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[Crimson Dynamo]

markle thread

[Tom4784]

Meghan would never have gotten the hate she's gotten if it wasn't for her race. I don't blame them for wanting out of a toxic news cycle that holds blame for Diana's death, the UK media is utter trash.

[Tom4784]

Isnt America more racist?

What does that have to do with the UK media or Canada?

[Tom4784]

the progressive couple stated that they would share time with the UK and USA

oh wait when they said N America did they exclusively mean Canada? :think:

where its still racist but no where near as bad

They made a point of saying Toronto, I believe.

Canada is incomparable to the US given that it's a liberal country of liberal values. Racism is everywhere but they are less likely to encounter the same vitiriol there then in the US or UK.

[Oliver_W]

What makes people think anyone had a problem with her race? I always got the impression it was more about her being a divorced American actress who was always flouting tradition?

[user104658]

What makes people think anyone had a problem with her race? I always got the impression it was more about her being a divorced American actress who was always flouting tradition?

I think some people probably do have an issue with her race - however I do personally think that in Meghan's case, it's mostly about her being American. Nor enough of an "English Rose". Not enough like Kate. Not "good blood". It's still xenophobia though - whether it's about her ethnicity or her nationality.

[Kazanne]

What makes people think anyone had a problem with her race? I always got the impression it was more about her being a divorced American actress who was always flouting tradition?

This tbh, I don't know why the race card is being rolled out so much.

[Cherie]

This tbh, I don't know why the race card is being rolled out so much.

It makes it easy for people with no imagination

[Cherie]

the whole secret christening/archie pictures/god parents thing pissed off the GBP a LOT ,more than the fact she has a mum who is black i think

Not to mention whining about their lot during their tour of South Africa, just minutes after showing footage of girls taking self defence lessons so they could defend themselves again rape

[thesheriff443]

the whole secret christening/archie pictures/god parents thing pissed off the GBP a LOT ,more than the fact she has a mum who is black i think

True and the fact she came in and was like a diva with her demands to palace staff.

With Harry saying what Megan wants Megan gets.

[bots]

i remember when Fergie appeared on the scene ... a white, british girl of good breeding stock. The press were relentless in criticising her for her looks, her weight and her behaviour. It's what the press do. I even remember pictures they took of Diana saying how fat she was (someone they knew had an eating disorder) Meghan has not had it worse

[Liam-]

When the palace had to put out official statements condemning the racism she was receiving, I find it hard to imagine how people can deny any racism being involved in the ‘criticism’ of her

[Liam-]

Yes that a social media like twitter that allows racism

So you acknowledge that she was criticised by people with racism at the centre of it then? Glad we got that cleared up

[Kazanne]

So you acknowledge that she was criticised by people with racism at the centre of it the ? Glad we got that cleared up

Its not a competition on who is right and who is wrong , some people like her , others don't,some people will racist but I really don't think that is why the press go after her, I think it's a number of things other than race. I don't why it has to be focused on all the time , not everyone is racist that don't like her.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1215547841483018242/EZLTrLK0?format=jpg&name=small

[Marsh.]

Rich woman wears expensive clothes.

Any other earth shattering news Arista?

[Nicky91]

with foorbanks, Austrity and the NHS on its knees her outfits and their HUGE cost are a kick in the teeth for the average proud working British family.

Often you see Kate in the same cloths and she gets stuff from Primark too

only the best for Kate of course, since she comes from the Middletons who are upper class too

[Marsh.]

It makes it easy for people with no imagination

Or makes it harder for the people who think Royals must all look and sound like Kate.

[Marsh.]

"They only get hate from us because they whine"

Erm, they got hate from day 1, hence the "whining".

[Cherie]

only the best for Kate of course, since she comes from the Middletons who are upper class too

Kate’s mother was an air hostess and they run a party business, they are not upper class

Doors to manual was one of the great jokes wheeled out every time the Middletons turned up at a Royal do

[Marsh.]

Often you see Kate in the same cloths and she gets stuff from Primark too

How DARE Meghan, the actress who earned thousands of dollars for every episode of Suits over a 7 year period, spend her money on whatever she wants. HOW DARE SHE!!!

[Twosugars]

Meghan's own wealth is estimated at around 4 million.
Harry got 7 mln from diana's estate plus some from queen mother's

[Marsh.]

i would doubt she has paid for an item of clothing since she married

Well I'm sure she cares what you "doubt" she has done.


meanwhile Australia burns

:(

What have you done to help Australia?

[Cherie]

Meghan's own wealth is estimated at around 4 million.
Harry got 7 mln from diana's estate plus some from queen mother's

Charles pays 5 million to keep both sons households per annum, the sums above won’t last long, they really will need to do the chat show circuit if he pulls the plug

[Marsh.]

Charles pays 5 million to keep both sons households per annum

Oh no, Charles handing out his own handouts. :(

[Twosugars]

Well I'm sure she cares what you "doubt" she has done.



What have you done to help Australia?

Now don't be too harsh there Marsh
He created a thread pushing conspiracy theories about the fires :laugh:

[Twosugars]

Charles pays 5 million to keep both sons households per annum, the sums above won’t last long, they really will need to do the chat show circuit if he pulls the plug

There are many ways they can earn

But they will have to be careful what they choose.

They copyrighted RoyalSussex already


Here is a bit on that
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/09/prince-harry-meghan-decision

[Cherie]

There are many ways they can earn

But they will have to be careful what they choose.

They copyrighted RoyalSussex already


Here is a bit on that
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/09/prince-harry-meghan-decision

Yep the have copyrighted their brand on everything from pens to pjs, if the do go down the celebrity route they will be open to alot of unwanted press attention so it would be a strange decision

[Marsh.]

an estimated £34m ($44m) fortune from the duchess of sussex’s tv earnings

how dare she wear expensive clothes!!!!

[The Slim Reaper]

Where was all this concern for public spending when the government were spunking £100m on a no deal propaganda campaign?

[Marsh.]

"The royal family's pocket" doesn't even always translate to public spending either.

Outrage for outrage's sake.

I'd like to know how anyone knows who bought any piece of clothing worn by any of the Royals. In the words of Whitney Houston, I wanna see the receipts.

[Twosugars]

Yep the have copyrighted their brand on everything from pens to pjs, if the do go down the celebrity route they will be open to alot of unwanted press attention so it would be a strange decision

Agree.
If they want to be taken seriously they need to go for something worthwile

[Marsh.]

Piers has accused

Of course he has.

[AnnieK]

Meghan has been spotted wearing extremely expensive brands

Meghan doesn’t shy away from expensive brands. She’s worn coats that were well over $1,000, and that’s on the lower end. When Meghan first stepped out alone with the queen, she was wearing a custom $18,000 Givenchy dress. She wore a $10,000 Dior dress to an event, and paired it with shoes and earrings that cost a combined $102,000. Meghan definitely doesn’t shy away from expensive clothing and accessories. She even had two wedding dresses, the first of which was a custom Givenchy that cost a staggering $135,000.

Everything she wears is out of the royal family’s pocket

It would make sense that designers would offer free clothing to the royals. After all, there is almost no bigger platform to promote a clothing brand than with the world’s most well-known family. But unfortunately, royal rules prohibit Meghan from taking any clothes for free. That means those custom Givenchy dresses were paid for out of pocket by the family. And Meghan was wearing strikingly expensive outfits even before she and Harry were married. The money from the clothes comes from Harry’s income, which isn’t as high as you might think. According to People, he drew all his necessary living expenses for the year from a fund of about $4.8 million.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/does-meghan-markle-get-clothes-free.html/

Kate also had two wedding dresses and her main dress was considerably more expensive than Meghans.

