Top schools defend rejecting bursary for white boys

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Two top English private schools have defended their decision not to accept a benefactor's offer of scholarships for disadvantaged white boys.

Winchester and Dulwich colleges have declined the offer - reported to be worth over £1m - by a former pupil from both, Professor Sir Bryan Thwaites.

The schools say they do not want to put ethnic restrictions on who can benefit from financial help.

Sir Bryan says he is now looking for state schools to accept his offer.

The philanthropist, who is 96 and plans to leave the funds in his will, attended Dulwich until the start of the Second World War, and then went on to Winchester.

His parents could not have afforded the fees for him and his brother without the aid of scholarships.

Sir Bryan says he wants to help white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds because they perform worse at school than their counterparts from other ethnic groups.

Sir Bryan told the Times newspaper that this was why he wanted to make a leading education available to others and believed the institutions were wrong to reject his offer on the basis that it was based on race.

He told the Times: "I have done a lot for both schools over the years and have been closely involved in them.

"All the more, therefore, do I feel that both schools have made a strategic mistake in their interpretation of legislation."

Trevor Phillips, the former chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said the Equality Act of 2010 was not designed to favour people of colour, but to ensure equality.

He told the Times that Sir Bryan's proposal simply showed he "wanted to do the right thing by families who need support".

In August last year, the rapper Stormzy announced he would fund two black British students to go to the University of Cambridge.

The star said there was "a whole bunch of academically brilliant, excellent students" who needed an incentive to aim for top universities.

In his single, Crown, Stormzy addressed some of the negative reaction to his decision to offer the scholarships, rapping that it is not "anti-white, it's pro-black".

Winchester, a boarding school which charges £13,903 per term, and Dulwich, which charges £7,082 a term for day boys and £14,782 for a term of full boarding, are among the most exclusive schools in England.

At Dulwich, there are currently 191 pupils from Year 3 to Year 13 who are in receipt of a means-tested bursary, the school said.

"The college's ambition is for 50% of pupils at Dulwich to be in receipt of fee relief through scholarships and, increasingly, means-tested bursaries. This figure is currently 30%," it said in a statement.

A spokesman for Winchester College said: "The school, in common with many universities, has outreach schemes aimed at carefully selected and under-represented communities. These schemes operate successfully and are regularly reviewed.

"The school will continue to discuss with benefactors the effective delivery of their intentions.

"But the trustees are clear, having consulted widely, that acceptance of a bequest of this nature would neither be in the interests of the school as a charity, nor the specific interests of those it aims to support through its work.

"Notwithstanding legal exceptions to the relevant legislation, the school does not see how discrimination on grounds of a boy's colour could ever be compatible with its values."

Master of Dulwich College, Dr Joe Spence, said: "We are extremely grateful to the many benefactors who support the College's bursary fund. Their generosity means we are able to offer academically able boys a place at Dulwich College.

"I am, however, resistant to awards made with any ethnic or religious criteria. Bursaries are an engine of social mobility, and they should be available to all who pass our entrance examinations, irrespective of their background."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50947271
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[user104658]

I don't think it should be OK for donors to specify but to simplify I'd make that universal tbh. People can make a donation to a school's scholarship fund but then it's up to the school to allocate those funds at their discretion... none of the "I'll only donate if it goes to _____" business.

[Beso]

I think the schools or colleges should stay out of someone's personal decision..if people want thier money to be donated to certain individuals I don't see how that should be an issue for the college..they are after all there to further children's education and someone's personal preference to where or who gets thier money shouldn't be an issue as the college should only see it as an opportunity to give the selected child a better and further education.

[Oliver_W]

Bit pathetic tbh.

Working class white boys are the bottom of the pile these days, as they're not only held back by lack of money, but they're the only group who doesn't get help from "diversity" schemes, so why shouldn't they get bursaries.

[Jigs]

As a white person who benefited hugely from a bursary during my education I don't agree with this whatsoever.

[Tom4784]

I don't see the point in drawing a comparison between this and Stormzy. Prestigious universities are typically not diverse and he's not throwing out a bursary that denies service to anyone, he's chosen to send two people to university. Educational bursaries are not the same thing.

I'm glad they rejected his offer, Bursaries should be dependant on talent and nothing more.

[Kizzy]

Ethically and morally this was the right decision.

[Oliver_W]

Ethically and morally this was the right decision.

Because... ?

[Kizzy]

Because... ?

Because it's not a request rooted in racism...
I shouldn't have to explain that but I'm forgetting where I am obviously.

[arista]

The 96 year old is not Dead yet
so its just a debate.


He can change his will.

[Oliver_W]

Because it's not a request rooted in racism...
I shouldn't have to explain that but I'm forgetting where I am obviously.
The philanthropist, who is 96 and plans to leave the funds in his will, attended Dulwich until the start of the Second World War, and then went on to Winchester.

His parents could not have afforded the fees for him and his brother without the aid of scholarships.

Sir Bryan says he wants to help white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds because they perform worse at school than their counterparts from other ethnic groups.
Sounds fair to me :shrug: he just wants to help a disadvantaged group of people who don't get much help.

[Kizzy]

The philanthropist, who is 96 and plans to leave the funds in his will, attended Dulwich until the start of the Second World War, and then went on to Winchester.

His parents could not have afforded the fees for him and his brother without the aid of scholarships.

Sir Bryan says he wants to help white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds because they perform worse at school than their counterparts from other ethnic groups.
Sounds fair to me :shrug: he just wants to help a disadvantaged group of people who don't get much help.

That's not true.... according to sociological perspective afro Caribbean boys perform poorest in educational attainment.

[Oliver_W]

That's not true.... according to sociological perspective afro Caribbean boys perform poorest in educational attainment.

With the exception of Roma and Traveller children, white working-class boys perform the worst of any group in British schools (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/07/british-education-failure-white-working-class)
So I guess that sociological perspective is wrong.

[Kizzy]

With the exception of Roma and Traveller children, white working-class boys perform the worst of any group in British schools (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/07/british-education-failure-white-working-class)
So I guess that sociological perspective is wrong.

Yes

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest

[Oliver_W]

Yes

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest

Ah I guess there's been a recent improvement :)

[Cherie]

Just heard this debated on LBC and Shelia Fogarty trotted out some report that puts black and white boys receiving free school dinners more or less equal when it comes to attainment. The Chinese and Asian boys are way ahead.

It’s this guys money and he can do with it as he wishes, I am sure someone will take him up on it

[The Slim Reaper]

Don't be a honky if you don't wanna be thick like a donkey

[Oliver_W]

Just heard this debated on LBC and Shelia Fogarty trotted out some report that puts black and white boys receiving free school dinners more or less equal when it comes to attainment. The Chinese and Asian boys are way ahead.

