Dad Thomas Markle is Live AGAIN on GMBHDitv 27th/1/20

[arista]

Well he got around £16,000
for his recorded interview last week
on Viacom's Ch5.


He is going to be Live, I assume in a hour
via Satellite from Mexico.

I assume he will say his view
of his Daughter
as Walmart with a Crown , again.

Also he is due in a UK Court
to fight the Letter deal

[Ammi]

...with Meghan and her father, I find it very difficult...which is why I rarely comment...it’s become such a ‘drama story’ for all of the media that it’s hard to know what truths are...and each obviously have their own truths...as a parent, I find some of his actions quite unfathomable...but it seems obvious that he’s trying to gain her attention out of frustration because their communication has completely broken down...if he does these interviews, he gains her attention..?...and obviously money/fees as well will be a factor...maybe the biggest factor, I honestly don’t know...I haven’t read loads about him but what I have read...?...would indicate that (..although he doesn’t appear to be the best money manager...)...that he prioritised education etc and things in life for Meghan because he adores her...and then felt a little ‘abandoned or dismissed’ by her, when she found fame...some of that might be true, all of it might be true or none of it might be true...and I don’t admire some of the stuff he does...but I do sense a man just longing and seeking some approval and love from the daughter he loves...it’s all very, very sad...:sad:...parent/child broken relationships...

[arista]

Yes Fair points Ammi
also on Live TV he talks slow
they have to drag a response out of him

[Cherie]

Surprised he hasn’t been gagged by the palace

[arista]

Live Now


Started at 7:40AM


He is in California for the interview.
As Mexico could not do the live link

[arista]

Surprised he hasn’t been gagged by the palace


They won't now
the 2 Royals are out of the Family.


He is talking better
now

[Cherie]

I didn’t know she lived with her Dad from age 11 until she was 18?

[arista]

I didn’t know she lived with her Dad from age 11 until she was 18?


On his own
He protected her
took her into work
at the TV studios.

[Ammi]

...I think with him also..(..and I’m not defending as such because there are different layers for each of them...)...he probably gets really pushed and pushed by the media to accept the money and ‘spill all’ of what they’re asking him at that time...which is being seen as ‘money grabbing’ and prioritising money over his daughter etc...?...but I think he desperately may need the money, rather than want it, so he’s possibly constantly conflicting with himself as well...he knows he pushes her fit rather a away and out of reach...but money is a necessity for him..?...I don’t know, I’m just musing/not excusing...

[arista]

He is ready to meet
2 Royals, in the UK Court
all over the Letter he let the DM publish.

[arista]

This was a better Interview.

[Cherie]

I haven't watched the C5 one so don't know what was said, but he came across as quite genuinely hurt by how he has been treated, given Harry asked him for her hand and he was due to attend the wedding, it is quite inexplicable that he has been cut out over his inability to attend, and that they didn't believe he had a heart issue. I know he sold those pictures and that didn't help but it seems he is at the mercy of the paps, and that is not a good situation for someone unused to publicity, I know its the same for the Mum but it appears she is coping with it better and she is in touch and has Meghan and Harrys support. It's all rather sad tbh

[arista]

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Thanking her Dad
in a big way.

[Amy Jade]

On his own
He protected her
took her into work
at the TV studios.
Oh then she owes him the world and should just forgive him trashing her for cash then.

[arista]

Oh then she owes him the world and should just forgive him trashing her for cash then.


Of Course
now they are of the Royal Family Hold
they can set up a Private meeting
without any press.


And the BBCnewsHD
are playing clips / edits
from today's Live GMBHD itv,
as he said some new statements.


Like "Man Up Harry
Fly down to meet him"

[rusticgal]

No one knows the reason for the breakdown in their relationship. He is being called out as a bad father and trashing his daughter for cash... He hasn't really trashed her but he sounds like a very hurt man so who knows what could have happened...
the truth will come out..

[bots]

it's a family matter that should remain private. I'm no more interested in their relationship than I am with the Smith's at number 27. The press are entirely responsible for this by giving it publicity

[arista]

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[Cherie]

it's a family matter that should remain private. I'm no more interested in their relationship than I am with the Smith's at number 27. The press are entirely responsible for this by giving it publicity

perhaps though given they support a lot of charities, the lack of empathy for her Dad from both of them is pretty startling, okay he sold a few photos of him getting fitted for a suit, so what, the Palace should have taken him under their wing to begin with

[smudgie]

I would disown the beggar.
What kind of father goes on the telly moaning and whining about his daughter?

[arista]

I would disown the beggar.
What kind of father goes on the telly moaning and whining about his daughter?

He would like to see his Grandchild.

As they Ignore him
he will keep going on GMBHD itv Live

[Tom4784]

He's an utter parasite that's only in it for the money given that he'll trash his own daughter whenever someone offers him pennies and a microphone. It's no small wonder why Meghan's turned her back on him. If he's like this publcally, I don't want to think what he must have been like behind closed doors.

[Tom4784]

He would like to see his Grandchild.

As they Ignore him
he will keep going on GMBHD itv Live

He ain't entitled to jack**** and by selling out his own daughter, he's only showing them why he should never know his grandchild.

I have no time for narcissists who believe they are entitled to their grandchildren and blame the world when it's their own toxic actions that got them cast out from their children's lives.

[Marsh.]

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What does he know about her media profile in the UK? :think:

The irony of him coming out with statements like this whilst feeding the backlash against her.

Terrible so-called dad.

[Marsh.]

If he genuinely wanted any kind of relationship with her, he wouldn't be selling himself out to Piers Morgan. It's this kind of sh*t why she doesn't want anything to do with him.

[Cherie]

A Dad who went from being amazing in 2016 to not being so amazing in 2017 does not make any sense

[Marsh.]

A Dad who went from being amazing in 2016 to not being so amazing in 2017 does not make any sense

Of course it does. People do things that break up families all the time.

The only ones who know the exact details of what happened between them are the two of them.

[thesheriff443]

A Dad who went from being amazing in 2016 to not being so amazing in 2017 does not make any sense

No one wants to give this any merit cherie.

[arista]

He ain't entitled to jack**** and by selling out his own daughter, he's only showing them why he should never know his grandchild.

I have no time for narcissists who believe they are entitled to their grandchildren and blame the world when it's their own toxic actions that got them cast out from their children's lives.


But if the 2 Ex Royals
do meet him,
it will end all TV interviews.

They should Send a Car
to take him up to Canada
keep it a private meeting.

[Tom4784]

But if the 2 Ex Royals
do meet him,
it will end all TV interviews.

They should Send a Car
to take him up to Canada
keep it a private meeting.

And give the narcissist what he wants so that whenever he's unhappy about not being the center of Meghan's world he can run to the papers all over again until she gives in?

WOEFUL advice, Arista. You take power away from a narcissist, you don't give it them. Let him bleat on about her, it'll do him no good and it'll just solidify to her and anyone of sound mind that he deserves to be disowned.

[Tom4784]

A Dad who went from being amazing in 2016 to not being so amazing in 2017 does not make any sense

When you have a difficult relationship with your parents, you tend to sugarcoat it for the outside world because it's easier than letting strangers in and knowing things about your homelife that you aren't ready to share.

She probably had an epiphany and realised that he doesn't have to have that power over her, that she doesn't need his presence in her life. Things like that can happen suddenly or slowly over time, there's no rule book on it.

[arista]

And give the narcissist what he wants so that whenever he's unhappy about not being the center of Meghan's world he can run to the papers all over again until she gives in?

WOEFUL advice, Arista. You take power away from a narcissist, you don't give it them. Let him bleat on about her, it'll do him no good and it'll just solidify to her and anyone of sound mind that he deserves to be disowned.


He Helped her alone
age 11-18.

Its not up to you
She can choose what to do
before he is dead.

[arista]

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Thanking her Dad
in a big way.


Posting again for Dezzy,

[Cherie]

When you have a difficult relationship with your parents, you tend to sugarcoat it for the outside world because it's easier than letting strangers in and knowing things about your homelife that you aren't ready to share.

She probably had an epiphany and realised that he doesn't have to have that power over her, that she doesn't need his presence in her life. Things like that can happen suddenly or slowly over time, there's no rule book on it.

Given he was going to walk her down the aisle I call codswallop on the above

[Cherie]

No one wants to give this any merit cherie.

It’s a hell of a turn around, I find it odd Harry has never met him in person if only once

[Kazanne]

There are always two sides to a story , no matter which one you prefer, no harm in him giving his side,if its wrong I am sure she will counteract.

[thesheriff443]

It’s a hell of a turn around, I find it odd Harry has never met him in person if only once

You know saint Megan can do no wrong in people’s eyes.

Let him keep talking I say.

[Tom4784]

Given he was going to walk her down the aisle I call codswallop on the above

Again, you don't know. You want a reason to hate her so you vindicate her father despite red flags the size of skyscrapers.

A narcissistic parent can have a lot of control over their kids, it very well could be that she didn't truly break free of that control until 2017. I know narcissism when I see it, I know the patterns of the carrot and the stick that they use and how they always see themselves as the victims and Thomas Markle, from everything I've seen, is a classic case of it.

[thesheriff443]

Again, you don't know. You want a reason to hate her so you vindicate her father despite red flags the size of skyscrapers.

A narcissistic parent can have a lot of control over their kids, it very well could be that she didn't truly break free of that control until 2017. I know narcissism when I see it, I know the patterns of the carrot and the stick that they use and how they always see themselves as the victims and Thomas Markle, from everything I've seen, is a classic case of it.

Your trying claim your opinion is fact. With what you know when you see it.

It’s speculation like anyone’s else’s opinion.

[Tom4784]

There are always two sides to a story , no matter which one you prefer, no harm in him giving his side,if its wrong I am sure she will counteract.

Why should she have a slinging match with him in public because he saw money in it? I'm pretty sure she's never commented on her dad so why should she do so now and give him what he wants when people defending the dad would find fault if she did just that.

If his concerns were genuine, he would have tried to reconnect without making money from the press. It's honestly concerning that there are people who think she should give into him when he's behaved terribly towards her.

[Tom4784]

Your trying claim your opinion is fact. With what you know when you see it.

It’s speculation like anyone’s else’s opinion.

Yes , thank you for pointing out the obvious, Do you actually have anything to add to the topic or are you just going to pretend that I'm stating facts when anyone with a bit of reading comprehension can tell I'm sharing my views just like anyone else?

[Tom4784]

He Helped her alone
age 11-18.

Its not up to you
She can choose what to do
before he is dead.

Plenty of parents care for children their whole lives and do so without a sense of ownership or entitlement to that child's life when they are grown up. It's blatant narcissism and self-entitlement to believe that he has any rights to her life when it's down purely to her.

She is choosing what she wants to do, she has chosen not to have him in her life and it's her right to do so.

[Cherie]

]Again, you don't know. You want a reason to hate [/B]her so you vindicate her father despite red flags the size of skyscrapers.

A narcissistic parent can have a lot of control over their kids, it very well could be that she didn't truly break free of that control until 2017. I know narcissism when I see it, I know the patterns of the carrot and the stick that they use and how they always see themselves as the victims and Thomas Markle, from everything I've seen, is a classic case of it.

I don't hate her, just puzzled by their behaviour as a couple

I quite like her actually :laugh: so wrong again

You don't hold any psychology degrees so I would hold off with the embarrassing web definitions

[Tom4784]

Posting again for Dezzy,

See what I said to Cherie, it's easy to put on a public face and pretend that your family life is fine when it's not. I'm sure there's lots of people here who can relate to that.

[Tom4784]

I don't hate her, just puzzled by their behaviour as a couple

I quite like her actually :laugh: so wrong again

You don't hold any psychology degrees so I would hold off with the embarrassing web definitions

So your entire response is an attack aimed at me. Typical.

If you don't like what i'm saying, argue against it. You know nothing about me and you will only continue to embarrass yourself if you try to lash out at me personally instead of arguing against my points.