The jewellery she wears is often loaned by the queen

[The Slim Reaper]

This Piers?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN1ePGZWoAAhEV3.jpg

[Twosugars]

Piers Morgan was up her arse until he didnt get an invite to the wedding

Heres a bit on that from a Guardian columnist

The Mail’s columnist Piers Morgan maintained the completely sane and normal tone for which he has become known when it comes to Meghan: “Who the ****** do they think they are?” he began and escalated from there. “Nobody tells the Queen what to do,” he huffed, only to decree, sentences later: “Get rid of these whining, ego-crazed, deluded leeches, Ma’am.” Of course, Morgan’s column makes reference to the seismic, nay, legendary time he met Meghan for half a drink, an encounter that in Morgan’s mind has achieved mythic proportions, only to become symbolic to him when afterwards she, bafflingly, decided against continuing their friendship. “She’s an unsavoury, manipulative, social-climbing piece of work,” Morgan raged, displaying his usual capacity for self-awareness. Stats: Morgan has written precisely two columns on Prince Andrew’s friendship with the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. He has written so many on Meghan – who, lest we forget, committed the worse-than-paedophilia crime of not inviting Morgan to her wedding – that my browser crashed.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/09/no-wonder-harry-and-meghan-are-quitting-the-rightwing-press-and-their-families-left-them-no-choice

[Twosugars]

Kate also had two wedding dresses and her main dress was considerably more expensive than Meghans.

The jewellery she wears is often loaned by the queen

Plus Harry, like William, inherited Diana's jewellery

[Marsh.]

Kate is perfect, has nothing to do with her husband being in line to throne and needing to act a certain way of course.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN6CBzFXUAAxZOo?format=jpg&name=medium

[LukeB]

Why are we comparing Kate and Meghan, when they are two different people. I don't know why i asked this because it's obvious because they're both women. People sure love to compare women and pit them against each other.

[Twosugars]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN6CBzFXUAAxZOo?format=jpg&name=medium

:joker:

The level of "journalism "

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN6CBzFXUAAxZOo?format=jpg&name=medium

Trolling :joker:

[Daniel-X]

This tbh, I don't know why the race card is being rolled out so much.

Kensington Palace released an official statement telling people to stop giving Meghan racial abuse. It’s not a ‘card’.

[Beso]

Seriously. ..


Who ****ing cares:shrug:

[Oliver_W]

This Piers?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN1ePGZWoAAhEV3.jpg

Morgan said the issue was race-baiting, not constat media coverage.

[rusticgal]

The race card comes out all too easily....Fergie and Diana were abused in the same way ffs...

[Marsh.]

Seriously. ..


Who ****ing cares:shrug:

LeatherTrumpet, obviously.

[Marsh.]

The race card comes out all too easily....Fergie and Diana were abused in the same way ffs...

Really? "The People's Princess" Diana Spencer got the same treatment as Meghan?

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:: joker:

[Beso]

Really? "The People's Princess" Diana Spencer got the same treatment as Meghan?

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:: joker:

Yeah she did....did you think she wanted all that attention, the pressure, the spotlight. .? ..

[Marsh.]

Yeah she did....did you think she wanted all that attention, the pressure, the spotlight. .? ..

No, she didn't.

I never said she wanted the attention but to suggest she got as much sh*t from the public as Meghan and Harry have put up with is false.

[Beso]

No, she didn't.

I never said she wanted the attention but to suggest she got as much sh*t from the public as Meghan and Harry have put up with is false.

Oh...she left because of the public...?

Well screw you Meghan. :fist:

[Marsh.]

Oh...she left because of the public...?

Well screw you Meghan. :fist:

Well, partly, yes. Having to ask the public to stop racially abusing his wife will have an effect.

[Mystic Mock]

Why was her cookbook being associated with terrorism?:laugh:

[Twosugars]

Why was her cookbook being associated with terrorism?:laugh:

Bigotry and racism

[Marsh.]

You don't remember Diana. Why pretend?

You don't remember your own name. Put the drink down.

[Mystic Mock]

Bigotry and racism

Still that's a new one in the "how to be horrible about Meghan" list.:joker:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN8kwB2XUAICM06?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Ammi]

...Fergie and Diana were not abused in the same way because they weren’t subjected to racial abuse, so it wouldn’t have been possible for them to have been...racial abuse is entirely separate from scrutiny and other types of criticism, it’s very specific...it isn’t a ‘card’, it’s a fact of life for some...and it was something that Meghan was subjected to...I do though think that doesn’t mean, that all and any scrutiny and criticism was ‘because of her heritage’...so it’s separating those things...but racial abuse is an ‘add on/an extra’ that Meghan and Harry have had to endure, as well as the intense media scrutiny that Royals have and that others have similarly gone through...

[Volkanovski]

I think the problem is that Harry is a total idiot, and never makes a good decision.

[Livia]

Apart from the monkey picture in post one of this thread which finished Danny Baker... and the racist jewellery/Princess Michael of Kent story.... which is years old... what racist abuse has Meghan Markle encountered, I wonder. She's successful not because she's a particularly gifted actress but because she's great looking, she's privileged, she's been made a Duchess and she'll cling on to that even when Harry's history, she's married to a prince (right now).... what is it that upsetting her, exactly?

This reminds me of women who marry soldiers and policemen and then moan about their jobs.

[jet]

Apart from the monkey picture in post one of this thread which finished Danny Baker... and the racist jewellery/Princess Michael of Kent story.... which is years old... what racist abuse has Meghan Markle encountered, I wonder. She's successful not because she's a particularly gifted actress but because she's great looking, she's privileged, she's been made a Duchess and she'll cling on to that even when Harry's history, she's married to a prince (right now).... what is it that upsetting her, exactly?

This reminds me of women who marry soldiers and policemen and then moan about their jobs.

Nobody come up with anything yet? Either put up proof or shut up, really. :shrug:

[Twosugars]

Nobody come up with anything yet? Either put up proof or shut up, really. :shrug:

You can order people about at home if they let you, not here

[jet]

You can order people about at home if they let you, not here

So you have nothing then? :laugh:

[arista]

I think the problem is that Harry is a total idiot, and never makes a good decision.



He is learning Fast
Good he can Talk to Charles and the Queen
with Meghan in Canada,

[Ammi]

...I’m not sure what the ‘demand for proof’ when the palace statement that was issued in the early days of their relationship was specific about the racial undertones toward Meghan and some of her family ...that was before their engagement or marriage...there are many articles obviously...but this is quite an interesting one, which touches on the differences between reporting on her mum versus reporting on her dad...just a little bit from it...but the full article is there...




As a successful, mixed-race woman from California, Markle became the media’s new punchbag, and her family weren’t spared media intrusions either. The contrast in treatment towards each of her divorced parents, however, was glaring: dog-whistles for her black mother, and sympathy for her white father. In her time in the public eye, Markle’s mother Doria Ragland has been a picture of dignity, yet was still the constant victim of coded racism, in the form of inaccurate references to slavery and gang violence. Meghan’s father, Thomas Markle, was gifted a little more empathy by the tabloids, often portrayed as a lovable rogue disowned by his “heartless” daughter, even though he repeatedly betrayed and embarrassed her on the international stage. All the while, this racist and sensationalist reporting stoked tensions on social media, and bigots and trolls felt vindicated in their racism.

