Over 170 die as 737 crashes in flames:"unintentionally" shot down from Tehran

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/airliner-with-180-people-on-board-crashes-after-taking-off-from-tehran-international-airport-11903445

This is not the war
but Tragic accident, it appears.


[Everyone on board a Ukrainian Boeing 737 died when it crashed shortly
after take off from Iran's main international airport,
according to Iran state television.
Iran's official news agency IRNA said there were at least
170 people on the plane when it came down due to technical problems
after leaving the Imam Khomeini airport in Tehran en route to Kiev.]

[Shaun]

Horrific timing, I hope it really is nothing to do with Iran/USA (even if it was an accidental kneejerk response on either part). Also hope it's nothing to do with Russia using an opportune moment to put further pressure on Ukraine.

[Ammi]

...the seconds it took for the plane to fall must have felt like a lifetime to those on board, those poor people...horrific...:sad:...

[Nicky91]

yes usually accident investigation boards don't reveal theories/findings immediately but now to prevent more drama, with the Iran/USA conflict, to rule out terrorist attack

i guess it is a good choice to do it differently this time

[Kizzy]

It was seen on fire before it fell, I really hope it was a failure of some sort :/

They didn't stand a chance :(

[user104658]

It sounds like an engine caught fire but one wonders if the airport it took off from is distracted with everything else going on in Iran, and it lead to someone or multiple people missing a problem with the aircraft?

[arista]

The Iranians have found the Black boxes,
But will not give it to Boeing
as Boeing refuse to allow Iran to buy parts
for their planes.
Due to the Sanctions.


Of Course they get the parts
in the end, from a 3rd nation seller
who can charge high prices.

[Beso]

It passed all its tests just 2 days ago..something smells if you ask me..
I know coincidences happen, but this one is to suspicious to think accident.

[arista]

It passed all its tests just 2 days ago..something smells if you ask me..
I know coincidences happen, but this one is to suspicious to think accident.




It was half full of Iranians
3 British died on the plane.

It could be a Engine problem
as they can occur any time.

[Livia]

That's quite the coincidence there...

[user104658]

That's quite the coincidence there...

OK so it was probably shot down by one or the other by accident (mistaken identity) but they've agreed that that wasn't an intended part of the narrative so it was engine failure OK?? I'm choosing to accept the comfortable lie because there's enough going on.

[Livia]

OK so it was probably shot down by one or the other by accident (mistaken identity) but they've agreed that that wasn't an intended part of the narrative so it was engine failure OK?? I'm choosing to accept the comfortable lie because there's enough going on.

Ts, you sound like you need a lie down x

[Kizzy]

OK so it was probably shot down by one or the other by accident (mistaken identity) but they've agreed that that wasn't an intended part of the narrative so it was engine failure OK?? I'm choosing to accept the comfortable lie because there's enough going on.

* hands ts some blinkers and 2 paracetomol.

[user104658]

Ts, you sound like you need a lie down x

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OrnateGraveAffenpinscher-max-1mb.gif

[Nicky91]

It was half full of Iranians
3 British died on the plane.

It could be a Engine problem
as they can occur any time.

yes especially if any maintenance work is lacklustre and rushed

[user104658]

yes especially if any maintenance work is lacklustre and rushed

That's what I'm telling myself Nicky... there's panic and confusion in Iran at the moment (especially places like airports) and someone dropped the ball.

Otherwise, it really does seem too much like a coincidence and was probably a military error of some sort.

[user104658]

Worth mentioning that the FAA have instructed civilian aircraft not to fly over the region specifically because of the risk of being mistaken for military. Just sayin'...

[The Slim Reaper]

Remember when a plane went down in NY a couple of weeks after 9/11? I'm always amazed we don't have more plane crashes,

[user104658]

Remember when a plane went down in NY a couple of weeks after 9/11? I'm always amazed we don't have more plane crashes,

TBF there's more than one a week, they're just more widely reported if there's other stuff going on so they seem more rare than they are.

Although to put THAT in perspective... there are over 1 million commercial flights a week so 2 major crashes a week is actually tiny in terms of risk.

[Kizzy]

Ukrainian Boeing 737*.... just sayin.

[MTVN]

Ukrainian Boeing 737*.... just sayin.

Just sayin what :think:

[Twosugars]

Ukrainian Boeing 737*.... just sayin.

It could be putin adding fuel to the fire. Hope not though.

[bots]

i dont believe in coincidence

[Crimson Dynamo]

i dont believe in coincidence

i was about to post that very comment

[Tom4784]

It's an incredible and tragic coincidence if it wasn't shot down, I expect it was shot down though, the timing is far too suspicious.

[Ammi]

Tributes have been paid to British victims who were among the 176 people that died in a plane crash in Iran.

The Ukraine International Airlines (UIA) 737-800 passenger plane crashed minutes into its journey from Imam Khomeini International Airport in Tehran to the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv.

Emergency officials told Iran’s state television it was “impossible” that those on board the Boeing 737 – believed to comprise 167 passengers and nine crew members – survived the crash.

Three British victims have been identified as Saeed Tahmasebi, an engineer for Laing O'Rouke, Sam Zokaei, who worked for BP, and Mohammed Reza Kadkhoda-Zadeh, who ran a dry cleaners in West Sussex.



Full story...
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-plane-crash-iran-tehran-072235919.html

[Kizzy]

It could be putin adding fuel to the fire. Hope not though.

Nope not him, trump is rather vengeful with people who cross him according to the interview posted the other day. Two birds one stone?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope not him, trump is rather vengeful with people who cross him according to the interview posted the other day. Two birds one stone?

I mean wtaf

[Kizzy]

I mean wtaf

Problem?

[arista]

The Pilot was going down into low housing
he managed to steer the Plan into the Field
saving it crashing into the homes.

Well done the Pilot Team.

Real sad
it appears the plane was on Fire.

[Beso]

The Pilot was going down into low housing
he managed to steer the Plan into the Field
saving it crashing into the homes.

Well done the Pilot Team.

Real sad
it appear the plane was on Fire.


The plane was on fire prior to impact...

[Beso]

It's an incredible and tragic coincidence if it wasn't shot down, I expect it was shot down though, the timing is far too suspicious.

Not shot down...Russia probably tested it and brought it down before it even got up in the air.

Edit
Probably shot down by mossad!

[arista]

[Ukraine's foreign minister Vadym Prystaiko said the flight
also included
82 Iranians,
11 Ukrainians,
10 people from Sweden,
four passengers from Afghanistan
and three from Germany.
The flight included many international students,
a family of four and newlyweds.
Nine members of crew and at
least 26 children were also on board,
according to the flight manifest.]

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-plane-crash-138-passengers-were-heading-to-canada-11904127

[Cherie]

[Ukraine's foreign minister Vadym Prystaiko said the flight
also included
82 Iranians,
11 Ukrainians,
10 people from Sweden,
four passengers from Afghanistan
and three from Germany.
The flight included many international students,
a family of four and newlyweds.
Nine members of crew and at
least 26 children were also on board,
according to the flight manifest.]

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-plane-crash-138-passengers-were-heading-to-canada-11904127

so many families devastated :sad:

[bots]

the most likely scenario is that it was an iranian defence surface to air missile that mistook it for an american attack

[Livia]

the most likely scenario is that it was an iranian defence surface to air missile that mistook it for an american attack

I agree.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pentagon have confirmed


it was shot down

[arista]

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[MTVN]

Looks like the Iranians shot it down accidentally

[bots]

the most likely scenario is that it was an iranian defence surface to air missile that mistook it for an american attack

:smug:

[Beso]

Looks like the Iranians shot it down accidentally

Accidentally on purpose.

[Ammi]

...a ripple effect of Trump’s assassination of Qassem Soleimani ...?...

[user104658]

the most likely scenario is that it was an iranian defence surface to air missile that mistook it for an american attack

Looks like the Iranians shot it down accidentally

:smug:

OK so it was probably shot down by one or the other by accident (mistaken identity) but they've agreed that that wasn't an intended part of the narrative so it was engine failure OK?? I'm choosing to accept the comfortable lie because there's enough going on.

:hmph:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Looks like the Iranians shot it down accidentally

This does not bode well for their up and coming games in WW3

[Denver]

If Iran shot it down then I expect a lot of International flights will be banned

[Samm]

If Iran accidentally or purposely shot it down then the blame should also be put on the US for starting this pointless conflict.

As what most conflicts/wars are use for, they’re used for money and power, and using innocent civilians as collateral damage

[Crimson Dynamo]

If Iran accidentally or purposely shot it down then the blame should also be put on the US for starting this pointless conflict.

As what most conflicts/wars are use for, they’re used for money and power, and using innocent civilians as collateral damage

er the chap they killed was about to blow up the US embassy in Iraq

would you want that to happen?

[Twosugars]

:hmph:

Good soldier! :hee:

[Twosugars]

If Iran shot it down then I expect a lot of International flights will be banned

What and if russia did or trump planes would be flying as if nothing happened? :laugh:

[Denver]

er the chap they killed was about to blow up the US embassy in Iraq

would you want that to happen?

The reason there is so much conflict is because of history which The US are very much part of.

It's not just about what happened the last few weeks but over the course of history why the conflict is happening

[Denver]

What and if russia did or trump planes would be flying as if nothing happened? :laugh:

Well right now all points to Iran and they are refusing to hand over vital information they have

[Samm]

er the chap they killed was about to blow up the US embassy in Iraq

would you want that to happen?

Only Trump has claimed this.. not the most reliable source.

The reason there is so much conflict is because of history which The US are very much part of.

It's not just about what happened the last few weeks but over the course of history why the conflict is happening

Exactly, it’s also strange this happens to occur on the year the election is in the USA, like what I said civilian life’s up for disposal for power by multi billion leaders.

[Ammi]

If Iran accidentally or purposely shot it down then the blame should also be put on the US for starting this pointless conflict.

As what most conflicts/wars are use for, they’re used for money and power, and using innocent civilians as collateral damage

...yeah, the responsibility for life loss lays with Donald Trump also...

[Crimson Dynamo]

...yeah, the responsibility for life loss lays with Donald Trump also...

why?

[Crimson Dynamo]

[QUOTE=Samm;10751314]Only Trump has claimed this.. not the most reliable source.



/QUOTE]

its a statement from the USA, based on USA military intel. Are you suggesting you know better?

what are your sources??

[arista]

Infra red blips

[Iran plane crash: USA officials 'confident' plane shot down by Iranian missile]

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-plane-crash-downing-street-looking-into-reports-ukrainian-jet-was-shot-down-by-missile-11904698


There are photos of a Missile bits
being checked
Ref: Ch4HD news

[Ammi]

Only Trump has claimed this.. not the most reliable source.



Exactly, it’s also strange this happens to occur on the year the election is in the USA, like what I said civilian life’s up for disposal for power by multi billion leaders.

...He claimed lots of things, gave lots of reasons...I don’t know if you saw him speak..?...but it was difficult to follow any reasoning at all, his direction went in too many places and too many ‘justifications’ were given for his actions...but he has big weapons apparently ...much bigger than Iran...

[arista]

[QUOTE=Samm;10751314]Only Trump has claimed this.. not the most reliable source.



/QUOTE]

its a statement from the USA, based on USA military intel. Are you suggesting you know better?

what are your sources??


Experts in Canada
also say its a Missile

There was infra red blips

[Ammi]

...(...for Samm..)...Donald Trump’s statement if you haven’t seen it...(...with his many justifications for the assassination...)...


BocBSSjzeXo


....this is an interesting Guardian article as well...


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/09/donald-trump-rant-iran-dying-empire-nato

[Crimson Dynamo]

that video from the failing guardian does not work

[Crimson Dynamo]

oop now it does

apolz

[arista]

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[user104658]

USA and Iran playing war games and 176 innocent people get caught in the crossfire. There will be tens of thousands more if it escalates, of course.

[Samm]

...He claimed lots of things, gave lots of reasons...I don’t know if you saw him speak..?...but it was difficult to follow any reasoning at all, his direction went in too many places and too many ‘justifications’ were given for his actions...but he has big weapons apparently ...much bigger than Iran...

I’ve seen clips ammi, but I just refuse to watch him mostly :laugh: not surprised though he’s always talking about weapons rather then ways to negotiate peace

[Samm]

[QUOTE=LeatherTrumpet;10751328]


Experts in Canada
also say its a Missile

There was infra red blips

I was discussing the embassy not the plane situation

[Samm]

...(...for Samm..)...Donald Trump’s statement if you haven’t seen it...(...with his many justifications for the assassination...)...


BocBSSjzeXo


....this is an interesting Guardian article as well...


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/09/donald-trump-rant-iran-dying-empire-nato

thanks ammi! I’ll have a read of that guardian article!

[bots]

USA and Iran playing war games and 176 innocent people get caught in the crossfire. There will be tens of thousands more if it escalates, of course.

Nearly 300 dead so far and it's nothing more than gesturing at the moment. There is much worse to come yet before this is resolved.

[Ammi]

USA and Iran playing war games and 176 innocent people get caught in the crossfire. There will be tens of thousands more if it escalates, of course.

...and over 50 people crushed to death at the funeral of Qassem Soleimani because of the ripple affect of Trump’s action ...these are real people with loved ones grieving them...Trump speaks of his might and power and my guns are bigger than your guns...but not once has he paid any respect to the life losses he has taken part in creating or the families of the dead...some lives seem to have a very low value...

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/183C1/production/_110456299_i-10-jan.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/016D/production/_110456300_financial-times-10-jan.jpg

[arista]

How Crazy of Iran
to use a Bulldozer
to clear the site.

Ground Investigation needs to be done
not bulldoze the land

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

How Crazy of Iran
to use a Bulldozer
to clear the site.

Ground Investigation needs to be done
not bulldoze the land

the country is in turmoil due to disastrous religious leaders and the fact the USA has put proper sanctions on them, and it will get worse as their economy is in the toilet

i predict a people revolt

[Beso]

...and over 50 people crushed to death at the funeral of Qassem Soleimani because of the ripple affect of Trump’s action ...these are real people with loved ones grieving them...Trump speaks of his might and power and my guns are bigger than your guns...but not once has he paid any respect to the life losses he has taken part in creating or the families of the dead...some lives seem to have a very low value...



No video of the crush..or funerals of the dead.


Load off rubbish if you ask me, like the tears at the funeral from the leaders

[arista]

At last
The Iranians now admit it was Shot down in Error.


https://news.sky.com/story/iran-admits-it-unintentionally-shot-down-ukrainian-passenger-jet-11905884

[Ammi]

...those poor, poor people and their loved ones...

[user104658]

There's blame all round in this tbh. The military mis-identifying the plane and having an itchy trigger finger, both sides for playing war games in the first place / Trump with the threats that had them so riled up and reactionary... and really... the fact that civilian flights were taking off at all?? The risk of something like this was huge - flights should all have been grounded.

[arista]

There's blame all round in this tbh. The military mis-identifying the plane and having an itchy trigger finger, both sides for playing war games in the first place / Trump with the threats that had them so riled up and reactionary... and really... the fact that civilian flights were taking off at all?? The risk of something like this was huge - flights should all have been grounded.


Sure Trump rolled back on threats to
Cultural Sites , though.

Its a Massive Error
by Iran Army.

[Beso]

Such an embarrassment for the Iranians. .how inept have they shown themselves to be..

[Nicky91]

Such an embarrassment for the Iranians. .how inept have they shown themselves to be..

america did the same to Iran, quite some years ago as i remember correctly, the US Vincennes who shot down that Iran Air jet, who had mistaken it for a F-14 fighter

within panic, chaos, stress in a conflict you can make these errors unfortunately

[Crimson Dynamo]

america did the same to Iran, quite some years ago as i remember correctly, the US Vincennes who shot down that Iran Air jet, who had mistaken it for a F-14 fighter

within panic, chaos, stress in a conflict you can make these errors unfortunately

you are correct Nicky I recall this horrible event

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/17AA/production/_110485060_guardian.jpg

[Tom4784]

Mistakes have been made all round, there should be no commercial flights in such a tense situation, the US shouldn't have escalated things to this point and Iran shouldn't have had an itchy trigger finger.

I'm glad that the Iranian people are making their voices heard though and that they are getting coverage. If this was back in the early 2000's, the media would be pushing the narrative that the public would have supported the government in their actions.

[arista]

Mistakes have been made all round, there should be no commercial flights in such a tense situation, the US shouldn't have escalated things to this point and Iran shouldn't have had an itchy trigger finger.

I'm glad that the Iranian people are making their voices heard though and that they are getting coverage. If this was back in the early 2000's, the media would be pushing the narrative that the public would have supported the government in their actions.


Yes this time the Armed Iranian Police
have been told not to kill them.

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

The only thing Trump is watching is his poll numbers, or his staff are at least while he golfs all day and vomits all over Twitter like a sterotypical bitchy teenager in a teen film.

[arista]

Trump is hoping the Iranian Public
get rid of the Leaders.

[Niamh.]

"The world is watching. More importantly the USA is watching"

Arrogant idiot

[Tom4784]

Trump is hoping the Iranian Public
get rid of the Leaders.

Trump's hoping his warhawk impression and shallow words gives him an edge over Bernie. He doesn't give a **** about Iran unless it benefits his chances of getting re-elected and staying out of prison.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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:clap1:

a shot across their bows