[Twosugars]

Is he an alcoholic? Or any other substance abuse?

[arista]

Plenty of parents care for children their whole lives and do so without a sense of ownership or entitlement to that child's life when they are grown up. It's blatant narcissism and self-entitlement to believe that he has any rights to her life when it's down purely to her.

She is choosing what she wants to do, she has chosen not to have him in her life and it's her right to do so.


So Far
today was a good interview
she can change her mind

[Cherie]

So your entire response is an attack aimed at me. Typical.

If you don't like what i'm saying, argue against it. You know nothing about me and you will only continue to embarrass yourself if you try to lash out at me personally instead of arguing against my points.

So telling me I hate her isn’t a personal attack lol

You aren’t making any points, just trotting out your opinion in the form of psychobabble, what am I meant to argue against precisely?

[Alf]

What an utterly vile woman she is.

Took all our tax payers money for her wedding and then pissed off when she found out that virtue signaling was a no no in her royal duty. And then called us all racists on her way out.

And she's turned Harry into a simp.

Good riddence.

[arista]

Is he an alcoholic? Or any other substance abuse?

not now

[Twosugars]

Plenty of parents care for children their whole lives and do so without a sense of ownership or entitlement to that child's life when they are grown up. It's blatant narcissism and self-entitlement to believe that he has any rights to her life when it's down purely to her.

She is choosing what she wants to do, she has chosen not to have him in her life and it's her right to do so.

Yes, well said.

You cannot force yourself on someone by going public like that.
He is turning it into a circus.
Not to mention his statements that she didnt suffer any racism. How does he know? He's parroting the daily Heil line which makes him even less credible if that's possible.
The guy has no sense of dignity.

[Twosugars]

not now

So he did in the past?

[arista]

So he did in the past?


May have done while working at the TV studio

[rusticgal]

I would disown the beggar.
What kind of father goes on the telly moaning and whining about his daughter?


You don’t know what Part Meghan has to play in this...it takes two.

[Twosugars]

You don’t know what Part Meghan has to play in this...it takes two.

Meghan made him go on tv?

You just don't do that full stop.

[rusticgal]

Meghan made him go on tv?

You just don't do that full stop.


....maybe what she did as a daughter was something you would never do to your parent...but the reasons for the fall out have yet to be given...and I don’t suppose Meghan is completely innocent but let’s wait and see.

[Glenn.]

....maybe what she did as a daughter was something you would never do to your parent...but the reasons for the fall out have yet to be given...and I don’t suppose Meghan is completely innocent but let’s wait and see.

Or her father is just a money hungry scum bag?

[Jordan.]

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[Twosugars]

....maybe what she did as a daughter was something you would never do to your parent...but the reasons for the fall out have yet to be given...and I don’t suppose Meghan is completely innocent but let’s wait and see.

Just in what circumstances is it right to publicize something private like that?

I can't think of any. This is not a path a normal person would take.
Only a parent without any morals would do something like that to their child.

[user104658]

"Father" my butthole, he's taking money to spill dirt on his own daughter. There's literally nothing - nothing - my daughters could to that would mean I'd take cash for information about them that would make their lives harder. They could be literal murderers and I'd rather live & die in a cardboard box than spill my guts about them in the tabloid press and on morning telly. I don't care what the circumstances are. Utter, utter scum.

[Matthew.]

Watched the interview this morning, what a sleazy leech. And then you have Piers saying “You’d have to have a heart of stone to not feel for him”, heard it all now :rolleyes: No sympathy for him at all.

[Tom4784]

So telling me I hate her isn’t a personal attack lol

You aren’t making any points, just trotting out your opinion in the form of psychobabble, what am I meant to argue against precisely?

....No? That's an observation judging on the fact that you're basically voicing support for her openly parasitic father. If you think telling someone that you think they hate someone is an attack then you must find a lot of things an attack. To me, if someone voices support for a parent blatantly in the wrong over their daughter who hasn't even responded to their bull**** but has risen above it, that tells me you probably hate the daughter.

Did you really just say that I didn't raise any points.... Only an opinion? Good grief. You're meant to argue why you disagree with my opinion, that should be obvious. 'instead you basically went on about me and disregarded my opinion, something you do a lot.

Also, you don't need a degree to talk about the patterns of abuse of a narcissistic person, trying to shut me down is bad enough but trying to shut me down like that is particularly thoughtless. I do not need to justify myself to you Cherie and I won't divulge my life and my experiences to score ****ing points in a SD thread.

If you disagree with what I'm saying about narcissism then argue against it, this is Serious Debates after all not the 'Attack a poster when you can't think of an appropriate response' forum. If it's all just babble then you should be able to form some kind of argument against it, your attacks against me paint a very different picture.

[user104658]

Watched the interview this morning, what a sleazy leech. And then you have Piers saying “You’d have to have a heart of stone to not feel for him”, heard it all now :rolleyes: No sympathy for him at all.

Because Morgan is just the sort of self-fellating ham who would feel totally justified in selling a story about his kids to boost his own profile. In fact he'd probably write and publish a whole book about them.

[Matthew.]

Because Morgan is just the sort of self-fellating ham who would feel totally justified in selling a story about his kids to boost his own profile. In fact he'd probably write and publish a whole book about them.

:joker::joker::joker:

It wouldn’t surprise me if he did do something like that, anything to get himself some attention and to keep him relevant for a few days :bored: Awful man, could probably apply the “sleazy leech” comment to him as well :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

....No? That's an observation judging on the fact that you're basically voicing support for her openly parasitic father. If you think telling someone that you think they hate someone is an attack then you must find a lot of things an attack. To me, if someone voices support for a parent blatantly in the wrong over their daughter who hasn't even responded to their bull**** but has risen above it, that tells me you probably hate the daughter.

Did you really just say that I didn't raise any points.... Only an opinion? Good grief. You're meant to argue why you disagree with my opinion, that should be obvious. 'instead you basically went on about me and disregarded my opinion, something you do a lot.

Also, you don't need a degree to talk about the patterns of abuse of a narcissistic person, trying to shut me down is bad enough but trying to shut me down like that is particularly thoughtless. I do not need to justify myself to you Cherie and I won't divulge my life and my experiences to score ****ing points in a SD thread.

If you disagree with what I'm saying about narcissism then argue against it, this is Serious Debates after all not the 'Attack a poster when you can't think of an appropriate response' forum. If it's all just babble then you should be able to form some kind of argument against it, your attacks against me paint a very different picture.

No one wants to have an argument with you but you want an argument because that’s the words you are using, should it not be a debate!

You are very vocal about people attacking and hating on Megan but just look what you are saying about her father, what has he done to you for you to be so hateful towards him when like all of us you don’t his life only what you seen on tv or read about him.

No one has got the time and energy to keep arguing on this forum over people we don’t know.

[Cherie]

....No? That's an observation judging on the fact that you're basically voicing support for her openly parasitic father. If you think telling someone that you think they hate someone is an attack then you must find a lot of things an attack. To me, if someone voices support for a parent blatantly in the wrong over their daughter who hasn't even responded to their bull**** but has risen above it, that tells me you probably hate the daughter.

Did you really just say that I didn't raise any points.... Only an opinion? Good grief. You're meant to argue why you disagree with my opinion, that should be obvious. 'instead you basically went on about me and disregarded my opinion, something you do a lot.

Also, you don't need a degree to talk about the patterns of abuse of a narcissistic person, trying to shut me down is bad enough but trying to shut me down like that is particularly thoughtless. I do not need to justify myself to you Cherie and I won't divulge my life and my experiences to score ****ing points in a SD thread.

If you disagree with what I'm saying about narcissism then argue against it, this is Serious Debates after all not the 'Attack a poster when you can't think of an appropriate response' forum. If it's all just babble then you should be able to form some kind of argument against it, your attacks against me paint a very different picture.


Jeez no one asked for War and Peace. I don’t need to argue against your opinion, it’s set in stone so why would I waste my time

As for your life experience Dezzy, yes we all have had life experience you don’t corner the market on that

its funny that the narcissist didn’t appear until he was 70 plus, Meghan was in the public eye long before she met Harry

Finally don’t go on the attack if you can’t take it, stick to the topic at hand

[rusticgal]

Or her father is just a money hungry scum bag?


Well maybe...time will tell.

[LukeB]

Watched the interview this morning, what a sleazy leech. And then you have Piers saying “You’d have to have a heart of stone to not feel for him”, heard it all now :rolleyes: No sympathy for him at all.

Not surprised really when Piers has been obsessed with Meghan and is trying so hard to make her out to be a bad person.

[GoldHeart]

woe is me woe is me the leech is at it again i see , what a great show to go on with effing piers morgan ! wow he just keeps stooping lower and lower :bored: .

What makes him think Meghan & Harry are going to have anything to do with him now when he keeps selling them out , he called them lost souls but he's the only lost soul i see :crazy: .

[smudgie]

You don’t know what Part Meghan has to play in this...it takes two.

It’s him I see doing interviews dissing his daughter, and making assumptions about how the rest of the royals feel about it all.
A ruddy disgrace of a parent.

[Jordan.]

And then you have Piers saying “You’d have to have a heart of stone to not feel for him”, heard it all now :rolleyes:

Mr "man up" suddenly wanting a show of compassion when it suits his agenda :omgno:

[Marsh.]

It’s him I see doing interviews dissing his daughter, and making assumptions about how the rest of the royals feel about it all.
A ruddy disgrace of a parent.

Mr "man up" suddenly wanting a show of compassion when it suits his agenda :omgno:

:clap1:

[Tom4784]

No one wants to have an argument with you but you want an argument because that’s the words you are using, should it not be a debate!

You are very vocal about people attacking and hating on Megan but just look what you are saying about her father, what has he done to you for you to be so hateful towards him when like all of us you don’t his life only what you seen on tv or read about him.

No one has got the time and energy to keep arguing on this forum over people we don’t know.

This is Serious Debates, if you aren't looking to debate the topic then you're in the wrong section.

Her father sells stories on his own daughter, he is trying to profit from her misery by attacking her in the press. If you can't understand how wrong that is then there isn't anything to be said to help you understand. He is undoubtedly a parasite whose actions and words towards his own daughter is beyond comprehension for any good parent. You don't try to profit off your own children and you certainly don't do so by attacking them in the press.

If this was Kate's father than the same people cheering him would be booing him for the same reasons we'd boo him. People are simply taking his side because he is talking **** about his own daughter that they just so happen to hate. I dislike such a fair-weather sense of morality, it's weak and people like Piers Morgan who tried to make this parasite out to be sympathetic would be dragging him if his daughter happened to be someone he likes.

[Tom4784]

Jeez no one asked for War and Peace. I don’t need to argue against your opinion, it’s set in stone so why would I waste my time

As for your life experience Dezzy, yes we all have had life experience you don’t corner the market on that

its funny that the narcissist didn’t appear until he was 70 plus, Meghan was in the public eye long before she met Harry

Finally don’t go on the attack if you can’t take it, stick to the topic at hand

Yet attacking me isn't a waste of time? If I did the same to you, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Also if you aren't here to talk about the issues then why are you even in Serious Debates? It comes with the territory. It seems pointless to attack people for having a discussion with you and then disregard what they saying because it's not convenient for you.

You misunderstood what I was getting at with the experience thing and I assume you did so on purpose because I happened to be the one to post it.

He just so happened to appear when she seemed to cut him out of her life which is typical narcissist behaviour. Normally it would just be an endless barrage of messages or turning up where you work, trying to impose their will on you in the hopes you'll give in to save yourself public embarrassment and then regardless of how you respond, out comes the victim act to paint you as the bad guy to others in an attempt to isolate you. What he is doing is no different, it's just that he is using a media that's nothing short of volatile towards her to do it. If you disagree with what I'm saying, say why.

As for your last line, take your own advice considering you were the first one to go on the attack with this post.

I don't hate her, just puzzled by their behaviour as a couple

I quite like her actually :laugh: so wrong again

You don't hold any psychology degrees so I would hold off with the embarrassing web definitions

You tried to devalue my views by making out that I wasn't entitled to them if I wasn't a psychologist. Let's not rewrite history, shall we? Let's stick to the topc now, shall we? This isn't about me, it's about a narcissistic parent.

[jet]

Because Mr. Markle is unwisely doing what he is doing, doesn’t make Meghan blameless in the least. She is the instigator of his obvious desperation. He doted on her her whole life and they were close, that much was obvious from the documentary videos. He gave her the best education he could, she went to some pretty expensive schools.
He was left to deal with the paps camped outside his door and following him around with no help or guidance, she doesn’t even have the respect to introduce him to Harry.
Then he makes one mistake of getting pap photos taken to boost his image, and WHAM! He is told off by the future son in law who hadn’t even met him.
When he has heart surgery and can’t attend the wedding, that is the end of the road. Not a word from his loving daughter since, not even to ask how the surgery went or how he is. What kind of daughter does THAT for so little reason?
He tries to talk to her, but she changes her phone number. He sends her text after text (he says he has them as proof) and - nothing.
Mr. Markle has been quiet since way before Archies birth and in the 8 months since until now, prompted by the whole Megxit debacle….and she still hasn’t relented. I think he fears she never will. He’s a desperate, angry old man and the press are taking adantage of his desperation.
Neither of them have conducted themselves well, but IMO Meghan’s behavior is worse.

[Livia]

I thought he came across as completely unprepared for the interest in him from the moment they announced they were a couple. I think he was right when he said the Palace should have prepped him and given him some advice. Also interesting to learn that he released the letter because quotes had already been leaked by Meghan's "friends" and the edit altered the content, and not in his favour. He's not been smart... but no one knows any more about her father than they do about Meghan.

[jet]

Jeez no one asked for War and Peace. I don’t need to argue against your opinion, it’s set in stone so why would I waste my time

As for your life experience Dezzy, yes we all have had life experience you don’t corner the market on that

its funny that the narcissist didn’t appear until he was 70 plus, Meghan was in the public eye long before she met Harry

Finally don’t go on the attack if you can’t take it, stick to the topic at hand

Exactly. Meghan displays narcisstistic traits, its ridiculous to say her father does though..:laugh:

[Alf]

It's all a smoke-screen.

It's what the media ain't talking about that should concern us.

[Marsh.]

its funny that the narcissist didn’t appear until he was 70 plus, Meghan was in the public eye long before she met Harry

I doubt the world's media were knocking on his door when she was in Suits.
When she was marrying a Prince, however.

And we can't say "the narcissist didn't appear until he was 70 plus" as we don't know their relationship.

[Twosugars]

We can all see now just why she cut him out of her life. The guy is a toxic psycho.

[GoldHeart]

Plus it's so easy to label Meghan as the bad person, when non of us knows what went on behind closed doors in private . There's alot we don't know apart from the clear money grabbing we're seeing from Thomas & Samantha who are bitter.

In that terrible documentary they showed a clip of her saying she's not visiting her dad at that particular time as they're not on the best of terms. It's so easy to twist things for a narrative. What child doesn't have disagreements with their parents??? .

He tries to paint himself as a saint when all I see is a blood sucking parasite , he thinks having home videos of his daughter and him pushing for sympathy over the press treatment is what makes him a good dad . I see straight through him.

[Tom4784]

Because Mr. Markle is unwisely doing what he is doing, doesn’t make Meghan blameless in the least. She is the instigator of his obvious desperation. He doted on her her whole life and they were close, that much was obvious from the documentary videos. He gave her the best education he could, she went to some pretty expensive schools.
He was left to deal with the paps camped outside his door and following him around with no help or guidance, she doesn’t even have the respect to introduce him to Harry.
Then he makes one mistake of getting pap photos taken to boost his image, and WHAM! He is told off by the future son in law who hadn’t even met him.
When he has heart surgery and can’t attend the wedding, that is the end of the road. Not a word from his loving daughter since, not even to ask how the surgery went or how he is. What kind of daughter does THAT for so little reason?
He tries to talk to her, but she changes her phone number. He sends her text after text (he says he has them as proof) and - nothing.
Mr. Markle has been quiet since way before Archies birth and in the 8 months since until now, prompted by the whole Megxit debacle….and she still hasn’t relented. I think he fears she never will. He’s a desperate, angry old man and the press are taking adantage of his desperation.
Neither of them have conducted themselves well, but IMO Meghan’s behavior is worse.

I think people need to consider whether they truly want to show support to a bad parent that would sell out their own daughter just because they don't like the daughter in question.

The man is a leech, it takes a particularly **** parent to sell out their own children for a paycheck and I think any decent parent would be outraged at the thought. The man is acting like he is entitled to be in Meghan's life when he's betrayed her terribly by undermining her struggles in the press.

I don't know how you can look at this situation logically and think that Thomas is a victim in any sense of the word. You cannot sell your own child out to the press and act like a victim if they turn their back on you.

[bots]

Meghan and Harry have both said they are not in a good place mentally, the father doesn't look to be in a good place either. How anyone can cast judgement on either party is beyond me with a story driven by the media's thirst for a drama. I find it all tasteless and a matter best left private.

[thesheriff443]

Any member can give an opinion in this section and they don’t have to justify it to anyone else!

It’s their opinion based on what they have seen or read and that’s basically believe half of what you see and non of what you hear.

Im not going to spend a lifetime arguing with people I don’t know over people I don’t know.

People can support who they want for what ever reason.

[Ammi]

...with some of the headlines that he’s creating by ‘speaking out’ and giving these interviews, I have to say that it’s becoming really difficult to find a point of understanding with Thomas Markle...’he’ll give a monthly interview until he and Meghan are in touch again’...and what purpose will that monthly interview have other than to make it more and more unlikely that he’ll have that contact with his daughter...?...he may have ‘been unprepared’ before but he has become very prepared in the media and what they will draw from the things he says...and he keeps on saying them and intends to keep on saying them...it’s very difficult to feel that as healing’ between them is something he’s even seeking...’he brands his daughter ‘preaching’...(..about global warming..)...’...is another headline ...I just cringe at how much he’s giving the Meghan critical media, the bullets to fire at her...the reason that she and Harry have made their decision, one of the reasons...is the critical media...and what he’s doing is aligning himself with the critical media...drip, drip, dripping the bullets into their hands...

...something that he has reportedly said makes no sense at all and is quite toxic tbh...it’s of his relationship with Doria....


‘He met Doria at ABC. "I found her very attractive," Thomas recalls.

"Not everybody seems to approve of those kind of relationships," he added with regards to being in a mixed-race relationship. "People would look at Doria like she was a housekeeper. It wasn't fair. Of course it wasn't fair.‘

...the same words and interview has been recorded on quite a few sites, so I’ll presume he said those words....through his relationship with Doria, he has know and personally felt prejudice because of heritage and skin colour...and yet of his daughter....he has completely dismissed it as a factor, when it’s something that she and Harry have discussed...so much of what he says just feels as though it’s manipulated and tilted against Meghan because he knows ‘that’s the story the media want to hear’....he may not have been the most media savvy person at the start but he seems like a guy of intelligence ...and why he would even agree to be interviewed by Piers at all...the man who shows nothing but unreasonable contempt for his daughter, the daughter he hopes to reunite with..?...it just makes no sense at all...well, the only sense that can be made is that he’s prepared to sacrifice any possible future understanding between them....and that’s his choice, but he has to take responsibility for and live with his choice...

[Cherie]

Yet attacking me isn't a waste of time? If I did the same to you, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Also if you aren't here to talk about the issues then why are you even in Serious Debates? It comes with the territory. It seems pointless to attack people for having a discussion with you and then disregard what they saying because it's not convenient for you.

You misunderstood what I was getting at with the experience thing and I assume you did so on purpose because I happened to be the one to post it.

He just so happened to appear when she seemed to cut him out of her life which is typical narcissist behaviour. Normally it would just be an endless barrage of messages or turning up where you work, trying to impose their will on you in the hopes you'll give in to save yourself public embarrassment and then regardless of how you respond, out comes the victim act to paint you as the bad guy to others in an attempt to isolate you. What he is doing is no different, it's just that he is using a media that's nothing short of volatile towards her to do it. If you disagree with what I'm saying, say why.

As for your last line, take your own advice considering you were the first one to go on the attack with this post.



You tried to devalue my views by making out that I wasn't entitled to them if I wasn't a psychologist. Let's not rewrite history, shall we? Let's stick to the topc now, shall we? This isn't about me, it's about a narcissistic parent.



If you feel devalued that is on you? I don't know why you are getting so worked up about me pointing out that you aren't qualified to diagnose the man with complexes based on a few interviews, but if you feel you are qualified then you do you, I don't have to accept your diagnoses! maybe take your own advice and stop getting personal and telling me how I feel towards Meghan and we wouldn't be having this conversation, so we can agree on something this isn't about me either its about the interview with Thomas Markle.

As for supporting, its not a case of support, I am not coming down in favour of him or her, I do find some of their behaviour towards him odd, and I am perfectly entitled to that view. I have also acknowledged he didn't handle the press very well initially but I do think he was left to his own devices and should have perhaps been guided by the palace in how to deal with the press.

[user104658]

It's all a smoke-screen.

It's what the media ain't talking about that should concern us.

I agree and smoke-screening happens a lot. In this case it seems to be that people want their royal drama - but they do NOT want to talk about the fact that the FBI want to talk to Andrew about Epstein and the underage sex allegations but are being refused by him/the palace.

[jet]

I think people need to consider whether they truly want to show support to a bad parent that would sell out their own daughter just because they don't like the daughter in question.

The man is a leech, it takes a particularly **** parent to sell out their own children for a paycheck and I think any decent parent would be outraged at the thought. The man is acting like he is entitled to be in Meghan's life when he's betrayed her terribly by undermining her struggles in the press.

I don't know how you can look at this situation logically and think that Thomas is a victim in any sense of the word. You cannot sell your own child out to the press and act like a victim if they turn their back on you.

I don’t support him giving interviews; I never said I agree with what he is doing. I was laying out how the estrangement by all accounts is said to have happened. The reasons she turned her back on him initially weren't that terrible, especially as she had neglected him at a time when he was all at sea with the huge impact of what was happening, and not even shown the respect of meeting Harry.
I don’t know how any adult could ignore their father’s heart surgery. She should have been over there as soon after the wedding as possible to visit him, but she didn’t even ask him how it went or indeed inquire after his health at all subsequently. How could anyone think that was fine? Instead Harry berated him while lying in his hospital bed. Disgusting.

Mr. Markle strikes me as desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated and probably in need of money to pay for his ongoing poor health issues. Meghan strikes me as cold, unforgiving, shallow, self - absorbed, fame hungry, and a serious grudge holder.
She has a history of discarding people when they are no longer of use to her. Her former friends before Suits (all her ‘friends’ now are rich and/or famous), her extended family, her former husband who was discarded in a cruel way (and who was the one who got acting roles to begin with), and now the royal family. When there is a pattern, there is a big red flag. I just don’t think she is a nice person, period.

[user104658]

Because Mr. Markle is unwisely doing what he is doing, doesn’t make Meghan blameless in the least. She is the instigator of his obvious desperation. He doted on her her whole life and they were close, that much was obvious from the documentary videos. He gave her the best education he could, she went to some pretty expensive schools.
He was left to deal with the paps camped outside his door and following him around with no help or guidance, she doesn’t even have the respect to introduce him to Harry.
Then he makes one mistake of getting pap photos taken to boost his image, and WHAM! He is told off by the future son in law who hadn’t even met him.
When he has heart surgery and can’t attend the wedding, that is the end of the road. Not a word from his loving daughter since, not even to ask how the surgery went or how he is. What kind of daughter does THAT for so little reason?
He tries to talk to her, but she changes her phone number. He sends her text after text (he says he has them as proof) and - nothing.
Mr. Markle has been quiet since way before Archies birth and in the 8 months since until now, prompted by the whole Megxit debacle….and she still hasn’t relented. I think he fears she never will. He’s a desperate, angry old man and the press are taking adantage of his desperation.
Neither of them have conducted themselves well, but IMO Meghan’s behavior is worse.

Like I said earlier it doesn't matter to me one bit if they're "both to blame" or even if she's 100% to blame for the rift between them. He is her father and selling out to the press for... what? Revenge? Or just for cold hard cash? Unfathomable. And nah if he'd do that to his daughter then no way would I be allowing him any involvement with his grandchild.

[Marsh.]

So now even when he is uncategorically at fault, that too is Meghan's fault?

Are people not responsible for their own sh*tty actions or something? Laughable.

[user104658]

Mr. Markle strikes me as desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated and probably in need of money to pay for his ongoing poor health issues. Meghan strikes me as cold, unforgiving, shallow, self - absorbed, fame hungry, and a serious grudge holder.
She has a history of discarding people when they are no longer of use to her. Her former friends before Suits (all her ‘friends’ now are rich and/or famous), her extended family, her former husband who was discarded in a cruel way (and who was the one who got acting roles to begin with), and now the royal family. When there is a pattern, there is a big red flag. I just don’t think she is a nice person, period.

Thing is even if all of that is true, that's her and Harry's business. If she's literally awful and he wants to be with her more than he wants to be a Royal - that's entirely his prerogative. Because I'm pretty sure jet, as astute as you might be, I'm thinking you PROBABLY don't know Meghan better than her husband knows her. To think that you do would be astounding? SO if she is all of those things and he wants to be with her, then you can be pretty sure that... he must be those things, too? And yet 90% of the flak cannons are pointed directly at Meghan with Harry painted as some poor little cuckold victim powerless to stop such a monster. Ask yourself why.

[Marsh.]

Her father sells her out to gutter press and Meghan is the serious grudge holder? :think:

The twisting of the truth to even try and justify the disproportionate hate for the woman gets ever more ridiculous.

[Cherie]

I agree and smoke-screening happens a lot. In this case it seems to be that people want their royal drama - but they do NOT want to talk about the fact that the FBI want to talk to Andrew about Epstein and the underage sex allegations but are being refused by him/the palace.

That is true, I started a thread on this after his interview I think about 4 people commented :laugh:

[user104658]

Her father sells her out to gutter press and Meghan is the serious grudge holder? :think:

The twisting of the truth to even try and justify the disproportionate hate for the woman gets ever more ridiculous.

If he "just" wanted his side of the story to be heard (though I don't even agree with that) he could have made a YouTube video and it would get millions of views over night. But nah he's in the rags and bawling at bloody Piers Morgan about it.

[user104658]

That is true, I started a thread on this after his interview I think about 4 people commented :laugh:

If The Sun did a poll;

"Who is worse?

A) Meghan Markle, new mum who wants to relocate.

B) Prince Andrew, at best someone who has determinedly protected and enabled sex trafficking and other criminal activity by turning a blind eye... at worst an actual sex offender himself.


Sun readers would respond 97% A.

[Marsh.]

If he "just" wanted his side of the story to be heard (though I don't even agree with that) he could have made a YouTube video and it would get millions of views over night. But nah he's in the rags and bawling at bloody Piers Morgan about it.

Ugh, I literally can't watch GMB. He is odious. Susannah must be on a fortune to sit next to him and listen to the guff.

[Cherie]

If The Sun did a poll;

"Who is worse?

A) Meghan Markle, new mum who wants to relocate.

B) Prince Andrew, at best someone who has determinedly protected and enabled sex trafficking and other criminal activity by turning a blind eye... at worst an actual sex offender himself.


Sun readers would respond 97% A.

well yes I would agree

Currently Prince Andrew is being discussed on the Emma Barton show on Radio 5 live

[Marsh.]

well yes I would agree

Currently Prince Andrew is being discussed on the Emma Barton show on Radio 5 live

I was about to make a comment but Barton isn't the spice girl. Ruining me jokes. :idc:

[jet]

Like I said earlier it doesn't matter to me one bit if they're "both to blame" or even if she's 100% to blame for the rift between them. He is her father and selling out to the press for... what? Revenge? Or just for cold hard cash? Unfathomable. And nah if he'd do that to his daughter then no way would I be allowing him any involvement with his grandchild.

Why keep saying, 'he is her father' and not 'she is his daughter' when she ignored his heart surgery and turned her back on him for initially little reason, really. All the criticism is of him. Cause and effect shouldn't be ignored.
What he is doing now is wrong, obviously. He kept his head down for a long time in the hope of seeing his future grandchild, to no avail. I don't think money is the main motivator, according to Meghan herself, he was always massivley generous and giving. I think he's very very angry at her, with good reason, imo, but he's losing the plot now.
This could all have been avoided with the manners of introducing Harry to him pre - wedding, making sure he was protected and helped or even bringing him to the UK for a week or two to give him advice and help him feel included when the news broke and he was inundated with press attention.
He is her father, after all, one she professed to adore before she met Harry.

[Marsh.]

Yes, let's offer her father the benefit of the doubt (you know, despite his words and actions being there in print and on camera) but burn Meghan based on ifs, buts and maybes.

[Livia]

People are speaking with such authority on this thread, about Meghan and her father. None of us know what he's like, who he is, how he feels. It looks like people who hated him to begin with had that hatred reinforced. And those of us who had not much interest either way, saw him as a vulnerable, naive man.

None of us know. Just because you've seen Meghan on Suits doesn't mean you know her any more than I know her father.

[Marsh.]

Has anyone professed to know her because she was on Suits?

I think the prevailing defence of Meghan is actually the opposite, that we don't know her so the overwhelming backlash is entirely out of proportion and unjustified.

[jet]

Thing is even if all of that is true, that's her and Harry's business. If she's literally awful and he wants to be with her more than he wants to be a Royal - that's entirely his prerogative. Because I'm pretty sure jet, as astute as you might be, I'm thinking you PROBABLY don't know Meghan better than her husband knows her. To think that you do would be astounding? SO if she is all of those things and he wants to be with her, then you can be pretty sure that... he must be those things, too? And yet 90% of the flak cannons are pointed directly at Meghan with Harry painted as some poor little cuckold victim powerless to stop such a monster. Ask yourself why.


Her former friends and colleagues say that Meghan was engaging, charming and funny...until she no longer needs you, then she turns cold and you never hear from her again. As I don't know the woman from Adam, I can only go from what I see, hear and read and my own gut instincts and form an opinion on that. Perhaps she loves Harry, who knows - for now anyway. :smug:

[Livia]

Has anyone professed to know her because she was on Suits?

I think the prevailing defence of Meghan is actually the opposite, that we don't know her so the overwhelming backlash is entirely out of proportion and unjustified.

As far as I'm aware, that is what she was famous for before she coupled up with Harry. I had no idea who she was because I don't watch it. My knowledge of her father is the same. Look at some of the hysterical language on here, Marshy. Hysterics based on some tabloid stories and a one-hour edited interview.

He's being called a bad father for releasing a letter she sent him , after it had already had parts of it leaked by Meghan's friends, and which showed him in a bad light. That strikes me as quite manipulative, and if someone had done that to me I'd also have released the entire document. But again, I don't know either of them and I really am not interested in guessing which is the more to blame.

[Marsh.]

As far as I'm aware, that is what she was famous for before she coupled up with Harry. I had no idea who she was because I don't watch it. My knowledge of her father is the same. Look at some of the hysterical language on here, Marshy. Hysterics based on some tabloid stories and a one-hour edited interview.

He's being called a bad father for releasing a letter she sent him , after it had already had parts of it leaked by Meghan's friends, and which showed him in a bad light. That strikes me as quite manipulative, and if someone had done that to me I'd also have released the entire document. But again, I don't know either of them and I really am not interested in guessing which is the more to blame.

I think calling him a bad father based on this publicity tour of his is fair enough imo. As TS said earlier, even if we were to believe all of the stuff about Meghan it still doesn't paint him in a good light as her dad at all. Giving interviews to the likes of Piers Morgan, just grotesque.

But, I completely agree, we don't actually know either of them so don't, and probably won't ever, actually get to any sort of "truth". It's why I find the backlash against her so ridiculously out of proportion. But then, as has been said, it's probably being fed purposely more than ever to distract from the sex offender on the other page.

[Livia]

I think calling him a bad father based on this publicity tour of his is fair enough imo. As TS said earlier, even if we were to believe all of the stuff about Meghan it still doesn't paint him in a good light as her dad at all. Giving interviews to the likes of Piers Morgan, just grotesque.

But, I completely agree, we don't actually know either of them so don't, and probably won't ever, actually get to any sort of "truth". It's why I find the backlash against her so ridiculously out of proportion. But then, as has been said, it's probably being fed purposely more than ever to distract from the sex offender on the other page.

The press would never lie to us, would they....?

[Marsh.]

The press would never lie to us, would they....?

Of course not. Daily Mail is my bible.

[rusticgal]

Meghans father having an interview with Piers Morgan is no more grotesque than Harry and Meghans self pity on their documentary about the hardships young girls suffer in South Africa...

[Kazanne]

As far as I'm aware, that is what she was famous for before she coupled up with Harry. I had no idea who she was because I don't watch it. My knowledge of her father is the same. Look at some of the hysterical language on here, Marshy. Hysterics based on some tabloid stories and a one-hour edited interview.

He's being called a bad father for releasing a letter she sent him , after it had already had parts of it leaked by Meghan's friends, and which showed him in a bad light. That strikes me as quite manipulative, and if someone had done that to me I'd also have released the entire document. But again, I don't know either of them and I really am not interested in guessing which is the more to blame.

My feelings on this too.:wavey: I had never heard of her or watched Suits

[Marsh.]

Meghans father having an interview with Piers Morgan is no more grotesque than Harry and Meghans self pity on their documentary about the hardships young girls suffer in South Africa...

What about, what about, what about

[Tom4784]

I don’t support him giving interviews; I never said I agree with what he is doing. I was laying out how the estrangement by all accounts is said to have happened. The reasons she turned her back on him initially weren't that terrible, especially as she had neglected him at a time when he was all at sea with the huge impact of what was happening, and not even shown the respect of meeting Harry.
I don’t know how any adult could ignore their father’s heart surgery. She should have been over there as soon after the wedding as possible to visit him, but she didn’t even ask him how it went or indeed inquire after his health at all subsequently. How could anyone think that was fine? Instead Harry berated him while lying in his hospital bed. Disgusting.

Mr. Markle strikes me as desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated and probably in need of money to pay for his ongoing poor health issues. Meghan strikes me as cold, unforgiving, shallow, self - absorbed, fame hungry, and a serious grudge holder.
She has a history of discarding people when they are no longer of use to her. Her former friends before Suits (all her ‘friends’ now are rich and/or famous), her extended family, her former husband who was discarded in a cruel way (and who was the one who got acting roles to begin with), and now the royal family. When there is a pattern, there is a big red flag. I just don’t think she is a nice person, period.

You're kinda stepping over the whole repeated selling out his own daughter thing there by pinning it all on her. You're acknowledging it...slightly... but then you're brushing it all under the table to say that Meghan's basically responsible for a grown man's actions. You are justifying what is toxic behaviour to slam someone you don't like.

Meghan owes him nothing. She doesn't belong to him.

[jet]

You're kinda stepping over the whole repeated selling out his own daughter thing there by pinning it all on her. You're acknowledging it...slightly... but then you're brushing it all under the table to say that Meghan's basically responsible for a grown man's actions. You are justifying what is toxic behaviour to slam someone you don't like.

Meghan owes him nothing. She doesn't belong to him.

Meanwhile, you are brushing her initial neglectful and callous behaviour under the table - not even alluding to it in fact at all - and slamming him to justify your like of her and dislike of him, whereas I have said on here what he is doing now is wrong and he is now losing the plot.
If Meghan owes him nothing, then the same can be said for him owing her nothing either...relationships are a two - way street. :shrug:

[Ammi]

...I really struggle to understand why he would choose to speak publicly to any media about her, as he did in the interview...when he knows this is the exact type thing that hurts her and a huge part of the reason given for her and Harry’s decision...and then to add another layer of hurt, he’s chosen to speak to someone that he knows feels nothing but negativity for her...it’s unfathomable...as a parent, I find that unfathomable...

[Niamh.]

...I really struggle to understand why he would choose to speak publicly to any media about her, as he did in the interview...when he knows this is the exact type thing that hurts her and a huge part of the reason given for her and Harry’s decision...and then to add another layer of hurt, he’s chosen to speak to someone that he knows feels nothing but negativity for her...it’s unfathomable...as a parent, I find that unfathomable...

100%. Can't see how any parent could possibly defend it actually

[Livia]

I don't see how anyone can feel so strongly without knowing all the facts. I think it's terribly sad that a father and daughter have come to this. Apart from that, it's gossip in my view.

[GoldHeart]

This guy has literally sold his daughter down the river ,yet he wants sympathy :joker: :facepalm: the delusion is real.

Hope he enjoys the dirty payouts he's had to bad mouth his daughter and her husband. Everyone is a grown adult, and it's embarrassing how he's behaving.

Meghan & Harry have enough on their plates ,they also have a son to think of. They don't have time for this crap.

[Ammi]

....hmmmm, no...it isn’t gossip that Thomas Markle chose to subject his daughter to more media scrutiny by agreeing to and giving an interview with someone who has shown a strong bias toward Meghan...that’s not really gossip at all, it is what it is...

[Livia]

Again... no one knows what Meghan and Harry have time for.

[Marsh.]

Again... no one knows what Meghan and Harry have time for.

With an 8 month old baby I'm sure you could take a guess. :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

All I know is if I was in Meghan's shoes I'd feel extremely betrayed , he makes it incredibly difficult to sympathise with when he keeps twisting the knife :bored: .

[thesheriff443]

With an 8 month old baby I'm sure you could take a guess. :laugh:

They have had countless nannies and have one now.

[Marsh.]

They have had countless nannies and have one now.

Thank you, Meghan.

[Niamh.]

....hmmmm, no...it isn’t gossip that Thomas Markle chose to subject his daughter to more media scrutiny by agreeing to and giving an interview with someone who has shown a strong bias toward Meghan...that’s not really gossip at all, it is what it is...

Exactly. It's fact

[GoldHeart]

They have had countless nannies and have one now.

Wow I wasn't aware you were close friends with Meghan & Harry , how's baby Archie doing ?? he's soo cute :hee: .

[thesheriff443]

Thank you, Meghan.

You are welcome jan.

[thesheriff443]

Wow I wasn't aware you were close friends with Meghan & Harry , how's baby Archie doing ?? he's soo cute :hee: .

They want their privacy, so keep your nose out

[jet]

They have had countless nannies and have one now.

On their 4th in 8 months, not to mention the other staff that have resigned.
More red flags...but it couldn't be anything to do with Meghan, could it? :think:

[jet]

They want their privacy, so keep your nose out

:laugh:

[GoldHeart]

They want their privacy, so keep your nose out

Oh the irony

[jet]

Oh the irony

You're missing the real irony here :hehe:

[GoldHeart]

You're missing the real irony here :hehe:

Course I am you keep telling yourself that :hee:

[thesheriff443]

Oh the irony

I’ve not been looking they their curtains.

Stop trying to be clever and I won’t have to make you look silly.

[GoldHeart]

It's amazing how Piers Morgan has forgotten this , and he wants to say Meghan hasn't experienced any racism :facepalm: :bored: .

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[Tom4784]

Meanwhile, you are brushing her initial neglectful and callous behaviour under the table - not even alluding to it in fact at all - and slamming him to justify your like of her and dislike of him, whereas I have said on here what he is doing now is wrong and he is now losing the plot.
If Meghan owes him nothing, then the same can be said for him owing her nothing either...relationships are a two - way street. :shrug:

She doesn't have a duty of care to him, how can she 'neglect' him? What, do you think she has to be the dutiful daughter regardless of what **** he throws her way? Parents don't own their children, they aren't entitled to rule over their lives and make demands of them as adults when they have gone out of their way to attack and alienate their children for monetary gain. Actions have consequences, her father's cruelty and greed has ensured he will likely never meet his grandson or play a role in his daughter's life and he has no one to blame but himself.

I dislike narcissistic abuse and this man ****ing REEKS of it and it's making me despair that there are people out there defending this greedy twat just because he opposes someone they hate. Would you honestly be saying the same thing if it was anyone other than Meghan's dad? Be honest with yourself.

Also your last sentence is grim, 'if she doesn't want a relationship with him then it's fair game for him to trash his own daughter in the press for profit.' You're basically okaying his actions of trying to force his daughter to acknowledge him when she has made it clear she doesn't want to. What gives him the right to do that when all she's done is decide she doesn't want a relationship with him? You say it's a two way street but I reckon she'd gladly take him disowning her at this point but it's not a two way street because what he is doing is worse.

What he is doing is wrong and no amount of mental gymnastics will change that.

[Beso]

It's a bit of a reach to describe a man who has given over half a million dollars of his own money to further his daughter's career, as greedy

[arista]

Live from Mexico
he is on GMBHD itv.




Richard told her Dad
she moves on.
Even her Dad.

[joeysteele]

I feel for anyone not permitted to see their Grandchildren.
However him turning up on TV putting her down again, isn't the right way to do things and rightly isn't going to persuade her to let him see them.

It's for the Parents to decide who sees their children and if he was to even attempt to talk to his grandchildren about their Mother, the way he does on TV.

Then no wonder he's excluded, in my view.

[arista]

He claims
it is the only way he can speak to her?

[bots]

He claims
it is the only way he can speak to her?

a man with serious mental issues clearly. You can't force someone to meet/talk to you

[Glenn.]

Appalling man

[joeysteele]

a man with serious mental issues clearly. You can't force someone to meet/talk to you

That's the truth.

In fact it's more likely to push her further away.

[GoldHeart]

He doesn't know when to quit, he's a pitiful worm .

[user104658]

He claims
it is the only way he can speak to her?

If he would just leave her alone she might eventually have decided to make contact with him, if and when she wanted to make contact with him. I think he's pretty much blown any chance of that now. He doesn't have a "right" to see or speak to her or communicate with her in any way... sheer entitlement.

[Alf]

If he would just leave her alone she might eventually have decided to make contact with him, if and when she wanted to make contact with him. I think he's pretty much blown any chance of that now. He doesn't have a "right" to see or speak to her or communicate with her in any way... sheer entitlement.Does it drive you nuts?

[user104658]

Does it drive you nuts?

It's none of my business nor anyone elses who isn't a member of their family so ... no I couldn't really give a ****.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Beso]

If he would just leave her alone she might eventually have decided to make contact with him, if and when she wanted to make contact with him. I think he's pretty much blown any chance of that now. He doesn't have a "right" to see or speak to her or communicate with her in any way... sheer entitlement.



He has a right to see his grandkids.

[Mitchell]

He has a right to see his grandkids.

He doesn’t.

[Beso]

He doesn’t.

Ok...

She doesnt have the right to stop them seeing him then...


Only a total bitch would do that to her kids and parents.

[user104658]

Ok...

She doesnt have the right to stop them seeing him then...

Legally, yes she does, until they're old enough to make that decision for themselves.


Only a total bitch would do that to her kids and parents.

You have no idea what her reasons are so you can't confidently make that statement. For example, if someone was raised in an abusive household, I'd find it very understandable (even expected) if that person then wanted their kids to have nothing to do with the grandparents, or at least very limited contact. I personally would extend that to any massive differences in personal philosophies (e.g. racism, homophobia) IF they can't keep that to themselves when they're around the kids. Being around an angry/abusive/disrespectful grandparent is far worse for a kid than not seeing them at all.

[Livia]

I feel sorry for him. Imagine backing your daughter until she makes it, so she can turn her back on you very publicly. I'm not sure how a father who was obviously very close to his daughter at one time, would cope with that. See the big Karma bus trundling up behind Meghan........

[Livia]

Legally, yes she does, until they're old enough to make that decision for themselves.




You have no idea what her reasons are so you can't confidently make that statement. For example, if someone was raised in an abusive household, I'd find it very understandable (even expected) if that person then wanted their kids to have nothing to do with the grandparents, or at least very limited contact. I personally would extend that to any massive differences in personal philosophies (e.g. racism, homophobia) IF they can't keep that to themselves when they're around the kids. Being around an angry/abusive/disrespectful grandparent is far worse for a kid than not seeing them at all.



Why are we imagining Meghan grew up in an abusive household?

[Kazanne]

No one knows fully whats gone on or what had led to their fall out ,no good blaming one because you like the other, truth is none of us KNOW what sort of people they are or what has happened , I never got on with my father but I would never have stopped him seeing his grandchildren, that seems rather cold to me ,and I would have been there for him had he been ill or needed me.

[Kazanne]

Why are we imagining Meghan grew up in an abusive household?

Theres a lot of imagination running rife in this thread Livia.:wavey:

[Livia]

No one knows fully whats gone on or what had led to their fall out ,no good blaming one because you like the other, truth is none of us KNOW what sort of people they are or what has happened , I never got on with my father but I would never have stopped him seeing his grandchildren, that seems rather cold to me ,and I would have been there for him had he been ill or needed me.

Like the ones calling him names are the ones in the know...

[Kazanne]

Like the ones calling him names are the ones in the know...

:hehe::laugh::wavey:

[user104658]

Why are we imagining Meghan grew up in an abusive household?

We're not - we're pointing out that no one knows the specifics of anyone's family situation if they're not a part of that family, and therefore we shouldn't judge other parents for their choices when it comes to who is and isn't regularly around their children.

Like I said it's not even just about abuse. There are plenty of parents who, for example, don't speak to their (adult) children respectfully or treat them as equals. If someone is raising their child to be respectful and treat people as equals, then it's perfectly legitimate to not want them to be in regular contact with someone who doesn't hold those values. And frankly, to not want to be around those people yourself.

If that person is desperate to keep in contact with their family then they'll moderate their behaviour and how they speak to people when they're around them. If they can't (i.e. won't) do that then tough **** ... and it's also legitimate to say "too little too late".

[Beso]

If she wasnt abused, then she is acting like a bitch.

We have had no reason to believe she was abused, but have plenty reason to know she was loved and adored by her dad, seeing that she has said so in many occasion.

So she is acting like a bitch, and I said that with confidence

[user104658]

If she wasnt abused, then she is acting like a bitch.

We have had no reason to believe she was abused, but have plenty reason to know she was loved and adored by her dad, seeing that she has said so in many occasion.

So she is acting like a bitch, and I said that with confidence

But "no reason to believe" means nothing - you have no idea about her personal family history, it's none of your business, and not your place to judge. It's really that simple. Maybe there was abuse, maybe there wasn't, maybe she has no reason, maybe she has plenty of reasons ... the point is, it's a parent's job to decide what's best for their children while they are children, so again, it's just no one else's business ... you don't know why she's made the choice, and you have no good reason to need to know why she's made that choice, or to really think anything of it at all.

[Beso]

But "no reason to believe" means nothing - you have no idea about her personal family history, it's none of your business, and not your place to judge. It's really that simple. Maybe there was abuse, maybe there wasn't, maybe she has no reason, maybe she has plenty of reasons ... the point is, it's a parent's job to decide what's best for their children while they are children, so again, it's just no one else's business ... you don't know why she's made the choice, and you have no good reason to need to know why she's made that choice, or to really think anything of it at all.




I can judge her actions...which I have done.

[user104658]

I can judge her actions...which I have done.

You can do whatever you want but I (personally) would say that it's generally not a good idea to judge a person's actions when you don't know their reasons... and when it comes to people's internal family relationships... that is 100% of the time. Never wise to judge as an outsider :shrug:. "Lest ye be judged", and all that.

[Mitchell]

Legally, yes she does, until they're old enough to make that decision for themselves.




You have no idea what her reasons are so you can't confidently make that statement. For example, if someone was raised in an abusive household, I'd find it very understandable (even expected) if that person then wanted their kids to have nothing to do with the grandparents, or at least very limited contact. I personally would extend that to any massive differences in personal philosophies (e.g. racism, homophobia) IF they can't keep that to themselves when they're around the kids. Being around an angry/abusive/disrespectful grandparent is far worse for a kid than not seeing them at all.

Summed up perfectly.

[Beso]

You can do whatever you want but I (personally) would say that it's generally not a good idea to judge a person's actions when you don't know their reasons... and when it comes to people's internal family relationships... that is 100% of the time. Never wise to judge as an outsider :shrug:. "Lest ye be judged", and all that.



Her family life has been well documented by herself, her sisters and her father...none of it included abuse...

So I will judge her on that

[Livia]

You can do whatever you want but I (personally) would say that it's generally not a good idea to judge a person's actions when you don't know their reasons... and when it comes to people's internal family relationships... that is 100% of the time. Never wise to judge as an outsider :shrug:. "Lest ye be judged", and all that.

Are you new here?

[Cherie]

We love a good judge, don't take that away from us

[GoldHeart]

Why is it wrong to ' judge' Thomas Markle ? but it's ok to berate Meghan as being a 'terrible daughter' ? :facepalm:.

Either we judge them both or neither surely ? .

[Crimson Dynamo]

The poor guy looks genuinely pained

How could she be so cruel?

[bots]

In what family would the father go on TV saying my daughter won't speak to me .... it's someone who obviously has mental health issues, and the media shouldnt be enabling it

[Crimson Dynamo]

In what family would the father go on TV saying my daughter won't speak to me .... it's someone who obviously has mental health issues, and the media shouldnt be enabling it

The decision to put him on TV was GMBs

What makes you think he has mental health problems?

Its not a prerequisite for appearing on that show

[GoldHeart]

What makes you think he's of sound mind with coherent thoughts ? :bored: .

[Crimson Dynamo]

What makes you think he's of sound mind with coherent thoughts ? :bored: .

why would i think that of anyone?

[rusticgal]

I still cannot understand the very people that call out Meghans father as utter scum for airing his dirty laundry on NTV yet support Meghan for doing just the same thing :shrug:….

[Beso]

Why is it wrong to ' judge' Thomas Markle ? but it's ok to berate Meghan as being a 'terrible daughter' ? :facepalm:.

Either we judge them both or neither surely ? .

Judge them both then.:shrug:

[smudgie]

In what family would the father go on TV saying my daughter won't speak to me .... it's someone who obviously has mental health issues, and the media shouldnt be enabling it

Yep..and then of course he will get paid for it, his little pension fund.

[Beso]

What makes you think he's of sound mind with coherent thoughts ? :bored: .

I wouldnt be surprised if hes went doolaly!

The poor bloke was a hermit before she dragged him through the mud. Tossing him to the side, making him feel unworthy, whilst also making him look unworthy.

Letting her husband bleat on about mental health, whilst he calls her father to tell him to eff off! Sending her father further down the road,of what may actually be drunken depression.

[jet]

It isn’t just her father she doesn’t want in her life any more, it is all of his side of the family, and also her mothers side - people she was previously close to; and they have spoken of how she has ghosted them also. We all know that not one of them was invited to her wedding, apart from Doria. The only difference is they aren’t desperate and hurting enough to do interviews to get her to contact them.
Many friends have been ghosted too.
Now Harry is estranged from his family. Meghan is the common denominator here in all these family breakdowns - it’s not just about her father, and people are still pretending not to notice that. Her mothers brother thinks it is because she is in a different social class now, sadly.

[Beso]

Harry's as guilty as her.

[jet]

Harry's as guilty as her.

They feed off each others bitterness and mental health issues.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It isn’t just her father she doesn’t want in her life any more, it is all of his side of the family, and also her mothers side - people she was previously close to; and they have spoken of how she has ghosted them also. We all know that not one of them was invited to her wedding, apart from Doria. The only difference is they aren’t desperate and hurting enough to do interviews to get her to contact them.
Many friends have been ghosted too.
Now Harry is estranged from his family. Meghan is the common denominator here in all these family breakdowns - it’s not just about her father, and people are still pretending not to notice that. Her mothers brother thinks it is because she is in a different social class now, sadly.

Thought ful and salient points Jet

[rusticgal]

It isn’t just her father she doesn’t want in her life any more, it is all of his side of the family, and also her mothers side - people she was previously close to; and they have spoken of how she has ghosted them also. We all know that not one of them was invited to her wedding, apart from Doria. The only difference is they aren’t desperate and hurting enough to do interviews to get her to contact them.
Many friends have been ghosted too.
Now Harry is estranged from his family. Meghan is the common denominator here in all these family breakdowns - it’s not just about her father, and people are still pretending not to notice that. Her mothers brother thinks it is because she is in a different social class now, sadly.

Absolutely….

[rusticgal]

Harry's as guilty as her.


He is….

[jet]

Meghan Markle talks to Elle about her Dad. 2015

When I was about seven, I had been fawning over a boxed set of Barbie dolls. It was called The Heart Family and included a mom doll, a dad doll, and two children. This perfect nuclear family was only sold in sets of white dolls or black dolls. I don't remember coveting one over the other, I just wanted one. On Christmas morning, swathed in glitter-flecked wrapping paper, there I found my Heart Family: a black mom doll, a white dad doll, and a child in each colour. My dad had taken the sets apart and customised my family.
She recalled the moment again in a piece on The Tig, and how she pictured him standing in Toys R Us making the gift.
“I picture him standing there in Toys R Us, mums glaring at him for taking the toys apart, perhaps an employee saying 'excuse me sir, you can’t do that' — as my dad carefully separated the boxed sets to make one that echoed my reality," she said.

There was a mandatory census I had to complete in my English class – you had to check one of the boxes to indicate your ethnicity: white, black, Hispanic or Asian. There I was (my curly hair, my freckled face, my pale skin, my mixed race) looking down at these boxes, not wanting to mess up, but not knowing what to do. You could only choose one, but that would be to choose one parent over the other – and one half of myself over the other. My teacher told me to check the box for Caucasian. 'Because that's how you look, Meghan,' she said. I put down my pen. Not as an act of defiance, but rather a symptom of my confusion. I couldn't bring myself to do that, to picture the pit-in-her-belly sadness my mother would feel if she were to find out. So, I didn't tick a box. I left my identity blank – a question mark, an absolute incomplete – much like how I felt.
When I went home that night, I told my dad what had happened. He said the words that have always stayed with me: 'If that happens again, you draw your own box.'
I never saw my father angry, but in that moment I could see the blotchiness of his skin crawling from pink to red. It made the green of his eyes pop and his brow was weighted at the thought of his daughter being prey to ignorance. Growing up in a homogeneous community in Pennsylvania, the concept of marrying an African-American woman was not on the cards for my dad. But he saw beyond what was put in front of him in that small-sized (and, perhaps, small-minded) town, and he wanted me to see beyond that census placed in front of me. He wanted me to find my own truth.

[Beso]

All she did was find lies.

[Cherie]

Meghan Markle talks to Elle about her Dad. 2015

When I was about seven, I had been fawning over a boxed set of Barbie dolls. It was called The Heart Family and included a mom doll, a dad doll, and two children. This perfect nuclear family was only sold in sets of white dolls or black dolls. I don't remember coveting one over the other, I just wanted one. On Christmas morning, swathed in glitter-flecked wrapping paper, there I found my Heart Family: a black mom doll, a white dad doll, and a child in each colour. My dad had taken the sets apart and customised my family.
She recalled the moment again in a piece on The Tig, and how she pictured him standing in Toys R Us making the gift.
“I picture him standing there in Toys R Us, mums glaring at him for taking the toys apart, perhaps an employee saying 'excuse me sir, you can’t do that' — as my dad carefully separated the boxed sets to make one that echoed my reality," she said.

There was a mandatory census I had to complete in my English class – you had to check one of the boxes to indicate your ethnicity: white, black, Hispanic or Asian. There I was (my curly hair, my freckled face, my pale skin, my mixed race) looking down at these boxes, not wanting to mess up, but not knowing what to do. You could only choose one, but that would be to choose one parent over the other – and one half of myself over the other. My teacher told me to check the box for Caucasian. 'Because that's how you look, Meghan,' she said. I put down my pen. Not as an act of defiance, but rather a symptom of my confusion. I couldn't bring myself to do that, to picture the pit-in-her-belly sadness my mother would feel if she were to find out. So, I didn't tick a box. I left my identity blank – a question mark, an absolute incomplete – much like how I felt.
When I went home that night, I told my dad what had happened. He said the words that have always stayed with me: 'If that happens again, you draw your own box.'
I never saw my father angry, but in that moment I could see the blotchiness of his skin crawling from pink to red. It made the green of his eyes pop and his brow was weighted at the thought of his daughter being prey to ignorance. Growing up in a homogeneous community in Pennsylvania, the concept of marrying an African-American woman was not on the cards for my dad. But he saw beyond what was put in front of him in that small-sized (and, perhaps, small-minded) town, and he wanted me to see beyond that census placed in front of me. He wanted me to find my own truth.

2015, I wonder what changed for her :think:

[bots]

relationships in families can change at any time. I can't believe people think it's normal for a father to appear on TV and say my daughter won't speak to me and then proceed to trash her. What do people expect the outcome to be after that? :laugh:

if Wills went on tv and said Harry won't speak to me, he is a real twat. Do people expect Harry to reconcile?

[thesheriff443]

relationships in families can change at any time. I can't believe people think it's normal for a father to appear on TV and say my daughter won't speak to me and then proceed to trash her. What do people expect the outcome to be after that? :laugh:

Well Meghan and Harry did that with the Oprah interview

Maybe he is desperate and when you are desperate you don’t always do the right things

The old saying comes to mind we only hurt the ones we love

[Nicky91]

attention seeking money hungry man that Thomas Markle


why else constantly want to be on TV and in tabloids, someone like him who is a heart patient shouldn't go through all of this

but he keeps seeking it up himself to just stir more drama, more attention and cash what comes from any more frontpage articles, like father like daughter :hehe:


wouldn't be surprised if he will publish a book soon :D

[joeysteele]

relationships in families can change at any time. I can't believe people think it's normal for a father to appear on TV and say my daughter won't speak to me and then proceed to trash her. What do people expect the outcome to be after that? :laugh:

if Wills went on tv and said Harry won't speak to me, he is a real twat. Do people expect Harry to reconcile?

All I'll say is I completely agree with this.

I've come across families that seemed strong together.
Where issues have arisen and family break up and separation results.

Once it happens, it's often much harder or near impossible to reconcile on.
However as you detail, even moreso when you have a Parent, going on TV as this man does.
Running down his daughter.

It is sad a Grandparent cannot see their Grandchild, however it is up to the Parents to permit that access.
He was on about taking legal action, although adding he wouldn't do so, (a veiled threat nonetheless).
There are many Grandparents not permitted to see grandchildren through marriage break-ups, or problems with other in laws.

However everytime he WILLINGLY appears on TV like he does, to me he seems like he's revelling in having some warped kind of attention.
I'd myself hate to have a parent like he seems to be.

[Nicky91]

i think dear Thomas here believes in YOLO quite a lot

i mean you do only live once, so better take that opportunity to trash talk your daughter in every single interview what you do


tbh black sheep Meghan that is, not his precious Samantha the Snake of course

[rusticgal]

relationships in families can change at any time. I can't believe people think it's normal for a father to appear on TV and say my daughter won't speak to me and then proceed to trash her. What do people expect the outcome to be after that? :laugh:

if Wills went on tv and said Harry won't speak to me, he is a real twat. Do people expect Harry to reconcile?


They can change at any time....and often no words get spoken again and no effort of reconciliation. Its very apparent he wants to reconcile...he hasnt really trashed her at all but the more she backs off the more resentful he will get.
He has reached out quite publicly...it seems its ok for Meghan to dish the dirt but all he wants is to be on speaking terms and meet his grandchildren.

[GoldHeart]

I can't have sympathy for someone so bitter and thoughtless. He thinks Meghan and Harry "owe" him something. He's ruined any small chance there ever was of reuniting/ starting again.

And be honest who would still want anything to do with Thomas Markle, if he was YOUR DAD trashing you to the media for a quick buck ?? . I certainly would find it difficult to build a relationship with him again .

[Liam-]

A father spends the past few years publicly slagging off his daughter and selling as many stories about her as possible to line his own pockets, then is shocked when she wants nothing to do with him, it’s a prime example of parental arrogance, people don’t have to hero worship their parents just because they’re their parents, he’s treated her like dirt for years now, he hasn’t acted like a father should act, so why in any sort of fashion, should he receive any of the benefits of being her father?

[Beso]

He hasnt acted like a father should because he was stopped from being given the chance.

Take the wedding for example.

[Cherie]

I have only seen him interviewed once or twice, not followed him around religiously, but with those I did see, he didn't thrash her, he seems very confused by her and Harrys actions, and going on TV seems to be his release mechanism, I don't particularly agree with it but alot of people who are now saying he needs to stay quiet had no issue with Harry and Megs rocking up to thrash everyone in sight :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

I have only seen him interviewed once or twice, not followed him around religiously, but with those I did see, he didn't thrash her, he seems very confused by her and Harrys actions, and going on TV seems to be his release mechanism, I don't particularly agree with it but alot of people who are now saying he needs to stay quiet had no issue with Harry and Megs rocking up to thrash everyone in sight :laugh:

Him & Samantha have made a few parasite appearances.

And what about that documentary he did a while ago..

He literally said in the programme regarding Meghan and Harry "They owe me " , he's so resentful and bitter .

[rusticgal]

I can't have sympathy for someone so bitter and thoughtless. .



You seem to have it for Harry and Meghan though....:smug:

[Cherie]

Him & Samantha have made a few parasite appearances.

And what about that documentary he did a while ago..

He literally said in the programme regarding Meghan and Harry "They owe me " , he's so resentful and bitter .

Like I say I dont follow him religiously, how can you condone Harry and Megs thrashing the family but not Thomas, surely they are both as bad as each other :shrug:

[bots]

Like I say I dont follow him religiously, how can you condone Harry and Megs thrashing the family but not Thomas, surely they are both as bad as each other :shrug:

they are just as bad, but H&M aren't demanding the Royal firm speak to them :laugh:

I think the whole thing is a giant embarrassment on both sides

[rusticgal]

Like I say I dont follow him religiously, how can you condone Harry and Megs thrashing the family but not Thomas, surely they are both as bad as each other :shrug:


They ARE as bad as each other....you cant slaughter one and not the other.

[Glenn.]

They ARE as bad as each other....you cant slaughter one and not the other.

Except for when the Meghan haters take her scum fathers words as gospel though

[rusticgal]

Except for when the Meghan haters take her scum fathers words as gospel though


17 of Meghan and Harrys 'truths' have been proven to be lies...so far none of his accusations have been proved right or wrong....

[Glenn.]

17 of Meghan and Harrys 'truths' have been proven to be lies...so far none of his accusations have been proved right or wrong....

Regardless of whatever bollocks been proven or unproven, the act of a father going on telly to trash his own daughter is completely fine because the Meghan haters feel like they have an ally for their irrationality. Thus proving my point.

[Vanessa]

Him selling stories about her to the papers is not helping the situation.

[Beso]

Regardless of whatever bollocks been proven or unproven, the act of a father going on telly to trash his own daughter is completely fine because the Meghan haters feel like they have an ally for their irrationality. Thus proving my point.

He hasnt trashed her though.:joker:

[jet]

We know this much - In the extra interview piece Oprah asked Meghan about her estrangement from her father and Meghan said the reason was that he had taken money in exchange for pap pics of him and then lied to her about doing it. He has said the same thing so their reasons are in accord there.
He has also said that she wanted him to no longer speak to her half sister and brother, which he refused to do.

It was quite a while after she refused all contact with him before he gave his first interview and it has gone from bad to worse ever since. It seems to me that Meghan is brutally stubborn and unforgiving, because was what he did all that bad? (he was being papped in a bad light and was told staged pics would improve his image) - given that Meghan has done the tell - all interview and told many many lies - and her own husband has trashed his father publicly...
I do have more sympathy for him though. He seems totally at sea as to why she has cut him out of her life so ruthlessly - and indeed why she has cut ALL of her family but Doria on both sides out of her life. Whatever did her mothers family do to her? :rolleyes:

[rusticgal]

Regardless of whatever bollocks been proven or unproven, the act of a father going on telly to trash his own daughter is completely fine because the Meghan haters feel like they have an ally for their irrationality. Thus proving my point.



But you defend someone who goes on NTV to trash her husbands family….but trash someone for reaching out to his.
It’s quite clear who is being irrational here…

[Beso]

But you defend someone who goes on NTV to trash her husbands family….but trash someone for reaching out to his.
It’s quite clear who is being irrational here…

It's TRUE rustic, it is his only way to reach out to what is left of the thing he held so dear for years and tears....

Harry has made sure of that.

[Jordan.]

Her scrounging family love reminding us of why they have been rightfully cut off.

[thesheriff443]

Regardless of whatever bollocks been proven or unproven, the act of a father going on telly to trash his own daughter is completely fine because the Meghan haters feel like they have an ally for their irrationality. Thus proving my point.

All you have proven to to everyone one on here that you are still obsessed with using the words haters and irrationality as a dig at members because can’t accept people don’t like the pair of lying hypocrites..

[rusticgal]

Her scrounging family love reminding us of why they have been rightfully cut off.


….like Meghan has shown us how she ruthlessly cuts people off when they no longer have an impact on her life….

[Jordan.]

….like Meghan has shown us how she ruthlessly cuts people off when they no longer have an impact on her life….

And she's thriving for it :flutter:

[rusticgal]

And she's thriving for it :flutter:


No one thrives on morals like that….people are seeing her for what she is…and it’s not attractive…:laugh:

[Jordan.]

No one thrives on morals like that….people are seeing her for what she is…and it’s not attractive…:laugh:

She's thriving, people whining about her behind their keyboards doesn't change the facts.

[rusticgal]

She's thriving, people whining about her behind their keyboards doesn't change the facts.


Really? I don’t really think she’s thriving the way she would clearly like to be. The wind has changed and it’s all blowing back in her face….and Harry has lost all credibility…

[Glenn.]

All you have proven to to everyone one on here that you are still obsessed with using the words haters and irrationality as a dig at members because can’t accept people don’t like the pair of lying hypocrites..

Oh look sheriffs here to obsess over my posts again

[Jordan.]

Really? I don’t really think she’s thriving the way she would clearly like to be. The wind has changed and it’s all blowing back in her face….and Harry has lost all credibility…

Her career is in the best place it as ever been, they go from achievement to achievement... nothing has blown up in her face. Delusion and wishful thinking isn't getting the haters anywhere.

[user104658]

But you defend someone who goes on NTV to trash her husbands family….but trash someone for reaching out to his.
It’s quite clear who is being irrational here…


How is he “reaching out” to them by doing the very thing that’s likely to alienate them further? :joker: that’s like an estranged alcoholic parent “reaching out” to their kids by inviting them to the pub.

[thesheriff443]

Oh look sheriffs here to obsess over my posts again

It’s not me it him bollox doesn’t work either.

[thesheriff443]

How is he “reaching out” to them by doing the very thing that’s likely to alienate them further? :joker: that’s like an estranged alcoholic parent “reaching out” to their kids by inviting them to the pub.

To be honest comparing him to an alcoholic parent reaching out to her to go for a drink is one of silliest things you have said.

lots of people get the media involved to try to get a breakthrough if he is on the news there is a good chance she will see it.

Katie price has used the media before now asking Harvey’s dad to be a part of his life.
In the us celebrities often us the media talk show to give their version of a relationship so it’s not like it’s never been done before

[user104658]

To be honest comparing him to an alcoholic parent reaching out to her to go for a drink is one of silliest things you have said.

lots of people get the media involved to try to get a breakthrough if he is on the news there is a good chance she will see it.

Katie price has used the media before now asking Harvey’s dad to be a part of his life.
In the us celebrities often us the media talk show to give their version of a relationship so it’s not like it’s never been done before


I don’t think it’s silly at all. A lot of people become estranged from their parents because of drinking problems: Meghan - at least partly - became estranged from her dad because of his interactions with the media/“selling out”. So just as it would be bizarre for a parent whose offspring doesn’t like their drinking to reach out over a drink, it’s bizarre for a parent whose offspring didn’t like his use of the media to tell stories about her to … reach out by talking about the situation to the media.

It’s bull****, he must know fine well it’s only going to put another nail in the relationship, so I can only believe he’s doing it either for the money or out of spite. Both are awful.

In regards to the Harvey Price part - it’s quite obviously different when a parent is asking, not for themselves, but in what they believe is the best interests of their child… and when someone is acting purely for themselves. It’s not really comparable.

It’s not even like I have no sympathy for him, he’s clearly gotten himself into quite a sad, lonely situation but the idea that his current actions are an attempt to repair it? … They can’t possibly be.

[thesheriff443]

[QUOTE=Toy Soldier;11105447]I don’t think it’s silly at all. A lot of people become estranged from their parents because of drinking problems: Meghan - at least partly - became estranged from her dad because of his interactions with the media/“selling out”. So just as it would be bizarre for a parent whose offspring doesn’t like their drinking to reach out over a drink, it’s bizarre for a parent whose offspring didn’t like his use of the media to tell stories about her to … reach out by talking about the situation to the media.

It’s bull****, he must know fine well it’s only going to put another nail in the relationship, so I can only believe he’s doing it either for the money or out of spite. Both are awful.

In regards to the Harvey Price part - it’s quite obviously different when a parent is asking, not for themselves, but in what they believe is the best interests of their child… and when someone is acting purely for themselves. It’s not really comparable.

It’s not even like I have no sympathy for him, he’s clearly gotten himself into quite a sad, lonely situation but the idea that his current actions are an attempt to repair it? … They can’t possibly be.[/QUOTE

Comparing a man wanting to see his grand kids to an alcoholic is fcuked up

As to the media it’s meghans fault that this man is the focus of press attention because if she hadn’t married Harry they would have no interest in him

His life has been turned upside down because of his daughters actions not the other way round.

[user104658]

Comparing a man wanting to see his grand kids to an alcoholic is fcuked up

I’m sure lots of estranged alcoholics want to see their grandkids? This is not the comparison being made at all. We’re comparing an alcoholic to someone who sold pictures and stories about his daughter to the press - not to “a man who wants to see his grandkids”. Also, again, his current actions (doing the same thing… again…) is pretty much ensuring he’ll NEVER get to see them so the idea that it’s about him wanting to be in their lives is nonsense. Again, he can only either be doing it for the money, or out of spite.

As to the media it’s meghans fault that this man is the focus of press attention because if she hadn’t married Harry they would have no interest in him

What a cop out. He doesn’t have to speak to the press and never did, no one forced his hand, he made that decision.

His life has been turned upside down because of his daughters actions not the other way round.

His life has been turned upside down because of his own actions.

[Glenn.]

As to the media it’s meghans fault that this man is the focus of press attention because if she hadn’t married Harry they would have no interest in him

His life has been turned upside down because of his daughters actions not the other way round.

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

[rusticgal]

How is he “reaching out” to them by doing the very thing that’s likely to alienate them further? :joker: that’s like an estranged alcoholic parent “reaching out” to their kids by inviting them to the pub.


If you keep telling someone you want to make contact with them...I call that reaching out :smug:....what do you call it?

[bots]

If you keep telling someone you want to make contact with them...I call that reaching out :smug:....what do you call it?

unstable

[user104658]

If you keep telling someone you want to make contact with them...I call that reaching out :smug:....what do you call it?

If you tell someone you want to make contact with them, that's reaching out.

If you KEEP TELLING THEM that you want to make contact, when you know that they already know that and have not been receptive, and you repeatedly do it publicly ... ? I call that harassment.

[jet]

I'll repeat what I said 18 months ago on this thread as my opinion hasn't changed:

I don’t support him giving interviews; I have never said I agree with what he is doing. I was laying out how the estrangement by all accounts is said to have happened. The reasons she turned her back on him initially weren't that terrible, especially as she had neglected him at a time when he was all at sea and given no protection to deal with the huge impact of what was happening, and not even shown the respect of meeting Harry.
I don’t know how any adult could ignore their father’s heart surgery. She should have been over there as soon after the wedding as possible to visit him, but she didn’t even ask him how it went or indeed inquire after his health at all subsequently. How could anyone think that was fine? Instead Harry berated him while lying in his hospital bed. Disgusting.

Mr. Markle strikes me as desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated and probably in need of money to pay for his ongoing poor health issues. Meghan strikes me as cold, unforgiving, shallow, self - absorbed, fame hungry, and a serious grudge holder.
She has a history of discarding people when they are no longer of use to her. Her former friends before Suits (all her ‘friends’ now are rich and/or famous), her extended families, her former husband who was discarded in a cruel way (and who was the one who got her acting roles to begin with), and now the royal family. When there is a pattern, there is a big red flag. I just don’t think she is a nice person, period.

[user104658]

Mr. Markle strikes me as desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated

His own fault

and probably in need of money to pay for his ongoing poor health issues.

The fault of his country's healthcare systems.



... ... why is everyone so keen to assign blame to his daughter? Unimaginable really.

[jet]

His own fault



The fault of his country's healthcare systems.



... ... why is everyone so keen to assign blame to his daughter? Unimaginable really.

They are both at fault but she moreso, imo. I see you have ignored those parts of my post that refer to Meghan's actions.
Do you assign no blame to Meghan? If you do, what?

[jet]

Mr Markle was silent for 8 months in the hope she would contact him, and nada. He is playing right into her hands by continuing to do interviews, as it suits her to have her father trashed as she loves playing the victim and having her fans all up in arms and being hypocrites just for her.
(“Oh, I hate the media and I hate what my Dad did, but it’s fine for me to do the same thing”).
Otherwise why hasn’t she nipped this in the bud a long time ago and went to see him to tell him how she felt and get his side along with the husband he was never introduced to….and why has she cut off ALL members of her extended families?
By all accounts she doted on her father until she met Harry, there is not one thing out there that says otherwise. It was within Meghan’s power to put a stop to the spectacle and she should have long ago, if she had any love at all for the man who did so much for her. After all, as cringeworthy as it all is, he is only asking to see her and his grandchildren now and then, he’s not asking to live with her.
There are red flags all over the place with Meghan and it is odd in the extreme that some pretend not to see them.

[user104658]

Mr Markle was silent for 8 months in the hope she would contact him, and nada. He is playing right into her hands by continuing to do interviews, as it suits her to have her father trashed as she loves playing the victim and having her fans all up in arms and being hypocrites just for her.
(“Oh, I hate the media and I hate what my Dad did, but it’s fine for me to do the same thing”).
Otherwise why hasn’t she nipped this in the bud a long time ago and went to see him to tell him how she felt and get his side along with the husband he was never introduced to….and why has she cut off ALL members of her extended families?
By all accounts she doted on her father until she met Harry, there is not one thing out there that says otherwise. It was within Meghan’s power to put a stop to the spectacle and she should have long ago, if she had any love at all for the man who did so much for her. After all, as cringeworthy as it all is, he is only asking to see her and his grandchildren now and then, he’s not asking to live with her.
There are red flags all over the place with Meghan and it is odd in the extreme that some pretend not to see them.

Again though, no one has any idea about the ins and outs of their family history (nor anyone elses) ... that's just how it is with families, surely? Skeletons in the closet and nothing is as it seems from the outside. So why try to "guess"?

I mean... even if your suspicions are right and she is just "not a nice person", that's really just more proof for the above and not less. How do you think "not nice people" come to be that? They don't spring up out of the ground like Orcs... they are generally products of their family circumstances.

[bots]

also, why would someone desperately insist on the right to speak to someone who is "not a nice person" .... it doesn't add up which ever way you look at it :laugh:

you are a **** ... i insist on speaking to you :wavey:

[user104658]

Do you assign no blame to Meghan? If you do, what?

Do I assign any blame to Meghan (or anyone else) for her father's emotional state as a "desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated" person ... or for him needing money to fund care for healthcare issues?

No, that would be ludicrous, his self-care and self-worth are entirely his own responsibility and if he's dependent on his daughter for validation well ... it's therapy he needs before anything else. That sort of dependence isn't healthy in any way.

And as for the healthcare stuff no obviously not, but that's a completely different debate, it's not his fault either that most of the world can't offer decent healthcare without a hefty price tag. That's just a genuinely sad situation.

[jet]

also, why would someone desperately insist on the right to speak to someone who is "not a nice person" .... it doesn't add up which ever way you look at it :laugh:

you are a **** ... i insist on speaking to you :wavey:

He said she changed when she met Harry, but she's still his daughter. Parents can still love a daughter they doted on while thinking they are not particularly 'nice' nowadays.

[bots]

He said she changed when she met Harry, but she's still his daughter. Parents can still love a daughter they doted on while thinking they are not particularly 'nice' nowadays.

and loving them means to respect their wishes and be there if they need you ... not demanding like him

[Jordan.]

He said she changed when she met Harry, but she's still his daughter. Parents can still love a daughter they doted on while thinking they are not particularly 'nice' nowadays.

It's almost like marrying into royalty would add immense pressure to a person and their public image and having blabbermouth relatives looking to cash in on your name would become less than ideal.

[jet]

Do I assign any blame to Meghan (or anyone else) for her father's emotional state as a "desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated" person ... or for him needing money to fund care for healthcare issues?

No, that would be ludicrous, his self-care and self-worth are entirely his own responsibility and if he's dependent on his daughter for validation well ... it's therapy he needs before anything else. That sort of dependence isn't healthy in any way.

And as for the healthcare stuff no obviously not, but that's a completely different debate, it's not his fault either that most of the world can't offer decent healthcare without a hefty price tag. That's just a genuinely sad situation.

Nobody has said he is dependent on his daugher for validation; but according to you, Mr. Markle should be able to just flick a switch and turn any feelings of confusion, anger or frustration off like superhuman you obviously could do.
And his multi millionaire daughter shouldn’t even consider helping her ailing 77 yr old father with medical bills. Even though he worked his butt off to send the daughter he loved so much to the very best schools and put her through an expensive uni to get her the education she is benefiting from today, he can just die sooner rather than later, why should she care, nothing to do with her. Nice.

[rusticgal]

Her career is in the best place it as ever been, they go from achievement to achievement... nothing has blown up in her face. Delusion and wishful thinking isn't getting the haters anywhere.


OK...:laugh:

[thesheriff443]

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

You got nothing to add as usual only childish jokers

[jet]

It's almost like marrying into royalty would add immense pressure to a person and their public image and having blabbermouth relatives looking to cash in on your name would become less than ideal.

Almost like marrying into royalty and discarding all family and former friends because they aren’t good enough any more. Roll up Oprah, the Beckhams and the Clooney’s...

[jet]

Her career is in the best place it as ever been, they go from achievement to achievement... nothing has blown up in her face. Delusion and wishful thinking isn't getting the haters anywhere.

What achievements? They are being offered deals and money off the back of the royal family, not on their own merit. I haven't seen one thing of any substance so far in nearly 2 years.

[jet]

and loving them means to respect their wishes and be there if they need you ... not demanding like him

He was always there when she needed him, the expensive education, the car, the apartment, the days out in his jeep, the teaching her how to fish, the loving advice. She no longer needs him because he's old and he isn't perfect and he's thrown onto the rubbish heap along with a lot of other people she has no more use for.

[bots]

He was always there when she needed him, the expensive education, the car, the apartment, the days out in his jeep, the teaching her how to fish, the loving advice. She no longer needs him because he's old and he isn't perfect and he's thrown onto the rubbish heap along with a lot of other people she has no more use for.

plenty parents help their kids in life and dont get or expect anything for it and that includes that they must keep in touch with them, because that is the persons choice

I dont like Harry or Meghan, but I won't take the side of someone else because they are in confrontation with them like so many seem to be doing in this thread. If this person wasn't being critical of Meghan he would be laughed off the forum by everyone

[Glenn.]

You got nothing to add as usual only childish jokers

You blamed her scrounging scum father cashing in on her name because she married Harry. What you said was hilarious and irrational

[AnnieK]

Meghan has claimed in Court documents that she has helped financially over the years until the relationship broke down, her education was funded in part by her father, in part by her mother and from grants and scholarships. Her father won and then subsequently lost a great deal of money in a lottery win and used some of that money on her education but also spent some on his son and daughter. There does come a time when parent's and children can only do so much to support their families and people have to stand on their own two feet. Who knows the real story :shrug: Doubt we will ever know.

[jet]

plenty parents help their kids in life and dont get or expect anything for it and that includes that they must keep in touch with them, because that is the persons choice

I dont like Harry or Meghan, but I won't take the side of someone else because they are in confrontation with them like so many seem to be doing in this thread. If this person wasn't being critical of Meghan he would be laughed off the forum by everyone

They wouldn't be laughed off by me, no matter who the ailing father and multi millionaire daugher was. I think its horrific that Meghan isn't making sure her ailing father gets all the medical care he needs - that is the main reason I dislike her so much (among others of course). He shouldn't have to 'expect' anything, it should be done, end of.
Respecting what my parents have done for me and giving back has always been a priority for me. My own kids are so good to us and we're not perfect. Taking and not giving back to anyone is not something I can brush off.
It's just a 'thing' for me.

[Jordan.]

What achievements? They are being offered deals and money off the back of the royal family, not on their own merit. I haven't seen one thing of any substance so far in nearly 2 years.

Take that issue up with the rest of the family you enjoy giving a good rimming.

[jet]

Meghan has claimed in Court documents that she has helped financially over the years until the relationship broke down, her education was funded in part by her father, in part by her mother and from grants and scholarships. Her father won and then subsequently lost a great deal of money in a lottery win and used some of that money on her education but also spent some on his son and daughter. There does come a time when parent's and children can only do so much to support their families and people have to stand on their own two feet. Who knows the real story :shrug: Doubt we will ever know.

I have never heard of of that ....and her father claims he has documents and bank statements that prove that he funded her education after she was filmed telling a group of students that she had to work and get grants to get through college. Remember the half sister Sam nearly having apoplexy in an interview when someone told her that Meghan had said that? :hee:
Meghan said in her Tig blog that she owed everything to her 'wonderful Dad'....and of course he is going to also help his other daughter and son. :shrug:
Whatever the truth, she should help her father with his healthcare. No excuses for not doing so.

[jet]

Take that issue up with the rest of the family you enjoy giving a good rimming.

You are so crude.
You obviously have no idea what the royal family do and all their fantastic achievements.
The latest is William's Earthshot initiative, on TV the other night. Harry and Meghan should watch it and see how these things are done.

[Glenn.]

:joker: :joker: :joker: