I keep finding myself being addressed as 'cis' in debates....

[Swan]

usually spat with venom, as if being the gender i was born as is a bad thing.

Anyway, before i knew what cis meant, i had to look it up -


https://young.scot/get-informed/national/gender-identity-terms

Some the terms are perfectly reasonable, but some are just utterly ridiculous imo, and complete overkill.

[MB.]

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

[MB.]

Either that or you're debating effeminate gays who can't stop calling you 'sis'

[Swan]

Nah im not really ar*ed if people wanna call me cis or whatever, i just think some of the terms are rather humours and could be very easily exploited. If im cis im cis, idk lol.

[Ant.]

Nah im not really ar*ed if people wanna call me cis or whatever, i just think some of the terms are rather humours and could be very easily exploited. If im cis im cis, idk lol.

can I ask what you want to achieve by making this thread

[Swan]

can I ask what you want to achieve by making this thread

Well im curious on how some of these terms, like gender fluid for example can't be, and aren't exploited?

[Ant.]

Well im curious on how some of these terms, like gender fluid for example can't be, and aren't exploited?

But those terms are exploited... :unsure:

[Beso]

Sorry swan..I meant sis..my spellchecker and reading glasses fault, not mine.

[Withano]

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

The clap emoji wouldn’t do this justice
This is an excellent post.

[Elliot]

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

Tea

[Jessica.]

I used that term while replying to some of your post because there happens to be a lot of trans men in the world who are straight and white and not gay but don't have the same privilege as a cis guy.

[Saph]

A lot of them seem to mean the same sort of thing

[Oliver_W]

I used that term while replying to some of your post because there happens to be a lot of trans men in the world who are straight and white and not gay but don't have the same privilege as a cis guy.

What privilege are they missing out on, in your opinion?

(I actually agree with you, but I have reasoning behind it, and I'd be interested to see what yours is)

[Livia]

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

[Withano]

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

Not all women are ciswomen. It’s a word to differentiate you from a transwoman as “woman” alone doesn’t actually do that...

[smudgie]

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

Yes, I don’t see the point.
I have never felt the urge to have to tell anyone in passing I am a woman, never mind yet another label, a cis woman.:shrug:

[Twosugars]

My understanding is it only applies when discussing trans issues.

And I dont have a problem with being called a cis man.


The same like I dont object to being called caucasian to describe my race.
Never even been to Caucasus :)

[Kazanne]

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

The voice of reason again :wavey:

[Morgan.]

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

Therefore you are a cis woman, it’s the same thing.

[Morgan.]

Cisgender isn’t some derogatory label given to non-trans people by trans people it’s literally just what someone who identifies the same as what they were born is called.

[Livia]

Therefore you are a cis woman, it’s the same thing.

Thank you Morgan, but I don't need another word or term.

[Jessica.]

I can't believe people are refusing to accept being called what they are. In an ideal world it wouldn't matter if people were cis or not, but it does because people who aren't cis are often treated differently because of that fact. If you say you're not cis then it means you don't identify 100% with the gender you were assigned at birth.

[Livia]

Cisgender isn’t some derogatory label given to non-trans people by trans people it’s literally just what someone who identifies the same as what they were born is called.

I prefer born woman. It takes the same amount of time to say, and I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am. Trans woman, born women, worth the same, but are different.

[bots]

i think it very much depends what your social circle is. The term cis just isn't used in my social circle, and the only place i have ever seen it used is on this forum, which is pretty ironic really given that posters are anonymous and we have no idea what sex or gender anyone is

[Jessica.]

I prefer born woman. It takes the same amount of time to say, and I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am. Trans woman, born women, worth the same, but are different.Why don't you have the same attitude about every other Latin word that's used in speech? Bizarre.

[MB.]

I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am

Unless you've ever used the word female, that is

[Twosugars]

i think it very much depends what your social circle is. The term cis just isn't used in my social circle, and the only place i have ever seen it used is on this forum, which is pretty ironic really given that posters are anonymous and we have no idea what sex or gender anyone is

Do you call yourself caucasian in your circle?