Reflecting on the unfortunate series of events that have unfolded around Markle, there is much we can learn about the current state of racism in this country.
Critics have argued that Markle knew what she was signing up for, and should have been more prepared. But the onus should not be on people of colour to swallow racism – an assertion rooted in victim-blaming culture: where the minority on the receiving end of abuse is supposed to rise above everything in order to maintain decorum, while the abusers are free to spew whatever they wish. After seeing what they had to say, I can’t help but wonder if Markle, a former successful actor who was largely palatable to an overwhelmingly white media, can be harassed into stepping away from the crown, then how might the public react to someone with less privilege than her?

It seems that much of Britain desperately wants to be absolved its racist history without doing any work to combat racism – treating marginalisation and discrimination like imagined annoyances not worth confronting. But looking at the fate of a royal couple that was supposed to symbolise progression and a supposedly “post-racial” British society, it seems clear that there is still much work to be done.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/11/post-racial-britain-harry-meghan-tabloids



...anyways, there isn’t really anywhere else to go with this, other than in circles...so there isn’t much more to say...’racist undertones’ as the palace so royally put it...:laugh:...is something separate from other scrutinies/judgements/criticisms etc that others have gone through...it’s obviously inaccurate to think or say that everyone who has disapproved/disliked Meghan is racist or bigoted...but it’s equally inaccurate to think or say that racism/bigotry has not been a factor at all...

[Marsh.]

Nobody come up with anything yet? Either put up proof or shut up, really. :shrug:

So you spend 2 pages explaining how you're not sharing your sources whilst telling other people to either provide them or shut up. Logical.

[Kazanne]

Are we allowed to say 'black' now ? blimey Tibb make your mind up, Their dilemma has very little to do with race , That card is rolled out everytime someone of colour loses a game or isn't liked for various other reasons, there is no need for it , it spoils every thread.

[Marsh.]

Are we allowed to say 'black' now ? blimey Tibb make your mind up, Their dilemma has very little to do with race , That card is rolled out everytime someone of colour loses a game or isn't liked for various other reasons, there is no need for it , it spoils every thread.

What are you on about? Who said you can't use the word "black"? You're moving the goalposts of the discussion.

The fact you find racism so trivial you think POC use it over losing a game is far more troubling.

[Liam-]

When have people not been allowed to say black?

[Kazanne]

What are you on about? Who said you can't use the word "black"? You're moving the goalposts of the discussion.

The fact you find racism so trivial you think POC use it over losing a game is far more troubling.

Ask one of the mods

[Marsh.]

Ask one of the mods

Have you been infracted for saying "black" or something?

[Marsh.]

so is a black person the same as a POC and why is person of colour now ok but coloured person isnt?

All black people are POC. Not all POC are black, do you see the distinction?

[Kazanne]

Have you been infracted for saying "black" or something?

Yes,but will probably get another one now as we are not supposed to discuss infractions.:shrug:

[Marsh.]

Yes,but will probably get another one now as we are not supposed to discuss infractions.:shrug:

I very much doubt you did Kazanne.

[Niamh.]

Yes,but will probably get another one now as we are not supposed to discuss infractions.:shrug:

I'm sorry but I really need to clarify this. You were not infracted for using the word black and you know it because it's not the first time you've brought that infraction up. You were infracted because of the back handed "compliment" you were giving to that black man, it was really insulting and stereotyping other black people. Nothing to do with the word black itself

[Kazanne]

I'm sorry but I really need to clarify this. You were not infracted for using the word black and you know it because it's not the first time you've brought that infraction up. You were infracted because of the back handed "compliment" you were giving to that black man, it was really insulting and stereotyping other black people. Nothing to do with the word black itself

Well that wasn't explained in the infraction was it,as far as I was concerned it was the use of the 'black' word

[Kazanne]

I very much doubt you did Kazanne.

Well you know best don't you Marsh !!

[Niamh.]

Well that wasn't explained in the infraction was it,as far as I was concerned it was the use of the 'black' word

It may not have been but certainly was explained to you the last time you brought it up

[Marsh.]

ok but what about the person of colour and coloured person?

Are you asking me to do some research on language and how it's evolved on your behalf?

[Kazanne]

It may not have been but certainly was explained to you the last time you brought it up

was it ? your memory is better than mine then.

[Marsh.]

Well you know best don't you Marsh !!

I know that you weren't infracted for saying "black"?

I guess I do.

[Kazanne]

I know that you weren't infracted for saying "black"?

I guess I do.

Do you have access to so called Pms then ?

[Marsh.]

so you dont know, neither do I

i think its to do with a coloured person was just a black person but a POC is anyone who isnt white so some such thing

but as I recall when coloured person was in use we used it for Indians and Pakistanis as well so it mabe cant be that

:shrug:

I know. I'm just not in the habit of doing your research for you when you feign ignorance on the topic.

[Marsh.]

Do you have access to so called Pms then ?

Erm.... Niamh literally just explained your infraction on the previous page. To claim you were chastised for using the word black is false.

[Marsh.]

Good one LT. :thumbs:

[Kazanne]

Erm.... Niamh literally just explained your infraction on the previous page. To claim you were chastised for using the word black is false.

Yes she explained on the forum, but obviously I saw it as an infraction for calling someone black,it was so long ago I don't even remember the details of the post, so if I had understood fully,i would have left it at that, I wouldn't have brought it up again,I am still not sure what I said that was wrong but a PM to me would have explained exactly what was wrong,I may have missed the post :shrug: all I know is in my opinion I was pulled up for using the word black,but no good explaining really, some people just like that negative vibe.

[Marsh.]

Yes she explained on the forum, but obviously I saw it as an infraction for calling someone black,it was so long ago I don't even remember the details of the post, so if I had understood fully,i would have left it at that, I wouldn't have brought it up again,I am still not sure what I said that was wrong but a PM to me would have explained exactly what was wrong,I may have missed the post :shrug: all I know is in my opinion I was pulled up for using the word black,but no good explaining really, some people just like that negative vibe.

Kaz, you brought it up. That's no one else's fault.

[Kazanne]

Kaz, you brought it up. That's no one else's fault.

I didn't say it was ,I was just explaining how I saw it and not being false at all, sometimes things get taken the wrong way.It's been sorted now anyway.

[Oliver_W]

ok but what about the person of colour and coloured person?

When my apocryphal bigoted uncles talks about "queers and coloured people", progressives might think he's being inclusive :joker:

[Twosugars]

No one has ever been infracted during my time as a mod for describing someone as 'black', if they followed it up with an insult to make out that being black was a negative, then sure, that would be infracted but not one of the mods, past or present, would infract a forum member for calling someone black because it's not offensive.

To make out that you've been infracted for that suggests you aren't telling the whole truth.

Indeed. A ridiculous idea.

[GoldHeart]

The fact that ignorant idiots like Danny Baker will post a picture of a chimpanzee and immediately backpedal.

Claiming he had no clue about the royal baby & the ethnic background :facepalm: , just shows there's no hope really as excuses will always be made & people will always deny it :bored:.

