do you think climate change exists?

[Ant.]

vote :)

[Jessica.]

It does exist, it's not an opinion, it's a FACT

[smudgie]

Yes.
And it’s all down to us.:shrug:

[Scarlett.]

Of course it exists, only an idiot would think billowing smoke into the air every day for a hundred years would have no effect

[Beso]

No...sorry...but the hottest temperature...the windiest day


The wettest month etc etc. ..


Are just records to be broken...there was nothing around then to cause those extremes so why blame thongs now for yesterday's temperatures when the things being blamed wern't around when the original record was made.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:

The climate always changes

What you mean is Man made climate change

I'm not being pedantic, it's a huge important difference. And its key. Jesus wept

[Scarlett.]

https://localtvktvi.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/sea-ice.png?resize=1200,677

[Beso]

:facepalm:

The climate always changes

What you mean is Man made climate change

I'm not being pedantic, it's a huge important difference. And its key. Jesus wept

Every modern day man needs a bit off guana tree jizz flowing through his locks.. .those trees need chopped.:fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://localtvktvi.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/sea-ice.png?resize=1200,677

About as pointless as showing the UK 10k years ago during the ice age
Silly images that show nothing. Twitter is not science

[Scarlett.]

About as pointless as showing the UK 10k years ago during the ice age
Silly images that show nothing. Twitter is not science

Ok then, here's NASA confirming it's real for you, real Scientists, not some guy on Youtube who gets randy thinking about owning libs

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ok then, here's NASA confirming it's real for you, real Scientists, not some guy on Youtube who gets randy thinking about owning libs

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Sure. I'm pointing out you don't understand, not nasa. It's not political, so you can hate people who are right wing

Do you see?

[Beso]

Believe America. ...on tibb...omg..That's a first.

[Twosugars]

How come none of forum climate change deniers voted No? :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

Sure. I'm pointing out you don't understand, not nasa. It's not political, so you can hate people who are right wing

Do you see?

What are you even on about?

[Elliot]

https://localtvktvi.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/sea-ice.png?resize=1200,677

That’s scary

[user104658]

No...sorry...but the hottest temperature...the windiest day


The wettest month etc etc. ..


Are just records to be broken...there was nothing around then to cause those extremes so why blame thongs now for yesterday's temperatures when the things being blamed wern't around when the original record was made.

I mean, the facts and figures say you are flat out wrong. Here, in as simple a form as I could muster in the 3 minutes that I cared for long enough to try to explain...

https://i.imgur.com/x5prNTl.jpg

[Marsh.]

About as pointless as showing the UK 10k years ago during the ice age
Silly images that show nothing. Twitter is not science

Yeah 10,000 years vs 30 years. Nothing significant there. :facepalm:

[user104658]

Sure. I'm pointing out you don't understand, not nasa. It's not political, so you can hate people who are right wing

Do you see?

Most people on the right - along with the entire credible scientific community - now accept that climate change related to industry is real and a pressing concern. So no, climate change is not political... but climate change denial is extremely political.

[Twosugars]

But wait, listen to other experts, like this one:


Former Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann appeared on Jan Markell’s “Understanding The Times” radio program last weekend, where she urged pastors to start preaching the “truth” from their pulpits that climate change represents no threat to humanity because God said in the Bible, after Noah’s flood, that he would never again destroy the world with water.

Bachmann said that in her capacity as “pastor to the United Nations,” she has met with dozens of ambassadors “and every single one of them talk[s] about climate change.”

“I would encourage pastors to start preaching on this issue of climate change and God’s view of climate change,” Bachmann said. “The very covenant was established by God and Noah. And that covenant was that sin was so gross in the world that God had to bring about judgment, and then he had to bring about salvation, and from there came Abraham. God put a rainbow in the sky as a sign of his covenant and he said very clearly to the entire world, ‘Never again will there be judgment, never again will the world be flooded.'”

“You can take it to the bank, that’s God’s word,” she added. “And what is it these frauds tells us with climate change? That the world’s going to be flooded. Isn’t it interesting they’re saying it’s going to be another catastrophe, it’s flooding, we’re going to be flooded? God says we will never be flooded.”

“I want to challenge every pastor listening, would you please give a sermon on climate change and God’s view of climate change?” Bachmann continued. “This isn’t being political, this is being biblical, and I am begging the pastors who are listening, be biblical on issue after issue after issue. Be biblical because God’s people are perishing because of lack of knowledge, and the greatest antidote to deception is knowledge. And that’s why we need the pulpits to prepare people with what the Bible says about truth.”