It's the same type of a thing, only applies when needed for differentiation

[Oliver_W]

I can't believe people are refusing to accept being called what they are. In an ideal world it wouldn't matter if people were cis or not, but it does because people who aren't cis are often treated differently because of that fact. If you say you're not cis then it means you don't identify 100% with the gender you were assigned at birth.

What privilege do you think men have that transmen don't?

[Scarlett.]

And they call us snowflakes :laugh3:

[Jessica.]

And they call us snowflakes :laugh3::joker: It's ridiculous

[Jessica.]

A Christmas present for all who feel victimised by a certain Latin word beginning with the letter C :love:

https://puu.sh/ES9JF/0096882c4c.jpg

[Morgan.]

I prefer born woman. It takes the same amount of time to say, and I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am. Trans woman, born women, worth the same, but are different.

I think you’ll find born woman takes 0.87457692 more seconds to say than cis

[Oliver_W]

What privilege do you think men have that transmen don't?
A Christmas present for all who feel victimised by a certain Latin word beginning with the letter C :love:

https://puu.sh/ES9JF/0096882c4c.jpg

I'll answer the question for you as you don't seem to know :)

Cis men have an advantage over transmen because the former were raised with male socialisation; like it or not we the world is still a patriarchy, and people raised as men have an advantage. That's also why transwomen have privilege over women.

[Jessica.]

I'll answer the question for you as you don't seem to know :)



Cis men have an advantage over transmen because the former were raised with male socialisation; like it or not we the world is still a patriarchy, and people raised as men have an advantage. That's also why transwomen have privilege over women.Yeah, trans women are more privileged than me even though a lot of people won't even let them go to the bathroom that they feel more comfortable using in peace. Great point. :rolleyes:

[Oliver_W]

Yeah, trans women are more privileged than me even though a lot of people won't even let them go to the bathroom that they feel more comfortable using in peace. Great point. :rolleyes:

They have been socialised as males, and so have the first foot when it comes to advancing through the world. Transwomen are biologically male, and some women don't want any males in their own spaces. Would you say someone like Boris Johnson is lacking privilege because he can't use the same bathroom as you?

[Jessica.]

They have been socialised as males, and so have the first foot when it comes to advancing through the world. Transwomen are biologically male, and some women don't want any males in their own spaces. Would you say someone like Boris Johnson is lacking privilege because he can't use the same bathroom as you?If Boris felt more comfortable using the "ladies" bathroom then I'd have no issue with it and I think it would be silly to deny him of it.

[Elliot]

I'll answer the question for you as you don't seem to know :)

Cis men have an advantage over transmen because the former were raised with male socialisation; like it or not we the world is still a patriarchy, and people raised as men have an advantage. That's also why transwomen have privilege over women.

If a trans woman passes what’s stopping them from experiencing misogyny like a cis woman? Do you think people go around asking what chromosomes someone has before treating them like ****? And that’s excluding all the issues trans people deal with specifically..

[Swan]

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

I want address this post and make perfectly clear im not bothered if certain people want to label me, or other white males with 'cis or sis (i don't even know the right one now, some people are saying cis, others are saying sis)'. I was just interested how some of the terms can realistically work? It has nothing to do with being victim, although some people seem determined to read 'im a victim' into any post from a 'cis gender' to suit their own agenda.

I don't personally identify as 'cis' because imo it's just more unnecessary, and unneeded PC nonsense. That doesn't mean to say im against those who identify in whatever they see fitting for them.

Some terms are just silly though.

[Scarlett.]

I want address this post and make perfectly clear im not bothered if certain people want to label me, or other white males with 'cis or sis (i don't even know the right one now, some people are saying cis, others are saying sis)'. I was just interested how some of the terms can realistically work? It has nothing to do with being victim, although some people seem determined to read 'im a victim' into any post from a 'cis gender' to suit their own agenda.

I don't personally identify as 'cis' because imo it's just more unnecessary, and unneeded PC nonsense. That doesn't mean to say im against those who identify in whatever they see fitting for them.

Some terms are just silly though.

It's just a short term for "born as male/female" :shrug: I don't get how that's PC? It seems literally anything remotely related to transpeople is just labelled as PC.

Also, you know what, I'd love for some members on here to walk a week in a transperson's shoes and see how privileged they feel. Gotta love that feeling of the government wanting to limit your rights, that feeling of constant threat from bigotted people who'd love to beat you to a pulp for simply being who you want to be. Also, generally I see the idea that "transpeople want to be a man/woman" and actually, no, we just want to be ourselves, we don't want to copy another person's personality.

[Oliver_W]

If a trans woman passes what’s stopping them from experiencing misogyny like a cis woman? Do you think people go around asking what chromosomes someone has before treating them like ****? And that’s excluding all the issues trans people deal with specifically..

What forms of misogyny do you think they might face? It's hard to answer that question without knowing what you mean.

[Toy Soldier]

I keep finding myself being addressed as 'cis' in debates.... usually spat with venom


I'll take "things that didn't happen" for 500, Alex.

[Swan]

I'll take "things that didn't happen" for 500, Alex.

RIP that 500.

[Jessica.]

What forms of misogyny do you think they might face? It's hard to answer that question without knowing what you mean.I've been cat called, whistled at, shouted at, had people staring at my boobs, had boys commenting on my bum behind me while I was walking with my young niece and nephew, I've had guys touching my body when I didn't consent and I've seen jobs (especially here in Portugal) advertised for men only. I've had men assume I must be scared to be alone when my boyfriend works nights. That's not even the half of it. I'm not a particularly attractive woman, but that stuff happens because I'm a woman, no other labels. I have never whined about that stuff happening to me or blamed ALL men because other people have it even worse. It does make you feel like CRAP when it happens though. I can't even comprehend adding being trans to that.

[Ant.]

RIP that 500.

Who referred to you as "cis" though? Who prompted you to make this thread? :unsure:

[Ant.]

I've been cat called, whistled at, shouted at, had people staring at my boobs, had boys commenting on my bum behind me while I was walking with my young niece and nephew, I've had guys touching my body when I didn't consent and I've seen jobs (especially here in Portugal) advertised for men only. I've had men assume I must be scared to be alone when my boyfriend works nights. That's not even the half of it. I'm not a particularly attractive woman, but that stuff happens because I'm a woman, no other labels. I have never whined about that stuff happening to me or blamed ALL men because other people have it even worse. It does make you feel like CRAP when it happens though. I can't even comprehend adding being trans to that.

:hug: :love:

[Jessica.]

Who referred to you as "cis" though? Who prompted you to make this thread? :unsure:I replied to him and used the word, I didn't say anything negative about it.

[Cherie]

It's just a short term for "born as male/female" :shrug: I don't get how that's PC? It seems literally anything remotely related to transpeople is just labelled as PC.

Also, you know what, I'd love for some members on here to walk a week in a transperson's shoes and see how privileged they feel. Gotta love that feeling of the government wanting to limit your rights, that feeling of constant threat from bigotted people who'd love to beat you to a pulp for simply being who you want to be. Also, generally I see the idea that "transpeople want to be a man/woman" and actually, no, we just want to be ourselves, we don't want to copy another person's personality.

Genuine question would you rather just be called a woman though, why do we need to differentiate trans women from women because that is after all what you transitioned to be ?

[Ant.]

I replied to him and used the word, I didn't say anything negative about it.

yeah, you replied to him and used the word, but you didn't call him "cis", did you? :suspect:

[Scarlett.]

Genuine question would you rather just be called a woman though, why do we need to differentiate trans women from women because that is after all what you transitioned to be ?

I prefer to be referred to as a woman, really the "Trans____" terms are only used to differentiate when needed such as in discussions like these. Most of the time transpeople prefer to be refered to as the gender they transitioned to without the 'trans' moniker :bigsmile:

[Cherie]

I prefer to be referred to as a woman, really the "Trans____" terms are only used to differentiate when needed such as in discussions like these. Most of the time transpeople prefer to be refered to as the gender they transitioned to without the 'trans' moniker :bigsmile:

I thought so!

[Marsh.]

usually spat with venom

Why lie?

[Marsh.]

Yes, I don’t see the point.
I have never felt the urge to have to tell anyone in passing I am a woman, never mind yet another label, a cis woman.:shrug:

This is an odd comment to make.

Who said you have to introduce yourself as a woman or cis woman? The term woman already exists and you never took issue with that one?

[Cherie]

This is an odd comment to make.

Who said you have to introduce yourself as a woman or cis woman? The term woman already exists and you never took issue with that one?

Don't come for Mama Smudgie :oh:

[Marsh.]

Don't come for Mama Smudgie :oh:

Too late!

*holds her in headlock*

[Swan]

Why lie?

Lie? No there is definitely some kind of weird resentment from some.

[Ant.]

Lie? No there is definitely some kind of weird resentment from some.

who

[Swan]

who

Jessica

And i remember i made a comment about something on here a while back, and it was all 'typical cis white male' bs.

[montblanc]

it's literally a three letter word omg

[Swan]

it's literally a three letter word omg

I know, if people actually read my OP they'll see i'm not arsed if people wanna call me cis, whatever who cares. I made this thread wanting to explore how some of the other terms can legitimately work, like genderfluid for example. But of course people will jump on the smallest thing and see it as someone 'snowflaking' or 'playing the victim'..Seriously call me cis all you like, it ha no baring whatsoever.

[Ant.]

Jessica

And i remember i made a comment about something on here a while back, and it was all 'typical cis white male' bs.

can you find the comment(s) as to where she refers to you as "cis", though? She used it a few times, yes, but never to specifically refer to you

And can you explain how it was "spat with venom"?

[Ant.]

I know, if people actually read my OP they'll see i'm not arsed if people wanna call me cis, whatever who cares. I made this thread wanting to explore how some of the other terms can legitimately work, like genderfluid for example. But of course people will jump on the smallest thing and see it as someone 'snowflaking' or 'playing the victim'..Seriously call me cis all you like, it ha no baring whatsoever.

but you seem arsed by people using the other terms you linked to in the OP... :laugh2:

[Josy]

it's literally a three letter word omg

A 3 letter word that's completely pointless and just further adds to labelling which is odd since so many profess to be so against any kind of labelling these days.

I was born a woman and don't see the need to now describe myself in any way as a 'cis' woman. I'm a woman end of.

[Oliver_W]

I know, if people actually read my OP they'll see i'm not arsed if people wanna call me cis, whatever who cares. I made this thread wanting to explore how some of the other terms can legitimately work, like genderfluid for example. But of course people will jump on the smallest thing and see it as someone 'snowflaking' or 'playing the victim'..Seriously call me cis all you like, it ha no baring whatsoever.

lol no-one takes stuff like "genderfluid" seriously, it's fine.

But as others have said, cis is a descriptor. Women and transwomen are different, and in some cases people will only be referring to one of these - "cis women's issues" are different to "transwomen's issues", while "women's issues" can refer to both.

[Ant.]

A 3 letter word that's completely pointless and just further adds to labelling which is odd since so many profess to be so against any kind of labelling these days.

I was born a woman and don't see the need to now describe myself in any way as a 'cis' woman. I'm a woman end of.

you're right!! you don't need to. but it's just an shorter way to say "born a woman". if you don't wanna call yourself "cis" that's chill it's just a new-coined term that some people don't mind being called

[Josy]

you're right!! you don't need to. but it's just an shorter way to say "born a woman". if you don't wanna call yourself "cis" that's chill it's just a new-coined term that some people don't mind being called

And that's great that you can see it both ways and are fine with that, if only others thought the same way.

[Morgan.]

lol no-one takes stuff like "genderfluid" seriously, it's fine.

But as others have said, cis is a descriptor. Women and transwomen are different, and in some cases people will only be referring to one of these - "cis women's issues" are different to "transwomen's issues", while "women's issues" can refer to both.

Are you done being edgy yet lmao

[Barry.]

Didn't know cis was that.

[Ant.]

And that's great that you can see it both ways and are fine with that, if only others thought the same way.

tbf i refer to (some of) Oliver's point - i don't really see people 'forcing' cis as a label. just as a descriptor. like i don't really see anyone 'forcing' the label of 'cis' on people and it's only really brought up to compare and contrast issues between people who are trans and people who were born in the body they're comfortable with. i don't actively see people walking around saying "so you're a cis man?" or the whatnot. but my experience isn't universal

on the contrary i've seen some people (who would probably be against that notion) tell bisexual people that they're either "gay" or "straight" and can't be both - trying to force a label which doesn't correlate to their identity. Point being, it's a shame that people can't respect labels no matter the context or how unheard of the label is

[Swan]

but you seem arsed by people using the other terms you linked to in the OP... :laugh2:

Oh wow you're really digging aren't you lol. No i just wonder how something like gender fluid (which is pretty ridiculous imo) could even work in the real world?

I know stuff like that words in the uni/colleges/safe spaces bubble, but is far from practical in the real word, and is open to so many people abusing genderfluid 'ness;

[Ant.]

Oh wow you're really digging aren't you lol. No i just wonder how something like gender fluid (which is pretty ridiculous imo) could even work in the real world?

I know stuff like that words in the uni/colleges/safe spaces bubble, but is far from practical in the real word, and is open to some many people abusing genderfluid 'ness;

digging? how?

surely you should lead with questions such as "how would the term 'gender fluid' work in the real world?" rather than just saying "some terms" are complete overkill. I genuinely don't understand your OP. You say you're called cis, you looked it up, and found some terms which are 'perfectly reasonable' and some which are 'complete overkill'. how is anyone meant to understand what you created the thread for if that's your lead :suspect:

[Swan]

digging? how?

surely you should lead with questions such as "how would the term 'gender fluid' work in the real world?" rather than just saying "some terms" are complete overkill. I genuinely don't understand your OP. You say you're called cis, you looked it up, and found some terms which are 'perfectly reasonable' and some which are 'complete overkill'. how is anyone meant to understand what you created the thread for if that's your lead :suspect:

Well because the whole being labelled cis thing is what sparked my curiosity, i gave my thread some back story as to why i created the thread. I gave some context, i thought some might appreciate that more, apologies if you didn't :)

[Ant.]

Well because the whole being labelled cis thing is what sparked my curiosity, i gave my thread some back story as to why i created the thread. I gave some context, i thought some might appreciate that more, apologies if you didn't :)

I do appreciate the context.

But where is the purpose in the OP? That is what I was asking, apologies if that wasn't clear:)

[Ant.]

can you find the comment(s) as to where she refers to you as "cis", though? She used it a few times, yes, but never to specifically refer to you

And can you explain how it was "spat with venom"?

are u gonna reply to this or

[Swan]

are u gonna reply to this or

i can't remember what thread i was in, but it was probably a month or so ago, i'll go through some of my old posts, just for you :)

[Ant.]

i can't remember what thread i was in, but it was probably a month or so ago, i'll go through some of my old posts, just for you :)

You're too kind

[Swan]

You're too kind

I can't seem to find the cis comment (you win? but it was there), however 'typical straight white male' was a good one.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10612031&postcount=88

Edit - Apparently homophobia doesn't exist for straight black males, straight asian males etc...It' just typical what straight male.

[smudgie]

This is an odd comment to make.

Who said you have to introduce yourself as a woman or cis woman? The term woman already exists and you never took issue with that one?

To be fair, if I was going to introduce myself it would simply be by my first name.
If I said I was a cis woman in my circle of friends they wouldn’t have a clue what I was on about.
We are at an age where labels don’t count for a thing, we take things, especially people, on face value.
Live and let live.:shrug:

[Scarlett.]

It's meant to be used in debates related to gender, now general conversation, its hardly a hard concept to grasp

I'm ****ing six ciders drunk and I have no trouble understanding it lmfao

[Ant.]

I can't seem to find the cis comment (you win? but it was there), however 'typical straight white male' was a good one.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10612031&postcount=88

Edit - Apparently homophobia doesn't exist for straight black males, straight asian males etc...It' just typical what straight male.

That wasn't posted by Jessica :suspect:

I'm impressed if she did in fact say it and you remembered it from months ago tho!

[Swan]

That wasn't posted by Jessica :suspect:

I'm impressed if she did in fact say it and you remembered it from months ago tho!

No she referred to me as cis a few times in that recent thread - tibb and diversity

[Ant.]

No she referred to me as cis a few times in that recent thread - tibb and diversity

Can you find when though? Because I swear she didn't refer to you as cis

[Swan]

I replied to him and used the word, I didn't say anything negative about it.

yeah, you replied to him and used the word, but you didn't call him "cis", did you? :suspect:

Can you find when though? Because I swear she didn't refer to you as cis

Her not answering you, and in the post above admitting she did, and that's still not enough lol?

Anyway, this is beyond a waste of time now.

[Ant.]

Her not answering you, and in the post above admitting she did, and that's still not enough lol?

Anyway, this is beyond a waste of time now.

"I replied to him and used the word"

People replied to you and the response had "trans" in it. Didn't make you trans

[Ant.]

From the diversity thread:
"I don't agree with them because they are wrong. I am aware of the world around me and it's not the wonderland that so many people are making it out to be. Straight white cis men are the most privileged people in our countries and even though they face some issues of their own it is not because they are straight white cis men or spotty or ugly. "
(Can't directly quote since it's locked but have a look yourself)

And in this thread, Jessica explains why she used "cis" in conversation:

I used that term while replying to some of your post because there happens to be a lot of trans men in the world who are straight and white and not gay but don't have the same privilege as a cis guy.

Am I missing something?

[Marsh.]

To be fair, if I was going to introduce myself it would simply be by my first name.
If I said I was a cis woman in my circle of friends they wouldn’t have a clue what I was on about.
We are at an age where labels don’t count for a thing, we take things, especially people, on face value.
Live and let live.:shrug:

But that's my point. Forget about the 'cis' thing for a minute. You wouldn't introduce yourself as a 'woman' in your circle of friends let alone 'cis woman' so it's really not especially relevant.

There are many names/labels for things/people etc in this world that are only relevant at certain times/in certain discussions etc and that's literally all it is. A distinction when discussing trans topics.

[Ammi]

...I don’t ever recall being referred to as cis in any debate...or seeing anyone else referred to as such...it would surely only be used as a descriptor if a specific definition was in context to what was being said...I wouldn’t say it would be very widely used as a general...

[smudgie]

But that's my point. Forget about the 'cis' thing for a minute. You wouldn't introduce yourself as a 'woman' in your circle of friends let alone 'cis woman' so it's really not especially relevant.

There are many names/labels for things/people etc in this world that are only relevant at certain times/in certain discussions etc and that's literally all it is. A distinction when discussing trans topics.

I think we have the same point, but a crossing of wires.
If you have transitioned to a women then I don’t feel the need to make a distinction.
If Fred became Freda I wouldn’t refer to her as Trans or woman, just Freda.:shrug:

[Marsh.]

I think we have the same point, but a crossing of wires.
If you have transitioned to a women then I don’t feel the need to make a distinction.
If Fred became Freda I wouldn’t refer to her as Trans or woman, just Freda.:shrug:

That's not the point. We're discussing terms which distinguish when it's needed. Not in everyday use, but in a specific debate/discussion.

I'm sure you wouldn't refer to Fred/Freda as "human" in everyday parlance, and yet the word is there when it is useful in certain discussions.

[smudgie]

That's not the point. We're discussing terms which distinguish when it's needed. Not in everyday use, but in a specific debate/discussion.

I'm sure you wouldn't refer to Fred/Freda as "human" in everyday parlance, and yet the word is there when it is useful in certain discussions.

I don’t have any problem with the use of any words in a specific debate.
Just not something I would encounter other than on here.

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I don’t have any problem with the use of any words in a specific debate.
Just not something I would encounter other than on here.

which indirectly is the point the OP was making. A term was being used in an attempt to classify him in a group to make a point rather than add value to the debate.

[Ammi]

...that isn’t what happened though, Bots...what was actually said in another thread has already been established and it wasn’t used to classify anyone and it did have a value to what was being debated...