[GoldHeart]

No hope of what?

Of people admitting that Meghan has been treated in the worst way possible because of her race & nationality .

[GoldHeart]

we had a national holiday when she got married, thousands lined the streets?

did you miss that bit:shrug:

:notimpressed: Let's ignore the hate she's received shall we .

[Marsh.]

we had a national holiday when she got married, thousands lined the streets?

did you miss that bit:shrug:

Aww, people enjoyed a day off almost 2 years ago. That makes it alright then.

[Marsh.]

I think it would be reaching a bit if every member cannot recall Megan being greeted by cheering crowds anyplace she turns up in the UK since she started dating Harry

Yes, there are some nice people. Shame about the racists, pricks and the likes of Piers Morgan vilifying them for nothing.

[Marsh.]

i really dont think they watch GMB so i would not worry

Yes, GMB is the only media outlet in the country. Good one LT :thumbs:

[Marsh.]

"Yes, there are some nice people. Shame about the racists, pricks and the likes of Piers Morgan vilifying them for nothing."

if they get racist tweets i very much doubt they ever get to see them as they have a team of people who vet social media

"the likes of Piers Morgan" first led you to the conclusion that GMB is the only news source and now something to do with twitter? :conf:


....Good one LT :thumbs:

[AnnieK]

we had a national holiday when she got married, thousands lined the streets?

did you miss that bit:shrug:

They got married on a saturday....it wasnt a national holiday :shrug:

[Marsh.]

they dont

they dont

They wont

how are they being exposed to this alleged racism?

You tell me, you clearly know them on an intimate level.

[Liam-]

"Yes, there are some nice people. Shame about the racists, pricks and the likes of Piers Morgan vilifying them for nothing."

if they get racist tweets i very much doubt they ever get to see them as they have a team of people who vet social media

She got sent a letter by someone declaring white power and the police had to investigate it as a hate crime, she definitely saw the racism

[AnnieK]

i thought we got a BH out of it on the MOnday?

No there was calls for it but we didn't get it. Think we did for william and kates though

[Marsh.]

I touched the Queens handbag in 1977 (in Cumbernauld)

lets just leave it at that shall we...

So did Prince Andrew and look what's happened to him.

[Marsh.]

No there was calls for it but we didn't get it. Think we did for william and kates though

Most people did. I have a knack for choosing jobs where I was working regardless. :hmph:

[Kazanne]

Megan doesn't want to ever live here again according to this article,I wonder how much is true as didnt they say they were splitting thier time between Canada and UK.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/lifestylebuzz/exclusive-meghan-markle-has-the-full-support-of-mom-doria-ragland-after-being-miserable-having-anxiety-attacks-and-struggling-after-archies-birth-as-duchess-confides-she-has-no-intention-of-ever-returning-to-the-uk-to-live/ar-BBYUvPW?ocid=spartanntp

[Kazanne]

I think that when only 1 member of her family turned up at her wedding alarm bells should have rung like Big Ben....

With comments like these,its hard to believe anything the press says.
It was reported over the weekend that Meghan had told Harry she must step away from the royal family, partly blaming William and telling Harry over Christmas: 'It's not working for me', according to the Times. But on Monday, Harry and William denied there is a rift between them in a joint statement

[LukeB]

Megan doesn't want to ever live here again according to this article,I wonder how much is true as didnt they say they were splitting thier time between Canada and UK.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/lifestylebuzz/exclusive-meghan-markle-has-the-full-support-of-mom-doria-ragland-after-being-miserable-having-anxiety-attacks-and-struggling-after-archies-birth-as-duchess-confides-she-has-no-intention-of-ever-returning-to-the-uk-to-live/ar-BBYUvPW?ocid=spartanntp

Don't blame her

[Marsh.]

Megan doesn't want to ever live here again according to this article,I wonder how much is true as didnt they say they were splitting thier time between Canada and UK.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/lifestylebuzz/exclusive-meghan-markle-has-the-full-support-of-mom-doria-ragland-after-being-miserable-having-anxiety-attacks-and-struggling-after-archies-birth-as-duchess-confides-she-has-no-intention-of-ever-returning-to-the-uk-to-live/ar-BBYUvPW?ocid=spartanntp

Splitting their time during the transition period as they no doubt have a lot of engagements to fulfil. Once that's over though they will move permanently.

Of course they'll probably have a home in London as they have a personal life here too.

[rusticgal]

This tbh, I don't know why the race card is being rolled out so much.

It seems that if someone is a person of colour and they are not liked it’s because you are racist. However dislike a white person for the same reasons it’s simply because they are not liked...:laugh:

[Marsh.]

We have a caravan in Andrews

Oh I bet you do.

[Marsh.]

It seems that if someone is a person of colour and they are not liked it’s because you are racist.

No, the racism is racist.

[Twosugars]

With comments like these,its hard to believe anything the press says.
It was reported over the weekend that Meghan had told Harry she must step away from the royal family, partly blaming William and telling Harry over Christmas: 'It's not working for me', according to the Times. But on Monday, Harry and William denied there is a rift between them in a joint statement

The times should stop spreading gossip. They were told today, next time it will be in court if they're not careful

[Kizzy]

The papers only know what their flaky informants feed them... yet it's seen by some as gospel.
Never understood that.

[Cherie]

With comments like these,its hard to believe anything the press says.
It was reported over the weekend that Meghan had told Harry she must step away from the royal family, partly blaming William and telling Harry over Christmas: 'It's not working for me', according to the Times. But on Monday, Harry and William denied there is a rift between them in a joint statement

They didn’t deny a rift, they denied Harry was being bullied by William which was reported in the mail today


Harry confirmed they had grown apart in an interview he gave to ITV during the South African tour

[GiRTh]

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‘white privilege whitewashes racist and inflammatory language as unconscious bias. It perpetuates the bigotry of intolerant white people as ignorant, it defends and protects their private views once spoken as misspeak, and then it camoflages racist behaviour as error of judgement.’

[GiRTh]

And there we go off the precipiseReally? How so?

[Oliver_W]

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How are white people meant to "educate" themselves if black people don't need to chip in? Surely that means they'd have to discuss the issue among other white people, and read essays or studies by white people, which might be tainted by "racial bias".

Maybe that doctor could wash the chip off her shoulder and answer Phillip's question instead of reading her undergrad thesis...

[GiRTh]

How are white people meant to "educate" themselves if black people don't need to chip in? Surely that means they'd have to discuss the issue among other white people, and read essays or studies by white people, which might be tainted by "racial bias".

Maybe that doctor could wash the chip off her shoulder and answer Phillip's question instead of reading her undergrad thesis...So she's the real problem eh? :facepalm:

[Oliver_W]

So she's the real problem eh? :facepalm:

No, but people with her attitude really don't help.

[Jordan.]

Lol straight to accusing her of having a chip on her shoulder. Way to immediately validate what she was saying.

[Oliver_W]

Lol straight to accusing her of having a chip on her shoulder. Way to immediately validate what she was saying.

Based on what she said and how she said it, do you disagree with me on that?

[GiRTh]

No, but people with her attitude really don't help.You fail to see that you did, pretty much, exactly what she said then tried to rubbish her points. Ironic really.

What do you mean by people with her attitude? Your previous rant referred very little to her points. She said 'its not the job' etc so your point about bias isnt particularly relevant. :shrug:

[Jordan.]