It’s this guys money and he can do with it as he wishes, I am sure someone will take him up on it
Yeah there's only a percentage or so difference between the two groups, but only one seems to get sympathy or help up the ladder...

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Just heard this debated on LBC and Shelia Fogarty trotted out some report that puts black and white boys receiving free school dinners more or less equal when it comes to attainment. The Chinese and Asian boys are way ahead.

It’s this guys money and he can do with it as he wishes, I am sure someone will take him up on it

Sure they will I dont doubt that, racist attitudes don't bother everyone do they? Some institution will bite his lily white hand off for it.

[Tom4784]

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Speaking as someone who is white, male and working class, this man is fragility embodied.

[Tom4784]

'White privilege is complete nonsense'

Says the white man.

[Kizzy]

Yeah there's only a percentage or so difference between the two groups, but only one seems to get sympathy or help up the ladder...

What's a percentage point in terms of pupil numbers?...

You are deliberately skewing the point, disadvantaged children all deserve an equal chance and a help up the ladder based on merit alone.

Why is that such a taboo concept?...

[Oliver_W]

disadvantaged children all deserve an equal chance and a help up the ladder based on merit alone.


I agree, and unless all financial help based on ethnicity is scrapped, there should be something for wgite disadvantaged pupils.

[Cherie]

Sure they will I dont doubt that, racist attitudes don't bother everyone do they? Some institution will bite his lily white hand off for it.

If he was offering it to just black boys would your attitude be the same?

[Cherie]

What's a percentage point in terms of pupil numbers?...

You are deliberately skewing the point, disadvantaged children all deserve an equal chance and a help up the ladder based on merit alone.

Why is that such a taboo concept?...

Its not taboo at all, what are you on about

[Kizzy]

I agree, and unless all financial help based on ethnicity is scrapped, there should be something for wgite disadvantaged pupils.

Maybe that is what needs to happen, however there are always exceptions for the most disadvantaged group in any scenario.
Perpetuating myths that white boys are the most disadvantaged is still however a lie. It's fake news.

Sky and the editor of the spectator are spreading misinformation.

[Oliver_W]

Maybe that is what needs to happen, however there are always exceptions for the most disadvantaged group in any scenario.
Perpetuating myths that white boys are the most disadvantaged is still however a lie. It's fake news.

Sky and the editor of the spectator are spreading misinformation.

Even if they're not the most disadvantaged, they're the group that gets the least help, and that should be levelled.

[Kizzy]

If he was offering it to just black boys would your attitude be the same?

Yes obviously, I've just explained my position on this very clearly cherie.

[Kizzy]

Even if they're not the most disadvantaged, they're the group that gets the least help, and that should be levelled.

And you know this how?

[Kizzy]

Its not taboo at all, what are you on about

It must be... there are people going on national telly advocating helping children based on their race. Granted the information was wrong but that won't matter, it's out there now isn't it?

[Tom4784]

If he was offering it to just black boys would your attitude be the same?

White people are the majority in pretty much all private education. If you are white, you have more of a chance of attending these places then if you were black. Black people in particular are a severe minority in prestigious schools and universities so there's a definite need for bursaries in that case.

At the end of the day, this man's reasoning for a 'white boy only' bursary is flimsy at best, it seems more likely to me that he's more interested in keeping the school mostly white.

[Tom4784]

I agree, and unless all financial help based on ethnicity is scrapped, there should be something for wgite disadvantaged pupils.

This is such a gross attitude. It's like when you see children who only wants something because someone else has it and when they can't have it, they try to ruin it for everyone.

[Cherie]

It must be... there are people going on national telly advocating helping children based on their race. Granted the information was wrong but that won't matter, it's out there now isn't it?

A taboo would mean it couldn't be discussed, its being discussed aplenty it appears?

If this guy wanted to give his money to an animal shelter, no one would have an issue, send it off to a foreign climes to aid the locals, no issue, give bursaries to disadvantaged white boys, que the outrage, he probably would have got away with it if he donated to white girls. I am pretty sure there are similar bursaries available purely for those from ethnic minorities as well if we cared to look where is the outrage for those...

[Cherie]

Here we go...

https://www.thescholarshiphub.org.uk/ethnic-minority-scholarships/

Ethnic minority scholarships






Why are there scholarships for ethnic minorities?
Why is it that discrimination is illegal and yet it is considered acceptable to offer scholarships specifically for ethnic or indeed any type of minority group?
Scholarships for minorities are usually offered by charities or foundations that have been established with the specific charitable purpose of widening participation or encouraging diversity. Universities might offer minority scholarships to encourage applications from particular groups in order to meet their widening participation targets.
In the case of ethnic minority scholarships, the fact is that overall, BME students made up 29 per cent of all entrants to full-time first degrees in 2015-16, despite these groups making up just 18 per cent of the 15-year-old population in the 2011 census in England.
However, the key point to note is that the outcomes for these groups of students often lag behind their white peers. Non-white students are less likely to achieve a first or upper second class degree. The differences exist at all levels of entry qualifications, so are even apparent among students who enter higher education with very high prior attainment.

[Oliver_W]

White people are the majority in pretty much all private education. If you are white, you have more of a chance of attending these places then if you were black.
Tell that to working class white boys who can't afford to go.


Black people in particular are a severe minority in prestigious schools and universities so there's a definite need for bursaries in that case.
It's not really something that "needs" to be fixed, there is no correct amount of any type of person. There is an incorrect proportion, and thats 0%, otherwise the chips should be allowed to fall as they may.

This is such a gross attitude. It's like when you see children who only wants something because someone else has it and when they can't have it, they try to ruin it for everyone.
What's wrong with the same help being available for everyone?

[Tom4784]

Tell that to working class white boys who can't afford to go.



It's not really something that "needs" to be fixed, there is no correct amount of any type of person. There is an incorrect proportion, and thats 0%, otherwise the chips should be allowed to fall as they may.


What's wrong with the same help being available for everyone?

It's the fact that you were angling to get any bursaries that benefit ethnic minorities scrapped, hence the 'If I can't have it, no one can' comparison. That's a gross and incredibly self entitled way of looking at things.

The private school game is rigged in favour of white people and it's always has been, that's why by saying 'let the chips fall as they may' is the same as saying 'I'm okay with people not having the same opportunities as me as long as they aren't white.'

It's white privilege at it's core.

[Cherie]

Personally I think it’s good to have bursaries available for dedicated groups, when you apply you know you are not at a disadvantage straight off the bat because you are up against a group who are considered more disadvantaged so you have no hope

[Oliver_W]

It's the fact that you were angling to get any bursaries that benefit ethnic minorities scrapped, hence the 'If I can't have it, no one can' comparison. That's a gross and incredibly self entitled way of looking at things.

I'd prefer help be available for white working class pupils to make it fairer :shrug:



The private school game is rigged in favour of white people

In what way?

[Twosugars]

In what way?

Racism, Oliver. The thing you said doesnt exist.

[Oliver_W]

Racism, Oliver. The thing you said doesnt exist.

Not once have i said it doesn't exist. And that doesn't answer the question - how is the private school system rigged in white pupils' favour?

[Marsh.]

What's wrong with the same help being available for everyone?

Because not everyone requires the same level of help, or help at all. Obviously.

[Oliver_W]

Because not everyone requires the same level of help, or help at all. Obviously.

A working class white pupil needs the same help as a working class black pupil, but one is more often left out when it comes to financial aid.

[Marsh.]

A working class white pupil needs the same help as a working class black pupil, but one is more often left out when it comes to financial aid.

You're trying to equalise two things that are not equal.

There is plenty of help for working class kids. The majority of which will be white.

This attempt of yours to suggest white people have it worse off than minorities is embarrassing and false.

[Ant.]

there are bursaries for vegetarians

[Marsh.]

:joker:

[Ant.]

https://www.vegetariancharity.org.uk/apply-for-grant-may-may.html

There's also one for peoplencalled Graham and I've NEVER met a black person called Graham

[Oliver_W]

You're trying to equalise two things that are not equal.

In what way are they not equal?

[Marsh.]

In what way are they not equal?

Are we discussing the topic, or your make-believe fantasy that white people have it worse than ethnic minorities?

[Oliver_W]

Are we discussing the topic, or your make-believe fantasy that white people have it worse than ethnic minorities?

I didn't eay either have it worse, I said they have it the same, apart from when it comes to available help.

[Maxxie.]

I don't see the point in drawing a comparison between this and Stormzy. Prestigious universities are typically not diverse and he's not throwing out a bursary that denies service to anyone, he's chosen to send two people to university. Educational bursaries are not the same thing.

I'm glad they rejected his offer, Bursaries should be dependant on talent and nothing more.

But denying this bursary is denying service to working class boys, I’m not even going to mention the fact that there white as I don’t see it as relevant.

[Marsh.]

But denying this bursary is denying service to working class boys, I’m not even going to mention the fact that there white as I don’t see it as relevant.

But it is relevant as the bursary is for white boys?

[Maxxie.]

While reading that my opinion of this changed like 3 or 4 times its crazy I don’t really know what to think.

My main thoughts are though that if working class white people are the lowest academic performers in the country then obviously it has to be some sort of demographic, and if it isn’t them it would be working class black boys which I think would be treated as far more of an outrage. I don’t know how far the margin or comparison is tbh or if its much but if someone did know that would be very helpful.

This is obviously a generalisation but I think a reason because of this is white males from lower backgrounds are less likely to have role models or as much motivation imposed upon them. Since children of colour are most likely to be the children of first or second generation immigrants, they are more likely to have parents or grandparents who worked very hard to get to this country and have a work ethic that they could influence on their children.

[Maxxie.]

But it is relevant as the bursary is for white boys?

Which those white boys aren’t going to get anymore because the bursary has been rejected.

I’m not too keen on the idea of this bursary in the first place, but the fact it does exist now has been rejected I struggle to see as anything other than a bad thing.

[Marsh.]

Which those white boys aren’t going to get anymore because the bursary has been rejected.

I’m not too keen on the idea of this bursary in the first place, but the fact it does exist now has been rejected I struggle to see as anything other than a bad thing.

Why?

[Marsh.]

This is obviously a generalisation but I think a reason because of this is white males from lower backgrounds are less likely to have role models or as much motivation imposed upon them. Since children of colour are most likely to be the children of first or second generation immigrants, they are more likely to have parents or grandparents who worked very hard to get to this country and have a work ethic that they could influence on their children.

You think the working classes are disadvantaged because of a lack of work ethic?
So their inequality is self-inflicted?

[Kizzy]

A taboo would mean it couldn't be discussed, its being discussed aplenty it appears?

If this guy wanted to give his money to an animal shelter, no one would have an issue, send it off to a foreign climes to aid the locals, no issue, give bursaries to disadvantaged white boys, que the outrage, he probably would have got away with it if he donated to white girls. I am pretty sure there are similar bursaries available purely for those from ethnic minorities as well if we cared to look where is the outrage for those...

You're clutching at straws here cherie, donating to animal shelters bears no relation to this, as there's no race issue involved.
White girls or boys makes no difference, I'm at a loss as to why you think it matters.

There may be some, it still does not take away from the decision made by these schools not to discriminate for the sake of donations, scholarship or funding. Other schools might who knows.

[Cherie]

You're clutching at straws here cherie, donating to animal shelters bears no relation to this, as there's no race issue involved.
White girls or boys makes no difference, I'm at a loss as to why you think it matters.

There may be some, it still does not take away from the decision made by these schools not to discriminate for the sake of donations, scholarship or funding. Other schools might who knows.

No I am not, some people are triggered by white people getting any help at all, it’s not costing the state anything, it’s a donor who wishes to leave his hard earned cash where he wants to

I don’t see much pearl clutching from you with regard to scholarships solely for ethnic minorities kizzy..

[Kizzy]

I don’t see much pearl clutching from you with regard to scholarships solely for ethnic minorities kizzy..

Pearl clutching.. isnt what the faux offended do?
I'm not offended, I have said there may be such schemes, it bears no relation to this case or the school involved, who have chosen not to accept this money of their own free will.

[Cherie]

Pearl clutching.. isnt what the faux offended do?
I'm not offended, I have said there may be such schemes, it bears no relation to this case or the school involved, who have chosen not to accept this money of their own free will.

You said you wanted bursaries handed out on merit, whats changed?

[Cherie]

What's a percentage point in terms of pupil numbers?...

You are deliberately skewing the point, disadvantaged children all deserve an equal chance and a help up the ladder based on merit alone.

Why is that such a taboo concept?...

Just refreshing your memory kizzy

You have nada to say about bursaries solely for ethnic minorties other than it has no bearing on this case....incredible!

[Moniqua]

Bit pathetic tbh.

Working class white boys are the bottom of the pile these days, as they're not only held back by lack of money, but they're the only group who doesn't get help from "diversity" schemes, so why shouldn't they get bursaries.

those crackhas have neauxbawdy tew blame but themselves amirite xD

[Oliver_W]

those crackhas have neauxbawdy tew blame but themselves amirite xD

Wanna try that again in English?

[Moniqua]

those crackers have nobody to blame but themselves am i right xD

[Cherie]

It easy to see why the left were so drubbed in the election, I mean if you have a view, at least apply it fairly, I think most people whatever colour they are can see this

[Oliver_W]

those crackers have nobody to blame but themselves am i right xD

nah it's not their fault that society has failed their parents :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Are people really bleating that WHITE people suffer a lack of representation within diversity?




:laugh2:

[Moniqua]

Harriet Tubman is such a queen :love:

[Cherie]

those crackhas have neauxbawdy tew blame but themselves amirite xD

and here is yet another hypocritical example...

don't call me names

I will of course call you what ever name you like

Just grow up!

[Cherie]

Are people really bleating that WHITE people suffer a lack of representation within diversity?




:laugh2:

we are talking about disadvantaged kids, nothing to do with colour

If you can give bursaries solely to one group, why not solely to another?

[Moniqua]

yt's who don't get offended by the word "cracker" > yt's who get offended by the word "cracker"

[Cherie]

yt's who don't get offended by the word "cracker" > yt's who get offended by the word "cracker"

I don't mind if its with cheese :D:

[Oliver_W]

Are people really bleating that WHITE people suffer a lack of representation within diversity?




:laugh2:

All working class people do, including white people. But when they're being left out of bursaries and inclusion schemes, that does cause them to be under represented.

[Marsh.]

All working class people do, including white people. But when they're being left out of bursaries and inclusion schemes, that does cause them to be under represented.

Working class people are not exclusively white.

[Marsh.]

we are talking about disadvantaged kids, nothing to do with colour

If you can give bursaries solely to one group, why not solely to another?

Tbh I wasn't paying attention to yours and Kizzy's posts. :shame:

I was saving that for me brew in half hour. :worry:

[Oliver_W]

Working class people are not exclusively white.

I didn't say they were.

[Moniqua]

white people want to be sympathized so bad :rolleyes:

ain't yew dizzy x

[Cherie]

Tbh I wasn't paying attention to yours and Kizzy's posts. :shame:

I was saving that for me brew in half hour. :worry:

:oh:

[Oliver_W]

white people want to be sympathized so bad :rolleyes:

ain't yew dizzy x

Aren't you white? :joker:

[Cherie]

white people want to be sympathized so bad :rolleyes:

ain't yew dizzy x

so in your view there are no disadvantaged white kids, that honour goes solely elsewhere, where do you live exactly...?

[Moniqua]

Aren't you white? :joker:

im fookin qua yew plonker

[Moniqua]

so in your view there are no disadvantaged white kids, that honour goes solely elsewhere, where do you live exactly...?

Location: oceanside

Tf?

[montblanc]

Aren't you white? :joker:

nnn

[Ant.]

Qua you know I tolerate you sometimes but I gotta ask: why do you pretend to be a black teenage girl

[Moniqua]

Qua you know I tolerate you sometimes but I gotta ask: why do you pretend to be a black teenage girl

*way back when we all thought she was some mature black chick from Atlanta who ran the HBIC Twitter

[Marsh.]

I didn't say they were.

You did. You're bleating about white boys, rather than working class kids.

[Oliver_W]

You did. You're bleating about white boys, rather than working class kids.

Nope - working class white kids. They get less help compared to their BAME peers, despite being exactly as disadvantaged.

[Marsh.]

Nope - working class white kids. They get less help compared to their BAME peers, despite being exactly as disadvantaged.

As disadvantaged?

If an ethnic minority is the most disadvantaged of all ethnicities.

And the working class are the most disadvantaged class.

Then an ethnic minority working class kid is more disadvantaged than a white working class kid. Would you not agree? They not only have to fight harder due to having no money to give them a helping hand through life, but also have to fight harder due to not being white too.

[Oliver_W]

As disadvantaged?

If an ethnic minority is the most disadvantaged of all ethnicities.

And the working class are the most disadvantaged class.

Then an ethnic minority working class kid is more disadvantaged than a white working class kid. Would you not agree?

No, I think working class kids of different ethnicities are as disadvantaged as each other, be it white or BAME. If one group can get extra funding, they all should.

[Marsh.]

No, I think working class kids of different ethnicities are as disadvantaged as each other, be it white or BAME. If one group can get extra funding, they all should.

I agree all kids should be given support in areas where there are less opportunities for them, or to stop them being excluded purely because they're not born into wealth.

Do I agree that, ethnically speaking, white people are as disadvantaged as BAME? That's laughably false.

[Maxxie.]

Why?

Well ofc its a bad thing because nobody gets the bursary now :joker::joker: a child or maybe several children have now missed out on an opportunity for a better education because of racial sensitivities they have nothing to do with.

[Oliver_W]

Do I agree that, ethnically speaking, white people are as disadvantaged as BAME? That's laughably false.

How so? There are no longer any barriers faced by BAME kids which white kids of the same income brackets don't also face.

[Marsh.]

How so? There are no longer any barriers faced by BAME kids which white kids of the same income brackets don't also face.

There being a class disparity does not erase racial disparity. The world doesn't work like that.

[Twosugars]

How so? There are no longer any barriers faced by BAME kids which white kids of the same income brackets don't also face.

There we go again, denying racism exist :idc:

[Oliver_W]

There we go again, denying racism exist :idc:
I've never denied racism exists :shrug: there'll always be bigots out there. Like how white kids are being denied bursaries due to their ethnicity.
There being a class disparity does not erase racial disparity. The world doesn't work like that.

What racial disparity is there? None, on a societal basis.

[Marsh.]

White kids are denied bursaries due to... racism?
Is that what you're saying?

[Oliver_W]

White kids are denied bursaries due to... racism?
Is that what you're saying?

Is there another word for denying people something due to their race?

[Moniqua]

you can't be racist to white people

[Marsh.]

Is there another word for denying people something due to their race?

White people are denied bursaries due to their race?

[Oliver_W]

you can't be racist to white people

Yeah you can, that "power+prejudice" thing is bullshit outdated because white people no longer hold all the power, it is now an equal society. Anyone is capable of being racist, or receiving racism.

[jet]

imo if a private individual wants to give bursaries to a few white kids or a few black kids, it should be accepted. Skin colour shouldn't come into it. It's their money after all. :shrug:

All this woke and OTT pc crap is going too far (in many other ways too) and its created a backlash - one example is Corbyns Labour attitudes and that of his more devout followers which led to their mega failure in the election and people turning to the Torys.
Many in the far left and indeed some in the left are too strident, accusing and narrow minded. It's their way or the highway. It's horrendously off - putting. The far left have created the opposite of their aims and have only themselves to blame. Again, imo.

