Man shot dead by armed police in terror related incident in south London.

[Beso]

Streatham high street..many stabbed.

[Josy]

Was just reading this :omgno:

They are saying it may be a terrorist attack

[Swan]

At least one dead according to BBC.

Edit - Yeah close the other thread, thanks.

[Beso]

Was just reading this :omgno:

They are saying it may be a terrorist attack

It is now being treated as a terrorist attack.

[Beso]

At least one dead according to BBC.

Hopefully it's just the sick bastard that carried out the attacks

[Livia]

Dead is the best kind of terrorist.

[Swan]

Hopefully it's just the sick bastard that carried out the attacks

Yeah fingers crossed.

[Shaun]

Apparently there were 3 people attacked, or at least 3 people on the floor in the surrounding area. Hope they pull through.

[Swan]

Yeah the terrorist has been killed by police, and they're not sure if he's wearing a legitimate or fake suicide vest.

[arista]

On LBC radio
good news they could shoot the Terrorist dead
3 reported stabbed

https://news.sky.com/story/man-shot-on-street-in-streatham-south-london-reports-11924768

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/20/02/768x432/skynews-streatham-stabbing_4909531.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20200202153040

Keeping people back

[Kazanne]

Dead is the best kind of terrorist.

:laugh: You read my mind Livia.:wavey:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1223992276462055424/7vI8kaA6?format=jpg&name=small

A LBC Digital Editor
was there while not working.

[arista]

This tweet was read out on LBC radio

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[arista]

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Yes fella
good that Officer had a hand gun

[caprimint]

Damn, I just saw this before. Streatham is such a random place for a terror attack...

[Josy]

This tweet was read out on LBC radio

1223981064751931393Aw I hope the person pulls through and all the others that's injured

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

Poor people just going about their business, hope it’s only the aggressor that is dead

[arista]

Poor people just going about their business, hope it’s only the aggressor that is dead


Yes so far just the Terrorist is dead,
The medics also had body armor on.
Maybe they we onto this Terrorist

[arista]

Not Good for the Boots Pharmacy store
the Terrorist was shot dead right outside their door,
I bet they have to stay closed tomorrow.

[Zizu]

Not Good for the Boots Pharmacy store
the Terrorist was shot dead right outside their door,
I bet they have to stay closed tomorrow.



How is it that Boots sell everything BUT boots ??


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[bots]

unfortunately, there is a limitless supply of these nutters around

[Zizu]

unfortunately, there is a limitless supply of these nutters around



Well at least he’s dead and won’t be able to sue for wrongful arrest like the other two guys ...


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[Livia]

How is it that Boots sell everything BUT boots ??


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For the same reason there is no other word for thesaurus.

[LaLaLand]

Awful. :sad:

[Zizu]

For the same reason there is no other word for thesaurus.



:)


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[Beso]

Looks like the police were following him at the time.

[arista]

How is it that Boots sell everything BUT boots ??


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They are a Medical Pharmacy
Founded 1849;
171 years ago,

[arista]

Update 2 Stabbed , not 3.

[Ammi]

...three people were injured and taken to hospital...one is in a life threatening condition, is what has been reported by some media...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/man-shot-street-streatham-south-london-reports-144800829.html

[Ammi]

This tweet was read out on LBC radio

1223981064751931393

...so terrifying for the guy who stayed with the injured person...he wouldn’t know if the incident was still ongoing either...but he stayed with someone who was hurt...:love:..

[Zizu]

They are a Medical Pharmacy

Founded1849;

171 years ago,



It was a tongue in cheek comment but thanks for that interesting fact !!


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[Beso]

Luckily for the shoppers the man was indeed under active surveillance today.

[bots]

The Met Police has said: "Three people are known to have been injured in the Streatham attack earlier this afternoon. One person is at hospital in a life-threatening condition. We are in the process of informing their family.

"A second victim was treated for minor injuries at the scene before being taken to hospital.

"A third victim has been taken to hospital – their condition is not life-threatening."

The London Ambulance Service also confirmed in a statement that three people were receiving hospital treatment.

[Zizu]

Sooooo the guy was under surveillance at the time of the attack !!

Presumably the families will be claiming massive damages off them now ??


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[bots]

Sooooo the guy was under surveillance at the time of the attack !!

Presumably the families will be claiming massive damages off them now ??


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he apparently walked into the shop, bought a knife, unpackaged it there and then and started stabbing people. It's a bit difficult to see how the police could have reacted quicker

[Zizu]

he apparently walked into the shop, bought a knife, unpackaged it there and then and started stabbing people. It's a bit difficult to see how the police could have reacted quicker



Suspected terrorist who was being followed .. buys a knife and stabs people under surveillance!!?


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[Beso]

Suspected terrorist who was being followed .. buys a knife and stabs people under surveillance!!?


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An eyewitness has told BBC News that she was walking in the Streatham area towards a pub when she was approached by another woman "in distress".

Emma, from Streatham, said: "She was shouting her head off saying 'don’t go any further, he has stabbed this woman with a knife, he stabbed her in the back.'

"We then saw a woman half sitting, half lying on the floor with people around her but no ambulances or anything.

"About 30 seconds before that a dark car sped past us and we looked ahead up the road realising that it was police in plain clothes, which the woman was pointing to and shouting ‘that’s the police they’ve shot the guy'."

She added: "The distressed woman who stopped us kept pointing at that injured lady and saying 'he came in the shop, grabbed a knife, pulled out a knife and walked

[bots]

A man shot dead by police after he attacked people in south London had been recently released from prison after serving time for terror offences.

He was under active police surveillance at the time of the attack, which police believe to be an Islamist-related terrorist incident.

He had a hoax device strapped to his body, police said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51349664


That's just not good enough

[Cherie]

What a guy, stabs a woman with young children with her, poor mites must be terrified, hope their Mum is okay

[bots]

What a guy, stabs a woman with young children with her, poor mites must be terrified, hope their Mum is okay

it's the 2nd one they have let out that's done this .... that just shouldnt happen

[Denver]

Yet people like Corbyn will still say terrorists can be reintegrated into society.

They should never be allowed on the streets again once found guilty

[Tom4784]

Yet people like Corbyn will still say terrorists can be reintegrated into society.

They should never be allowed on the streets again once found guilty

People whining about Corbyn even though he's no longer relevant are serving brexiter teas that will probably continue to blame Remainers for everything that happens for the next five decades.

Blame the Majority government that's allowed this to happen twice. the people you voted in.

[Denver]

People still defend terrorist sympathizers i see

[Tom4784]

People still defend terrorist sympathizers i see

Still passing the buck, I see.

You got what you voted for, no need to blame irrelevant back benchers for your own decisions.

[Zizu]

Yet people like Corbyn will still say terrorists can be reintegrated into society.

They should never be allowed on the streets again once found guilty



They should let them stay at Corbyn’s house


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[bots]

this guy was let out of prison last week, so after the london bridge incident last year that they were supposed to learn lessons from, this is entirely on Boris

[Tom4784]

this guy was let out of prison last week, so after the london bridge incident last year that they were supposed to learn lessons from, this is entirely on Boris

Exactly, this happened on a Tory government's watch and a majority one at that. To blame an outgoing Labour leader for the decisions of a Tory government is just silly.

Any actions that the government has taken since the election are exactly what Tory voters voted for. They can't pass the buck now.

[jet]

Yet people like Corbyn will still say terrorists can be reintegrated into society.

They should never be allowed on the streets again once found guilty

Thank goodness Corbyn didn't win the election. He would have let terrorists out sooner and said putting them under surveillance was disrespecting their human rights. :worry:

[Ammi]

...the man whose condition was life threatening, has now improved..one woman has been released from hospital, the other has very minor injuries which were from shattered glass with the gun shots...hopefully the condition of the man with the more serious injuries will continue to improve...the emotional injuries to them and others who were there and witnessed, will take a lot longer though...

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/20/02/768x432/skynews-amman-streatham_4910148.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20200203002315
[The man accused of the Streatham
terror attack, Sudesh Amman]

https://news.sky.com/story/streatham-terror-attack-two-stabbed-and-man-shot-dead-in-london-11925252

[Mystic Mock]

this guy was let out of prison last week, so after the london bridge incident last year that they were supposed to learn lessons from, this is entirely on Boris

Exactly.

[Ammi]

...this completely highlights the legal loophole of what Boris Johnson intended of prison sentences for terrorism...this man’s original offence would not have been classed as serious enough...there will be many like him who are eligible for the same early parole releases....?...surely in highlighting this with what’s happened, it’s an opportunity to review and look at those loopholes, rather than lay blame etc...as awful as it was for all of those involved, it’s thankfully highlighted huge security problems without any loss of life...(..except to the man himself, obviously...)...

[thesheriff443]

Exactly, this happened on a Tory government's watch and a majority one at that. To blame an outgoing Labour leader for the decisions of a Tory government is just silly.

Any actions that the government has taken since the election are exactly what Tory voters voted for. They can't pass the buck now.

All this coming from someone that always criticises bringing back the death sentence.

The guy had been released and under heavy surveillance that’s why he ran in a shop grabbed a knife and stabbed two people and was shot and killed very quickly

There had been a change in the law, after this you will see another change.

People like him are released because people like you defend not using the death sentence.

You just like to jump on the band wagon.

[Alf]

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[arista]

Yes Alf
they showed that on GMBHD itv.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Today is the date
the Government is to change the legal parameters
on not letting Terrorists out of Prison early.
Undercover Police were following this Terrorist
so that's why so many were ready for this.

[Ammi]

...they were ready for it but there could have easily been deaths...surveillance is not enough to prevent loss of life, which takes split seconds...so paying huge focus to legal loopholes is so, so important...

[bots]

even someone under surveillance, it is impossible to follow 2000 + people into shops etc and be within striking distance in case they may do something.

They need to be smarter in who they release. Are they still hell bent on being martyrs? Don't release them. I know it has loads of legal issues, but something needs to be done. We have a load of fanatics repatriated from Syria, and this problem is not going to go away.

[Swan]

So many muslims in this country who have nothing but utter contempt and disdain for western way of living, this is just another example.

[Cherie]

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I love the British flag,is that supposed to indicate tough Brits or something, the café worker speaking is Chinese....:laugh:

[arista]

[The mother of Streatham terrorist
Sudesh Amman has told Sky News
he was a "nice, polite boy"
who was radicalised online and in prison - and
revealed she spoke to him just hours before the attack.
Haleema Faraz Khan said her son
seemed "normal" when she visited him
at a bail hostel on Thursday and
he called her before Sunday's attack
asking her to make him
some mutton biryani.
Amman was under police surveillance
when he stabbed two people
in south London while wearing
a fake suicide vest before he
was shot dead by officers.]

[A bail hostel was cordoned off on Monday]

https://news.sky.com/story/streatham-terror-attack-sudesh-ammans-mother-spoke-to-her-polite-boy-hours-before-attack-11925460

[Swan]

Radicalised in prison is such a cop out. It's like an attempt to create sympathy for these Islamic nutters. Why was he in prison in the first place? Why is this radicalisation allowed to go on in prison? Why if authorities know he's a risk is he let out of prison?

And that video in the cafe is deeply depressing, a police officer walked in and informed the customers and workers there had a been a terror incident up the road, worker was like 'yeah but let the customers eat for 30 mins' and the customers themselves were all 'meh oh well spose we better go then' when really people should have been terrified, shocked, panicked etc. But no, we are so overrun with Muslim terrorists now, and attacks are so frequent that people are used to it and aren't really fazed.

London in particular is a joke, horribly ran by the useless Sadiq Kahn, young black kids killing each other every single day, terrorist attacks common place. People (both sides) putting all they have into arguing about brexit, when what we really need to do address the many problems we have in this country as it is.

[bots]

[The mother of Streatham terrorist
Sudesh Amman has told Sky News
he was a "nice, polite boy"
who was radicalised online and in prison - and
revealed she spoke to him just hours before the attack.
Haleema Faraz Khan said her son
seemed "normal" when she visited him
at a bail hostel on Thursday and
he called her before Sunday's attack
asking her to make him
some mutton biryani.
Amman was under police surveillance
when he stabbed two people
in south London while wearing
a fake suicide vest before he
was shot dead by officers.]

[A bail hostel was cordoned off on Monday]

https://news.sky.com/story/streatham-terror-attack-sudesh-ammans-mother-spoke-to-her-polite-boy-hours-before-attack-11925460

the family had a chat channel where they shared videos of beheadings etc, shared info on what knives to use so i think she isn't being entirely truthful.

[Cherie]

He was in prison for sharing some bomb making leaflets on his family group whatsapp, and for posting on some forum an arabic flag, a picture of a gun and some bombs, and encouraged people to attack an LGBT speaker at Hyde Park corner, bearing in mind he was 17 at the time, I fully believe he was more radicalised in prison

[Tom4784]

All this coming from someone that always criticises bringing back the death sentence.

The guy had been released and under heavy surveillance that’s why he ran in a shop grabbed a knife and stabbed two people and was shot and killed very quickly

There had been a change in the law, after this you will see another change.

People like him are released because people like you defend not using the death sentence.

You just like to jump on the band wagon.

???

Are you okay?

[Tom4784]

So many muslims in this country who have nothing but utter contempt and disdain for western way of living, this is just another example.

Yes, let's paint a whole group of people as terrorists based on the actions of an extreme minority.

Let's reverse it, shall we? Most of the worst murderers in the UK have been white. How would you react if people started treating you like Jon Venebles because you happen to share common physical traits with him?

Blaming all muslims for the actions of a few is as a dumb as treating white people like murderous peadophiles. Both horrendous actions are committed by a minority and it's nothing short of dumb to paint in broad strokes.

Honestly? Attitudes like yours are basically what recruiters use to radicalise people to their cause.

[Swan]

Yes, let's paint a whole group of people as terrorists based on the actions of an extreme minority.

Let's reverse it, shall we? Most of the worst murderers in the UK have been white. How would you react if people started treating you like Jon Venebles because you happen to share common physical traits with him?

Blaming all muslims for the actions of a few is as a dumb as treating white people like murderous peadophiles. Both horrendous actions are committed by a minority and it's nothing short of dumb to paint in broad strokes.

Honestly? Attitudes like yours are basically what recruiters use to radicalise people to their cause.

'so many' does not mean 'all'. But there are thousands of muslims under surveillance in this country related to terrorist acts/threats. It's a fact you need to accept.

Also, it's about religion, not race (but yes a large amount of muslims are brown skinned/asian) but someone against area's of religion does not mean they're racist, it's a very narrow minded way of thinking.

Again, 'so many' not 'all' have utter disdain for western way of living, and a few thousand of them take it that one step further and promote/threaten/participate in terrorist acts in the country.

[arista]

the family had a chat channel where they shared videos of beheadings etc, shared info on what knives to use so i think she isn't being entirely truthful.


Thats not good.

[Tom4784]

'so many' does not mean 'all'. But there are thousands of muslims under surveillance in this country related to terrorist acts/threats. It's a fact you need to accept.

Also, it's about religion, not race (but yes a large amount of muslims are brown skinned/asian) but someone against area's of religion does not mean they're racist, it's a very narrow minded way of thinking.

Again, 'so many' not 'all' have utter disdain for western way of living, and a few thousand of them take it that one step further and promote/threaten/participate in terrorist acts in the country.

I didn't call you a racist or suggest you were, bit sensitive, are we? Reading too much into it?

I compared generalisations about muslims to potential generalisations about white since I can tell you're white and needed to prove a point about broad strokes.

Many means many, you can spin it how you want but you were talking in broad strokes regardless and you still are.

[Swan]

I didn't call you a racist or suggest you were, bit sensitive, are we? Reading too much into it?

I compared generalisations about muslims to potential generalisations about white since I can tell you're white and needed to prove a point about broad strokes.

Many means many, you can spin it how you want but you were talking in broad strokes regardless and you still are.

No but you assumed my qualms are centred around race, which isn't true, that's why i corrected you. It's a very common derailment when Islam is criticised/debated.

Race and religion are not the same thing. Saying things like 'i can tell you're white' proves what exactly?

[Beso]

Too many excuses being made for this scumbag.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/03/13/24247030-0-image-m-33_1580736446799.jpg

[Mother of Streatham terrorist reveals
her 'disgust' at son's attack,
claims he was radicalised in Belmarsh
– and how he asked for his
favourite mutton biryani just hours
before his knife rampage

Haleema Khan, 41, has described
her 20-year-old Streatham terrorist
son Sudesh Amman as a 'lovely boy'
She is trying to get her son's body
from police to bury him after finding
out on TV about his death in Streatham
Amman lived with Mrs Khan and
his five younger brothers in Harrow,
but was jailed for terror offences in 2018]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7960603/Streatham-terrorist-Sudesh-Ammans-mother-disgusted-rampage.html

[Tom4784]

No but you assumed my qualms are centred around race, which isn't true, that's why i corrected you. It's a very common derailment when Islam is criticised/debated.

Race and religion are not the same thing. Saying things like 'i can tell you're white' proves what exactly?

Point out to me, highlight it even, the exact moment I said your qualms were centred around race. Go on, I'll wait.

Try arguing against what I've actually said, not what your overactive imagination has dreamt up.

[Swan]

Let's reverse it, shall we? Most of the worst murderers in the UK have been white. How would you react if people started treating you like Jon Venebles because you happen to share common physical traits with him?

Blaming all muslims for the actions of a few is as a dumb as treating white people like murderous peadophiles. Both horrendous actions are committed by a minority and it's nothing short of dumb to paint in broad strokes.



I compared generalisations about muslims to potential generalisations about white since I can tell you're white and needed to prove a point about broad strokes.


Point out to me, highlight it even, the exact moment I said your qualms were centred around race. Go on, I'll wait.

Try arguing against what I've actually said, not what your overactive imagination has dreamt up.

You bought race into it, not me. You argued my point by bringing up race, so i made it clear it's not about race.

[arista]

Some think as he was being Followed
it spooked him,
he then went into the low price shop
grabbed a Big Knife
then stabbed two people
One Plain Closed Police Officer
who was following him , had a side bag,
helped shoot him.

[arista]

At Last The High Street is open again

BBC1 London News


The Locals Business folk do not want anymore
in the Local Bail Hostel.

[Livia]

I wondered how long it would take till it was someone else's fault.

He should never have been let out of prison. And if he hadn't been let out, you'd have people wringing their hands with worry about him; we'd be reminded he's a human being... and not all Muslims are terrorists. And it's true, they're not. But all the terrorists are Muslim right now. So if people refer to that fact, it doesn't make them a racist.

Lock terrorists up for ever.

[Tom4784]

You bought race into it, not me. You argued my point by bringing up race, so i made it clear it's not about race.

That's not what I asked but your answer has revealed a lot. You are constantly misreading what I'm saying. I've even explained why I mentioned race and you've either misunderstood or ignored it because it doesn't suit you to acknowledge it.

You painted in broad strokes about muslims, I simply flipped the script and used an example of a white person being grouped up with the worst of our society. I know that you are white so I used it as an example, I have literally said nothing about your issues with muslims being race related, that is a complete fabrication on your part as evidenced by you quoting all my posts and highlighting nothing of the sort.
.

[Tom4784]

Right Wing terrorism are also a thing but I'm not saying that everyone of a right wing persuasion should be on a watch list because that's just a dumb as making out that a lot of muslims are potentially terrorists.

[Ammi]

... the key points of Number 10's emergency legislation to stop terrorists being automatically released...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/robert-buckland-emergency-terror-legislation-183357896.html

[Mystic Mock]

I wondered how long it would take till it was someone else's fault.

He should never have been let out of prison. And if he hadn't been let out, you'd have people wringing their hands with worry about him; we'd be reminded he's a human being... and not all Muslims are terrorists. And it's true, they're not. But all the terrorists are Muslim right now. So if people refer to that fact, it doesn't make them a racist.

Lock terrorists up for ever.

Well not all terrorists are Muslims even in recent times.

Weren't there a white Christian guy a couple of years ago that drove a Van into a crowd of people?

I do agree with you that terrorists need to stay locked up though as they are a danger to society.

[Cherie]

Lawyers have expressed concerns and there could be a legal challenge to the law change :skull:

[Ammi]

...obviously the issue is not Muslim, it’s terrorism...but specifically the issue is the law and it’s something we observe over many releases...it’s not specific to any extremism...our laws are such that whole sentence terms are never or rarely served and those terms are given because in most cases, they are relevant to the crime committed...we do not need dehumanisation of Muslim people from our media or any other source...what we need is laws to protect from early releases of criminals, which is fully inclusive of imprisoned extremists...a prison sentence given should be a prison sentence served...and this has been screamed for decades...

[bots]

The serving the full length of the sentence aspect is just masking the issue for another year or whatever, it's not solving the problem.

i think the automatic only serving half the sentence aspect came from prison over population pressure. It should never be automatic, it should be based on good behaviour and rehabilitation

I dont think a legal challenge will be effective against the early release cases, but there will be a challenge against just extending sentences if there is no just cause such as bad behaviour in prison.

The issue really is, how do you stop someone from re-offending after they have served their time, and the simple answer is you cant. A burglar can serve their sentence and go out and rob again, a murderer can do the same, this is how it has always been. All you can do is have watch lists, which increases costs and manpower exponentially

[Ammi]

The serving the full length of the sentence aspect is just masking the issue for another year or whatever, it's not solving the problem.

i think the automatic only serving half the sentence aspect came from prison over population pressure. It should never be automatic, it should be based on good behaviour and rehabilitation

I dont think a legal challenge will be effective against the early release cases, but there will be a challenge against just extending sentences if there is no just cause such as bad behaviour in prison.

The issue really is, how do you stop someone from re-offending after they have served their time, and the simple answer is you cant. A burglar can serve their sentence and go out and rob again, a murderer can do the same, this is how it has always been. All you can do is have watch lists, which increases costs and manpower exponentially


...which is sadly what happens no matter what the crime...the reoffending comes because there has been no rehabilitation...the screaming should be for changes which would apply to all...not just ‘terrorist’...

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

The serving the full length of the sentence aspect is just masking the issue for another year or whatever, it's not solving the problem.

i think the automatic only serving half the sentence aspect came from prison over population pressure. It should never be automatic, it should be based on good behaviour and rehabilitation

I dont think a legal challenge will be effective against the early release cases, but there will be a challenge against just extending sentences if there is no just cause such as bad behaviour in prison.

The issue really is, how do you stop someone from re-offending after they have served their time, and the simple answer is you cant. A burglar can serve their sentence and go out and rob again, a murderer can do the same, this is how it has always been. All you can do is have watch lists, which increases costs and manpower exponentially

oh completely, it seems this new law would only extend the term to 3/4 of the sentence at any rate, but if no effort is made to rehabiliate then not sure what good that will do, if you watched the series Belmarsh on ITV recently it showed clearly what prison services are up against

[user104658]

So a slightly bizarre terrorist incident from someone they just happened to be closely following, where he bought the knife there and then, yet was wearing a fake bomb, has sparked an immediate law change stopping early release?

HHHMMMMmmmm

I'm not saying early release should be a thing, it should never have been in the first place, a law change probably is warranted anyway but... yeah.

[Beso]

Just remembered something about Sundays live coverage throughout the day on the bbc..

Bell Ribeiro-Addy the labour mp for streatham, let slip in a street interview that the terrorist was being followed by anti terrorism officers 2 hours before any official announcement..very foolish.

[Mystic Mock]

The serving the full length of the sentence aspect is just masking the issue for another year or whatever, it's not solving the problem.

i think the automatic only serving half the sentence aspect came from prison over population pressure. It should never be automatic, it should be based on good behaviour and rehabilitation

I dont think a legal challenge will be effective against the early release cases, but there will be a challenge against just extending sentences if there is no just cause such as bad behaviour in prison.

The issue really is, how do you stop someone from re-offending after they have served their time, and the simple answer is you cant. A burglar can serve their sentence and go out and rob again, a murderer can do the same, this is how it has always been. All you can do is have watch lists, which increases costs and manpower exponentially

I get what you're saying, but personally I'd downgrade crimes like theft to doing Community Service rather than a Prison sentence nowadays because of the overpopulation in the country means we should be reserving Prison space for the most sadistic criminals.

If criminals can get rehabilitated then great, but it's not my top priority at this point when it comes to fixing the structure of Prison sentencing.

[Livia]

Well not all terrorists are Muslims even in recent times.

Weren't there a white Christian guy a couple of years ago that drove a Van into a crowd of people?

I do agree with you that terrorists need to stay locked up though as they are a danger to society.


FBI's most wanted terrorists:

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

[Cherie]

So a slightly bizarre terrorist incident from someone they just happened to be closely following, where he bought the knife there and then, yet was wearing a fake bomb, has sparked an immediate law change stopping early release?

HHHMMMMmmmm

I'm not saying early release should be a thing, it should never have been in the first place, a law change probably is warranted anyway but... yeah.

In fairness they were supposed to do it after the LB attack

[thesheriff443]

Serious crimes come with rehabilitation clauses, like if a criminal does not admit that what they did was wrong or actually admit to carrying out the crime they will not be considered for release.

The problem is with terrorists they are devoted to their cause and will say and do anything to get back on the outside to continue their pledge of attacking the free world.

[bots]

A woman has told how she was pushed and stabbed by the Streatham attacker - but not hurt because he "didn't realise the knife still had plastic packaging on".

Rosa, not her real name, was in a shop in Streatham High Road on Sunday when Sudesh Amman, 20, launched his attack.

She described it as "like a movie" as Amman stabbed two people before being shot dead by police in south London.

Rosa said it was "horrific", adding: "Someone could have killed me when I was just going out to the shop."

One of the victims has been named as 51-year-old nursery school teacher Monika Luftner.

Speaking in Spanish in an interview translated by BBC News, Rosa, who is originally from the Dominican Republic, said she had been in a corner shop for about five minutes when "the man came in... who hurt the other people".

She told the BBC's Lucy Manning: "He came in and took a knife and he looked like he was leaving the shop. The owner thought he was going to stop by the cashier to pay.

"But... he pushed me, he tried to open and remove the plastic packaging from the knife but he didn't manage.

"He pushed and he stabbed me but the knife was still covered with plastic."

Rosa, 36, said Amman, who had previously been convicted of terror offences, then ran from the shop. "There was a woman just there removing the lock from her bike. He stabbed her in the back on the right-hand side," she said.

She went on to describe how Amman "went up the road shouting" before stabbing a man further up the road.

"I spent 15 to 20 minutes in hell," she said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51375908
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