Based on what she said and how she said it, do you disagree with me on that?

Yes, I agreed with everything she said and think she put it across very well despite Phillip trying to cut her off multiple times.

[Kizzy]

How are white people meant to "educate" themselves if black people don't need to chip in? Surely that means they'd have to discuss the issue among other white people, and read essays or studies by white people, which might be tainted by "racial bias".

Maybe that doctor could wash the chip off her shoulder and answer Phillip's question instead of reading her undergrad thesis...

That's a racist comment. Either that or sexist. Why are you reducing her opinion to an undergraduate thesis?
Phils question was the usual pathetic response the kind you hear here often, examples.

Her response was apt to his question, if he is ignorant to the issue it's not her job to educate him!

[GiRTh]

Based on what she said and how she said it, do you disagree with me on that?Disagree 100%. What brings you to say she has an attitude problem.

If you can break down her point then we're all ears but dont bother attacking her. You're reinforcing her point if you do.

[Oliver_W]

You fail to see that you did, pretty much, exactly what she said then tried to rubbish her points. Ironic really.

What do you mean by people with her attitude? Your previous rant referred very little to her points. She said 'its not the job' etc so your point about bias isnt particularly relevant. :shrug:

Okay I'll put her attitude to one side, and focus purely on her words. Her argument basically amounted to: "yes, white people are racist. But as I'm black I don't have to justify my views. Go and learn about them yourself."

[GiRTh]

Okay I'll put her attitude to one side, and focus purely on her words. Her argument basically amounted to: "yes, white people are racist. But as I'm black I don't have to justify my views. Go and learn about them yourself."Watch it again :conf: I think you're again doing exactly what she says. The irony continues.

[GiRTh]

Ollie, I think you are the one who needs to temper their attitude. It seems you cant take her words on face value without adding a spin. What she says is quite easy to understand and you try to rubbish it but instead behave exactly how she says.

[Tom4784]

So she's the real problem eh? :facepalm:

'When a black woman doesn't go along with the program, when she exhibits her own views, she's a problem.'

It's not a word for word quote of what she said but it certainly holds a lot of truth it seems.

[Oliver_W]

Ollie, I think you are the one who needs to temper their attitude. It seems you cant take her words on face value without adding a spin. What she says is quite easy to understand and you try to rubbish it but instead behave exactly how she says.

Phillip said none of the criticism aimed at Meghan was racist. She said it was, but didn't give any examples because "it's not her job" :shrug: There's nothing to her words beyond the face value, she's not a good advocate for her side of the argument.
I actually agree there's an argument to be made that her ethnicity plays some role in the way the press treated her - I might not agree with the premise, but it's a debate to be had. And debates aren't one side saying "educate yourself."

[Tom4784]

Based on what she said and how she said it, do you disagree with me on that?

Yes.

You are immediately trying to discredit her because you, like so many white people are more uncomfortable with the accusation of racism then you are of racism itself. When a black woman speaks of racism, you accuse her of having a chip on her shoulder when she addressed such attitudes in the clip.

Have some self awareness.

[GiRTh]

'When a black woman doesn't go along with the program, when she exhibits her own views, she's a problem.'

It's not a word for word quote of what she said but it certainly holds a lot of truth it seems.Exactly. Its the final thing she says and quite accurate it seems.

[Oliver_W]

Yes.

You are immediately trying to discredit her because you, like so many white people are more uncomfortable with the accusation of racism then you are of racism itself. When a black woman speaks of racism, you accuse her of having a chip on her shoulder when she addressed such attitudes in the clip.

Have some self awareness.

She didn't have a chip on her shoulder for speaking of racism, but for saying it wasn't her place (as a doctor) to educate white people on the matter. She also couldn't give any examples of racism from the press.

[GiRTh]

Phillip said none of the criticism aimed at Meghan was racist. She said it was, but didn't give any examples because "it's not her job" :shrug: There's nothing to her words beyond the face value, she's not a good advocate for her side of the argument.
I actually agree there's an argument to be made that her ethnicity plays some role in the way the press treated her - I might not agree with the premise, but it's a debate to be had. And debates aren't one side saying "educate yourself."She said its not the job of black people etc. She said nothing about herself. Just proves you dont take what she says on face value. Also, you still cant get away from her perceived 'attitude'. You;re proving her right :thumbs:.

[Tom4784]

She didn't have a chip on her shoulder for speaking of racism, but for saying it wasn't her place (as a doctor) to educate white people on the matter. She also couldn't give any examples of racism from the press.

Were you even listening to what she was saying? She addressed this as well.

Why should black people try educating white people when you have proven twice in a matter of minutes that you are not open to learning because you've attacked her and you haven't really paid attention to what she was saying at all.

[GiRTh]

She didn't have a chip on her shoulder for speaking of racism, but for saying it wasn't her place (as a doctor) to educate white people on the matter. She also couldn't give any examples of racism from the press.She previous post.

[Oliver_W]

Were you even listening to what she was saying? She addressed this as well.

Why should black people try educating white people when you have proven twice in a matter of minutes that you are not open to learning because you've attacked her and you haven't really paid attention to what she was saying at all.

Why should she not educate people on the matter? I'm open to learning but she's making no effort to educate, so how can I? Until she gives examples, the racism in the press may as well be the Spaghetti Monster. It's not my place to prove it exists!

[Liam-]

Racism isn’t always slurs and attending rallies, racism can be as subtle as treating a minority differently for doing the same thing as a white person, it’s often simple as a subconscious slant towards favouring white people, all of which the press has done constantly, just because there aren’t articles calling her the n word, doesn’t mean there aren’t racist tendencies in the reporting of Meghan

[GiRTh]

Why should she not educate people on the matter? I'm open to learning but she's making no effort to educate, so how can I? Until she gives examples, the racism in the press may as well be the Spaghetti Monster. It's not my place to prove it exists!There you go again. Watch it a few more times and eventually you'll see how you're misrepresenting her words.

And, she gives a brilliant example but you seem so blinded you didn't notice it. :laugh:

[GiRTh]

Pity we don't see these posters during the day when we can debate with the whole forum :(Debate away my good friend. No one is stopping you :thumbs:

[GiRTh]

The UK is the least racist country in the world. Good luck moving to LA megz

:skull:This statement needs clarification. With about 200 countries in the world how are you sure Uk is the least racist?

[Liam-]

This statement needs clarification. With about 200 countries in the world how are you sure Uk is the least racist?

Minorities are allowed in pubs now, everything is good!

[Oliver_W]

There you go again. Watch it a few more times and eventually you'll see how you're misrepresenting her words.

And, she gives a brilliant example but you seem so blinded you didn't notice it. :laugh:

Break it down for me in your own words, I'm not watching that video again:laugh:

[GiRTh]

Break it down for me in your own words, I'm not watching that video again:laugh:
Its not my job. Sorry. :shrug:

[GiRTh]

Minorities are allowed in pubs now, everything is good!:laugh:

[Kizzy]

Break it down for me in your own words, I'm not watching that video again:laugh:

:joker::joker: once again she is vindicated...educate yourself!!

[GiRTh]

Do you know,any better?

I guess actual namesYou're the one who made the statement and thus should back it up. I dont need to know or do anything. :thumbs:

[Oliver_W]

:joker::joker: once again she is vindicated...educate yourself!!

How am I meant to do that when she's made it clear her essays aren't for me? Anything I read by white academics would be seeped in subconscious racial bias, so there are no reliable sources out there.

[GiRTh]

How am I meant to do that when she's made it clear her essays aren't for me? Anything I read by white academics would be seeped in subconscious racial bias, so there are no reliable sources out there.Watch it again or get someone else to watch it and break it down for you. If you cant see what is blatantly obvious then we have no debate here :shrug:

[GiRTh]

If you can't refute it. I can't really help you.

:thumbs::conf:

Not up to me to refute. :conf::conf:

Can you back the statements up? If not then I suggest you, in future, clarify with 'in my opinion' or some similar statement. For the sake of the debate. You'll know how to word it:thumbs:

[GiRTh]

Sure Girth see you in the daytime tomorrow for a debate with us all:thumbs:You too :thumbs:

[Twosugars]

"A debate with us all" ?

A backup is needed? Lol

[Jordan.]

Idk who "us all" is... I'd assume most members don't have the luxury to sit posting throughout the daytime? :conf:

[GoldHeart]

Racism isn’t always slurs and attending rallies, racism can be as subtle as treating a minority differently for doing the same thing as a white person, it’s often simple as a subconscious slant towards favouring white people, all of which the press has done constantly, just because there aren’t articles calling her the n word, doesn’t mean there aren’t racist tendencies in the reporting of Meghan


An example of that is the ridiculous comparisons between Kate & Meghan .

The fuss about the wedding flower bouquet, I didn't even know Meghan had the same type of flowers as Kate . Kate got complimented & praised, but when Meghan had the flowers it gave Charlotte allergies allegedly. They make it seem like everything Meghan does is wrong yet everything Kate does is perfect :facepalm: :bored: .

[Kizzy]

How am I meant to do that when she's made it clear her essays aren't for me? Anything I read by white academics would be seeped in subconscious racial bias, so there are no reliable sources out there.

Thats not the issue,the issue were the examples. It's not up to her to prove racism exists she knows it does, its up to you and Phil to educate yourselves on the fact it does or prove it doesn't. It's not her job as an educator or a doctor to tutor you, you are not her student.

[bots]

Racial hate and discrimination is against the law in the UK, all we can do as individuals is to be responsible for our own behaviour, we cannot be responsible for how others behave.

I am in no doubt that some people will have a racial bias against Meghan, but, what I really do not understand, is why the UK is being singled out as targeting her when she was born and raised in a country with far greater racial issues than the UK. From what I can gather, their major gripe is with the British press, not with the people, so why do the British people need to educate themselves?

They are taking the British press to court for specific actions, none of which are related to racism. It is within their power to take legal action against the British press for racism if there is justifiable reason to do so, so why haven't they done so? They are not lacking the resources to follow it through.

[Ammi]

...poor Meghan could never really win for losing...coming over here, taking our prince, how very dare she...going over there, taking our prince, how very dare she...

[Ammi]

...a really good example I think is Anne Widdecombe...obviously she said in Celebrity BB that she didn’t trust Meghan, she thought that she was trouble...(..her reasoning was very vague...and that’s a big and definite statement to make without sure and sound reasoning..)...anyways, in an interview after BB, she said that Harry was far enough removed from the throne to make ‘modifications’ to his role if needed, which is essentially what’s happening...but the only words of Anne Widdecombe that I personally have seen any focus on are...’Meghan is trouble, I don’t trust her..’...and now a ‘prophecy come true..’..?...no a mindset/judgement that obviously become impossible for them both, so a modification was needed and made...but there was a reason for that, that needs much thought, imo...why did that ‘modification’ need to be made...that’s surely the foundation that we should all be focusing on more than anything else...

[bots]

Those that are Royal Institution traditionalists like Anne is, always find fault when someone that doesnt fit the norm comes in. The same comments were made about Fergie. People even said Harry would be trouble .... and lets be honest, they weren't wrong.

Anne has some extremely unpalatable views, I completely understand that, but saying someone would be trouble really can't be considered to be racial bias, because the same woman makes similar comments about anyone. Remember she was the one that said the Tory PM hopeful at the time had something about the night about him .... That's who she is.

[Ammi]

...I think that you miss the point, bots...the point is how the media and some of the public will focus on what their own mindset is...it’s not about what ‘one woman said’...the ‘outrage’ often comes from the thought or suggestion of racism/prejudice...rather than the racism/prejudice itself, which should surely be the first focus...the way it’s focused on is sadly so often with dismissal...

[bots]

...I think that you miss the point, bots...the point is how the media and some of the public will focus on what their own mindset is...it’s not about what ‘one woman said’...the ‘outrage’ often comes from the thought or suggestion of racism/prejudice...rather than the racism/prejudice itself, which should surely be the first focus...the way it’s focused on is sadly so often with dismissal...

i think its a step too far to say something may be attributed to racial bias when there is zero evidence to back it up other than nebulous connotations or what they explicitly say is not considered a crime.

[Oliver_W]

Thats not the issue,the issue were the examples. It's not up to her to prove racism exists she knows it does, its up to you and Phil to educate yourselves on the fact it does or prove it doesn't. It's not her job as an educator or a doctor to tutor you, you are not her student.

No-one said that racism doesn't exist, of course there'll always be bigots. But racism aimed at Meghan? That's the T-rex in my garden, in that the default position is that it does not exist unless someone proves it does.

[Ammi]

...racial undertones are attributed though ..:laugh:...which was acknowledged by the Palace as well with their original statement..(...I’m not sure if that was around the time, just after Rachel Johnson made her ‘exotic DNA’ comment...)...that comment most definitely had racial undertones..when has a comment like that ever been made of any other Royal lady..?...that was very specific to Meghan and her heritage...and that was in the very early days...as the lady in the interview said...(..sorry I don’t recall her name...)...’racism is at the heart’...is the thing that should be focused on in 2020, rather than dismissed in the way it often is...I think it was Dezzy that said, there is often more media/social media and (some) public etc outrage at suggestions of prejudice, than there is at the prejudice itself..hence it being dismissed as of lesser significance, when it really isn’t at all and shouldn’t be...it’s the foremost thing, surely...

[Elliot]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[GoldHeart]

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Another example of the horrible treatment Meghan has received .
Yet Kate is praised .

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Liam-]

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But they’ve been treated exactly the same! Piers Morgan said so!

[Twosugars]

Thanks Slim for that. That was worse than I imagined. Bigotry and toxicity.
Vile.

[Niamh.]

jesus when you see it laid out like that, it's disgusting

[GoldHeart]

But according to piers there's no racism & xenophobia :crazy: :bored:.

[The Slim Reaper]

lol all that isnt racism its just that the tabloids prefer Kate, mainly because she and will know how to deal with the tabloids. Harry released a 570-word cri de coeur against the tabloid media, as well as Markle’s corresponding copyright and misuse of private information claims against the Mail on Sunday that got every editors back up.

As harry and Meghan made mistake after mistake (the secrecy over the baby, no pics etc etc) the tabloids latched onto the fact the GBP were fed up with these 2 and their malarky so they feed that with negative stories

Just as the Guardian feeds its readers constant stories about "the far right", "trump" etc that we often see on here as threads.

Just have a look at stories about Katy Price and other celebs out of favour, you will find the same treatment

All of that is recent stuff, LT. It's been going on for far longer than those events you're trying to blame. Like that woman said to Phil Schofield, when it's against a black woman, then you hear bigots making excuses for bigots.

[Twosugars]

As expected it is the victims fault :laugh:

Trump and the rise of far right? Victims fault, nothing to see there, look the other way, let white supremacists and neo nazis go about their business and discriminate

Aided by right wing media and online trolls

[The Slim Reaper]

rubbish, its her actions that have caused the negativity and nothing else

she is unlikable, she runs away from things when they get tough and she is doing it again. She thought she could fool the GBP, she was well wrong..

Like that woman said to Phil Schofield...

[Liam-]

Nobody has every actually given any examples of Meghan’s behaviour that justifies all the abuse she gets

[The Slim Reaper]

im sorry i dont watch tabloid tv like that, they tend to book troll guests to troll their viewers..

sadly

Aye

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9873975&highlight=schofield#post9873975

[Niamh.]

Nobody has every actually given any examples of Meghan’s behaviour that justifies all the abuse she gets

She held Harry's hand in an interview was one reason I heard from someone one time........

[Twosugars]

Nobody has every actually given any examples of Meghan’s behaviour that justifies all the abuse she gets

She didnt show baby pics quick enough :fist: how dare she!

[The Slim Reaper]

She held Harry's hand in an interview was one reason I heard from someone one time........

Comin over 'ere, nicking our princes.

[Liam-]

She held Harry's hand in an interview was one reason I heard from someone one time........

Probably handcuffed him to a radiator and used a turkey blaster until she was pregnant too, hussy!

[Niamh.]

Probably handcuffed him to a radiator and used a turkey blaster until she was pregnant too, hussy!

:laugh2:

[Liam-]

Baster*

:hehe:

[Liam-]

Another example of the tabloid racism

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[Niamh.]

is it inaccurate?

****ing hell, you're really not helping yourself LT

[Beso]

Probably handcuffed him to a radiator and used a turkey blaster until she was pregnant too, hussy!

Trophy pics coming?

[Niamh.]

excuse me i cant see what the issue id with that article unless its in accurate

its a genuine question


if it was racist then it would be reported and retracted, we have laws governing print media and the royal family would be on it like a car bonnet


so my question stands, what about that article, is it inaccurate?

I'm sure you can't see anything wrong with it, LT

[Oliver_W]

How is talking about her ancestors "racist" ?

[Liam-]

We’re all black people slaves?

[Liam-]

What about people defending that UKIP girl saying ‘Meghan’s seed will taint the royal family’

Of course there’s no racism about her though

[Oliver_W]

We’re all black people slaves?

No, they we're were not. But some were, apparently including Meghan's ancestors.

[Oliver_W]

What about people defending that UKIP girl saying ‘Meghan’s seed will taint the royal family’

Of course there’s no racism about her though

That's the first I've heard of this particular person, that's a disgusting thing to say.

[Liam-]

No, they we're were not. But some were, apparently including Meghan's ancestors.

‘Apparently’ that’s the problem, there’s no proof of that, but they’ve just concluded that the black side of her family were definitely slaves

[Cherie]

‘Apparently’ that’s the problem, there’s no proof of that, but they’ve just concluded that the black side of her family were definitely slaves

And has it been proved that one of her Dads ancestors was a maid at Windsor,:laugh: the whole tweet is just a load of crap, more of a dig at commoner roots than racist though

[Liam-]

People really get uncomfortable whenever racism is brought up don’t they lmao

[Liam-]

That's the first I've heard of this particular person, that's a disgusting thing to say.

Why do people find it so hard to do that?

[Beso]

We’re all black people slaves?

No we aint.

[Liam-]

nope, but when people misunderstand what racism is that is a concern.

When people purposely ignore and spin racism that is a concern

[bots]

i'm sure if we were each to trace back our ancestry we would either be descendents of serfs or royalty, things tended to be either or if you go back far enough

[jet]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8077623/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-not-bringing-Archie-UK-spiteful-inconsiderate.html

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry not bringing Archie to the UK is 'spiteful and inconsiderate' because his great-grandfather Prince Philip 'won't be here much longer', Queen's former press secretary claims

Harry has returned to UK for final engagements with Meghan expected to follow
Sussexes are reportedly not intending to bring baby Archie who turns one in May
Ex-palace secretary Dickie Arbiter says Meghan is 'taking the lead in everything'
Says there's 'not excuse' not to bring him and will be a 'great pity' if they don't

Dickie Arbiter, a press spokesman for the Queen from 1988 until 2000, said it would be a 'great pity' if the couple didn't bring their son to spend time with his family.

'I'm sorry, there isn't an excuse for not bringing him. After all, he's got to meet his family, his family are not going to get a chance to see him for quite some time, because Harry and Meghan are going to be in Canada or the United States,' he told Nine News Australia.
'There's always the excuse, "Well he's too young to fly"; babies fly all the time, they flew Archie down to Southern Africa in October for that visit, so it wasn't too far to take him there, so I believe that they should bring him.'

Asked if it was 'spiteful' not to bring him, Dickie replied: 'Well it is spiteful, it's inconsiderate as well, and the Queen is going to be 94 in April, she's not going to be with us much longer.

'Prince Philip is going to be 99 in June, he's not going to be here much longer. You've got to be practical, he was in hospital at Christmas, he looked pretty frail when he came out, and he's up at Sandringham, nobody's seen him, and he is frail.

'People do get frail at that age and it would be a great pity if Archie wasn't brought over so that his great-grandparents could see him.'
Dickie said Meghan is 'certainly taking the lead in everything', while Harry is 'following along'.



I wonder will they change their minds and bring him. They should. :oh:

[Oliver_W]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8077623/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-not-bringing-Archie-UK-spiteful-inconsiderate.html

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry not bringing Archie to the UK is 'spiteful and inconsiderate' because his great-grandfather Prince Philip 'won't be here much longer', Queen's former press secretary claims

Harry has returned to UK for final engagements with Meghan expected to follow
Sussexes are reportedly not intending to bring baby Archie who turns one in May
Ex-palace secretary Dickie Arbiter says Meghan is 'taking the lead in everything'
Says there's 'not excuse' not to bring him and will be a 'great pity' if they don't



I wonder will they change their minds and bring him. They should. :oh:

It's up to Harry and Meghan :shrug: it might be a bit thoughtless, but you know what else it is? Their business.

[jet]

https://news.sky.com/story/duchess-of-sussex-due-back-in-britain-for-first-time-since-moving-to-canada-11949941

Duchess of Sussex due back in Britain for first time since moving to Canada
Meghan will join Prince Harry on the first of three joint engagements, anticipated to be their last official royal duties.

The Duchess of Sussex is due back in the UK later for the first time since stepping down from royal duties with Prince Harry.
Tonight, she will attend the annual Endeavour Fund Awards at Mansion House in the City of London
The awards celebrate the achievements of wounded, injured and sick servicemen and women who have taken part in sporting and adventure challenges over the last year.

[jet]

It's up to Harry and Meghan :shrug: it might be a bit thoughtless, but you know what else it is? Their business.

Everyone stop discussing what royals and celebs etc do on this site RIGHT NOW, its none of our business!!! :laugh:

[arista]

She could go back into Acting.

