Durham:Schoolboy neo-Nazi, 17, who listed 'areas to attack' jailed for 6 years

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/07/13/23103346-7860819-image-m-18_1578404608795.jpg


[The youth, who cannot be named
for legal reasons, was found guilty
of the preparation of terrorist acts
between October 2017 and March 2019.

He was also charged and found guilty of:
Disseminating a terrorist publication
Possessing an article for a purpose
connected with terrorism
Three counts of possessing a
document or record containing
information likely to be useful to a terrorist]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7860819/Teenage-neo-Nazi-terrorist-16-jailed-six-years-eight-months.html


Good news this Evil Punk was stopped,

[Crimson Dynamo]

Top comment from the DM:

Meanwhile, hate preachers in the UK chant death to the infidels and much worse - what happens? More or less naff all.

[Morgan.]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a 17 year old Neo-Nazi referred to as an Evil Punk.

[Liam-]

Top comment from the DM:

Meanwhile, hate preachers in the UK chant death to the infidels and much worse - what happens? More or less naff all.

Is there not a slight difference between saying something and actively planning to commit terror crimes?

[Kizzy]

Um.... I'm going into full snowflake mode on this :/

It just looks like the immature rantings of a loner kid to me, unless these plans were waaay more sophisticated than we see here and/ or he had made purchases of items to be used in an attack I can't see the reason for the sentence.

Those 'instructions' are made from information freely available CONTEST strategy and are well known targets requiring contingency planning.

Not saying there should be no action but putting young impressionable/ vulnerable mind into that environment? ...he comes out in his 20s and what?...

[Niamh.]

Um.... I'm going into full snowflake mode on this :/

It just looks like the immature rantings of a loner kid to me, unless these plans were waaay more sophisticated than we see here and/ or he had made purchases of items to be used in an attack I can't see the reason for the sentence.

Those 'instructions' are made from information freely available CONTEST strategy and are well known targets requiring contingency planning.

Not saying there should be no action but putting young impressionable/ vulnerable mind into that environment? ...he comes out in his 20s and what?...

Yeah have to say I kind of agree with you on that

[Jessica.]

There's obviously more to it if he was punished so harshly, he must have been serious about it.

[Oliver_W]

Um.... I'm going into full snowflake mode on this :/

It just looks like the immature rantings of a loner kid to me, unless these plans were waaay more sophisticated than we see here and/ or he had made purchases of items to be used in an attack I can't see the reason for the sentence.

Those 'instructions' are made from information freely available CONTEST strategy and are well known targets requiring contingency planning.

Not saying there should be no action but putting young impressionable/ vulnerable mind into that environment? ...he comes out in his 20s and what?...
Agreed. Plus, it says he was planning it for nearly two years, he'd have been like 15 when he started.

He's not so much a "neo-nazi" as a loner who needs to get laid is probably disenfranchised, bullied, failing at school etc. Locking him up for a stretch is only gonna make him worse, and he'll still be young and able when he's released.

Better off slapping an ankle tag on his, maybe prescribe therapy, take him to a youth group...

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6399437/Man-receives-three-years-rape-manslaughter-student.html

im not derailing but this man raped a women who was dying and got 3.5 years


and we are having a go at Cypriot Law?

its the scribblings of a disturbed kid

[Oliver_W]

Looking at his list of targets, he probably thinks of himself as an anarchist.

I'd bet dollars to donuts he has a t-shirt and/or poster of Che Guavara :joker:

[Kizzy]

In fact I'd go so far as to say this kid is a scapegoat, to be seen to be doing something about far right wing terrorism.
Is he 17 now or was he in March last year? The evidence they have was from th 2yrs prior... so when he was 14/15.
Its just a bit odd.

[Niamh.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6399437/Man-receives-three-years-rape-manslaughter-student.html

im not derailing but this man raped a women who was dying and got 3.5 years


and we are having a go at Cypriot Law?

its the scribblings of a disturbed kid

That happened in the States not the UK though but yeah rape and violence against women seems to be universally unimportant it seems. Horrific story though, that guy sounds absolutely psychotic, surely a danger to society in general not just women I would say

[Kizzy]

Agreed. Plus, it says he was planning it for nearly two years, he'd have been like 15 when he started.

He's not so much a "neo-nazi" as a loner who needs to get laid is probably disenfranchised, bullied, failing at school etc. Locking him up for a stretch is only gonna make him worse, and he'll still be young and able when he's released.

Better off slapping an ankle tag on his, maybe prescribe therapy, take him to a youth group...

lefty nonsense!! :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

how many kids do posters and then run out of room for all the words as in the first image?


:joker:

[Oliver_W]

lefty nonsense!! :fist:

Maybe it is, some of my views are left wing :shrug: and some are probably nonsense :joker:

I'm really against incarcerating people who aren't a threat to the public, and despite his demented crayon scribblings, I'd say he isn't.

[Oliver_W]

how many kids do posters and then run out of room for all the words as in the first image?


:joker:

What? I don't know if I've randomly had a stroke but this just looks like a string of random words tbh :joker:

[Saph]

I've never seen such posh yet tatty handwriting

[Kizzy]

Yep.. looks like it's written by someone older too to me, it's definately been copied from the internet or something what teenager would say 'scares/angers laymen'? ...

[Marsh.]

Pubs - angers laymen

:laugh2:

[Marsh.]

ATTA
-CK

Me doing a poster in primary school with the heading in bubble writing and running out of room.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The COOP - poor crisp selection

truth

[Oliver_W]

Yep.. looks like it's written by someone older too to me, it's definately been copied from the internet or something what teenager would say 'scares/angers laymen'? ...

it does sound older, but it also sounds like a teenager trying to be intellectual, if that makes sense? But yeah I lean more toward agreeing it was probably copied or at least influenced from another source.

[Kizzy]

Have you read the article? It's one of the things he was convicted for. Dissemination of terrorist publications. Mind you the mail have made a really convenient summary in the article of the potential targets listed. That was nice of them wasn't it?

[Cherie]

How is the passport office responsible for immigration :laugh:

[MTVN]

Um.... I'm going into full snowflake mode on this :/

It just looks like the immature rantings of a loner kid to me, unless these plans were waaay more sophisticated than we see here and/ or he had made purchases of items to be used in an attack I can't see the reason for the sentence.

Those 'instructions' are made from information freely available CONTEST strategy and are well known targets requiring contingency planning.

Not saying there should be no action but putting young impressionable/ vulnerable mind into that environment? ...he comes out in his 20s and what?...

It seems he was quite heavily involved with trying to source and develop weapons

His attack preparations included researching explosives and trying to obtain the dangerous chemical ammonium nitrate.

His trial heard he had visited websites on firearms and was in communication with a gun auctioneer.

After his arrest in March 2019, police found him in possession of instructions showing to make bombs and ricin - and that he had distributed firearms manuals online by uploading them to a neo-Nazi website.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-51022706

[Beso]

Internet enabled.

[Ammi]

...he was planning to carry out an arson spree targeting synagogues in the Durham area using Molotov cocktails...?...


“Speaking after sentencing, Det Ch Supt Martin Snowden from Durham Police said: "It is never an easy decision to investigate, to arrest and prosecute children of this age.
"We only do this when we think it is the last resort for us to go down that line.
"Prevention is always better than prosecution - we would have always preferred to engage earlier and divert him away from these beliefs and this activity."

[Crimson Dynamo]

lol, i bet he was

did they find said items in his house?

[Tom4784]

I wonder if there would be so much sympathy for the boy if he was an islamic terrorist and not 'just' a neo-nazi. You only have to look at America to know how much death and destruction an extremist teenager can unleash. He might not have been able to get his hands on a gun but he would have likely attempted an attack in some form. They don't jail teenagers on terrorism charges just for being misunderstood....

[Tom4784]

Top comment from the DM:

Meanwhile, hate preachers in the UK chant death to the infidels and much worse - what happens? More or less naff all.

Perfect example of whataboutism.

[Twosugars]

Radicalised online no doubt

[Kizzy]

It seems he was quite heavily involved with trying to source and develop weapons

In this article it states there was no targetted attacks planned so that's odd.
He had already been referred to PREVENT he was an autistic minor so who was at fault here... why was he given access to the internet given his obsession?
There were multiple failings here that for some reason it's thought will be amended by throwing him in jail :/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/synagogue-attack-durham-neo-nazi-teenager-jailed-terror-antisemitism-a9273696.html

[Kizzy]

I wonder if there would be so much sympathy for the boy if he was an islamic terrorist and not 'just' a neo-nazi. You only have to look at America to know how much death and destruction an extremist teenager can do. He might not have been able to get his hands on a gun he would have likely attempted an attack in some form. They don't jail teenagers on terrorism charges just for being misunderstood....

What about? ..

The view would be the same from me, yes teenagers can be extremists too this autistic young man was identified at 13, he was far from misunderstood, they were well aware of the threat he posed.

My thoughts are could something have been done sooner, and is prison the best place for him?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder if there would be so much sympathy for the boy if he was an islamic terrorist and not 'just' a neo-nazi. You only have to look at America to know how much death and destruction an extremist teenager can do. He might not have been able to get his hands on a gun he would have likely attempted an attack in some form. They don't jail teenagers on terrorism charges just for being misunderstood....

When you find a similar case, let the forum know

[Kizzy]

Radicalised online no doubt

On a forum... just your average innocent satanic nazi forum, no threat to anyone.

[Twosugars]

On a forum... just your average innocent satanic nazi forum, no threat to anyone.

I know.
These days when the far right tries to worm its way into the mainstream
online moderators must be vigilant everywhere