated to that accident, but she’s fine in respect to her injury yeah, thought she was going to lose her leg from it at one point but she’s healed well :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hmmm,Im a bit sceptical about this one from The Sun,surely someone could have put her in the house or their car or even a chair .

No from DM but also reported in Mirror, Guardian, ITV, Gloucester online etc

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/19/woman-dies-after-waiting-on-street-for-six-hours-for-ambulance-wales

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/picture-family-wants-you-see-3659473

[Liam-]

Isn't Wales NHS managed by Labour?

Correct, however they get their funding from Westminster, which has been cut by 41% over the past couple of years

[user104658]

Isn't Wales NHS managed by Labour?

Not really relevant, it's about funding. If it isn't there it isn't there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scottish national ambulance response time target is 8 minutes. Aim to make 75% of that

[Kazanne]

Scottish national ambulance response time target is 8 minutes. Aim to make 75% of that

How come an ambulance took hours to get there ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How come an ambulance took hours to get there ?

i mean surely if a lady with previous heart emergency calls shows up as fallen outside it flags up?

[user104658]

i mean surely if a lady with previous heart emergency calls shows up as fallen outside it flags up?

Only if the caller mentions it, 999 operator doesn't have access to patient details of any kind.

[Cherie]

Funded by london government

Not really relevant, it's about funding. If it isn't there it isn't there.

Where else is there a 6 hour wait for an ambulance?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Only if the caller mentions it, 999 operator doesn't have access to patient details of any kind.

but they did mention it as it was her neighbour who called the ambulance

[Marsh.]

Where else is there a 6 hour wait for an ambulance?

By the sounds of it this isn't a standard Welsh thing. It's a one off.

Not that that excuses anything for this poor woman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

they keep mentioning a big increase in red calls year on year why is this?

[Marsh.]

they keep mentioning a big increase in red calls year on year why is this?

Because there's an increase in calls year on year I would imagine.

[user104658]

Where else is there a 6 hour wait for an ambulance?

Could be anywhere - total pot luck. If your case isn't urgent your ambulance can be 30 seconds away and get turned around because of a more serious incident elsewhere.

[The Slim Reaper]

Where else is there a 6 hour wait for an ambulance?

I'm sure we had an English version of this within the last few months.

Edit: found

https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/woman-thanks-those-who-helped-her-after-fall-in-kings-lynn-town-centre-9086482/

A woman who spent four hours waiting for an ambulance after falling over in Lynn’s town centre last week has thanked those who came to her aid.

The elderly woman, who has asked not to be named, broke her hip after tripping and falling on Broad Street on Tuesday, after which a number of businesses and a retired A&E doctor offered their help.

Ruth Griffiths, the woman’s daughter, said they are hoping to identify the doctor, who they believe was called John, who stayed with her while she waited in the doorway of a shop on Broad Street from around 10.15am to 2.15pm.

Edit pt 2.

There's actually a load of these stories from the last few years, although this lady unfortunately died is why this is being reported so prominently.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because there's an increase in calls year on year I would imagine.

Caused by?

[Strictly Jake]

Whether advised not to move her or not after an hour or 2 youd try!!

[Marsh.]

Caused by?

How am I supposed to know?

[Cherie]

I'm sure we had an English version of this within the last few months.

Edit: found

https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/woman-thanks-those-who-helped-her-after-fall-in-kings-lynn-town-centre-9086482/

A woman who spent four hours waiting for an ambulance after falling over in Lynn’s town centre last week has thanked those who came to her aid.

The elderly woman, who has asked not to be named, broke her hip after tripping and falling on Broad Street on Tuesday, after which a number of businesses and a retired A&E doctor offered their help.

Ruth Griffiths, the woman’s daughter, said they are hoping to identify the doctor, who they believe was called John, who stayed with her while she waited in the doorway of a shop on Broad Street from around 10.15am to 2.15pm.

Do we ever hear when they turn up fast :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

How am I supposed to know?

I think illegal immigrants is the answer he wants.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How am I supposed to know?

:fist: you live near Wales dont you keep your ear to the ground?

[The Slim Reaper]

Do we ever hear when they turn up fast :laugh:

Wouldn't have thought so, as that is why we call ambulances to begin with.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think illegal immigrants is the answer he wants.

i doubt they go to wales if they are escaping horrible domestic conditions


:hehe:

[Marsh.]

Do we ever hear when they turn up fast :laugh:

Chorie went arse over tit over her zimmer and was rushed to A&E within 3 minutes isn't really a news story.

[Kazanne]

Caused by?

Probably people with a sniffle

[Marsh.]

Probably people with a sniffle

Victim blaming again?

Hospital and ambulance service can't cope with demand for patients. Damn them bloody patients getting ill, having accidents and dying. :fist:

[Kazanne]

Victim blaming again?

Hospital and ambulance service can't cope with demand for patients. Damn them bloody patients getting ill, having accidents and dying. :fist:

It's a fact many people use it when they don't need to :fist:

[Cherie]

Chorie went arse over tit over her zimmer and was rushed to A&E within 3 minutes isn't really a news story.

Well exactly ..6 hours is unusual, so sorry for that lady she was unlucky

[Tom4784]

More evidence of the demonisation of the NHS in order to soften the public up to selling and dismantling it.

[Tom4784]

Victim blaming again?

Hospital and ambulance service can't cope with demand for patients. Damn them bloody patients getting ill, having accidents and dying. :fist:

Victim blaming is the Tories' go to. Blame someone more unfortunate than yourself, the rich will blame the middle class, the middle class blames the working class, the working class blames the vulnerable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

More evidence of the demonisation of the NHS in order to soften the public up to selling and dismantling it.

It's not about that a woman dies ffs

[Twosugars]

It's not about that a woman dies ffs

Death as a consequence of overstretched nhs caused by underfunding caused by the cons who cant be trusted not to sell it

There heres the cause effect sequence for you

[michael21]

6 hours

How many have to die before the gov dose some thing

Very sad

[Crimson Dynamo]

Death as a consequence of overstretched nhs caused by underfunding caused by the cons who cant be trusted not to sell it

There heres the cause effect sequence for you

You don't know that yet you try to make the point. Awful

[Twosugars]

You don't know that yet you try to make the point. Awful

Your response :notimpressed:
Terrible

[Beso]

6 hours

How many have to die before the gov dose some thing

Very sad

If that was a terrorist incident, the public would have jumped in, ignoring all warnings.

Looks like they were all to busying thier phones to do the decent thing and pick her up, if they could..pop her in the back of a neighbours car..maybe take her to A&E and use it for what it's for...

[Kizzy]

Isn't Wales NHS managed by Labour?

Corbyn's fault!!...

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/EFE6/production/_110241416_metro.jpg

[Tom4784]

This whole story is fishy.

Why leave her on the pavement? Why would they bundle her up in freezing conditions instead of moving her inside or getting alternate transport to the hospital?

I feel sorry for the family but I just don't understand why they weren't more pro-active, who the hell decided to leave her outside on the pavement in December?!

[Crimson Dynamo]

This whole story is fishy.

Why leave her on the pavement? Why would they bundle her up in freezing conditions instead of moving her inside or getting alternate transport to the hospital?

I feel sorry for the family but I just don't understand why they weren't more pro-active, who the hell decided to leave her outside on the pavement in December?!

it does sound incredible but multiple sources have reported it word for word and no follow ups have been done by locals etc. Its like they made her a little shrine in the cold and left her, not one man tried to lift her to her feet and put her in a car to hospital - its unfathomable

[Tom4784]

it does sound incredible but multiple sources have reported it word for word and no follow ups have been done by locals etc. Its like they made her a little shrine in the cold and left her, not one man tried to lift her to her feet and put her in a car to hospital - its unfathomable

It's just bizarre, anyone with common sense would have gotten her into a car after the first hour, I'd have done it sooner and I woulldn't have left her on the pavement like that.

I want to understand the reasoning why no one thought to do more but blame the ambulance for not getting there sooner.

[Marsh.]

The thing is, surely she had to be moved around/lifted to get that blanket underneath her. Yet no one thought of simply getting her in the house or a car. :crazy:

[Tom4784]

The thing is, surely she had to be moved around/lifted to get that blanket underneath her. Yet no one thought of simply getting her in the house or a car. :crazy:

Better to blame the ambulances that were likely backlogged on calls then their own inaction.

The more I think about this story, the less sympathetic I am for her family, she died through their inaction, not because of the NHS.

[Cherie]

Lets face it, a 6 hour wait for an ambulance is obscene, but not the norm, it seems people have become unable to apply any common sense, just call an ambulance for everything, once they established it was her ankle that was the issue, and not her back or her neck someone should have got her up and she could have hopped to a taxi, or car, I think people take watching Casualty to the extreme and thing everyone needs paramedic assistance, she fell over, she didn't bump her head or pass out, its insanity and I am not sure how anyone can justify leaving her there for six hours without doing something

[Tom4784]

Lets face it, a 6 hour wait for an ambulance is obscene, but not the norm, it seems people have because unable to apply any common sense, just call an ambulance for everything, once they established it was her ankle that was the issue, and not her back or her neck someone should have got her up and she could have hopped to a taxi, or car, I think people take watching Casualty to the extreme and thing everyone needs paramedic assistance, she fell over, she didn't bump her head or pass out, its insanity and I am not sure how anyone can justify leaving her there for six hours without doing something

Agreed.

It's just a mind boggling story, what were they all doing?

I'm reluctant to blame the ambulances since, if there is such a delay then you know it's for a reason outside of their control. The people should have taken action themselves in that situation and got her to hospital.

[Beso]

I don't want to say it but I'm going to...perhaps she suffocated herself with her own body weight laying there for so long that her heart couldn't take the extra pressure..it's the only thing I can think of that caused her sad ending...so maybe she couldn't be picked up!

[Kazanne]

I don't want to say it but I'm going to...perhaps she suffocated herself with her own body weight laying there for so long that her heart couldn't take the extra pressure..it's the only thing I can think of that caused her sad ending...so maybe she couldn't be picked up!

It could also just be coincidence Oliver ,maybe she would have died anyway ,we will never know, has this made the TV news yet as I've not seen any of it ? Its a crying shame that happened but as they say fact is stranger than fiction, maybe she slipped due to an underlying condition, I guess a post mortem will probably help.

[Kizzy]

Not going to lie after about 45mins I'd have scraped her off the floor and thrown her in the back of the micra.

[Jigs]

What the hell is happening in this country honestly...

Why didn't they move her? Call a taxi? As harrowing as it is seeing the photograph of her lying on the ground outside, I find it incredibly distasteful to make an entire exhibit out of her by wrapping her in duvets, blankets, etc. when all of this extra energy could have been focused towards moving the poor woman off the floor and into safer, comfier conditions. Why does the photo even exist? Oh I see, because they remembered the image of the child lying on the hospital floor went viral some weeks ago and wanted to get in on the action. Selling the exclusive image to the paper in order to get some cash, was it?

A woman has lost her life because apparently people couldn't put their heads together and realise how to help save not only her humility and pride, but her life. Not to mention she was a mother, so now someone has literally been left without a mum because she fell over outside her house.

This is jarring.

[Beso]

What the hell is happening in this country honestly...

Why didn't they move her? Call a taxi? As harrowing as it is seeing the photograph of her lying on the ground outside, I find it incredibly distasteful to make an entire exhibit out of her by wrapping her in duvets, blankets, etc. when all of this extra energy could have been focused towards moving the poor woman off the floor and into safer, comfier conditions. Why does the photo even exist? Oh I see, because they remembered the image of the child lying on the hospital floor went viral some weeks ago and wanted to get in on the action. Selling the exclusive image to the paper in order to get some cash, was it?

A woman has lost her life because apparently people couldn't put their heads together and realise how to help save not only her humility and pride, but her life. Not to mention she was a mother, so now someone has literally been left without a mum because she fell over outside her house.

This is jarring.

Well said jigs .