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/michele-bachmann-climate-change-is-a-fraud-because-god-says-we-will-never-be-flooded/

God said it so that's that on that. Close the thread :)

[user104658]

But wait, listen to other experts, like this one:


https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/michele-bachmann-climate-change-is-a-fraud-because-god-says-we-will-never-be-flooded/

God said it so that's that on that. Close the thread :)

Reverend Trumpet?

[Kizzy]

The biggest climate change deniers are those making the most money from fossil fuels.

[Livia]

I voted yes, but I'd like to field this one to Australia, see what they've got to say.

[Livia]

Most people on the right - along with the entire credible scientific community - now accept that climate change related to industry is real and a pressing concern. So no, climate change is not political... but climate change denial is extremely political.

Got to agree with that.

[Kizzy]

Yes let's ask all the thicky right wing governments. ..
Thicky right wing governments, does climate change exist?
( thicky right wing governments turns round and whispers to the oil companies) ...'well does it'?
Thicky right wing government turns back around , 'Er, no..no it doesn't' .

[Nicky91]

umm No

forest fires have Always been there basically, and it's not bc of climate change but more evil people who cause that (like farmers in brazil with the amazon rainforest, or many of the fires in California because of hot weather and when you then go BBQ or smoking and throwing a lit cigarette away causes a fire, Australia well most of that country has experienced drought for a very long time, that combined with also not much rainfall activity causes a forest fire to get out of control real fast)


the heat records, well in the 70's there were also very very hot days my mom told me last summer so that has also been there for quite some time


2 years ago we had the drought problem, right but last year we had more rainfall, also caused some floodings i believe i can remember in britain yes

[bots]

the climate on earth has continually changed since it was formed. It's not static. The question is, have humans altered it more than natural phenomena would, and that is the issue open to debate.

I don't think the debate is particularly relevant. If we have the capability to keep our air and our water clean, then we should do it. No debate, just do it.

[user104658]

I don't think the debate is particularly relevant. If we have the capability to keep our air and our water clean, then we should do it. No debate, just do it.

I think this is a good point... Why would even a climate change denier think "nah its not real, so let's continue churning out pollution!"... I mean... Why wouldn't it be a case of "I don't think it's actually a concern but sure, let's clean up the planet anyway".

It indicates that the people (in power) who are resisting it have something to lose from increased environmental protections, and thus, their opinion has to be taken with a large pinch of salt. It's a competing interest... There's a reason that researchers are supposed to openly declare those.

[Scarlett.]

umm No

forest fires have Always been there basically, and it's not bc of climate change but more evil people who cause that (like farmers in brazil with the amazon rainforest, or many of the fires in California because of hot weather and when you then go BBQ or smoking and throwing a lit cigarette away causes a fire, Australia well most of that country has experienced drought for a very long time, that combined with also not much rainfall activity causes a forest fire to get out of control real fast)


the heat records, well in the 70's there were also very very hot days my mom told me last summer so that has also been there for quite some time


2 years ago we had the drought problem, right but last year we had more rainfall, also caused some floodings i believe i can remember in britain yes

It's the second worst fire in recorded history, with it having burned 12 million acres so far, the only one worse than it was the Siberian Taiga Fires in 2003 which burned 47 million acres. Both of these fires are within the last 17 years, and lets not forget, modern forest fire techniques are now in place, which lessen the spread of fires, whereas back in the 70s, the techniques were lacking and the fires still didnt get this bad.

[Twosugars]

Nicky, your three aircon units have made global warming irreversible :fist:

[Withano]

NICky has spoken. Close thread.

[Oliver_W]

How can anyone think otherwise? You don't even need to talk about wildfires or hottest days. You just need to look at what humans are doing.

Part of what causes global warming is increased carbon dioxide. What causes increased CO2? Pouring smoke into the air, fossil fuels, all that kind of thing.

What doesn't help is destroying our green spaces, as plants turn CO2 into oxygen.

So, not only do "we" keep increasing the amount of CO2 in the air, but also destroy the things that turn it around? Dumb af

We need to stop pointlessly destroying our green spaces, but also start to rely on greener forms of energy. Nuclear is probably the cleanest.

[Oliver_W]

I think this is a good point... Why would even a climate change denier think "nah its not real, so let's continue churning out pollution!"... I mean... Why wouldn't it be a case of "I don't think it's actually a concern but sure, let's clean up the planet anyway".
Yeah, think how silly we'd feel if we stopped poisoning the seas and air for no reason :joker:

[user104658]

How can anyone think otherwise? You don't even need to talk about wildfires or hottest days. You just need to look at what humans are doing.



Part of what causes global warming is increased carbon dioxide. What causes increased CO2? Pouring smoke into the air, fossil fuels, all that kind of thing.



What doesn't help is destroying our green spaces, as plants turn CO2 into oxygen.



So, not only do "we" keep increasing the amount of CO2 in the air, but also destroy the things that turn it around? Dumb af



We need to stop pointlessly destroying our green spaces, but also start to rely on greener forms of energy. Nuclear is probably the cleanest.The oceans are the biggest CO2 scrubber (much moreso than green spaces on land) but of course, global warming is also altering ocean temperatures and currents which is ****ing everything up there too.

I mentioned nuclear being the current absolute best option we have in another thread recently but it's not a popular opinion. Ironically, the heavy favouring of renewables over nuclear is only prolonging reliance on classic fossil fuels to the point where it'll be too late.

Renewable energy is definitely the future but we're not there yet for it to be a viable full replacement. But nuclear has been demonised to the point of being a political hot potato... Governments know its the best option short term, to quickly reduce fossil fuel use until viable "green" tech can meet demand, but voters dislike it so...

[The Slim Reaper]

It's just god hugging us tighter.

[Nicky91]

Nicky, your three aircon units have made global warming irreversible :fist:

my aircon unit causes no damage to our climate :hmph:

i've read that on the box when we bought it


my parents their aircon units though they are not that good for climate

[Cherie]

my aircon unit causes no damage to our climate :hmph:

i've read that on the box when we bought it


my parents their aircon units though they are not that good for climate

Nickys parents fault D:

[Oliver_W]

The oceans are the biggest CO2 scrubber (much moreso than green spaces on land) but of course, global warming is also altering ocean temperatures and currents which is ****ing everything up there too.

Oh I'd never say the trees are the only thing giving us oxygen, just that destroying them doesn't exactly help. Plus, the things green spaces are replaced with increase CO2, so it's a double whammy.



I mentioned nuclear being the current absolute best option we have in another thread recently but it's not a popular opinion. Ironically, the heavy favouring of renewables over nuclear is only prolonging reliance on classic fossil fuels to the point where it'll be too late.

Renewable energy is definitely the future but we're not there yet for it to be a viable full replacement. But nuclear has been demonised to the point of being a political hot potato... Governments know its the best option short term, to quickly reduce fossil fuel use until viable "green" tech can meet demand, but voters dislike it so...

Even nuclear isn't completely clean, with the mining of uranium. But it's better than most other options.

If I was down with conspiracy theories, I'd think the timing of the release of Cherbonyl was fishy :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicky also charges his laptop even tho its at 98% and never uses the battery. Meanwhile a Polar Bear is having to Swim to a Spar in Tromso just to get some Penguins

When will this madness end?

[Jessica.]

Can we report Nicky to the environmental protection agency? I'm feeling a bit warm today and it's January. It's his impact.

[Tom4784]

Anyone that doesn't is an absolute fool that disregards facts they can't handle. Cllimate change is real, it's not a debate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Man made climate change

the climate always changes every year and over long periods like the ice age 10,000 years ago or the 17th Century winters where the THames regularly froze over and Frost fairs were held

Its should be addressed as man made climate change as that is the specific issue and not climate change on its own

[user104658]

If I was down with conspiracy theories, I'd think the timing of the release of Cherbonyl was fishy :joker:

I'd say Chernobyl actually made a good case for nuclear not being that bad at all! It explained the situation pretty well, pointing out that it wasn't "an inevitability" of something inherently dangerous... but a combination of bad design, Soviet cost-cutting, and human error from insufficiently trained staff. The second half of the series was really all about a small group standing up and saying "No, look, this was a Soviet **** up not an unavoidable accident, part of the design needs fixed".

Man made climate change

the climate always changes every year and over long periods like the ice age 10,000 years ago or the 17th Century winters where the Thames regularly froze over and Frost fairs were held

Its should be addressed as man made climate change as that is the specific issue and not climate change on its own

I agree that the distinction is important, because people try to use evidence of normal climate fluctuations to explain away the current situation... so yes it's important for people to know that climate change over time is normal, but that the current increase, and moreso the SPEED of change is too far outside the "normal range" to be passed off as having nothing to do with human activity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree that the distinction is important, because people try to use evidence of normal climate fluctuations to explain away the current situation... so yes it's important for people to know that climate change over time is normal, but that the current increase, and moreso the SPEED of change is too far outside the "normal range" to be passed off as having nothing to do with human activity.

indeed

[Livia]

Nicky voted no? What are you on, Nicky...?

[user104658]

Nicky voted no? What are you on, Nicky...?

To be fair to Nicky, Parmy also voted no but he hasn't committed to his choice on the poll :fist:

[Beso]

To be fair to Nicky, Parmy also voted no but he hasn't committed to his choice on the poll :fist:

I'm studying first.:smug:

[Beso]

See , I do believe the earth's orbit of the sun is speeding up and years mean nothing now..however I think we should stop chopping down the rainforest and reduce our plastic consumption. Cause of the danger to wildlife.

But I honestly believe that it's all down to the earth spinning gradually faster round the sun each year.

[The Slim Reaper]

See , I do believe the earth's orbit of the sun is speeding up and years mean nothing now..however I think we should stop chopping down the rainforest and reduce our plastic consumption. Cause of the danger to wildlife.

But I honestly believe that it's all down to the earth spinning gradually faster round the sun each year.

It's slowing down, I believe.

[Cherie]

It's slowing down, I believe.

I have my foot on the brake :smug:

[Jessica.]

There are definitely natural changes in the climate that have been happening since the beginning of time but there is obviously a huge amount of problems caused by humans which are unnaturally changing things and need to be handled. Nobody said that the natural ups and downs of temperatures didn't exist. I hope not anyway.

[Nicky91]

See , I do believe the earth's orbit of the sun is speeding up and years mean nothing now..however I think we should stop chopping down the rainforest and reduce our plastic consumption. Cause of the danger to wildlife.

But I honestly believe that it's all down to the earth spinning gradually faster round the sun each year.

yes plastic in oceans is bad for wildlife, i do wish more attention would go to that rather than climate change

rainforest in turn is important also lots of animals who live there

or in africa, some should stop the fishing in masses, otherwise pinguin population there runs out of food

[The Slim Reaper]

I have my foot on the brake :smug:

Or your arse on the ground :smug:

[Cherie]

Or your arse on the ground :smug:

:joker:

[user104658]

See , I do believe the earth's orbit of the sun is speeding up and years mean nothing now..

I honestly believe that it's all down to the earth spinning gradually faster round the sun each year.

:umm2: The Earth's rotation is slowing because of the moon but it's at a rate of fractions of a second per year... there's no indication that the Earth's orbit of the sun is widening, unless you're talking about a span of literally BILLIONS of years.

This is nearly as bizarre as flat earth stuff, honestly.

[MB.]

Nicky being a climate change denier because his mum told him it was hot once in the '70s is so on-brand

[Marsh.]

See , I do believe the earth's orbit of the sun is speeding up and years mean nothing now..however I think we should stop chopping down the rainforest and reduce our plastic consumption. Cause of the danger to wildlife.

But I honestly believe that it's all down to the earth spinning gradually faster round the sun each year.

That's your age. Time appears to speed up as you get older as a year becomes a smaller fraction of your whole life.

[Oliver_W]

It's weird how summer seems to have been slightly later for the past few years, while "winter weather" is more common in January-March than around November-February...

[Beso]

:umm2: The Earth's rotation is slowing because of the moon but it's at a rate of fractions of a second per year... there's no indication that the Earth's orbit of the sun is widening, unless you're talking about a span of literally BILLIONS of years.

This is nearly as bizarre as flat earth stuff, honestly.

Makes sense to me and it explains the top and bottom getting warmer..as it speeds up.

[Twosugars]

:umm2: The Earth's rotation is slowing because of the moon but it's at a rate of fractions of a second per year... there's no indication that the Earth's orbit of the sun is widening, unless you're talking about a span of literally BILLIONS of years.

This is nearly as bizarre as flat earth stuff, honestly.
Well said TS.
The post you replied to is literally denying physics as we know it.

With time the angular momentum dissipates and things slow down and get farther away on an enormous time scale.
It's the case with the earth and moon system and earth and sun.
The solar year and the lunar month are getting longer by a tiny fraction of a second with each cycle.

[Beso]

Well said TS.
The post you replied to is literally denying physics as we know it.

With time the angular momentum dissipates and things slow down and get farther away on an enormous time scale.
It's the case with the earth and moon system and earth and sun.
The solar year and the lunar month are getting longer by a tiny fraction of a second with each cycle.



So believing the earth's orbit is speeding up equals tin foiled head brigade.......but believing it is slowing down...all normal...:joker:..I don't think so.:nono

Ps, we are getting closer to the sun it's sucking us in..so the closer you get the quicker you get round.


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[Shaun]

Some people need to up their medication doses.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Some people need to up their medication doses.

What a nasty person comment about mental health

This is as bad as racism

[user104658]

So believing the earth's orbit is speeding up equals tin foiled head brigade.......but believing it is slowing down...all normal...:joker:..I don't think so.:nono

Ps, we are getting closer to the sun it's sucking us in..so the closer you get the quicker you get round.


:

Parmy do you actually believe this or are you trolling? It's not about beliefs, it's mathematical and scientific fact :think:. Gravity is based on mass, the sun is constantly burning hydrogen and thus, losing mass. This causes the sun itself to physically expand whilst becoming less dense, which means its gravitational pull lessens and satellites (planets) move AWAY from the centre of the solar system, increasing orbit time.

Again, though, we're talking about an increase of SECONDS over thousands of years, BILLIONS of years for a noticable difference.

This isn't guesswork Parmy, we know the distance to the sun, we would know if it changed :think:.

[Beso]

I believe it.

[user104658]

I believe it.

Well, have fun with that I guess :shrug:

[Twosugars]

Move over Newton and Einstein:laugh:

[Beastie]

First the tsunami. Then the Bush fires in Australia.

Next it will terrential rain, thunder and tornadoes. Especially in the UK.

(I know we get tornadoes in the states but it will occurring more so over here)

[user104658]

First the tsunami. Then the Bush fires in Australia.

Next it will terrential rain, thunder and tornadoes. Especially in the UK.

(I know we get tornadoes in the states but it will occurring more so over here)

THANKFULLY (as I hate tornadoes D:... I used to have recurring nightmares) we can't get the huge ones they get in the central states because we don't have the big, flat, open spaces where they form.

[Beastie]

THANKFULLY (as I hate tornadoes D:... I used to have recurring nightmares) we can't get the huge ones they get in the central states because we don't have the big, flat, open spaces where they form.

I have always wanted to be like Helen Hunt from the film Twister and chase tornadoes :laugh:

[Twosugars]

I have always wanted to be like Helen Hunt from the film Twister and chase tornadoes :laugh:

Check this out, free on kindle https://www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Tornado-Chasers-Groundbreaking-Documentary-ebook/dp/B00MXDW9DS/ref=sr_1_669?qid=1578271438&rnid=341689031&s=digital-text&sr=1-669

[Beso]

Well, have fun with that I guess :shrug:

It's not like I'm wandering about with a sandwich board draped over me shouting "the end is nigh" at people..so it doesn't effect me or anyone else in the slightest, but it is what I believe, but it's staying inside my head.

[Beso]

Some people need to up their medication doses.

Some people need a dose of thrush.

[Zizu]

So believing the earth's orbit is speeding up equals tin foiled head brigade.......but believing it is slowing down...all normal...:joker:..I don't think so.:nono

Ps, we are getting closer to the sun it's sucking us in..so the closer you get the quicker you get round.


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Soooo

A science boff said the other day ( on Sky News ) that one surprising thing about all this is that the Sun’s temperature has been gradually reducing for sometime , year upon year .

So what’s that all about ??


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[Zizu]

Some people need a dose of thrush.



Yeah ... ideally before they’re all dead

( the thrushes)

;)


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[user104658]

Soooo

A science boff said the other day ( on Sky News ) that one surprising thing about all this is that the Sun’s temperature has been gradually reducing for sometime , year upon year .

So what’s that all about ??


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The sun is literally a burning ball of hydrogen, as it burns it uses up the hydrogen and thus loses mass which makes it grow bigger (because it has a lower gravitational pull) and colder (because it's using it's fuel). It'll eventually become a "red giant" - many times bigger than the current sun, but also cooler.

Again though, we're talking timeframes of BILLIONS of years here, the changes within the entire span of human history are so small they can barely be measured let alone cause any actual change on Earth.

[The Slim Reaper]

The sun is literally a burning ball of hydrogen, as it burns it uses up the hydrogen and thus loses mass which makes it grow bigger (because it has a lower gravitational pull) and colder (because it's using it's fuel). It'll eventually become a "red giant" - many times bigger than the current sun, but also cooler.

Again though, we're talking timeframes of BILLIONS of years here, the changes within the entire span of human history are so small they can barely be measured let alone cause any actual change on Earth.

This is fine and all, but a bloke on the internet said no :smug:

[Twosugars]

I blame the Clintons. And Corbyn.
:fist:

[Beso]

You won't be laughing when we get sucked up into the sun.

[Cherie]

You won't be laughing when we get sucked up into the sun.

:laugh:

[Twosugars]

Idk about you but I like getting sucked :shrug:

[Zizu]

The sun is literally a burning ball of hydrogen, as it burns it uses up the hydrogen and thus loses mass which makes it grow bigger (because it has a lower gravitational pull) and colder (because it's using it's fuel). It'll eventually become a "red giant" - many times bigger than the current sun, but also cooler.



Again though, we're talking timeframes of BILLIONS of years here, the changes within the entire span of human history are so small they can barely be measured let alone cause any actual change on Earth.



Interesting .. thank you .


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[Zizu]

I blame the Clintons. And Corbyn.
:fist:



Good timing then ..

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[The Slim Reaper]

Good timing then ..

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:joker:

[Beso]

Idk about you but I like getting sucked :shrug:

By the sun?...

Ty spellchecker

[Zizu]

https://x.com/robinmonotti/status/1786671832080208320

JOHN CLAUSER, 2022 PHYSICS NOBEL PRIZE WINNER:
"I can very confidently assert, there is NO climate emergency."
“As much as it may upset many people, my message is the planet is NOT in peril. … atmospheric CO2 and methane have negligible effect on the climate.
The policies government have been implementing are total unnecessary and should be eliminated.
So far, [we] have totally misidentified what is the dominant process in controlling the climate, and all of the various models are based on incomplete and incorrect physics.
The dominant process, is “the cloud-sunlight-reflexivity thermostat mechanism.
Clouds are all bright white, and they reflected 90% of the sunlight back into space making them the most crucial yet most overlooked aspect of the climate system.
Two-thirds of the Earth are ocean. The Pacific Ocean alone is half the Earth. The average cloud cover for the Earth is 67%; about 50% over land and 75% over oceans.
I claim that the above conspicuous properties of clouds are the missing part of the puzzle.

I can very confidently assert, there is no climate emergency."


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[MTVN]

I've always been pretty sceptical of the extent of climate change but difficult to argue with the amount of extreme weather that has affected the world recently

I do have total faith though that sounds policies plus technological advances will help to mitigate it and stabilise things

[Zizu]

I've always been pretty sceptical of the extent of climate change but difficult to argue with the amount of extreme weather that has affected the world recently

I do have total faith though that sounds policies plus technological advances will help to mitigate it and stabilise things


Changes in weather conditions .. even extreme changes doesn’t mean its a man made problem..

Maybe its just nature maybe a bit of both ?


There must be some data or charts to illustrate any massive changes at the time of the industrial revolution and so on


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[arista]

Yes of course it does

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've always been pretty sceptical of the extent of climate change but difficult to argue with the amount of extreme weather that has affected the world recently

I do have total faith though that sounds policies plus technological advances will help to mitigate it and stabilise things

Extreme weather affects the earth 365 days a year and always has

[MTVN]

Changes in weather conditions .. even extreme changes doesn’t mean its a man made problem..

Maybe its just nature maybe a bit of both ?


There must be some data or charts to illustrate any massive changes at the time of the industrial revolution and so on


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Bit of both I think. Tbh we had no real way of measuring weather effectively until quite recently and we also had very little awareness of the global climate

That's what Greta et al forget when they blame previous generations so viciously

[MTVN]

Extreme weather affects the earth 365 days a year and always has

Yes but let's not be obtuse

[bots]

the weather systems and their interactions are outrageously complicated, so the solution will never be as simple as trying to manipulate 1 variable like the environmentalists are trying to.

We pretend that we understand it, but we don't. Now, it may be that slowing the global temperature rise will help, but, equally, it may have no effect whatsoever and meanwhile, it's forcing the world into poverty. Personally, i would rather have money in my pocket than suffer poverty because a loud group of extremists, most of whom don't have a clue about anything, tell us what we should be doing

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes but let's not be obtuse

Yes but you are reacting mainly to the fact that "extreme weather" makes the media now, 20 years ago when the MSM were not pumping out "extreme weather" news and you were not consuming it I was monitoring it

So when you see "extreme flooding" say in Saudi Arabia and you think oh wow that's new it must be CO2 production" I think yes I recall flooding like that umpteen times in the last 40 years.

Be careful where you are getting your weather news and why you are getting it

[Crimson Dynamo]

The very thread title is case in point, its misinformation and exactly the issue

The climate is always changing, the earth is always heating up and cooling down - "since records began" generally means the last 100 years

My rule of thumb is if global warming means the average joe has to pay for it

its bollocks

[MTVN]

Yes but you are reacting mainly to the fact that "extreme weather" makes the media now, 20 years ago when the MSM were not pumping out "extreme weather" news and you were not consuming it I was monitoring it

So when you see "extreme flooding" say in Saudi Arabia and you think oh wow that's new it must be CO2 production" I think yes I recall flooding like that umpteen times in the last 40 years.

Be careful where you are getting your weather news and why you are getting it

Well that's quite interesting but I'm not totally convinced. UAE had like a year's worth of rainfall in 24 hours this year which was very unusual. Dozens of pilgrims died in Saudi because of extreme temps. Europe has had massive heatwaves of 40C+, the US has had serious heatwaves. We've had a lot more flooding. Ski resorts have been shut down because of there being no snow. I think the frequency of extreme weather events has been pretty extraordinary in the last few years while I recognise that they have always happened to some extent

[MTVN]

the weather systems and their interactions are outrageously complicated, so the solution will never be as simple as trying to manipulate 1 variable like the environmentalists are trying to.

We pretend that we understand it, but we don't. Now, it may be that slowing the global temperature rise will help, but, equally, it may have no effect whatsoever and meanwhile, it's forcing the world into poverty. Personally, i would rather have money in my pocket than suffer poverty because a loud group of extremists, most of whom don't have a clue about anything, tell us what we should be doing

Agree with that, the current generation likes to think they are so enlightened on all these matters but so much is still unknown

[Ammi]

…this is quite a good information site/article…some key points but I won’t post the full content of information…


https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/



While Earth’s climate has changed throughout its history, the current warming is happening at a rate not seen in the past 10,000 years.
According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), "Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."1
Scientific information taken from natural sources (such as ice cores, rocks, and tree rings) and from modern equipment (like satellites and instruments) all show the signs of a changing climate.
From global temperature rise to melting ice sheets, the evidence of a warming planet abounds.




The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia.
Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.

The current warming trend is different because it is clearly the result of human activities since the mid-1800s, and is proceeding at a rate not seen over many recent millennia.
It is undeniable that human activities have produced the atmospheric gases that have trapped more of the Sun’s energy in the Earth system. This extra energy has warmed the atmosphere, ocean, and land, and widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere have occurred.

Do scientists agree on climate change?
Earth-orbiting satellites and new technologies have helped scientists see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate all over the world. These data, collected over many years, reveal the signs and patterns of a changing climate.
Scientists demonstrated the heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases in the mid-19th century.2 Many of the science instruments NASA uses to study our climate focus on how these gases affect the movement of infrared radiation through the atmosphere. From the measured impacts of increases in these gases, there is no question that increased greenhouse gas levels warm Earth in response.
Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal.




Global Temperature Is Rising
The planet's average surface temperature has risen about 2 degrees Fahrenheit (1 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide emissions into the atmosphere and other human activities.4 Most of the warming occurred in the past 40 years, with the seven most recent years being the warmest. The years 2016 and 2020 are tied for the warmest year on record.

The Ocean Is Getting Warmer
The ocean has absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 100 meters (about 328 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.67 degrees Fahrenheit (0.33 degrees Celsius) since 1969.6 Earth stores 90% of the extra energy in the ocean.


The Ice Sheets Are Shrinking
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost an average of 279 billion tons of ice per year between 1993 and 2019, while Antarctica lost about 148 billion tons of ice per year.

Glaciers Are Retreating
Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska, and Africa.

Snow Cover Is Decreasing
Satellite observations reveal that the amount of spring snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere has decreased over the past five decades and the snow is melting earlier.

Sea Level Is Rising
Global sea level rose about 8 inches (20 centimeters) in the last century. The rate in the last two decades, however, is nearly double that of the last century and accelerating slightly every year.

Arctic Sea Ice Is Declining
Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.

Extreme Events Are Increasing in Frequency
The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.


Ocean Acidification Is Increasing
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30%.13, 14 This increase is due to humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the ocean. The ocean has absorbed between 20% and 30% of total anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions in recent decades (7.2 to 10.8 billion metric tons per year).

[Ammi]

…the short of it…:laugh:…yes, I do most definitely think that it exists…

[Mystic Mock]

I think that it's real, but like everything these days it gets shoved down your throat so much by miserable ****ers (like the miserable ****ers that like to bring up a certain Pandemic at every given opportunity,) that I just despise the topic in general these days.

But yeah I think that it exists, I don't know if corporations are exaggerating it for performative and profit reasons, but the UK has had unusual/inconsistent weather three years in a row, and that has never happened before in such a noticeable manner.

[Zizu]

I think that it's real, but like everything these days it gets shoved down your throat so much by miserable ****ers (like the miserable ****ers that like to bring up a certain Pandemic at every given opportunity,) that I just despise the topic in general these days.

But yeah I think that it exists, I don't know if corporations are exaggerating it for performative and profit reasons, but the UK has had unusual/inconsistent weather three years in a row, and that has never happened before in such a noticeable manner.


You are comparing it to weather you have experienced when there have been loads of heat waves and ice ages lasting absolute ages !

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There were at least 17 cycles between glacial and interglacial periods. The glacial periods lasted longer than the interglacial periods. The last glacial period began about 100,000 years ago and lasted until 25,000 years ago. Today we are in a warm interglacial period.


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[Mystic Mock]

You are comparing it to weather you have experienced when there have been loads of heat waves and ice ages lasting absolute ages !

:::

There were at least 17 cycles between glacial and interglacial periods. The glacial periods lasted longer than the interglacial periods. The last glacial period began about 100,000 years ago and lasted until 25,000 years ago. Today we are in a warm interglacial period.


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The fact that yesterday for example was freezing cold after days of being really warm, isn't normal weather imo.

[Zizu]

The fact that yesterday for example was freezing cold after days of being really warm, isn't normal weather imo.


I’m not well up on weather but isn’t our weather largely dictated by the flow of the Gulf Stream ? ( which occasionally stops for some reason)


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[Alf]

Do we need to warm up the planet?

When does Summer start? I always thought it was June, but here we are in mid July and still waiting.

[UserSince2005]

Defo not real. In Spain at the moment and it ain’t even that hot right now

[Zizu]

Do we need to warm up the planet?

When does Summer start? I always thought it was June, but here we are in mid July and still waiting.


Summer starts soon apparently .. heat wave all through August as well


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[Mystic Mock]

I’m not well up on weather but isn’t our weather largely dictated by the flow of the Gulf Stream ? ( which occasionally stops for some reason)


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I'm not an expert either tbh.

Our weather expert on here is either LT or Arista.

[user104658]

I'm not an expert either tbh.

Our weather expert on here is either LT or Arista.

I would say though Mock, be careful not to value the opinions of overly-confident hobbyists over actual voices in the scientific fields. There's a reason that some people make a good living through rigorous scientific studies, and others sell pots on ebay.

There are no weather experts on this forum.

[Nicky91]

still am saying no


2018 has been a horrible hot summer
2019 slightly milder than 2018
2020 nothing too hot, still very warm summer
2021 a decently warm summer
2022 hot but doable summer
2023 didn't complain that much tbh also didn't have my airco on that much either, not many long heatwaves compared to previous other years


2024 a very mild spring with lots of rain, a average start to the summer, also not having my airco on that much (for now) again i am not complaining, also am liking the amount of rainfall, for forests and gardens over here



the belgian weather experts say if there is much rainfall, less likely chance of long heatwaves

[arista]

"still am saying no"

Nicky what do you call it ?

[Mystic Mock]

I would say though Mock, be careful not to value the opinions of overly-confident hobbyists over actual voices in the scientific fields. There's a reason that some people make a good living through rigorous scientific studies, and others sell pots on ebay.

There are no weather experts on this forum.

Is there anyone on here that has a scientific knowledge of the weather?

Because I'm more than prepared to listen to them.

[user104658]

Is there anyone on here that has a scientific knowledge of the weather?

No. Laypeople's understanding, no professional knowledge.

[Mystic Mock]

No. Laypeople's understanding, no professional knowledge.

Fair enough.

[Alf]

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