[Marsh.]

imo if a private individual wants to give bursaries to a few white kids or a few black kids, it should be accepted. Skin colour shouldn't come into it. It's their money after all. :shrug:

Except skin colour does come into it, when you're specifying which colours are worthy of your cash. :shrug:

[jet]

Except skin colour does come into it, when you're specifying which colours are worthy of your cash. :shrug:

It's the private individuals choice. Choice is still a thing, believe it or not. It doesn't mean Mr. White hates black people or Mr. Black hates white people.

Although nowadays Mr. Woke gets all holier than thou if Mr.White doesn't
do things their way...

[Marsh.]

It's the private individuals choice. Choice is still a thing, believe it or not. It doesn't mean Mr. White hates black people or Mr. Black hates white people.

Who said anyone hates anyone?

You simply can't argue a "Everyone's equal. :) All in the same boat. Why you going on about skin colour for? It's not relevant" when skin colour is literally the quota the bursary is based on. Literally how you are born. Not any unfortunate circumstances you were unfortunately subjected to but literally what colour your skin is.


Although nowadays Mr. Woke gets all holier than thou if Mr.White doesn't
do things their way...

You mean like your entire attitude in this thread? :unsure:

(Congratulations on making a post without the words Corbyn, left or Labour though)

[jet]

Who said anyone hates anyone?

You simply can't argue a "Everyone's equal. :) All in the same boat. Why you going on about skin colour for? It's not relevant" when skin colour is literally the quota the bursary is based on. Literally how you are born. Not any unfortunate circumstances you were unfortunately subjected to but literally what colour your skin is.



You mean like your entire attitude in this thread? :unsure:

(Congratulations on making a post without the words Corbyn, left or Labour though)

It is stated:
Sir Bryan says he wants to help white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds because they perform worse at school than their counterparts from other ethnic groups.

That was his understanding and opinion, rightly or wrongly, but the woke got woken up with relish as usual. :omgno:
A five page thread on nothing much, but other threads that don't fit the bill are sent into oblivion.

[Oliver_W]

Eh, I don't like the use of "woke". It's in the same range as "SJW" or branding everyone as a nazi.

[Marsh.]

Eh, I don't like the use of "woke". It's in the same range as "SJW" or branding everyone as a nazi.

Well, we agree on that at least.

[Marsh.]

It is stated:


That was his understanding and opinion, rightly or wrongly, but the woke got woken up with relish as usual. :omgno:
A five page thread on nothing much, but other threads that don't fit the bill are sent into oblivion.

You've based this "woke" stuff off the number of pages in the thread? That explains your misuse of the word. Not sure why you have such a big problem with people having an opinion in a debate section of a forum.

Back on topic, it is also stated:

The schools say they do not want to put ethnic restrictions on who can benefit from financial help.

Seems fairly simple to me. No ethnic restrictions.

[Kizzy]

Just refreshing your memory kizzy

You have nada to say about bursaries solely for ethnic minorties other than it has no bearing on this case....incredible!

I don't know if you've noticed but I haven't been part of the convo for over 3hrs :laugh:

To refresh your memory, a bursary based on merit is preferred personally, however.. other institutions other than this one may accept the money for specific races or genders.

There are bursaries for minorities, yes they exist we can go into the whys and wherefores if you like. I stand by the fact it has no bearing here, as you can't force a school to accept a donation, they are not beholden to accept monies offered for any reason they choose.

[Kizzy]

Aren't you white? :joker:

Omg karen. ..you can't just ask people if they're white....

[jet]

You've based this "woke" stuff off the number of pages in the thread?


No, not just on this thread, obviously.

[Marsh.]

No, not just on this thread, obviously.

Yeah, obviously.

[jet]

(Congratulations on making a post without the words Corbyn, left or Labour though)

Why the dig in tiny font in your postscript? Very childish.
fyi I have no problem with Labour per se, I have always supported a terrific Labour party in N.Ireland. I do have a problem with Corbyn (and I've been proved right there), his fanatical devotees and the disgraceful anti - semitism in the party....and of course the strident, overbearing faction of the hard left.
Labour and those who want the party to be relevant again need to chose a new leader who isn't Corbyn Mark2, otherwise they won't see power again for a very very long time.

[Kizzy]

That was his understanding and opinion, rightly or wrongly, but the woke got woken up with relish as usual


Hang on.. are you having a pop at me for pointing out he was wrong?. .

It's not 'woke' to seek out information for yourself, and to challenge misinformation when you find it.
We can't all be expected to parrot media spin or propaganda.

[Marsh.]

Why the dig in tiny font in your postscript? Very childish.
fyi I have no problem with Labour per se, I have always supported a terrific Labour party in N.Ireland. I do have a problem with Corbyn (and I've been proved right there), his fanatical devotees and the disgraceful anti - semitism in the party....and of course the strident, overbearing faction of the hard left.
Labour and those who want the party to be relevant again need to chose a new leader who isn't Corbyn Mark2, otherwise they won't see power again for a very very long time.

Labour.... Corbyn...... labour..... Corbyn..... left.... woke..... leftie....... labour...... woke..... me.... me.... me

Get a new record, that one is scratched.

[Kizzy]

Labour.... Corbyn...... labour..... Corbyn..... left.... woke..... leftie....... labour...... woke..... me.... me.... me

Get a new record, that one is scratched.

It's not scratched. .it's warped.

[Oliver_W]

Omg karen. ..you can't just ask people if they're white....

:joker: I've never actually seen that film but I swear virtually every line is a meme.

[Kizzy]

It is stated:


That was his understanding and opinion, rightly or wrongly, but the woke got woken up with relish as usual. :omgno:
A five page thread on nothing much, but other threads that don't fit the bill are sent into oblivion.

yep apparently theres a serial killer running round Ireland, you haven't commented on that. Before you ask... it's not corbyn! :hee:

[jet]

Labour.... Corbyn...... labour..... Corbyn..... left.... woke..... leftie....... labour...... woke..... me.... me.... me

Get a new record, that one is scratched.

No. I'll happily continue as and when I feel like it.
Getting rattled are we? :laugh:

[jet]

yep apparently theres a serial killer running round Ireland, you haven't commented on that. Before you ask... it's not corbyn! :hee:

He's pals with killers though...killers of thousands...

[jet]

It's not scratched. .it's warped.

Its not warped to detest a man who attends killers rallies and funerals and hangs around them like a love struck fanboy.
It's totally warped to be in thrall to such a man.

[Marsh.]

No. I'll happily continue as and when I feel like it.
Getting rattled are we? :laugh:

Rattled? I didn't support Corbyn.

The grasp he has over you is, however, disturbing.

[Ammi]

Two top English private schools have defended their decision not to accept a benefactor's offer of scholarships for disadvantaged white boys.

Winchester and Dulwich colleges have declined the offer - reported to be worth over £1m - by a former pupil from both, Professor Sir Bryan Thwaites.

The schools say they do not want to put ethnic restrictions on who can benefit from financial help.

Sir Bryan says he is now looking for state schools to accept his offer.

The philanthropist, who is 96 and plans to leave the funds in his will, attended Dulwich until the start of the Second World War, and then went on to Winchester.

His parents could not have afforded the fees for him and his brother without the aid of scholarships.

Sir Bryan says he wants to help white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds because they perform worse at school than their counterparts from other ethnic groups.

Sir Bryan told the Times newspaper that this was why he wanted to make a leading education available to others and believed the institutions were wrong to reject his offer on the basis that it was based on race.

He told the Times: "I have done a lot for both schools over the years and have been closely involved in them.

"All the more, therefore, do I feel that both schools have made a strategic mistake in their interpretation of legislation."

Trevor Phillips, the former chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said the Equality Act of 2010 was not designed to favour people of colour, but to ensure equality.

He told the Times that Sir Bryan's proposal simply showed he "wanted to do the right thing by families who need support".

In August last year, the rapper Stormzy announced he would fund two black British students to go to the University of Cambridge.

The star said there was "a whole bunch of academically brilliant, excellent students" who needed an incentive to aim for top universities.

In his single, Crown, Stormzy addressed some of the negative reaction to his decision to offer the scholarships, rapping that it is not "anti-white, it's pro-black".

Winchester, a boarding school which charges £13,903 per term, and Dulwich, which charges £7,082 a term for day boys and £14,782 for a term of full boarding, are among the most exclusive schools in England.

At Dulwich, there are currently 191 pupils from Year 3 to Year 13 who are in receipt of a means-tested bursary, the school said.

"The college's ambition is for 50% of pupils at Dulwich to be in receipt of fee relief through scholarships and, increasingly, means-tested bursaries. This figure is currently 30%," it said in a statement.

A spokesman for Winchester College said: "The school, in common with many universities, has outreach schemes aimed at carefully selected and under-represented communities. These schemes operate successfully and are regularly reviewed.

"The school will continue to discuss with benefactors the effective delivery of their intentions.

"But the trustees are clear, having consulted widely, that acceptance of a bequest of this nature would neither be in the interests of the school as a charity, nor the specific interests of those it aims to support through its work.

"Notwithstanding legal exceptions to the relevant legislation, the school does not see how discrimination on grounds of a boy's colour could ever be compatible with its values."

Master of Dulwich College, Dr Joe Spence, said: "We are extremely grateful to the many benefactors who support the College's bursary fund. Their generosity means we are able to offer academically able boys a place at Dulwich College.

"I am, however, resistant to awards made with any ethnic or religious criteria. Bursaries are an engine of social mobility, and they should be available to all who pass our entrance examinations, irrespective of their background."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50947271
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:umm2:

...hmmm, it’s a bit of a trick one...I read the statement from Cambridge, addressing Stormzy’s scholarships...and the thing with that is it’s specifically inspiring black talent, which Cambridge want and need to contribute to diversity...last year was the largest intake of black students at Cambridge...but it was still only a very small percentage...I think each for Oxford and Cambridge, it’s around 80-90% white students...so Stormzy’s intention surely, is to help make a top university more inclusive for two more black students each year...this feels more exclusive because, again...those exclusive colleges will have a small percentage of black students...I’m sure I read that once of Winchester College...So of a mainly white student college, to make an exclusivity of ‘white only’, doesn’t quite sit right...being on a low income though and that eligibility...?...that’s totally fine...on that criteria, there would surely be a very high chance of them being white also...but it’s an odd thing to specify in an exclusive college that is already a high percentage of ‘white’...i doe t surprise me that the bursaries were refused...and it’s sad that they couldn’t have just been specified as ‘disadvantaged backgrounds’...obviously it was Sir Bryan’s choice and prerogative, as it was for the colleges to make their decision...but hmmmm, to feel that and say that the benefactors had to be white in two mainly white colleges...the chances are, they would have been white anyway, it wasn’t necessary...and it doesn’t sit right for me, personally...and obviously it doesn’t sit right with the ethos of the colleges either...

[bots]

I may be completely off the wall on this, but wouldn't it be nice if students were given the opportunity to obtain funding they may not otherwise have based on academic merit and academic merit alone. I understand this may be a controversial stance to some.

[Oliver_W]

I may be completely off the wall on this, but wouldn't it be nice if students were given the opportunity to obtain funding they may not otherwise have based on academic merit and academic merit alone. I understand this may be a controversial stance to some.

I agree, I don't think any academic funding should be ethnicity specific. It should be based on academic performance and household income. But while some forms of funding are, all ethnicities should have some available.

[jet]

Rattled? I didn't support Corbyn.

The grasp he has over you is, however, disturbing.

Awww, does it disturb you. :bawling:
This is an ideal place for a good old Corbyn bash, :laugh: use the ignore button if it bothers you....

[Cherie]

I don't know if you've noticed but I haven't been part of the convo for over 3hrs :laugh:

To refresh your memory, a bursary based on merit is preferred personally, however.. other institutions other than this one may accept the money for specific races or genders.

There are bursaries for minorities, yes they exist we can go into the whys and wherefores if you like. I stand by the fact it has no bearing here, as you can't force a school to accept a donation, they are not beholden to accept monies offered for any reason they choose.

We were not talking about the schools accepting the donation, your stance was that they were correct ethically and morally, however you seem to have no such stance for the bursaries solely for ethnic miniorities, is that not wrong also ethically and morally in your view?

[user104658]

Can we all just take a minute to discuss the more pressing problem on this thread?

:joker: I've never actually seen that film but I swear virtually every line is a meme.

Oliver has not seen Mean Girls.

:worry:

[Kizzy]

He's pals with killers though...killers of thousands...

I thought you were a Labour supporter?.. what are your views on Blair and his illegal war? How many thousands were killed there?
Still waiting on your view on the history of the DUP btw....

[Kizzy]

Awww, does it disturb you. :bawling:
This is an ideal place for a good old Corbyn bash, :laugh: use the ignore button if it bothers you....

Is this you admitting that you are using a totally unrelated topic to bait members?... because it really looks like that's what you just said jet.

[Marsh.]

Awww, does it disturb you. :bawling:
This is an ideal place for a good old Corbyn bash, :laugh: use the ignore button if it bothers you....

More dross...... :sleep:

[Tom4784]

Can we all just take a minute to discuss the more pressing problem on this thread?



Oliver has not seen Mean Girls.

:worry:

Oliver, sweetie, you must hand in your gay card and face the judgement of the Gay tribunal for this blasphemy.

[Tom4784]

And yet another thread becomes a Corbyn thread because Jet is like a pokemon when it comes to discussions 'Corbyn! Corbyn! Cooooorbyyyyyn!'

[Kizzy]

We were not talking about the schools accepting the donation, your stance was that they were correct ethically and morally, however you seem to have no such stance for the bursaries solely for ethnic miniorities, is that not wrong also ethically and morally in your view?

I said other institutions might accept them based on the fact they are minorities. Morally and ethically there may be some justification for that. The key word being minority.
These schools do not accept bursaries for any ethnicities.

There should also be a point made on the difference between a personal sponsorship and a school bursary. Stormzy is personally sponsoring these students, including living expenses, any individual can do this. It is not the same a school offering a scholarship based on race.

[Kizzy]

Can we all just take a minute to discuss the more pressing problem on this thread?



Oliver has not seen Mean Girls.

:worry:

Yes that moving sig of yours is really annoying!!

[Gstar]

Winchester, a boarding school which charges £13,903 per term, and Dulwich, which charges £7,082 a term for day boys and £14,782 for a term of full boarding, are among the most exclusive schools in England.
Bitch how much?!?!

[jet]

I thought you were a Labour supporter?.. what are your views on Blair and his illegal war? How many thousands were killed there?
Still waiting on your view on the history of the DUP btw....

I didn't agree with Blair at all...but it isn't the same at all to personally befriending killers. How can you not see that?
I'm not interested in the DUP, they were not the political wing of a terrorist organization which Corbyn hung out with, his friends Sinn Fein were. Why are you so interested in them? They are irrelevant as one of their ranks wasn't vying to be PM.

[Oliver_W]

I said other institutions might accept them based on the fact they are minorities. Morally and ethically there may be some justification for that.

Why? White working class kids who are equally poor would need the same level of help. Should it be denied them because they don't have enough melanin in their skin?

[jet]

Is this you admitting that you are using a totally unrelated topic to bait members?... because it really looks like that's what you just said jet.

Nope, I was saying this forum is a good place. No point discussing old Steptoe on a forum where everyone else detests him too...and I like to talk about things I know a lot about and I know a lot about Corbyn....:evilgrin:

[Kizzy]

I didn't agree with Blair at all...but it isn't the same at all to personally befriending killers. How can you not see that?
I'm not interested in the DUP, they were not the political wing of a terrorist organization which Corbyn hung out with, his friends Sinn Fein were. Why are you so interested in them? They are irrelevant as one of their ranks wasn't vying to be PM.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-and-colonel-gaddafi-the-questions-the-former-prime-minister-faces-over-his-ties-with-a6767191.html%3famp

[Kizzy]

Why? White working class kids who are equally poor would need the same level of help. Should it be denied them because they don't have enough melanin in their skin?

Can you quote the full post and put it back into context please?

[jet]

And yet another thread becomes a Corbyn thread because Jet is like a pokemon when it comes to discussions 'Corbyn! Corbyn! Cooooorbyyyyyn!'

People don't have to respond, its not compulsory....including your valuable contribution....

[Kizzy]

Nope, I was saying this forum is a good place. No point discussing old Steptoe on a forum where everyone else detests him too...and I like to talk about things I know a lot about and I know a lot about Corbyn....:evilgrin:

Good for you.. you are derailing the thread and baiting members who would really like to discuss the thread topic.

[Tom4784]

People don't have to respond, its not compulsory....including your valuable contribution....

It's our right to respond, maybe you shouldn't be encouraging people who are critical of you to be silent. You never talk about anything other than Corbyn and it's nothing more than an attempt to throw all topics that you try to make about Corbyn off topic.

Not everything revolves around your rather worrying and obsessive hatred of a soon to be irrelevant MP.

[jet]

Good for you.. you are dealing the thread and baiting members who would really like to discuss the thread topic.

I made one mention of him initially as it was relevant to a point I was making....if other posters respond, then it carries on.........like you and some others are doing now....
I'm not stopping anyone from discussing the thread topic.:shrug:

[Oliver_W]

Can you quote the full post and put it back into context please?

The rest of the post is about different things, they're not needed for the context :shrug:

Why might it be ethical to specify that ethnic minorities can have funding, but not poor white kids?

[jet]

It's our right to respond, maybe you shouldn't be encouraging people who are critical of you to be silent. You never talk about anything other than Corbyn and it's nothing more than an attempt to throw all topics that you try to make about Corbyn off topic.

Not everything revolves around your rather worrying and obsessive hatred of a soon to be irrelevant MP.

You shouldn't worry. I'll explain it this way....this is my Corbyn place, like when under no circumstances would I miss a fave TV programme, I wouldn't say I'm obsessed with it and it dominates the rest of my life. There are many different compartments in life. Get it?
Try to lighten up a bit.

[Kizzy]

I made one mention of him initially as it was relevant to a point I was making....if other posters respond, then it carries on.........like you and some others are doing now....
I'm not stopping anyone from discussing the thread topic.:shrug:

Right I get it..I'm feeding you? Ok I'll stop.

[Kizzy]

The rest of the post is about different things, they're not needed for the context :shrug:

Why might it be ethical to specify that ethnic minorities can have funding, but not poor white kids?

The key word being minority.*

There you go, I did it for you.

[Beso]

People don't have to respond, its not compulsory....including your valuable contribution....

You discussing corbyn....not against the rules....

Fm discussing you....against the rules, but again...allowed cause it's dezzy.

[jet]

Right I get it..I'm feeding you? Ok I'll stop.

Pretty much....its a choice to respond.

[jet]

You discussing corbyn....not against the rules....

Fm discussing you....against the rules, but again...allowed cause it's dezzy.

:love: :wavey:

[Oliver_W]

The key word being minority.*

There you go, I did it for you.

I don't get it? Why does being a minority mean they deserve more funding?

[Beso]

I don't get it? Why does being a minority mean they deserve more funding?

Because in the past it was all about the white man...now it's time to level things up for the black man....whilst ignoring the white folks who also need help because of things that happened long before they were born into the poverty they were born into....we must whilst doing this remember that it's all about having a level playing field in this day and age..

[jet]

More dross...... :sleep:

Yet you bothered to respond, instead of ignoring. :joker:

[Twosugars]

You discussing corbyn....not against the rules....

Fm discussing you....against the rules, but again...allowed cause it's dezzy.

Corbyn :) Jeremy Corbyn.

[Oliver_W]

Because in the past it was all about the white man...now it's time to level things up for the black man....whilst ignoring the white folks who also need help because of things that happened long before they were born into the poverty they were born into....we must whilst doing this remember that it's all about having a level playing field in this day and age..

The past is completely irrelevant. Kids today have nothing to do with the past, and underprivileged white kids are obviously not better off than BAME kids in the same circumstances. The only way to make it a level playing field is for everyone to be able to get the same levels of help.

