why is there more outrage at Meghan than Prince Andrew?

[Amy Jade]

all shes done is try to escape a lifestyle that she nor her husband wanted to be in...prince Andrew was best mates with a peado and is looking likely to be one himself yet the media are still more interested in painting Meghan as some sort of super villain

[Beso]

If they didn't want to be in that lifestyle why would they want to continue working for the royals for certain things?

[Niamh.]

I would say I was baffled by it but I'm not at all, I can think of at least 3 reasons why

[Livia]

Hmmm not for me. I'm equally disinterested in them all. Andrew needs to get his arse over the the States and answer any question they ask him. If he doesn't he's guilty...that's what it'll look like, and I can't see any other reason not to face the music.

Meghan's been part of the royal family for just a couple of years. She married Harry, one of everyone's royal favourites. Everyone remembers the little boy walking behind his Mum's coffin and I think we all took him under our wing. Meghan arrives and Harry's personality seemed to change. Now they don't want to be part of the royal family any more, they don't want to take part in royal duties... but they DO want to keep the brand "Sussex Royal", even though neither of them is now an HRH. It's going to include clothes designed by Meghan, apparently. I don't need a TV actress from California to tell me how to dress and I don't need her to tell me how to save the world.

I'd be happy if all three of them disappeared from public life now.

[Amy Jade]

If they didn't want to be in that lifestyle why would they want to continue working for the royals for certain things?

if you mean charity work then presumably because it's one of the things they enjoy about being in the royal family. they are both clearly very passionate about certain organisations they help

[Livia]

if you mean charity work then presumably because it's one of the things they enjoy about being in the royal family. they are both clearly very passionate about certain organisations they help

When you say "help", AJ... they travel first class and get their picture taken. Now I know it's great that they use their fame to raise important issues, but please don't ask me to believe that what they do is "work". It's just privileged people on a jolly.

[Amy Jade]

When you say "help", AJ... they travel first class and get their picture taken. Now I know it's great that they use their fame to raise important issues, but please don't ask me to believe that what they do is "work". It's just privileged people on a jolly.

well I'm not denying mistakes were made around that situation, however the fact the replies here so far have been heavily negative of meghan while prince andrew the peado is not spoken of speaks volumes.

the charity I know meghan is a patron of and still will be is a dogs home in london btw

[thesheriff443]

Epstein is dead and will not face justice,but claims against his fortune will be made.

Can anyone see prince Andrew going to prison for these allegations against him?

People are not interested in this case or Andrew.

[arista]

all shes done is try to escape a lifestyle that she nor her husband wanted to be in...prince Andrew was best mates with a peado and is looking likely to be one himself yet the media are still more interested in painting Meghan as some sort of super villain



Outrage : It what she preaches.

It get folks angry.

[Marsh.]

Hmmm not for me. I'm equally disinterested in them all. Andrew needs to get his arse over the the States and answer any question they ask him. If he doesn't he's guilty...that's what it'll look like, and I can't see any other reason not to face the music.

Meghan's been part of the royal family for just a couple of years. She married Harry, one of everyone's royal favourites. Everyone remembers the little boy walking behind his Mum's coffin and I think we all took him under our wing. Meghan arrives and Harry's personality seemed to change. Now they don't want to be part of the royal family any more, they don't want to take part in royal duties... but they DO want to keep the brand "Sussex Royal", even though neither of them is now an HRH. It's going to include clothes designed by Meghan, apparently. I don't need a TV actress from California to tell me how to dress and I don't need her to tell me how to save the world.

I'd be happy if all three of them disappeared from public life now.

How is designing a clothing line telling you how to dress? Will you be forced to buy it? :laugh:

Unless you're Maria Von Trapp turning your nan's curtains into clothes, someone else is designing the clothing you wear and making it. :smug:

[Amy Jade]

Outrage : It what she preaches.

It get folks angry.

So people are more angry at a woman for being preachy than a man molesting a minor?

[Amy Jade]

Outrage : It what she preaches.

It get folks angry.

So people are more angry at a woman for being preachy than a man molesting a minor?

[Niamh.]

So people are more angry at a woman for being preachy than a man molesting a minor?

Are you surprised?

[Amy Jade]

Are you surprised?

Yes! :laugh:

[Alf]

So people are more angry at a woman for being preachy than a man molesting a minor?We don't actually know he did do that, yet.

But no, I certainly would be more angry towards a child molester than a preachy woman. And I'd be equally as angry at anybody who knew about it and covered it up.

[Livia]

well I'm not denying mistakes were made around that situation, however the fact the replies here so far have been heavily negative of meghan while prince andrew the peado is not spoken of speaks volumes.

the charity I know meghan is a patron of and still will be is a dogs home in london btw

You say Prince Andrew is a paedo. But there is no evidence to prove that except a photo, allegedly of him with his arm around a young girl. The picture is a copy of a copy... as evidence, it's pretty thin. I'm not making excuses for him, I'm merely pointing out that there is no hard evidence. I do think he should be speaking to the US police, though.

I think the feelings people had about Meghan at first were quite different from what they are now. The press is despicable. But you can't say we didn't all know that. Who here even reads the tabloid press? And who doesn't take it with a huge pinch of salt.

We have her self-indulgent "why aren't people asking me how I am?" interview with Tom Bradby, but not much more, because despite the privileged life she stepped into, one that she had been repeatedly warned about by her own admission, she's not been happy with it from the start. Now they want out. Great. Go.... And leave your royal brand behind you if you're going to do nothing to earn it.

Just my opinion of course.


How is designing a clothing line telling you how to dress? Will you be forced to buy it? :laugh:

Unless you're Maria Von Trapp turning your nan's curtains into clothes, someone else is designing the clothing you wear and making it. :smug:

What I mean Marshy, is that she's not a designer, but she's going to be offering her clothes to women. Like her "style" is all her own. And you know, if she wants to do that, great! I hope it works out for her. But she wants to do it under the "Sussex Royal" brand. But she doesn't want to be part of the royal family. Seems a little... Machiavellian to me.

[Niamh.]

Yes! :laugh:

You are young.....but you will learn :p

[Livia]

So people are more angry at a woman for being preachy than a man molesting a minor?

Are you surprised?

I'm pretty surprised. Unless TiBB has unearthed some evidence?

[Kizzy]

Yes! :laugh:

Don't be, it's the way it is but by all means keep calling it out, it helps :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

all shes done is try to escape a lifestyle that she nor her husband wanted to be in...prince Andrew was best mates with a peado and is looking likely to be one himself yet the media are still more interested in painting Meghan as some sort of super villain

I agree with you 100% Amy Jade.

If I didn't know any better I'd think that the Media have targeted Meghan to make people forget about the investigation on Andrew.

[Niamh.]

I'm pretty surprised. Unless TiBB has unearthed some evidence?

Ohhhhh sorry I forgot, it couldn't have been him because he was eating Pizza and not sweating at the time or something

[Livia]

I agree with you 100% Amy Jade.

If I didn't know any better I'd think that the Media have targeted Meghan to make people forget about the investigation on Andrew.

Why would they do that? What would be the point? If we were talking about William, fair enough. But we're talking about Andrew. A minor royal, and not a very popular one.

[Livia]

Ohhhhh sorry I forgot, it couldn't have been him because he was eating Pizza and not sweating at the time or something

I don't know why you're making a joke here. I'm telling you there is no evidence. Do you think there is some? Forget the interview.... Evidence.

[Niamh.]

I don't know why you're making a joke here. I'm telling you there is no evidence. Do you think there is some? Forget the interview.... Evidence.