[Glenn.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8077623/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-not-bringing-Archie-UK-spiteful-inconsiderate.html

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry not bringing Archie to the UK is 'spiteful and inconsiderate' because his great-grandfather Prince Philip 'won't be here much longer', Queen's former press secretary claims

Harry has returned to UK for final engagements with Meghan expected to follow
Sussexes are reportedly not intending to bring baby Archie who turns one in May
Ex-palace secretary Dickie Arbiter says Meghan is 'taking the lead in everything'
Says there's 'not excuse' not to bring him and will be a 'great pity' if they don't



I wonder will they change their minds and bring him. They should. :oh:

The Daily Mail quoting a royal spokesmen who hasn’t been a spokesperson since 2000...

Where they take their son is their business surely?

[Livia]

Not long to go now and we won't have to see their pictures or hear their names. Perfect. Although I'm sure they'll continue to use the press to raise the profile of the crap they'll be selling.

[Alf]

She could go back in in Acting.But she's not gonna be successful at that, because she's not very good at it. She plays a terrible Black woman.

[Beso]

Who?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The top Daily Mail comment is essentially what the GBP think:


Its what everyone predicted. Markle is so transparent. As she failed in becoming top dog she's now spliting the RF and British public in a huff whilst also using Archie as a pawn in her games. She's an awful woman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is the second most popular:

Of course it's spiteful. They are driven by greed and spite.

[Beso]

This is the second most popular:

Of course it's spiteful. They are driven by greed and spite.

I think that hits the nail on the head...but it could be argued that they are driven by spite for a reason.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think that hits the nail on the head...but it could be argued that they are driven by spite for a reason.

they live the life of Riley

[Tom4784]

God, the gossip rags are out in force, aren't they? Shame on people for believing and thus supporting that ****.

The ridiculous amount of ownership people feel like they have over the royal family to judge parents for making their own decisions regarding THEIR child. It's no wonder why Harry and Megan wanted out.

[Beso]

That child is Britains history, and I think Britain knows best for the child than 2 airheads

[Glenn.]

That child is Britains history, and I think Britain knows best for the child than 2 airheads

You have zero comprehension of how overwhelmingly embarrassing this is have you?

[Beso]

You have zero comprehension of how overwhelmingly embarrassing this is have you?

What is?

My opinion? Or you grabbing my hook like I knew you would?

[Glenn.]

What is?

My opinion? Or you grabbing my hook like I knew you would?

Well what is it? An actual opinion or did you just openly admit to baiting?

[Alf]

Well what is it? An actual opinion or did you just openly admit to baiting?I openly admit to baiting. In fact, I'm baiting you now. What are the mods gonna do about it? I ain't scared of them.

[Oliver_W]

That child is Britains history, and I think Britain knows best for the child than 2 airheads

How? He's just another (now former) Royal, he's almost certainly never gonna be King, so why does it matter?

[Glenn.]

I openly admit to baiting. In fact, I'm baiting you now. What are the mods gonna do about it? I ain't scared of them.

You do you hun :thumbs:

[Marsh.]

That child is Britains history, and I think Britain knows best for the child than 2 airheads

Embarrassing comment.

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

where is the kid?

[Marsh.]

She looks gorgeous in that colour.

[Twosugars]

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That's a fine looking duchess

[Jordan.]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/05/19/25593338-8079797-image-a-155_1583437059759.jpg

:flutter:

[SherzyK]

They look so happy :love:

[Liam-]

Harry and Meghan invented love :love:

[Beso]

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Harry one suit....:smug:

Meghan dreary dress..:smug:



Better be paying for umbrella man from thier own pocket.

[Twosugars]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/05/19/25593338-8079797-image-a-155_1583437059759.jpg

:flutter:

Stunning photo

[Beso]

Shouldn't the brolly be hiding thier faces..?

[Glenn.]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/05/19/25593338-8079797-image-a-155_1583437059759.jpg

:flutter:

Beautiful picture. So dramatic and atmospheric with the rain

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/05/19/25593338-8079797-image-a-155_1583437059759.jpg

:flutter:

Amazing photo

[jet]

Great photo.
Ill fitting dress though, all ruched up and tight round the knees. Kate would never. :nono:
If any of you ladies would like to buy it:

Meghan's dress is from Victoria Beckham's newest collection and is available to buy on MyTheresa for £977

Go on, treat yourself....:laugh:

[Glenn.]

She should treat herself after everything she’s been through bless her :love:

[jet]

She should treat herself after everything she’s been through bless her :love:

She's been treating herself since she married Harry on his Daddy's money. No info yet if that will stop on March 31st.

If you are going to treat yourself, treat yourself to something that looks as if it cost what you splashed out for.
That clutch bag cost £1,450 apparently. :nono:

[jet]

My 16 yr old daughter said at dinner today that Meghan's legs are too skinny and she has ugly feet.
Never noticed myself, so don't come at me, I didn't say it. :laugh:

[Glenn.]

She's been treating herself since she married Harry on his Daddy's money. No info yet if that will stop on March 31st.

If you are going to treat yourself, treat yourself to something that looks as if it cost what you splashed out for.
That clutch bag cost £1,450 apparently. :nono:

My 16 yr old daughter said at dinner today that Meghan's legs are too skinny and she has ugly feet.
Never noticed myself, so don't come at me, I didn't say it. :laugh:

Stay bitter babe

[jet]

Stay bitter babe

Bitter about what exactly? :huh:

[Brother Leon]

Meghan is glowing. Free yourself from the toxicity:clap1:

[Ammi]

...it really is a beautiful ‘Hollywood couple’/type pic of them...:lovedup:...not only of them both looking gorgeous...but how relaxed and happy they seem as well...and Meghan supporting Victoria Beckham, we approve...:love:..

[Cherie]

Great photo.
Ill fitting dress though, all ruched up and tight round the knees. Kate would never. :nono:
If any of you ladies would like to buy it:



Go on, treat yourself....:laugh:

It’s pretty bog standard as dresses go, £900, how does VB get away with it

[thesheriff443]

Victoria beckham’s fashion label is losing millions and I mean millions every year, it is only being kept afloat by David paying for the losses.

As ammi said it’s a great Hollywood photo, this will be regular thing now after they crawled away from the royal family in the name of privacy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

why is harry wearing a blue suit?

he is a young man?

[Marsh.]

"My daughter says she has ugly feet"

Just when you thought it couldn't get more pathetic. :laugh2:

[The Slim Reaper]

Victoria beckham’s fashion label is losing millions and I mean millions every year, it is only being kept afloat by David paying for the losses.

As ammi said it’s a great Hollywood photo, this will be regular thing now after they crawled away from the royal family in the name of privacy.

This is all well and good but do you really mean millions?

[Crimson Dynamo]

"My daughter says she has ugly feet"

Just when you thought it couldn't get more pathetic. :laugh2:

what you are surprised a child passes comment about looks?

why are you saying this? :conf:

[thesheriff443]

This is all well and good but do you really mean millions?

Yes I think 12 million last year

[Marsh.]

what you are surprised a child passes comment about looks?

why are you saying this? :conf:

No I'm not surprised the child passes comment about looks. Quite the opposite.

[Cherie]

why is harry wearing a blue suit?

he is a young man?

is that an old mans colour? I thought it quite suited his colouring :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

is that an old mans colour? I thought it quite suited his colouring :laugh:

blue and orange must never be seen together is the old adage

[Cherie]

blue and orange must never be seen together is the old adage

:laugh: