View Full Version : Don't F--k with Cats: Hunting an Internet Killer (Netflix)
Firewire
28-12-2019, 12:01 AM
I just started watching this, it's a three-part true crime documentary series based around the killings of Luka Magnotta.
I don't want to say too much in case people aren't familiar with it (I know it's true crime but maybe some want to go in blind).
Essentially it has interviews with online vigilantes who came together after a video of a man killing two cats appeared online in 2010. They formed a group to try and discover the man's identity but as they get closer to him it gets more and more disturbing.
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Firewire
28-12-2019, 12:01 AM
I've only watched episode 1 so far but it's incredibly well-made.
Shaun
28-12-2019, 02:44 AM
I was gonna perch this. Does it show anything graphic though?
Amy Jade
28-12-2019, 02:47 AM
I was gonna perch this. Does it show anything graphic though?
No nothing. They tell you what happens and you hear noises (but not cries of pain of any animals) but it is not shown.
Amy Jade
28-12-2019, 02:48 AM
I've only watched episode 1 so far but it's incredibly well-made.
Wait till you meet his mother...
Jessica.
02-01-2020, 06:07 PM
Oh my god, I just finished it. Horrific. The mother is insane too.
RIP Jun Lin
...I watched this...I hadn’t known about the story, about his existence...why did people keep watching his vids, I don’t understand...it felt like he had his ‘audience’...and if he hadn’t, would he still have done it..?...it’s all so horrendous, it was hard to process...Jun Lin and his poor, poor family...:sad:...
...I just don’t understand why people watched...
Jessica.
03-01-2020, 09:57 AM
I think they watched because it was so shocking, people loved being shocked by things back then. I watched things in 2010 that I regret seeing too. I was 17 and everyone else was doing it. It was just "the thing" at the time. You start off seeing something strange or weird, then someone sends you something worse and then it escalates until you're watching videos like that. I never went that far, I didn't watch anything involving gore/death but I know people who did and it really affected them.
Shaun
06-01-2020, 04:39 AM
Just watched the first episode and I literally felt a shiver run down my spine when the clip was uploaded of him walking through Dianna's workplace (not sure how you spell her name, but the iconic queen with the Bowie stripe on a pug's face tattoo).
Jessica.
06-01-2020, 06:15 AM
Just watched the first episode and I literally felt a shiver run down my spine when the clip was uploaded of him walking through Dianna's workplace (not sure how you spell her name, but the iconic queen with the Bowie stripe on a pug's face tattoo).That part was insane!
...but as the group started to spiral with thousands and thousands of members...why did they never contact the police..?...the police would have had access to methods that they didn’t have...the police may not have acted but wasn’t it worth a try...?...it’s like they became addicted to the ‘game’ of it...(..apart from the obvious...)...there was so much about this that I found disturbing...
Morgan.
06-01-2020, 10:00 AM
...but as the group started to spiral with thousands and thousands of members...why did they never contact the police..?...the police would have had access to methods that they didn’t have...the police may not have acted but wasn’t it worth a try...?...it’s like they became addicted to the ‘game’ of it...(..apart from the obvious...)...there was so much about this that I found disturbing...
I think they had contacted the police but they didn’t listen. At the end, when he killed someone, the interviewees said ‘you should’ve listened’, directed at the police.
I think they had contacted the police but they didn’t listen. At the end, when he killed someone, the interviewees said ‘you should’ve listened’, directed at the police.
...ahhhh, I must have missed that in the beginning, that they had contacted the police...I found so much about this that was terrifying...like when the group had targeted the wrong person..and he then took his own life...:sad:..
...to me, the ‘game’ and feeling a part of this game...was becoming more important than anything else...
Morgan.
06-01-2020, 10:07 AM
...ahhhh, I must have missed that in the beginning, that they had contacted the police...I found so much about this that was terrifying...like when the group had targeted the wrong person..and he then took his own life...:sad:..
There’s not much the police could’ve done with no a actual murder victim, and evidence that only the group had compiled. In their eyes, that evidence is unreliable.
There’s not much the police could’ve done with no a actual murder victim, and evidence that only the group had compiled. In their eyes, that evidence is unreliable.
...but their involvement may have stopped the Jamesey guy from being targeted ...they may have been able to verify that he was a troll who had mental issues, but not the guy that they thought...and that could have prevented his suicide...possibly...
...I guess as she said...no one knows..(..or ever will know..)..whether he killed himself because of the ‘witch hunt’ against him...whether that directly caused a trigger...
...’you start to become the very thing that you fight’...does have a very disturbing aspect to it...
Headie
06-01-2020, 05:58 PM
I'm only near the end of the first episode but this Luca Magnotta thing seriously reminds me of that BradTheLadLong creep that would create fake accounts to get himself in tv lineup rumours...
LaLaLand
06-01-2020, 06:01 PM
Does this actually show the video of him and the cats? Because I really want to watch this but if that's shown I can't. It'll upset me.
Crimson Dynamo
06-01-2020, 06:05 PM
cant wait to watch this
Does this actually show the video of him and the cats? Because I really want to watch this but if that's shown I can't. It'll upset me.
...no, it doesn’t show much of the actual vids, LaLa...I don’t know if you’ll find it upsetting, it’s upset me a lot but that’s probably just me...
I'm only near the end of the first episode but this Luca Magnotta thing seriously reminds me of that BradTheLadLong creep that would create fake accounts to get himself in tv lineup rumours...
...I actually don’t know anything about Bradtheladlong...but I am aware of the name from here...
Morgan.
06-01-2020, 06:55 PM
Does this actually show the video of him and the cats? Because I really want to watch this but if that's shown I can't. It'll upset me.
They show parts of the video and sound but they don’t actually air the killings. They show him petting the cats etc but no violence. And they show the cats corpses once but briefly.
Babayaro.
06-01-2020, 10:36 PM
watched ep1 and ****ing hell :skull:
Truly terrifying but so, so well made.
Babayaro.
06-01-2020, 10:36 PM
On to episode 2!
Shaun
07-01-2020, 04:44 AM
:unsure: the ending having a go at people for watching. You can't make a massive Netflix programme about something and then absolve yourself of your perceived immorality about the whole project, love.
I knew nothing about the case prior to watching and it's pretty shocking in all honesty. Sad, frightening, creepy and completely unusual.
I appreciate the message of the documentary (and the ending) in some respect: social media allowing a platform for the most depraved content to be broadcast to an audience, the idea of someone like Magnotta being 'fed' attention and it fueling his desires... but I think it was a little glib to frame it so "and YOU'RE TO BLAME, TOO" at the end since... I mean... look at the platform you're using, dears. I don't see a correlation between one serial killer obsessed with films, modeling and his own fan club and "social media caused it", because there've been many other cults in the past that allowed for a killer to feel like they got attention (the Manson cult, the Zodiac killer, etc - the latter in particular was always going to toy with the police and anyone investigating, because it was a game to that perpetrator(s). This "are we to blame?" rhetoric at the end seems a little... self-aggrandizing, like... we want to make a documentary about a famous criminal, but also want to make it seem like we have a point to make.
I feel they could've gone at it from the angle of criticising the presence of sites like that "gore" website where the videos of his crimes were hosted, or Liveleak, or other such sites, since... it's a far more obvious link between criminal behaviour and sharing violent, disgusting images and content with the world. But this was pretty much glossed over... perhaps because those involved in hunting Magnotta down were involved with such sites?
Shaun
07-01-2020, 04:57 AM
Completely gloss over the fact that their group also drove someone to kill themselves, as well :unsure:
...there was quite a bit that was glossed over, I thought...like the police involvement...it was only fleetingly mentioned that the police had been informed...so it felt a little like a ‘game’...but they had informed the police, jurisdiction was obviously an issue...I felt a little that when the vid of Jun Lin was posted...yes, there was shock and terror etc...but also a little element of...’I told them, I TOLD THEM and LOOK...’...which was taking a more centre stage to a human being brutally killed ...
Completely gloss over the fact that their group also drove someone to kill themselves, as well :unsure:
...yeah, that was difficult...the guy who killed himself...
...but I guess with something like this, the focus will always be on the macabre of the killer Luka Magnotta and uniqueness of the story...it’s up to us as viewers to take time out to reflect on all of the aspects...and it does stay in your head for quite some time...
Shaun
07-01-2020, 05:07 AM
...there was quite a bit that was glossed over, I thought...like the police involvement...it was only fleetingly mentioned that the police had been informed...so it felt a little like a ‘game’...but they had informed the police, jurisdiction was obviously an issue...I felt a little that when the vid of Jun Lin was posted...yes, there was shock and terror etc...but also a little element of...’I told them, I TOLD THEM and LOOK...’...which was taking a more centre stage to a human being brutally killed ...
Apparently their contact with the police was "an email" (to some detective who was on vacation at the time). I would like to think that if I had tracked someone down who was killing animals and uploading it to the internet, I, or one of the people in that group, would've been a little more persistent than "one email".
The more I think about it I feel the documentary's been made to absolve the group of their feelings of guilt. Because let's face it: Magnotta's arrest was done with pretty much no involvement from them. He wasn't even found guilty of the cat/dog crimes. He left behind a ridiculous crime scene and every piece of incriminating evidence he could've done (perhaps because he wanted, or a part of his mind wanted, to be caught), was using his own name abroad in booking hotels... he would've been caught without this group's work. And the more I consider this, the more I find myself appalled by the documentary's tone; that it was some supposed vigilante Facebook group that "knew what he was going to do" but... did next to nothing in actually stopping him. Because it's easier to blame the police and say they weren't taken seriously.
And the persistent sense of gratification they get from making connections to his online presence and what certain aspects of the crime involved (the names of his aliases, the films he was inspired by, the tracking down of specific streetlights) just smacks of the popcorn-investigation the documentary so dismissively criticises.
Wizard.
07-01-2020, 05:11 AM
This was so twisted and shocking.
There’s a Baudi Moovin Fanclub group on Facebook and Deanna has been answering a load of questions on there.
For example there were two men in the video, it’s not Jun Lin tied up in the beginning but some other guy then it splices to Jun Lin already dead and Luka stabbing him.
Apparently their contact with the police was "an email" (to some detective who was on vacation at the time). I would like to think that if I had tracked someone down who was killing animals and uploading it to the internet, I, or one of the people in that group, would've been a little more persistent than "one email".
The more I think about it I feel the documentary's been made to absolve the group of their feelings of guilt. Because let's face it: Magnotta's arrest was done with pretty much no involvement from them. He wasn't even found guilty of the cat/dog crimes. He left behind a ridiculous crime scene and every piece of incriminating evidence he could've done (perhaps because he wanted, or a part of his mind wanted, to be caught), was using his own name abroad in booking hotels... he would've been caught without this group's work. And the more I consider this, the more I find myself appalled by the documentary's tone; that it was some supposed vigilante Facebook group that "knew what he was going to do" but... did next to nothing in actually stopping him. Because it's easier to blame the police and say they weren't taken seriously.
...I have to say that the lack of police involvement, didn’t sit right with me from the off either...that it all felt more like it was becoming an Internet game to some in the group...for others, they were just piling their hate on top of his...we’re going to do this to you/we’re going to do that to you etc...when that older guy got the a alert in the middle of the nigh5 or early hours of the morning..?...it almost felt like he was feeling excitement...this was the moment he had been waiting for...
...but then the whole ‘cat and mouse game’ thing was what Luka had skilfully and sickeningly created...build it and they will come, is so true, sadly...
...when she said that there would be more vids to come, like with the cat vids...that she knew that wouldn’t be the end...it felt more than just an acceptance, it almost felt like the thrill of an anticipation...obviously no more came because he was stopped...but the reactions being evoked with this group..(..even the level headed ones..)...was very disturbing...
i switched this off after 5 mins and put it firmly in the "not for me" category
Babayaro.
07-01-2020, 04:44 PM
This was a really good, gripping watch. But I have to agree with Ammi and Shaun's views on it.
Niamh.
09-01-2020, 09:13 AM
Apparently their contact with the police was "an email" (to some detective who was on vacation at the time). I would like to think that if I had tracked someone down who was killing animals and uploading it to the internet, I, or one of the people in that group, would've been a little more persistent than "one email".
The more I think about it I feel the documentary's been made to absolve the group of their feelings of guilt. Because let's face it: Magnotta's arrest was done with pretty much no involvement from them. He wasn't even found guilty of the cat/dog crimes. He left behind a ridiculous crime scene and every piece of incriminating evidence he could've done (perhaps because he wanted, or a part of his mind wanted, to be caught), was using his own name abroad in booking hotels... he would've been caught without this group's work. And the more I consider this, the more I find myself appalled by the documentary's tone; that it was some supposed vigilante Facebook group that "knew what he was going to do" but... did next to nothing in actually stopping him. Because it's easier to blame the police and say they weren't taken seriously.
And the persistent sense of gratification they get from making connections to his online presence and what certain aspects of the crime involved (the names of his aliases, the films he was inspired by, the tracking down of specific streetlights) just smacks of the popcorn-investigation the documentary so dismissively criticises.
No they properly contacted the canadian Police after the cat killings when they figured out where he lived, the Cop looked into it and said that Luka had moved to Russia
I did find the group digging that deep a bit off as well tbh, I think people way over step the line online but also think that the Internet need proper policing as well so if videos like animal torture killing pop up they have a dedicated team who will look into it
I had never heard of this case either which I found odd considering how unusual and warped it was, I would have thought it would have been all over the news
I did also get kind of a fright at the end when Baudi turns and says you're guilty too :laugh:
Oh also I spent all 3 episodes wondering if it was a mockumentary or real but I didn't want to google in case it was real and I got spoilers
Watched this last night. What a completely warped individual. I was in shock when they showed him imitating Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct during his police interrogation. And his mum is a weirdo as well. He killed a human being and like 6 animals graphically on camera and she calls them all stalkers and excessive? :umm2: The two who caught him should be given medals :clap1:
I thought they said the police didn’t wanna know about their Facebook group until he killed Jun Lin? By which point most of the group’s work was done?
I feel stupid now for thinking John and Baudi were the good guys Cos I feel like something’s gone right over my head.
Niamh.
09-01-2020, 09:58 AM
Watched this last night. What a completely warped individual. I was in shock when they showed him imitating Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct during his police interrogation. And his mum is a weirdo as well. He killed a human being and like 6 animals graphically on camera and she calls them all stalkers and excessive? :umm2: The two who caught him should be given medals :clap1:
Also, she obviously knew about the cat videos as well
Niamh.
09-01-2020, 10:03 AM
I feel stupid now for thinking John and Baudi were the good guys Cos I feel like something’s gone right over my head.
No I don't think it went over your head, I'm in two minds about it. I think their intentions were good, I think the problem is that because the internet is so badly policed and crimes like animal torture don't seem to be taken seriously and there is major jurisdiction problems because the internet isn't a country that creeps like Luka can get away with it (as long as he doesn't move on to humans I guess) which is wrong and infuriating so i see why they pursued him. the problem is mob mentality can take over when more people join in and it's so easy to get it wrong online as well and a casualty of that may have been Jamsey
Watched this last night. What a completely warped individual. I was in shock when they showed him imitating Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct during his police interrogation. And his mum is a weirdo as well. He killed a human being and like 6 animals graphically on camera and she calls them all stalkers and excessive? :umm2: The two who caught him should be given medals :clap1:
...(..I don’t know if it’s true..)...but I read that his mum was an obsessive about some stuff ...and as a child, she put a pet rabbit of his outside and the rabbit froze to death...:sad:...his dad was diagnosed with schizophrenia ...
Withano
10-01-2020, 01:41 AM
Ive watched up to the bit where he talks about Manny. Love a twist, probs won’t watch the rest - I think I can guess the rest
Jessica.
10-01-2020, 06:06 AM
Watch it!!
AnnieK
11-01-2020, 07:21 AM
I watched the first two eps last night....will watch the final one tonight.
Morgan.
11-01-2020, 07:25 AM
Also, she obviously knew about the cat videos as well
Yep, when she was recalling the police arriving, the first thing she said to them was ‘is this about the cat videos?’
...I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts on it, Annie...
Headie
11-01-2020, 11:01 AM
Yep, when she was recalling the police arriving, the first thing she said to them was ‘is this about the cat videos?’
Whilst I do think she 100% knew it was him, part of me initially thought he had used his multiple fake accounts to bombard her with ‘hate mail’ “framing” him for the cat murders so she’d ask him and he’d end up denying it and saying someone/Manny was after him and targeting him/framing him. He seemed to love the attention so I wouldn’t put it past him.
Jessica.
11-01-2020, 11:11 AM
Whilst I do think she 100% knew it was him, part of me initially thought he had used his multiple fake accounts to bombard her with ‘hate mail’ “framing” him for the cat murders so she’d ask him and he’d end up denying it and saying someone/Manny was after him and targeting him/framing him. He seemed to love the attention so I wouldn’t put it past him.That's highly plausible actually!
Firewire
11-01-2020, 12:05 PM
Did anyone work out who the person was that told the group his name to start with?
Was that Luka telling on himself? :think:
Jessica.
11-01-2020, 12:07 PM
Did anyone work out who the person was that told the group his name to start with?
Was that Luka telling on himself? :think:It seemed like it was him tbh
GiRTh
29-01-2020, 02:31 PM
Just started watching this.:amazed:
...I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts, Girth...oh also...when you’ve finished watching it, could you please watch Unbelievable as well...:laugh:..
Niamh.
29-01-2020, 02:46 PM
...I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts, Girth...oh also...when you’ve finished watching it, could you please watch Unbelievable as well...:laugh:..
seconded
...I think that means it’s just become law, Girth...you’re going to have to watch it pretty soon, we’re not known for our patience, you know...
GiRTh
29-01-2020, 02:49 PM
OK Will do.:blush:
GiRTh
29-01-2020, 03:01 PM
Has anyone seen Mindhunter?
There no thread for it. Watched it about three months ago, its very good.
Niamh.
29-01-2020, 03:04 PM
Has anyone seen Mindhunter?
There no thread for it. Watched it about three months ago, its very good.
I watched the first series of it which was good but I never went back to it, I just kind of forgot about it
GiRTh
29-01-2020, 03:07 PM
I watched the first series of it which was good but I never went back to it, I just kind of forgot about itSecond series is probably better. I just found it fascinating some of the naive interview techniques they used to use before behavioral science became more mainstream. The acting too was so good in both seasons especially from the serial killers.
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