Sorry your honour

[Marsh.]

You say Prince Andrew is a paedo. But there is no evidence to prove that except a photo, allegedly of him with his arm around a young girl. The picture is a copy of a copy... as evidence, it's pretty thin. I'm not making excuses for him, I'm merely pointing out that there is no hard evidence. I do think he should be speaking to the US police, though.

I think the feelings people had about Meghan at first were quite different from what they are now. The press is despicable. But you can't say we didn't all know that. Who here even reads the tabloid press? And who doesn't take it with a huge pinch of salt.

We have her self-indulgent "why aren't people asking me how I am?" interview with Tom Bradby, but not much more, because despite the privileged life she stepped into, one that she had been repeatedly warned about by her own admission, she's not been happy with it from the start. Now they want out. Great. Go.... And leave your royal brand behind you if you're going to do nothing to earn it.

Just my opinion of course.




What I mean Marshy, is that she's not a designer, but she's going to be offering her clothes to women. Like her "style" is all her own. And you know, if she wants to do that, great! I hope it works out for her. But she wants to do it under the "Sussex Royal" brand. But she doesn't want to be part of the royal family. Seems a little... Machiavellian to me.

See I think there's a difference between the official duties required of them to fulfil for the public/country and the titles/family name that they own/inherit that is theirs to do as they please. :shrug: The names/titles are just that.

[Livia]

Sorry your honour

This is serious debates, Niamh. Please don't take the piss out of me becasuse you can.

Am I not allowed to think about anything on here from a legal perspective? Why not?

[Livia]

See I think there's a difference between the official duties required of them to fulfil for the public/country and the titles/family name that they own/inherit that is theirs to do as they please. :shrug: The names/titles are just that.

Sussex Royal is not a title. It's a brand.

[Niamh.]

This is serious debates, Niamh. Please don't take the piss out of me becasuse you can.

Am I not allowed to think about anything on here from a legal perspective? Why not?

Yes this is serious debates not court, if I want to give my opinion based on his interview, I am perfectly entitled to do that Livia.

[Liam-]

I wonder why, what ever could it be?

[Mystic Mock]

Why would they do that? What would be the point? If we were talking about William, fair enough. But we're talking about Andrew. A minor royal, and not a very popular one.

He is still the Queen's Son, the Newspapers that are Royalists aren't gonna want to piss her off.

[Kizzy]

Why would they do that? What would be the point? If we were talking about William, fair enough. But we're talking about Andrew. A minor royal, and not a very popular one.

Andrew at harrys age was a major royal... he was in all the papers all the time, randy Andy they called him.

Its only since he got older and the company he kept changed the media lost focus on him ...for some reason.

[Jake.]

Because Andrew isn’t a mixed race female from another country.

[Livia]

Yes this is serious debate not court, if I want to give my opinion based on his interview, I am perfectly entitled to do that Livia.

Yes you are. But you're not entitled to take the piss out of me.

I am not "your honour". Hilarious though it was.

Everyone uses their backgrounds and knowledge to come to an opinion, and that's fine. Unless it's me?

You can continue to make unfounded allegations about people with absolutely no knowledge of the truthfulness of it, if that's what you want to do in a serious debate. You're a mod. You can pretty much say what you like. But that doesn't give you permission to ridicule me. So I'd appreciate it if you knocked it off.

[Marsh.]

Sussex Royal is not a title. It's a brand.

Yes, formed off the back of their titles/the fact they are royals.

They are no longer paid by the taxpayers to carry out "official" duties on behalf of the country. So they can really do as they please with their names, brands and status. That's theirs, he's still a Prince and they're still part of the Royal family. Not really a big deal. Charles sells overpriced horrible biscuits.

[Niamh.]

Because Andrew isn’t a mixed race female from another country.

all 3 reasons in one sentence :hehe:

[Beso]

So people are more angry at a woman for being preachy than a man molesting a minor?

Are they though, imo her father is the one receiving most abuse and Andrew is still being pressed to and slated for not answering to the calls for him to spill.

[Livia]

Yes, formed off the back of their titles/the fact they are royals.

They are no longer paid by the taxpayers to carry out "official" duties on behalf of the country. So they can really do as they please with their names, brands and status. That's theirs, he's still a Prince and they're still part of the Royal family. Not really a big deal.

They are not royal highnesses anymore, and I think it's highly dubious of them to claim they want to step away from the royal family, but keep their "royal brand". Just my opinion, Marshy. Like everything else I've said here.

[Niamh.]

Yes you are. But you're not entitled to take the piss out of me.

I am not "your honour". Hilarious though it was.

Everyone uses their backgrounds and knowledge to come to an opinion, and that's fine. Unless it's me?

You can continue to make unfounded allegations about people with absolutely no knowledge of the truthfulness of it, if that's what you want to do in a serious debate. You're a mod. You can pretty much say what you like. But that doesn't give you permission to ridicule me. So I'd appreciate it if you knocked it off.

You quoted me with a sarcastic comment, may I remind you. maybe don't dish out your patronizing comments if you don't like them back.

[Livia]

Because Andrew isn’t a mixed race female from another country.

What a pointless comment to make during a debate.

[Jake.]

What a pointless comment to make during a debate.

Pointless in what sense?

[Kizzy]

I don't know why as an actress she can't design clothes, as singers Kanye and Beyonce do it, I suppose anyone can if they have an interest.
And they are royal, stands to reason they would use that label.

[Jake.]

It’s my opinion. Practice what you preach, Livia.

[Livia]

You quoted me with a sarcastic comment, may I remind you. maybe don't dish out your patronizing comments if you don't like them back.

Well, you had just made a ridiculous and unfounded claim.

But hey, take the piss, call me "your honour"... but you'll think I'm out of order when I start taking the piss out of your background and career. You're a mod, Niamh. Knock yourself out.

[Livia]

It’s my opinion. Practice what you preach, Livia.

Your opinion is that the UK is racist and Meghan only had a rough time because she's black. I think that's and massive generalisation and completely unfounded.

[Marsh.]

They are not royal highnesses anymore, and I think it's highly dubious of them to claim they want to step away from the royal family, but keep their "royal brand". Just my opinion, Marshy. Like everything else I've said here.

I never said they were highnesses.

He is still a part of the Royal family, that will never change. So any Royal brand he creates is par for the course. He's still a Prince. :shrug: All he's done is stop taking the wage for the public duties.

Never suggested it wasn't your opinion. :suspect:

[Jake.]

Your opinion is that the UK is racist and Meghan only had a rough time because she's black. I think that's and massive generalisation and completely unfounded.

Where did I say that the UK is racist? Not every person in the UK dislikes Meghan.

[Niamh.]

Well, you had just made a ridiculous and unfounded claim.

But hey, take the piss, call me "your honour"... but you'll think I'm out of order when I start taking the piss out of your background and career. You're a mod, Niamh. Knock yourself out.

No, I hadn't made any claim at all. I'd said "Are you surprised"

[Livia]

I never said they were highnesses.

He is still a part of the Royal family, that will never change. So any Royal brand he creates is par for the course. He's still a Prince. :shrug: All he's done is stop taking the wage for the public duties.

Never suggested it wasn't your opinion. :suspect:

He's a Duke. And Marshy, if you want to dress top to toe in Sussex Royal branded stuff, I think you'd look amazing. Me, I won't be buying it.

[Twosugars]

Btw, they still are royal highnesses. The queen has not removed the title. They are not to use it but they still have it.