[Cherie]

The key word being minority.*

There you go, I did it for you.

is it one particular minority that gets sole funding?

[Beso]

The past is completely irrelevant. Kids today have nothing to do with the past, and underprivileged white kids are obviously not better off than BAME kids in the same circumstances. The only way to make it a level playing field is for everyone to be able to get the same levels of help.

That's my exact point, white kids today have absolutely nothing to do with thier forefathers pasts, yet they seem to be the ones suffering in some circumstances.

[Livia]

There are all kinds of bursaries and scholarships available only to black and Asian applicants. I refuse to see why anyone would have a problem with a bursary or scholarship aimed just at poor white kids.

[Marsh.]

You discussing corbyn....not against the rules....

Fm discussing you....against the rules, but again...allowed cause it's dezzy.

Bringing up Corbyn in every thread to derail it is against the rules I think you'll find.

[Marsh.]

That's my exact point, white kids today have absolutely nothing to do with thier forefathers pasts, yet they seem to be the ones suffering in some circumstances.

Poor white people. :(

[jet]

Bringing up Corbyn in every thread to derail it is against the rules I think you'll find.

I don't do it to derail a thread and I far from post in every thread, in fact, I'm not a regular poster at all. I bring it up as part of a point I am making. If people find it a problem, don't respond, no skin off my nose. :shrug:

[Cherie]

There are all kinds of bursaries and scholarships available only to black and Asian applicants. I refuse to see why anyone would have a problem with a bursary or scholarship aimed just at poor white kids.

It’s okay their white skin will be enough to tide them over in life, no need for any other input

[Marsh.]

I don't do it to derail a thread and I far from post in every thread, in fact, I'm not a regular poster at all. I bring it up as part of a point I am making. If people find it a problem, don't respond, no skin off my nose. :shrug:

Yes. You were making an on topic point.

Its not warped to detest a man who attends killers rallies and funerals and hangs around them like a love struck fanboy.
It's totally warped to be in thrall to such a man.

Awww, does it disturb you. :bawling:
This is an ideal place for a good old Corbyn bash, :laugh: use the ignore button if it bothers you....

Nope, I was saying this forum is a good place. No point discussing old Steptoe on a forum where everyone else detests him too...and I like to talk about things I know a lot about and I know a lot about Corbyn....:evilgrin:

People don't have to respond, its not compulsory....including your valuable contribution....

Pretty much....its a choice to respond.

:umm2:

[Marsh.]

It’s okay their white skin will be enough to tide them over in life, no need for any other input

Who suggested this?

[Oliver_W]

Poor white people. :(

Poor anyone who's not only disadvantaged, but also gets denied financial help due to their ethnicity. Racism isn't nice no matter who's on the receiving end.

[Marsh.]

Poor anyone who's not only disadvantaged, but also gets denied financial help due to their ethnicity. Racism isn't nice no matter who's on the receiving end.

They're not being denied funding.

Rejecting a "whites only" bursary from one donor =/= blocking funding for white kids. They have plenty of support.

It's so far from racism. Your use of the word is out of touch and ignorant.

[Oliver_W]

They're not being denied funding.

Rejecting a "whites only" bursary from one donor =/= blocking funding for white kids. They have plenty of support.

It's so far from racism. Your use of the word is out of touch and ignorant.

How do they have plenty of support when there a numerous BAME only scholarships but very few available to white pupils? How is rejecting one for white kids not racism?

[Marsh.]

How do they have plenty of support when there a numerous BAME only scholarships but very few available to white pupils? How is rejecting one for white kids not racism?

You said they are being denied support. That is false.

How is rejecting a whites only policy not racism? Well, because "whites only" as a policy is inherently racist.

One supporting ethnic minorities is not comparable.

It would be like asking why any support for the working class is not matched and equal with support for the middle class. Because they are not the same.

[Oliver_W]

It would be like asking why any support for the working class is not matched and equal with support for the middle class. Because they are not the same.

Working class white and BAME kids are the same though. Neither inherently has an advantage over the other in society.

[Kizzy]

is it one particular minority that gets sole funding?

I don't know cherie, maybe that's something you could look into?

[jet]

Yes. You were making an on topic point.











:umm2:

Those posts were replies to digs about my posting about Corbyn...(you left out the quotes which prompted those replies of course) - I guess I'm supposed to keep silent but others can carry it on...
like you are now, so on topic. And I suppose you missed my initial post which included Corbyn as part of making a point.
Do you get things so wrong often?

[Kizzy]

Im just surprised that the schools are getting criticism for refusing to discriminate... :/

[Cherie]

I don't know cherie, maybe that's something you could look into?

I don't need to, I'm not denying funding to one group over another like you are advocating kizzy

[Beso]

Yes. You were making an on topic point.











:umm2:


You missed the one where jet said they was only replyingwhen people mentioned corbyn again to his origin post where he used corbyn as an example in the original point of the topic...he has every reason therefore reply mentioning corbyn again...jet did mention time after time that that was why.

[Beso]

Those posts were replies to digs about my posting about Corbyn...(you left out the quotes which prompted those replies of course) - I guess I'm supposed to keep silent but others can carry it on...
like you are now, so on topic. And I suppose you missed my initial post which included Corbyn as part of making a point.
Do you get things so wrong often?



Or this. :joker:

[jet]

You missed the one where jet said they was only replyingwhen people mentioned corbyn again to his origin post where he used corbyn as an example in the original point of the topic...he has every reason therefore reply mentioning corbyn again...jet did mention time after time that that was why.

Thanks Parmy, not everyone has your comprehension skills apparently. :thumbs:

[Beso]

Thanks Parmy, not everyone has your comprehension skills apparently. :thumbs:

Wish I could notice it when it's my turn.:joker:

[Marsh.]

Working class white and BAME kids are the same though. Neither inherently has an advantage over the other in society.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so.

[Marsh.]

I guess I'm supposed to keep silent but others can carry it on...

Yes, please.

[Marsh.]

You missed the one where jet said they was only replyingwhen people mentioned corbyn again to his origin post where he used corbyn as an example in the original point of the topic...he has every reason therefore reply mentioning corbyn again...jet did mention time after time that that was why.

You missed the one where I asked for your sh*tty opinion.

[jet]

You missed the one where I asked for your sh*tty opinion.

Wrong again. There is a big difference between an opinion and a fact.
Parmy was giving you the facts, not an opinion.

[Marsh.]

Parmy was giving you the facts

:joker:

[Kizzy]

I don't need to, I'm not denying funding to one group over another like you are advocating kizzy

I haven't advocated anything cherie.. like Livia and others I have just acknowledged that funding for minorities exists.

[Beso]

You missed the one where I asked for your sh*tty opinion.

You didn't. .:shrug: