Honors list hero

[Kizzy]

My favourite quote from a recipient of the new years honours.

Holocaust survivors Mindu Hornick, 90, and John Paul Hajdu, 82, are also both honoured with MBEs for their work in education and commemoration.

Describing the award as “an absolute surprise”, Ms Hornick said: “With everything that is going on in the world today – with Islamophobia, antisemitism and other unacceptable things that are happening – I think it is important to educate young people.”

Well said Ms Hornick! ! Bless you.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/new-years-honours-2019-elton-john-sam-mendes-olivia-newton-john-queen-a9261696.html

[arista]

Yes they deserve the award
for sure

[Crimson Dynamo]

what islamaphobia?

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/15862/production/_110326188_final-weekend-i-28-12-19-00.jpg

[Kizzy]

what islamaphobia?

Google is your friend.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Google is your friend.
unless i know in what country and in what area it isnt im afraid

I checked Scotland and its not a problem here

[Nicky91]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia_in_the_United_Kingdom

here you go

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia_in_the_United_Kingdom

here you go

its just a wiki page describing the odd event but its not really evidence that its a problem?

1380 fatalities and injuries caused by electrical fires in the UK every year. Average of 27 a week and 4 a day.

that is a problem worth worrying about imo

[Oliver_W]

Google is your friend.

Don't you have any opinions of your own? What makes you think Islamophobia is prevalent?

[Kizzy]

unless i know in what country and in what area it isnt im afraid

I checked Scotland and its not a problem here

Who said it was?...

[Kizzy]

Don't you have any opinions of your own? What makes you think Islamophobia is prevalent?

Don't you have any opinions of your own that you demand to know mine ... :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't you have any opinions of your own that you demand to know mine ... :/

bloody hell Kizzy you started this thread and now you dont want to talk about it to any member?

how does that work?

[Marsh.]

They clearly say in the quote "in the world today".

Basically illustrating how important education is to stamp out ignorance.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They clearly say in the quote "in the world today".

Basically illustrating how important education is to stamp out ignorance.

and you think that "with everything going on in the world today"

Islamophobia is a thing you would highlight?

poor greta

[Marsh.]

and you think that "with everything going on in the world today"

Islamophobia is a thing you would highlight?

poor greta

When she's making a specific point about hatred and bigotry... you know being a holocaust survivor I imagine her work focuses heavily on those issues.

[Crimson Dynamo]

When she's making a specific point about hatred and bigotry... you know being a holocaust survivor I imagine her work focuses heavily on those issues.

Yes i get the anti-Semitism bit i just found the other one a bit odd but hey ho

[Marsh.]

Yes i get the anti-Semitism bit i just found the other one a bit odd but hey ho

What? Jews are not the only group to experience prejudice.

Just because you couldn't give a sh*t about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Oliver_W]

Don't you have any opinions of your own that you demand to know mine ... :/

Indeed I do - my opinion is that Islamophobia is currently not a big problem, as there's no reason to think it is :shrug: If you disagree, I'm sure there are events and other reasons for you to think so?

[Marsh.]

Oliver's back with his rose tinted world view where hatred, bigotry, homophobia, racism etc don't exist because his neighbour's black and drives a nice car. Lovely.

[Oliver_W]

Oliver's back with his rose tinted world view where hatred, bigotry, homophobia, racism etc don't exist because his neighbour's black and drives a nice car. Lovely.

I've never said they don't exist :shrug: individual bigots aren't going to evaporate any time soon. But no form of bigotry is currently big enough to be a societal problem (in the UK)

Kizzy seems to take things at face value, and just assume these problems exist with no real reasoning.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What? Jews are not the only group to experience prejudice.

Just because you couldn't give a sh*t about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

i think "suffer prejudice" is a little off the mark regarding jewish people and what they have endured in living memory.

jews are a race of people. Islam is a collection of bronze aged middle eastern ideas

[Kizzy]

bloody hell Kizzy you started this thread and now you dont want to talk about it to any member?

how does that work?

Talk away... I didn't start a thread to be subjected to an inquisition.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Talk away... I didn't start a thread to be subjected to an inquisition.

well a member asking you a question is hardly and inquisition



why did you post this thread?

its very odd

[Kizzy]

Indeed I do - my opinion is that Islamophobia is currently not a big problem, as there's no reason to think it is :shrug: If you disagree, I'm sure there are events and other reasons for you to think so?

I'm sure you must be wondering why 90yr old Ms Hornick Holocaust survivor thinks it is an issue...

[Oliver_W]

I'm sure you must be wondering why 90yr old Ms Hornick Holocaust survivor thinks it is an issue...

She's not the one I was asking :shrug: do you agree with her?

[Marsh.]

i think "suffer prejudice" is a little off the mark regarding jewish people and what they have endured in living memory.

jews are a race of people. Islam is a collection of bronze aged middle eastern ideas

I didn't use the word "suffer".

Regardless of what you think of Islam, that's your excuse for disregarding millions of people as deserving of abuse. Says more about you really.

[Denver]

Apparently they were gonna recognised the 4 men who were heroes during the latest terrorist attack but thought it was too soon.

They are also refusing to recognise people who helped during grenfell until the enquiry is over

[Oliver_W]

Apparently they were gonna recognised the 4 men who were heroes during the latest terrorist attack but thought it was too soon.

They are also refusing to recognise people who helped during grenfell until the enquiry is over

What the heck, both groups of people should have been honoured - what's more Knightly than taking down a terrorist?!

As for Grenfell, whose ever fault it was doesn't affect the heroism of those who helped.

[Marsh.]

What the heck, both groups of people should have been honoured - what's more Knightly than taking down a terrorist?!

As for Grenfell, whose ever fault it was doesn't affect the heroism of those who helped.

It's better to wait for the conclusion and then everyone who deserves to can be honoured together rather than some being left off one year due the ongoing enquiry.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I didn't use the word "suffer".

Regardless of what you think of Islam, that's your excuse for disregarding millions of people as deserving of abuse. Says more about you really.

Nope it actually says more about you and you don't know it..

[Marsh.]

Nope it actually says more about you and you don't know it..

Yes. LT justifying the abuse of one section of society says loads about me.

Good one. :thumbs:

[Kizzy]

I've never said they don't exist :shrug: individual bigots aren't going to evaporate any time soon. But no form of bigotry is currently big enough to be a societal problem (in the UK)

Kizzy seems to take things at face value, and just assume these problems exist with no real reasoning.

I take things at face value Care to explain what?
My posting these comments from this wise old person appears to be making some people very uncomfortable. .. I can't think why.

[Kizzy]

She's not the one I was asking :shrug: do you agree with her?

Of course I agree with her, don't you think it's important to educate young people?