[bots]

Andrew like many of the other royals has been an unpleasant arsehole for decades. People don't like him, they aren't interested in him. People did like Meghan until she started behaving like a spoilt brat, so they feel more disappointed in her.

[Livia]

No, I hadn't made any claim at all. I'd said "Are you surprised"

Yes, I think a lot of people would be surprised that a people on here are openly calling Prince Andrew a paedo when he hasn't even been arrested let alone charged, and a moderator is agreeing. But oops... that sounded a bit legal. Let's not go there.

[Jake.]

Andrew like many of the other royals has been an unpleasant arsehole for decades. People don't like him, they aren't interested in him. People did like Meghan until she started behaving like a spoilt brat, so they feel more disappointed in her.

Many didn’t like Meghan from the second she got here. You’ve only got to look at the vitriol on sites like The Mail and The Sun to see many had an issue with her from the off.

[Livia]

Where did I say that the UK is racist? Not every person in the UK dislikes Meghan.

So what did you mean then, when you suggested Andrew is being let off in some way because Meghan is a mixed race female? You suggest that all the problems with Meghan are only perceived and only because she's mixed race. Huge simplification.

[Kizzy]

I don't know why you're making a joke here. I'm telling you there is no evidence. Do you think there is some? Forget the interview.... Evidence.

There are statements from victims and links to a known paedophile, in fairness there is more evidence for than against.

At least more evidence than tibb usually requires to be judge, juror and executioner tbh.

[Marsh.]

He's a Duke. And Marshy, if you want to dress top to toe in Sussex Royal branded stuff, I think you'd look amazing. Me, I won't be buying it.

Who's talking about buying it? :suspect: There's no need to be so defensive. :eyes:

I'm simply talking about the fact they are Royals.... so have a Royal brand, which they're entitled to do. Par for the course.

Quitting their jobs doesn't magically erase who they are. Their brands/titles and whatever they do with it is at the discretion of the family themselves. It's nothing but pageantry and tradition at this point anyway. If they were still our ruling monarchy it might be different, but as an institution they're just a tourist attraction at this point.

[Jake.]

So what did you mean then, when you suggested Andrew is being let off in some way because Meghan is a mixed race female? You suggest that all the problems with Meghan are only perceived and only because she's mixed race. Huge simplification.

The question was “why is there more outrage at Meghan than Andrew”, and I believe what I said to be the case. Certain people haven’t liked Meghan from the moment she touched down and I feel the “outrage” directed at Harry and Meghan is moreso directed at her and I feel her background has played a huge part in that. Andrew is being let off far more than he should be because the right-wing papers and such are still focused on that “bitch” Meghan because they know it’s what riles their readers up.

[Niamh.]

Yes, I think a lot of people would be surprised that a people on here are openly calling Prince Andrew a paedo when he hasn't even been arrested let alone charged, and a moderator is agreeing. But oops... that sounded a bit legal. Let's not go there.

Go there all you want Livia, but this isn't a court, it's a forum, people are allowed to discuss things like interviews and allegations without your blessing..........

[Kizzy]

Isn't that all any royal is, tourist attractions... what do these 'duties' involve anyway? Waving, eating food sometimes.

[Marsh.]

Isn't that all any royal is, tourist attractions... what do these 'duties' involve anyway? Waving, eating food sometimes.

Of course. They don't rule the country anymore than you or I.

It's literally just being the "face" of the UK I would imagine. Representing us. Keeping relations going. But even that is ever dwindling.

[user104658]

I would say I was baffled by it but I'm not at all, I can think of at least 3 reasons why

1) Female
2) Not White-British
3) Not Royal blood

?

[Niamh.]

1) Female
2) Not White-British
3) Not Royal blood

?

I had No2 as 2 & 3 but yeah :laugh:

[Marsh.]

That's not fair, you posted that after she posted the answers.

Worst pub quiz ever!!

[Twosugars]

1) Female
2) Not White-British
3) Not Royal blood

?

Disagree with number 3.
1) Female
2) Non white
3) Foreign

[Kizzy]

Being woke... you forgot the wokeness.

Woke is the new black.

[Twosugars]

Being woke... you forgot the wokeness.

Woke is the new black.

Good point so 4) independent and woke

[Josy]

Meghan is female, Andrew isnt, that's about the jist of it.

Sad but true.

[Twosugars]

So we have a female, poc and foreign who knows her mind.

A perfect target for ALL kinds of bigotry. It'd be difficult to imagine a better target actually

[Cherie]

Lets face it most of the people who have joined in the Meghan debate have no interest in the Royal Family, because she is mixed race, its a great opportunity to come out of the woodwork to shout 'racist', or you hate her because she is black, because some people just love to hurl abuse on social media

This is the thread I posted about his interview.

19 replies as opposed to pages upon pages upon pages of people saying the same thing on the Meghan and Harry Thread

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362775&highlight=interview+prince+andrew

[Cherie]

and here we have the Harry to Marry thread, where a lot of the people who were really happy for them both are now being told they HATE HER :fan:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331336&highlight=harry+marry

[Beso]

So we have a female, poc and foreign who knows her mind.

A perfect target for ALL kinds of bigotry. It'd be difficult to imagine a better target actually

Well piers morgan is a middle aged white man who knows his mind and he gets all sorts of abuse directed at him..a lot more than she does. ..so using your logic, what does that say?

[Kizzy]

Lets face it most of the people who have joined in the Meghan debate have no interest in the Royal Family, because she is mixed race, its a great opportunity to come out of the woodwork to shout 'racist', or you hate her because she is black, because some people just love to hurl abuse on social media

This is the thread I posted about his interview.

19 replies as opposed to pages upon pages upon pages of people saying the same thing on the Meghan and Harry Thread

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362775&highlight=interview+prince+andrew
some people love to hurl racist abuse on social media too... or like Phil have you never seen an example of that so it doesn't exist?

[Jigs]

They are different types of ridicule/slander IMO. Andrew is basically a pariah of our society now and will stay that way until he dies (...or found innocent? :skull: ), whereas Meghan is just embroiled in controversy that is both temporary and far less damning.

Meghan is the hot commodity of the moment. Despite being slandered by UK media outlets she remains very much liked and appreciated by world audiences. On the other hand, Andrew isn't fresh/hot/exciting and above all his actions are vile and criminal. His life/career/reputation is over and there's no way he's coming back from this. As for Meghan? Give it 6 months and she'll be dominating.

[Cherie]

some people love to hurl racist abuse on social media too... or like Phil have you never seen an example of that so it doesn't exist?

Where did I say it doesn't exist?

you've changed you called her 'a parasite' on the Harry to Marry thread :fan:

[Cherie]

and here we have the Harry to Marry thread, where a lot of the people who were really happy for them both are now being told they HATE HER :fan:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331336&highlight=harry+marry

btw this thread only ran to 6 pages :fan:

[Kizzy]

Where did I say it doesn't exist?

you've changed you called her 'a parasite' on the Harry to Marry thread :fan:

Quote me please.. I dont recall making any reference to parasites.

And I didn't say you had said it didn't exist....
People hurl all kinds of abuse on social media, is it a reach then to suggest there has been racist comments made about her, and many are justified in 'coming out of the woodwork' to call that out?

[jet]

Of course certain media are going to be more interested in an attractive young couple, especially when the new wife turns out to be a diva who has a knack of stirring the pot and the new husband looks nothing like his usual happy self since marrying her.
And especially when the Sussexes seem to do things to seek attention, good or bad, it doesn't seem to matter....

Put that against a middle aged boring man who we rarely see - and what is there to say about the Andrew situation really, once it is said, it isn't an ongoing saga that brings fresh news often - and there is no evidence yet that the alllegations are even true.

[Livia]

Go there all you want Livia, but this isn't a court, it's a forum, people are allowed to discuss things like interviews and allegations without your blessing..........

You've already reminded me this isn't a court... and no it isn't. Courts try their best to be fair and people are judged only by those with a clue.

If I have a certain perspective because of my job, that doesn't give you the right to take the piss our of me. Go read your own rules.

Everyone's allowed an opinion. And if you want to call someone a paedo with no evidence, crack on. But I will point out there's no evidence. Once there is... different story. And personally, I think Andrew is a sleazy money-grabber. Doesn't automatically make him a paedo.

[Niamh.]

Of course certain media are going to be more interested in an attractive young couple, especially when the new wife turns out to be a diva who has a knack of stirring the pot and the new husband looks nothing like his usual happy self since marrying her.
And especially when the Sussexes seem to do things to seek attention, good or bad, it doesn't seem to matter....

Put that against a middle aged boring man who we rarely see - and what is there to say about the Andrew situation really, once it is said, it isn't an ongoing saga that brings fresh news often - and there is no evidence yet that the alllegations are even true.

But he's not cooperating with the US investigation and he can't be made to either so he is never going to be properly investigated. That's where the outrage should be. It seems like it's all been brushed under the carpet

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/29/europe/prince-andrew-subpoena-epstein-investigation-gbr-intl-scli/index.html

[Marsh.]

- and there is no evidence yet that the alllegations are even true.

Funny that, considering evidence and fact fly out the window when it comes to dragging Meghan through the mud.

[Niamh.]

You've already reminded me this isn't a court... and no it isn't. Courts try their best to be fair and people are judged only by those with a clue.

If I have a certain perspective because of my job, that doesn't give you the right to take the piss our of me. Go read your own rules.

Everyone's allowed an opinion. And if you want to call someone a paedo with no evidence, crack on. But I will point out there's no evidence. Once there is... different story. And personally, I think Andrew is a sleazy money-grabber. Doesn't automatically make him a paedo.

:thumbs:

[jet]

But he's not cooperating with the US investigation and he can't be made to either so he is never going to be properly investigated. That's where the outrage should be. It seems like it's all been brushed under the carpet

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/29/europe/prince-andrew-subpoena-epstein-investigation-gbr-intl-scli/index.html

This says he hasn't been asked...:conf:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/prince-andrew-angry-at-claims-of-zero-co-operation-in-epstein-inquiry/29/01/

[Amy Jade]

Come on, Andrew definitely is a dirty peado otherwise he would have gone to the US to help out as much as possible, as would anyone with a clean conscience.

More women are coming forward and the rest will have been gotten to first and paid off.

[Niamh.]

This says he hasn't been asked...:conf:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/prince-andrew-angry-at-claims-of-zero-co-operation-in-epstein-inquiry/29/01/

All the American articles I've seen say he has been asked and has ignored the request. I mean it seems more likely that he would have been, why wouldn't he?

[Twosugars]

Funny that, considering evidence and fact fly out the window when it comes to dragging Meghan through the mud.

But but "respected royal correspondents" wrote in the Daily Heil :bawling:

[jet]

All the American articles I've seen say he has been asked and has ignored the request. I mean it seems more likely that he would have been, why wouldn't he?

There are lots of articles saying he hasn't as well.
It does seem more likely that he would be asked, yes. It's very confusing.

[Niamh.]

This says he hasn't been asked...:conf:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/prince-andrew-angry-at-claims-of-zero-co-operation-in-epstein-inquiry/29/01/

Also, that article says "A Source close to Andrew says" not that Andrew has actually said he hadn't been asked.

This article actually directly quotes the lead prosecutor in the inquiry :

But Geoffrey Berman, US attorney and the lead prosecutor in the inquiry, said Monday that the Duke of York has not responded to requests for an interview.

"It's fair for people to know whether Prince Andrew has followed through with that public commitment," said Berman, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York.
"To date, Prince Andrew has provided zero cooperation."
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/29/europe/prince-andrew-subpoena-epstein-investigation-gbr-intl-scli/index.html

[Kizzy]

You've already reminded me this isn't a court... and no it isn't. Courts try their best to be fair and people are judged only by those with a clue.

If I have a certain perspective because of my job, that doesn't give you the right to take the piss our of me. Go read your own rules.

Everyone's allowed an opinion. And if you want to call someone a paedo with no evidence, crack on. But I will point out there's no evidence. Once there is... different story. And personally, I think Andrew is a sleazy money-grabber. Doesn't automatically make him a paedo.

Prior to that however the case is considered by a jury of peers of ordinary citizens... like a forum. A judge then delivers a sentence based on that verdict.

[Tom4784]

She's not white and he is. Who cares about a royal peado when you've got a non-white woman not 'knowing her place' in the royal family?

[jet]

Also, that article says "A Source close to Andrew says" not that Andrew has actually said he hadn't been asked.

This article actually directly quotes the lead prosecutor in the inquiry :

But Geoffrey Berman, US attorney and the lead prosecutor in the inquiry, said Monday that the Duke of York has not responded to requests for an interview.

"It's fair for people to know whether Prince Andrew has followed through with that public commitment," said Berman, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York.
"To date, Prince Andrew has provided zero cooperation."
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/29/europe/prince-andrew-subpoena-epstein-investigation-gbr-intl-scli/index.html

Can't he be made to co - operate?

[Cherie]

and here we have the Harry to Marry thread, where a lot of the people who were really happy for them both are now being told they HATE HER :fan:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331336&highlight=harry+marry

Quote me please.. I dont recall making any reference to parasites.

And I didn't say you had said it didn't exist....
People hurl all kinds of abuse on social media, is it a reach then to suggest there has been racist comments made about her, and many are justified in 'coming out of the woodwork' to call that out?

I post the link but now you want me to quote you? find it yourself, the thread is only 6 pages

[Niamh.]

Can't he be made to co - operate?

I have no idea, presumably if he were a "normal" British citizen the US would ask to have him extradited but I don't know about a member of the Royal family, don't they have some sort of diplomatic immunity? I'm really unsure how it would work

[Kizzy]

I post the link but now you want me to quote you? find it yourself, the thread is only 6 pages

I found it... bit disingenuous of you to allude I referenced only Meghan there, I of course meant the whole royal family. I've not made a secret of the fact I'm not a royalist.

They now do not rely on public funds ergo they are no longer parasites in my eyes.

[Marsh.]

I found it... bit disingenuous of you to allude I referenced only Meghan there, I of course meant the whole royal family. I've not made a secret of the fact I'm not a royalist.

They now do not rely on public funds ergo they are no longer parasites in my eyes.

To be fair, the Royals generate more than 3 times what they cost in taxpayers money. Pay for themselves as it were.

[Marsh.]

But but "respected royal correspondents" wrote in the Daily Heil :bawling:

:hehe:

[Cherie]

I found it... bit disingenuous of you to allude I referenced only Meghan there, I of course meant the whole royal family. I've not made a secret of the fact I'm not a royalist.

They now do not rely on public funds ergo they are no longer parasites in my eyes.

err who is paying for their security?

[Twosugars]

[/B]

err who is paying for their security?

Tbf they merit security as royals, it goes with the territory.

Do you know we still pay for security of all former prime ministers?

So yes we pay for example for Cameron to be safe while he sits with his trotters up sunning himself in Nice.

[Cherie]

Tbf they merit security as royals, it goes with the territory.

Do you know we still pay for security of all former prime ministers?

So yes we pay for example for Cameron to be safe while he sits with his trotters up sunning himself in Nice.

I am not calling anyone parasites, kizzy is, do follow the thread

I don't care if we pay for their security

[Ammi]

all shes done is try to escape a lifestyle that she nor her husband wanted to be in...prince Andrew was best mates with a peado and is looking likely to be one himself yet the media are still more interested in painting Meghan as some sort of super villain

...(...I’ll just go with the ‘are you surprised’ thing, Amy...)...we all watch reality tv we know how it works...in general, I think that females are judged by and to a much higher standard than males...There are other factors with Meghan, I think...

[Twosugars]

I am not calling anyone parasites, kizzy is, do follow the thread

I don't care if we pay for their security

I thought you wanted to actually discuss paying for security not just having a go at Kizzy.

Apologies if I was wrong and interrupted you

[Cherie]

I found it... bit disingenuous of you to allude I referenced only Meghan there, I of course meant the whole royal family. I've not made a secret of the fact I'm not a royalist.

They now do not rely on public funds ergo they are no longer parasites in my eyes.

I thought you wanted to actually discuss paying for security not just having a go at Kizzy.

Apologies if I was wrong and interrupted you

I was pointing out her inaccuracy actually

[Kizzy]

[/B]

err who is paying for their security?

That's as may be, it's not a salary as it were though is it? It's just due to the fact they are targets for say kidnap as the Queens family :shrug:

[Ammi]

I have no idea, presumably if he were a "normal" British citizen the US would ask to have him extradited but I don't know about a member of the Royal family, don't they have some sort of diplomatic immunity? I'm really unsure how it would work

...I just saw this as part of an article...

Antonios Tzanakopoulos, associate professor of Public International Law at Oxford University, told CNN that a US court "can always issue a subpoena" but they cannot make someone comply if they are in another jurisdiction, including the UK.
Allred told the BBC that lawyers in the civil lawsuit could seek to subpoena Prince Andrew if he were to travel to the US. "Certainly, if he ever came back to the United States, that would be one of the first things that I'm sure a lot of lawyers, including me, would want to do," she said.
If he were to travel to the US on an official visit, it is likely he would have some form of immunity, although it might be different if he were on a private visit, added Tzanakopoulos.

[Niamh.]

...I just saw this as part of an article...

Antonios Tzanakopoulos, associate professor of Public International Law at Oxford University, told CNN that a US court "can always issue a subpoena" but they cannot make someone comply if they are in another jurisdiction, including the UK.
Allred told the BBC that lawyers in the civil lawsuit could seek to subpoena Prince Andrew if he were to travel to the US. "Certainly, if he ever came back to the United States, that would be one of the first things that I'm sure a lot of lawyers, including me, would want to do," she said.
If he were to travel to the US on an official visit, it is likely he would have some form of immunity, although it might be different if he were on a private visit, added Tzanakopoulos.

So no then, he's never going to have to face proper police questioning and investigating ............yep still not surprised

[Black Dagger]

Because Andrew isn’t a mixed race female from another country.

Lol this sums it truly up... but no people will pretend it's more than that to save face.

[Ammi]

So no then, he's never going to have to face proper police questioning and investigating then............yep still not surprised

...they can’t even subpoena across states in the USA, so yeah...not surprising, unless he chooses to answer questioning...

[Niamh.]

...they can’t even subpoena across states in the USA, so yeah...not surprising, unless he chooses to answer questioning...

I think after his test run on TV he'll be giving that a skip.........

[Cherie]

That's as may be, it's not a salary as it were though is it? It's just due to the fact they are targets for say kidnap as the Queens family :shrug:

And weren’t you banging on about the Duchy land grab last week which will provide 95% of their income, you seem all over the place on this issue

[Ammi]

I think after his test run on TV he'll be giving that a skip.........

....hmmmmmm, stranger things have happened as they say...he was strongly advised against his interview and he still did it against all of that advice...(...and I recall reading that in giving the interview he would no longer have diplomatic immunity...?...)...so that’s a huge thing to risk...he could take a risk again tbh...he’s already saying that he will speak to the FBI, so interesting...

[Ammi]

...I have to say that I’ve probably changed and rearranged many of my thoughts in two years...views/thoughts/opinions etc are ever evolving through life experiences, which is a very healthy human thing...

[Niamh.]

....hmmmmmm, stranger things have happened as they say...he was strongly advised against his interview and he still did it against all of that advice...(...and I recall reading that in giving the interview he would no longer have diplomatic immunity...?...)...so that’s a huge thing to risk...he could take a risk again tbh...he’s already saying that he will speak to the FBI, so interesting...

Oh that is interesting but we'll see

[Ammi]

Oh that is interesting but we'll see

...I think this might have been what I read at the time...

“If he’d kept his silence he’d have been able to remain outside of the case, as he’s a witness and is entitled to diplomatic immunity. He was a private individual and now he’s waived that privacy.”


..the full article...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/top-lawyer-calls-prince-andrew-bbc-interview-catastrophic-error


...(...I’m a bit of a geek on stuff like this..:laugh:..)...

[bots]

I like Andrew several orders of magnitude less than I do Meghan, but, my feeling remains that since marrying Harry, she has come across as a spoilt brat. Nothing related to ethnicity or anything else, just basic behaviour

[Niamh.]

...I think this might have been what I read at the time...

“If he’d kept his silence he’d have been able to remain outside of the case, as he’s a witness and is entitled to diplomatic immunity. He was a private individual and now he’s waived that privacy.”


..the full article...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/top-lawyer-calls-prince-andrew-bbc-interview-catastrophic-error


...(...I’m a bit of a geek on stuff like this..:laugh:..)...

Thanks Ammi, I'll have a read through

[jet]

I think too that people don’t care about Andrew but are currently very concerned for Harry and that is ongoing. He certainly isn’t a happy man since his marriage, for whatever reasons.
Meghan has got what she wanted. Her beaming smiles as she boarded the seaplane and then when out walking the dogs is a testament to that.

Meanwhile back in the UK Harry was facing a conference with the Royals and then giving a speech in which he got very emotional, near to tears in fact, about what he ‘had no choice’ but to do. Was Meghan thinking of what he was going through? Didn’t appear so.

Meghan’s gain has been Harry’s loss.

He has given up his family, his friends, his ‘2nd family’ the army patronages, his country, his work, for her. What has the spoilt madam given up for him?
IMO, Harry is currently very fragile. What exactly is he going to do in the US to fill his time?
He is trained for nothing but being a Royal. I think this is going to be very hard on him. But Meghan’s happy, and that’s what counts. It is being said the Queen is ‘keeping the door open back home’ - wise woman. JMO.

[Ammi]

...(...I believe...)...concern for Harry would bring support for the person he’s chosen and who he loves and who he wants his life to be with...the negativity about Meghan is a huge part of what hurts him...so if he were unhappy then that would make sense to be the reason...so concern surely would be expressed in support for Meghan as well as for Harry...

[Cherie]

...I have to say that I’ve probably changed and rearranged many of my thoughts in two years...views/thoughts/opinions etc are ever evolving through life experiences, which is a very healthy human thing...

Indeed it is Ammi, and people can change their mind on how they view anyone based on their actions, it would be nice if people could do that in Meghan's case without being called racist

[Marsh.]

[/B]

Indeed it is Ammi, and people can change their mind on how they view anyone based on their actions, it would be nice if people could do that in Meghan's case without being called racist

I don't think discussing the racist backlash she's received means people think you personally are racist for disliking her. Unless you were called racist and I missed it.

[Ammi]

..I’m a bit confused, I’ve just looked through the thread and skim read it...a huge amount of it doesn’t refer to race at all ...and the few posts that do are in context also, because race remarks have indeed been a factor in the negativity Meghan has received...that’s already been acknowledged by the palace themselves...so for the question asked in the OP and in context, it’s been appropriately mentioned...we cannot and should not ignore racism if it’s a factor...

[Cherie]

I don't think discussing the racist backlash she's received means people think you personally are racist for disliking her. Unless you were called racist and I missed it.


Its been implied in the other thread, not just to me either

..I’m a bit confused, I’ve just looked through the thread and skim read it...a huge amount of it doesn’t refer to race at all ...and the few posts that do are in context also, because race remarks have indeed been a factor in the negativity Meghan has received...that’s already been acknowledged by the palace themselves...so for the question asked in the OP and in context, it’s been appropriately mentioned...we cannot and should not ignore racism if it’s a factor...


Don’t be confused Ammi, there is another 60 page thread

[Ammi]

...(...I’m not going to look through 60 pages eeeeek....:laugh:...)....but I don’t recall in any thread, anyone being referred to as racist for changing their mind about something...

[Cherie]

...(...I’m not going to look through 60 pages eeeeek....:laugh:...)....but I don’t recall in any thread, anyone being referred to as racist for changing their mind about something...

Oh right lol

[Ammi]

...I do though believe that racial undertones by the media and some of the public have had racial undertones...and that being a factor, it’s probably been stated as such....and as I say, in the context of the discussions/thread directions etc...this from an article states it much clearer and better than I could...

‘For example, the press has talked about her “exotic DNA”; described her as “(almost) straight outta Compton”; attacked her for the very things that Kate Middleton, Prince William’s white wife, has been praised for; and compared the couple’s son to a chimpanzee. But in TV studios around the country, commentators seem to have peculiarly missed all of this. The coverage of Markle has been welcoming and warm, they say. And when confronted with the evidence that shows that certainly hasn’t always been the tone of reporting, they ask: Is it really racism, though?

Not all racism is overt. Much of it is subtle, quietly shaping the way people are seen, talked about, and treated. Some, like Piers Morgan, have argued it’s not racist to talk about Markle’s DNA as “exotic,” but this term has colonial roots, long working as a form of othering. Acknowledging this would mean really grappling with the insidious ways racism operates in the UK, undermining the notion that it is fundamentally a “tolerant” and “progressive” country.’

...as the piece states...’not all racism is overt’, there are many undertones of racism but they can’t be diminished in any way in the impact they have on those who are subjected to them and how that person must be made to feel...

[Elliot]

But he's not cooperating with the US investigation and he can't be made to either so he is never going to be properly investigated. That's where the outrage should be. It seems like it's all been brushed under the carpet

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/29/europe/prince-andrew-subpoena-epstein-investigation-gbr-intl-scli/index.html

This makes me sad honestly. It also makes me really disgusted in the tabloids for continently sensationalising the Meghan story and stirring up everyone in a frenzy distracting from a literal pedo amongst the royals..

[Kazanne]

Maybe they could swap the prince for the woman who killed Harry Dunn.The US have said they wont send her back but they could do a deal if they want Edward.We get rid of the prince and the Dunns might get justice for Harry.

[Twosugars]

Maybe they could swap the prince for the woman who killed Harry Dunn.The US have said they wont send her back but they could do a deal if they want Edward.We get rid of the prince and the Dunns might get justice for Harry.

They don't want Edward :hehe::wavey:

[Marsh.]

Maybe they could swap the prince for the woman who killed Harry Dunn.The US have said they wont send her back but they could do a deal if they want Edward.We get rid of the prince and the Dunns might get justice for Harry.

Poor Edward.

[Rob!]

I’ve never understood why Megan gets all the hassle (well, I do obviously) because it’s not like Harry has ever been the most conventional member of the royal family. This is the same guy who was always in trouble growing up, drugs, strip poker, nazi uniforms etc. Plus, his mother died as a result of being so heavily in the public eye. Why WOULDN’T he want to move away from that?

[Glenn.]

I think too that people don’t care about Andrew but are currently very concerned for Harry and that is ongoing. He certainly isn’t a happy man since his marriage, for whatever reasons.
Meghan has got what she wanted. Her beaming smiles as she boarded the seaplane and then when out walking the dogs is a testament to that.

Meanwhile back in the UK Harry was facing a conference with the Royals and then giving a speech in which he got very emotional, near to tears in fact, about what he ‘had no choice’ but to do. Was Meghan thinking of what he was going through? Didn’t appear so.

Meghan’s gain has been Harry’s loss.

He has given up his family, his friends, his ‘2nd family’ the army patronages, his country, his work, for her. What has the spoilt madam given up for him?
IMO, Harry is currently very fragile. What exactly is he going to do in the US to fill his time?
He is trained for nothing but being a Royal. I think this is going to be very hard on him. But Meghan’s happy, and that’s what counts. It is being said the Queen is ‘keeping the door open back home’ - wise woman. JMO.

Why isn’t he a very happy man? Where has this come from?
A woman walking her dog isn’t testament of anything. They are pictures that Have been taken by press.

Harry has chosen to leave the Royal family for his wife and child. What is it about this that you are not understanding?

Again, your utterly unwarranted hate for this woman is ghastly. How is she a spoilt madam? The only way you have come that assumption is from the tabloids you claim you don’t read.
And also, how are you personally aware of Harry’s wellbeing? You seem to be quite sure that he’s a fragile man who doesn’t know his own mind.

[Kizzy]

Poor Edward.
:joker::joker: yeah blame Eddie!

[jet]

Why isn’t he a very happy man? Where has this come from?
A woman walking her dog isn’t testament of anything. They are pictures that Have been taken by press.

Harry has chosen to leave the Royal family for his wife and child. What is it about this that you are not understanding?

Again, your utterly unwarranted hate for this woman is ghastly. How is she a spoilt madam? The only way you have come that assumption is from the tabloids you claim you don’t read.
And also, how are you personally aware of Harry’s wellbeing? You seem to be quite sure that he’s a fragile man who doesn’t know his own mind.

Stop throwing the 'hate' word around because someone has an opinion you can't cope with....and I don't read tabloids. If they are saying the same as me, then they are better than I thought.

[rusticgal]

Maybe the reason Meghan gets discussed more than Andrew is because Meghan is a new member to the Royal family who we have watched with intrigue building up to her wedding and birth of their first child...
Andrew on the other hand has been of little interest to the public for many years...comes across as an arrogant twat. This business with Epstein I don’t think has come as a massive surprise to many but has created discussion. He is a disgrace and I think most people have come to the conclusion he knows what he was involved in.
Meghan on the other hand...well she’s open to discussion. Say one thing against her and you are racist and sexist... she’s a diva/actress and seems to like getting her own way imo.

[Marsh.]

Say one thing against her and you are racist and sexist....

Who said this?

There's a difference between discussing the media backlash and general attitude towards her and saying that each individual person who has taken a dislike to her is racist.

[Ammi]

...(..I don’t think it’s so much about discussion interest...)...it’s why there is ‘more outrage’ specifically...and it is something that is quite difficult to fathom...in googling ‘outrage Prince Andrew’...there is very little outrage linked and attached to the story ...other than apparent outrage from Epstein’s victims...outrage and disappointment with Andrew’s so far lack of cooperation...in contrast though, in googling ‘outrage Meghan Markle’...there are many linked and attached stories from those who wouldn’t really fit into a ‘victim’ situation...apparently fury is felt over her and Harry’s decision is one headline...she’s been accused of being a domestic abuser by someone according to another article..and she’s been called a spoilt brat and a manipulator....none of the ‘outrage’ laid at her is really in proportion or context in comparison to Andrew and his story atm...

[thesheriff443]

Two waste of spaces have left the country, the end.

[AnnieK]

I think the difference in the debates is there really isnt that much to talk about with Andrew. I would not, at this stage, call him a paedophile as nothing has been proven. His lack of cooperation and absolute car crash of an interview don't prove his guilt....what is more telling is the Queens decision to basically sack him....he has something dubious at best to hide...criminal at worst. Everyone knows he stayed with Epstein so he moved in unsavoury circles, the rest currently is speculation.

With Harry and Meghan, its more opinion and differing opinions so will be debated more. As Livia (I think) alluded to is the GBP all feel protective of Harry from seeing him lose his mother and so people have strong opinions. Its a much more palatable debate than wondering if a Prince sexually abused people.....I think people are worried that if they think he is innocent and it comes out he isn't, they will be seen as defending a paedophile.

It's much easier to debate why you like or don't like a girl who has "stolen" our favourite young prince

[Beso]

I think the difference in the debates is there really isnt that much to talk about with Andrew. I would not, at this stage, call him a paedophile as nothing has been proven. His lack of cooperation and absolute car crash of an interview don't prove his guilt....what is more telling is the Queens decision to basically sack him....he has something dubious at best to hide...criminal at worst. Everyone knows he stayed with Epstein so he moved in unsavoury circles, the rest currently is speculation.

With Harry and Meghan, its more opinion and differing opinions so will be debated more. As Livia (I think) alluded to is the GBP all feel protective of Harry from seeing him lose his mother and so people have strong opinions. Its a much more palatable debate than wondering if a Prince sexually abused people.....I think people are worried that if they think he is innocent and it comes out he isn't, they will be seen as defending a paedophile.





It's much easier to debate why you like or don't like a girl who has "stolen" our favourite young prince





I like your post.

[Beso]

Pity he didn't marry shiela from Stockport and they just pissed off up the road to some council house instead of all this hoo-ha.

[user104658]

Maybe they could swap the prince for the woman who killed Harry Dunn.The US have said they wont send her back but they could do a deal if they want Edward.We get rid of the prince and the Dunns might get justice for Harry.

Poor Edward.

:joker::joker::skull:

[Glenn.]

Stop throwing the 'hate' word around because someone has an opinion you can't cope with....and I don't read tabloids. If they are saying the same as me, then they are better than I thought.

‘I can’t answer any of your questions because I don’t have any answers to give’

[Mystic Mock]

...(..I don’t think it’s so much about discussion interest...)...it’s why there is ‘more outrage’ specifically...and it is something that is quite difficult to fathom...in googling ‘outrage Prince Andrew’...there is very little outrage linked and attached to the story ...other than apparent outrage from Epstein’s victims...outrage and disappointment with Andrew’s so far lack of cooperation...in contrast though, in googling ‘outrage Meghan Markle’...there are many linked and attached stories from those who wouldn’t really fit into a ‘victim’ situation...apparently fury is felt over her and Harry’s decision is one headline...she’s been accused of being a domestic abuser by someone according to another article..and she’s been called a spoilt brat and a manipulator....none of the ‘outrage’ laid at her is really in proportion or context in comparison to Andrew and his story atm...

There's an article calling her a domestic abuser? That's somehow more unfounded than when they were calling Jeremy Corbyn a Terrorist.:joker:

[jet]

There's an article calling her a domestic abuser? That's somehow more unfounded than when they were calling Jeremy Corbyn a Terrorist.:joker:

I don't believe he was ever called a 'terrorist'. :hee:
The true term is 'terrorist sympathiser', which he is/was.

An article saying Meghan is a domestic abuser? Not poor Harry being beat over the head with her Louboutins. Ouch. Never heard that one, it must be a tabloid story.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't believe he was ever called a 'terrorist'. :hee:
The true term is 'terrorist sympathiser', which he is/was.

An article saying Meghan is a domestic abuser? Not poor Harry being beat over the head with her Louboutins. Ouch. Never heard that one, it must be a tabloid story.

You think that Corbyn is a Terrorist sympathizer. Like what Livia's said earlier on in the thread about Andrew there's no evidence to suggest that he is.

And I've genuinely not heard of that story between Meghan and Harry, was it on accident?

[Twosugars]

I don't believe he was ever called a 'terrorist'. :hee:
The true term is 'terrorist sympathiser', which he is/was.

An article saying Meghan is a domestic abuser? Not poor Harry being beat over the head with her Louboutins. Ouch. Never heard that one, it must be a tabloid story.

:laugh:

What vivid imagination you have. It'd be sad if it wasn't so funny.

[Twosugars]

You think that Corbyn is a Terrorist sympathizer. Like what Livia's said earlier on in the thread about Andrew there's no evidence to suggest that he is.

And I've genuinely not heard of that story between Meghan and Harry, was it on accident?

You haven't heard it bc it's made up Mocky :hee:

[Mystic Mock]

You haven't heard it bc it's made up Mocky :hee:

I was gonna say, like where have I been all of this time if that had've really happened.

[Cherie]

I don't believe he was ever called a 'terrorist'. :hee:
The true term is 'terrorist sympathiser', which he is/was.

An article saying Meghan is a domestic abuser? Not poor Harry being beat over the head with her Louboutins. Ouch. Never heard that one, it must be a tabloid story.

:laugh:

What vivid imagination you have. It'd be sad if it wasn't so funny.

Jet wasn't being serious :unsure:

[Kazanne]

Jet wasn't being serious :unsure:

:laugh: well that one flew over the cuckoo's nest :wavey:

[Kizzy]

I seem to remember being tarred with a brush for being a Corbyn supporter, I was a terrorist sympathiser and an antisemite for maintaining my position during the election.

I see a comparison here, those who dislike Meghan are being accused of being racist so a label is attached in the same way but for being unsupportive rather than supportive.

In these cases I can see why the accusation is hugely offensive and frustrating..However once you stray into the territory of denying any racism, or racism not being a factor, that is a whole different issue.

Denying there is a problem when others are clearly affected is displaying a bias, in the same way as denying antisemitism in the labour party would have been.

[GoldHeart]

Meghan doesn't fit the 100% British image , it's disgusting that she's being treated worse .

Meghan isn't the one who was thick as thieves with a paedophile etc and caught in sex scandals , but whatever :facepalm: .

It's dumb to deny the racism and people like Piers Morgan can bury their heads in the sand all they want,whilst putting their fingers in their ears .

But at the end of the day Piers, Holly & Phill all interviewed the UKIP guy and they saw the nasty racist things his then girlfriend said about Meghan which were uncalled for.

It's as if all that's been forgotten about now ,as it doesn't fit the narrative of "Meghan being a nuisance" etc etc and so on . Is it any wonder both Meghan & Harry have stepped down when they get treated like this :bored:.

[Cherie]

Meghan doesn't fit the 100% British image , it's disgusting that she's being treated worse .

Meghan isn't the one who was thick as thieves with a paedophile etc and caught in sex scandals , but whatever :facepalm: .

It's dumb to deny the racism and people like Piers Morgan can bury their heads in the sand all they want,whilst putting their fingers in their ears .

But at the end of the day Piers, Holly & Phill all interviewed the UKIP guy and they saw the nasty racist things his then girlfriend said about Meghan which were uncalled for.

It's as if all that's been forgotten about now ,as it doesn't fit the narrative of "Meghan being a nuisance" etc etc and so on . Is it any wonder both Meghan & Harry have stepped down when they get treated like this :bored:.

No body is denying racism occurred , but I don't think it is the main reason they left the UK

[GoldHeart]

No body is denying racism occurred , but I don't think it is the main reason they left the UK

But the racism definitely played a part in their decision .

[Marsh.]

No body is denying racism occurred , but I don't think it is the main reason they left the UK

It doesn't have to be the main reason to be a substantial enough reason that it affected them.

[Beso]

Maybe they just wanted away from Andrew and the cover up...:shrug:

[user104658]

No body is denying racism occurred, but I don't think it is the main reason they left the UK

Ohhhh but they do though don't they.

[Cherie]

But the racism definitely played a part in their decision .

It doesn't have to be the main reason to be a substantial enough reason that it affected them.

Ohhhh but they do though don't they.

No they don't, because in the main people are screeching that the racism saw them off, when clearly it might have played a part but anyone who watched the out of Africa tour, could see that Meghan was homesick and lonely, people weren't asking how she was, and in all honesty she was probably a bit bored with the restrictions Royal life placed on her AND there are racists in Canada. :laugh:

[Beso]

Ohhhh but they do though don't they.

Only her sister that I've noticed.

[Marsh.]

No they don't, because in the main people are screeching that the racism saw them off, when clearly it might have played a part but anyone who watched the out of Africa tour, could see that Meghan was homesick and lonely, people weren't asking how she was, and in all honesty she was probably a bit bored with the restrictions Royal life placed on her AND there are racists in Canada. :laugh:

Of course there are racists in Canada. I doubt she all the racists in the media obsessed with her over there though.

[jet]

This makes me sad honestly. It also makes me really disgusted in the tabloids for continently sensationalising the Meghan story and stirring up everyone in a frenzy distracting from a literal pedo amongst the royals..

If you are referring to Harry and Meghan leaving the royal family, it was they themselves who created the frenzy by the way they went about it.
If they didn't want sensationalism, then they shouldn't have dropped the bombshell and blindsided the Queen and the Palace. The press all over the world ate that up like hungry wolves.
The Queen specifically asked them not to do anything until quiet discussions had taken place over time, and a proper palace statement made in the future but they were like spoilt kids saying 'I want what I want and I want it NOW'!
They totally disrespected her wishes; she heard that their statement was about to break on her laptop ffs! That was BIG news.

Also, did they spare a thought for the stress the frenzy would cause the Queen, a lady in her 90's , with a very frail beloved husband not long out of hospital and all the turmoil she must be in over the Andrew allegations?

Doing what they did, when and how they did it was cruel, but typical of their self - absorption and their selfishishness. Apparently the Queen has had to cancel engagements recently, which is very rare, as she was unwell.

BTW it hasn't been proved that Andrew is a 'literal pedo' - he may well be, but there is no evidence so far to suggest he is at present.

[Ammi]

...this is an October article from last year but I thought it was a really good article in discussing the racism aspect ...

The silence surrounding the Duchess of Sussex’s treatment by the press has become a roar. More than 70 female MPs signed a letter this week in “solidarity” with Meghan after she spoke about her treatment by sections of the media. The letter outlined attempts “to cast aspersions” on her character. It also attempted to address the nature of these attacks: “We are calling out what can only be described as outdated, colonial undertones to some of these stories,” it read.

However, this treatment can be described as only one thing: racist. Not saying so explicitly is part of a growing trend – the word “racist” is now dodged with more fervour than racial slurs themselves.

At one point, there was concern that “racist” was being used willy-nilly; now, it feels as if those in power are thumbing through a thesaurus with kid gloves, searching hastily for synonyms. The phrasing has become almost comically creative: take “racially charged,” “racially loaded,” “racially divisive” and “racially tinged”, as if bigotry is administered in doses with a pipette. “Homophobically tinged” and “sexistly charged” sound equally ludicrous, but I am yet to see them used in lieu of the real terms.


When Trump tweeted that some of the people of colour in Congress should “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,” Jeremy Hunt, the foreign secretary at the time, resolved not to “use the R-word” (his censoring of it, as if it were akin to the N-word, says it all). But who will resolve to use it? And if Trump’s tweets didn’t call for it, what occasion does?


Many journalists are grappling with editorial guidelines that are making their jobs more difficult. Look at the censuring of the BBC presenter Naga Munchetty, after she said, in relation to Trump’s comment, that every time she had been told to “go back to where [she] came from, that was embedded in racism”. Attempts at impartiality lead to inaccuracy – when the Republican congressman Steve King asked why the terms “white supremacist” and “white nationalist” were offensive, NBC News originally told its staff to “be careful to avoid characterising [King’s] remarks as racist.”

Almost no behaviour seems to merit the descriptor, bar donning a Ku Klux Klan costume (except at Halloween, of course, when its white supremacist roots are apparently neutralised by “banter”) and using the N-word (but not in song lyrics, of course, when its white supremacist roots are apparently neutralised by the beat).

More and more, it feels as if racism is being defined by those least likely to experience it – namely when they themselves are targeted. Apparently, calling rightwing, red-faced, middle-aged white men “gammon” is racist, yet golliwogs, according to 63% of Britons in a survey, are not racist.

As we tiptoe around the semantics and the word “racism” morphs into hate speech, hate crimes continue to soar. Unless something changes, this cycle will continue until “racially tinged” becomes equally as offensive and we replace it with another useless euphemism to protect the feelings of perpetrators.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/30/the-treatment-of-meghan-is-racist-we-should-feel-able-to-say-so

[thesheriff443]

If you want to make it about race then I will add this.

Meghan was in a position as part of the royal family and celebrity circle to have a massive voice against racism.

It’s fight or flight unfortunately Meghan chose flight along with Harry, and in effect the racist won.

People are dying because of racism not just being called names.

[GoldHeart]

If you want to make it about race then I will add this.

Meghan was in a position as part of the royal family and celebrity circle to have a massive voice against racism.

It’s fight or flight unfortunately Meghan chose flight along with Harry, and in effect the racist won.

People are dying because of racism not just being called names.

Non of us are in their shoes so it's easy to criticise and point the finger ,when we're not experiencing the exact scrutiny.

As I've said already , Harry clearly has been thinking about moving away from the Royal duties etc for a long time ever since his mother died. He himself has said he doesn't want Meghan to go through the same thing.

Their main priority is eachother & their son.

[thesheriff443]

Non of us are in their shoes so it's easy to criticise and point the finger ,when we're not experiencing the exact scrutiny.

As I've said already , Harry clearly has been thinking about moving away from the Royal duties etc for a long time ever since his mother died. He himself has said he doesn't want Meghan to go through the same thing.

Their main priority is eachother & their son.

It’s not pointing the finger, I’m making an observation.

We all know what they chose to do.

[Marsh.]

It’s not pointing the finger, I’m making an observation.

We all know what they chose to do.

Yes, let's choose to demean the victim of the racism and not the racism itself. No doubt if she had stayed to be a "voice" against it you'd have criticised her for being "woke" or a "snowflake". :rolleyes:

[GoldHeart]

No matter what Meghan does she can't win :rolleyes: