Juice cleanse

[Kizzy]

I've done this before a few years ago, anyone else tried it? Day 3 now and struggling but determined :)

[thesheriff443]

No but tell me more, is like for a detox? Weight loss?

[Jessica.]

I've never gone on a crash diet

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sounds like a fad?

[Josy]

I don't like things labelled as 'cleanse' 'detox' etc, that's why we have a liver.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't like things labelled as 'cleanse' 'detox' etc, that's why we have a liver.

some of us do

:skull:

[Josy]

some of us do



:skull:Some of us do what?

[Jessica.]

Some of us do what?

Have livers, I presume.

[Josy]

Have livers, I presume.Oh

[Crimson Dynamo]

:fist: my liver is one of the hardest working organs on tibb

(and that is saying something with all the w****** on here)


:hehe:

[Cherie]

No it doesn’t appeal to me

[armand.kay]

when i had an eating disorder, yes.

[Marsh.]

when i had an eating disorder, yes.

:skull:

[Kizzy]

Well, there's some positive replies on here...
I have non alcoholic fatty liver disease ( I know lol!)
and recently a blood test showed I was pre diabetic :/
Decided to try get a handle on my health, and as it had worked before I'm giving it another go to try reduce my viseral fat.

The first time was after watching a film called ' Fat, sick and nearly dead' it followed a guy who reversed his chronic psoriasis via a juice fast.

I'm doing red and green days alternately,
Red is , carrot, red cabbage or beetroot, 1 green apple, 1 lemon and a piece of ginger root.

Green is, celery, cucumber, apple, lemon and ginger.

[Jessica.]

How can you expect positive replies when it's basically a starvation diet? Those things you're juicing are mostly water and the sugars won't be processed efficiently without the fibre which is removed in juicing so the calories that do actually make it in are empty ones. I could go on.

Obviously I can't comment on what you're going trough in your personal life but I hope you manage to get it under control

[GoldHeart]

But surely a diet purely on juice / blended food is not nutritional enough?? .

[thesheriff443]

Well, there's some positive replies on here...
I have non alcoholic fatty liver disease ( I know lol!)
and recently a blood test showed I was pre diabetic :/
Decided to try get a handle on my health, and as it had worked before I'm giving it another go to try reduce my viseral fat.

The first time was after watching a film called ' Fat, sick and nearly dead' it followed a guy who reversed his chronic psoriasis via a juice fast.

I'm doing red and green days alternately,
Red is , carrot, red cabbage or beetroot, 1 green apple, 1 lemon and a piece of ginger root.

Green is, celery, cucumber, apple, lemon and ginger.

Well !!! I’m definitely not going to knock you for taking a step in a direction that was successful in the past.

The body at times can have fantastic self healing properties if you work with it.

Good luck with your health kizzy.

[Ammi]

...just to echo Sheriff, I wish you good luck with your health, Kizzy..:hug:..I’ve just read some stuff on Non Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease, it’s something that I hadn’t heard of before...and improvements can be made with lifestyle changes etc, which you’re looking at....juice cleansing is something though that should always be done with medical direction..especially as there is an underlying condition..sorry that sounds a bit preachy, I don’t mean to...and maybe you’ve spoken to your GP...but I think it’s important that they help you with directive...are you able to see a nutritionist on the NHS..?...

...Sincerely good luck though..:hug:..

[AnnieK]

I'm sure Kizzy isn't going to do it for an extended period of time, just enough time to gain some benefits from it. Good luck Kizzy, my dad was diagnosed as pre diabetic and put in a support group, he made some changes to his diet, stepped up his exercise and now his blood tests show he is back in the normal limits.

[Cherie]

I have a friend who was diagnosed with NAFLD, she reversed it by eating foods that didn’t stress her liver, she cut down on red meat, processed foods, biscuits and crisps and ate a lot of fish, salad, fruit, apples in particular as the skin gets rid of cholesterol in the blood and grapes because they break down fat in the liver, also walnuts and avocado in salads last time she got her blood checked her liver function was 15 ...she is evangelical though and very determined, good luck!

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323915.php

[Kizzy]

Thanks guys :) I know it sounds extreme, I'm getting lots of soluble fibre, I wont be doing it for long. I've also got arthritis in my knee now ... falling to bits I am lol with any luck it'll help that too.

[Cal.]

when i had an eating disorder, yes.

!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess its like diabetes in that now we know that a good specific diet can reverse it so as long as a doctor is involved in the recommendations then its all good

[Cal.]

Well, there's some positive replies on here...
I have non alcoholic fatty liver disease ( I know lol!)
and recently a blood test showed I was pre diabetic :/
Decided to try get a handle on my health, and as it had worked before I'm giving it another go to try reduce my viseral fat.

The first time was after watching a film called ' Fat, sick and nearly dead' it followed a guy who reversed his chronic psoriasis via a juice fast.

I'm doing red and green days alternately,
Red is , carrot, red cabbage or beetroot, 1 green apple, 1 lemon and a piece of ginger root.

Green is, celery, cucumber, apple, lemon and ginger.

I do remember you saying it was working for you last time you did it mind

[Cherie]

I guess its like diabetes in that now we know that a good specific diet can reverse it so as long as a doctor is involved in the recommendations then its all good

tbh you don't need a GP to oversee healthy eating

[Niamh.]

Sorry to hear about your health issues Kizzy, best of luck with your diet :love:

[Kizzy]

Thanks :hug: you know me, as they say ' I get knocked down but I get up again!' ;)

[Josy]

Well, there's some positive replies on here...
I have non alcoholic fatty liver disease ( I know lol!)
and recently a blood test showed I was pre diabetic :/
Decided to try get a handle on my health, and as it had worked before I'm giving it another go to try reduce my viseral fat.

The first time was after watching a film called ' Fat, sick and nearly dead' it followed a guy who reversed his chronic psoriasis via a juice fast.

I'm doing red and green days alternately,
Red is , carrot, red cabbage or beetroot, 1 green apple, 1 lemon and a piece of ginger root.

Green is, celery, cucumber, apple, lemon and ginger.Sorry to hear that Kizzy, maybe be better to ask the doctor if a juice cleanse is a good idea with your diagnosis?

One of my friends in work has NAFLD, she tries to stick to eating lots of fresh fruit and veg and drinks these little protein packets twice a day I think she said they are probiotics?

Weirdly though she doesnt eat 3 meals a day but instead eats lots of smaller meals, she seems to be constantly nibbling lol

She walks a massive amount if steps per day too for exercise.

[Twosugars]

Intermittent fasting is beneficial. Like LT said, you can reverse diabetes 2 with that.

Is it a 5/2 diet Kizzy? (5 days normal diet and 2 fasting)?

[Kizzy]

I wish i was disciplined enough for 5/2, its all or nothing im afraid even though I think intermittent fasting is a great idea for health especially for those with chronic illness.

Working shifts I have totally lost any concept of balance in my diet and have lived of snacks for months and months :(
With any luck getting rid of my sugar and carb cravings will allow me to get back to basics and start enjoying a healthier diet going forward. I'm paying a yearly membership of our local pool/ gym next month to when this is all finished and I've dropped a bit of weight.
feeling very motivated :) Thanks again all! :love:

[Zizu]

I wish i was disciplined enough for 5/2, its all or nothing im afraid even though I think intermittent fasting is a great idea for health especially for those with chronic illness.

Working shifts I have totally lost any concept of balance in my diet and have lived of snacks for months and months :(
With any luck getting rid of my sugar and carb cravings will allow me to get back to basics and start enjoying a healthier diet going forward. I'm paying a yearly membership of our local pool/ gym next month to when this is all finished and I've dropped a bit of weight.
feeling very motivated :) Thanks again all! :love:



What’s stopping you trying 16/8 ??

Just means missing your breakfast each morning really ..


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[Josy]

I'm a massive fan of good ol calorie deficit tbh.

It's the only scientifically proven way to lose weight, all these other things are basically fads and none are sustainable in the long term.

[Zizu]

I'm a massive fan of good ol calorie deficit tbh.

It's the only scientifically proven way to lose weight, all these other things are basically fads and none are sustainable in the long term.



Five years is a fad ?

When you see elite Olympic level athletes turning to intermittent fasting you know you’re onto something good .


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[Zizu]

I guess its like diabetes in that now we know that a good specific diet can reverse it so as long as a doctor is involved in the recommendations then its all good



Yes and again intermittent fasting has been shown to successfully reverse type two diabetes.. . done properly


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[Josy]

Five years is a fad ?

When you see elite Olympic level athletes turning to intermittent fasting you know you’re onto something good .


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProIt's not a life time way of eating so yes, a fad.

[Twosugars]

Five years is a fad ?

When you see elite Olympic level athletes turning to intermittent fasting you know you’re onto something good .


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In my understanding Josy approves of intermittent fasting when she talks of calorie deficit.

[Twosugars]

It's not a life time way of eating so yes, a fad.

Oop at my previous post.

Actually it can be a way of eating.

A friend of mine always fasts on mondays for religious reasons :hee:

Same with health motivated fasting. If you get into a routine and it makes you feel better theres nothing to say you cant carry on.

Our ancestors didnt have food available all the time so it's not as if our bodies can't cope with that.

[Josy]

In my understanding Josy approves of intermittent fasting when she talks of calorie deficit.No I dont approve of I/F at all

I dont agree that fasting for periods of time throughout the day with a certain 'window's of time where you can eat is a healthy long term sustainable way to lose or keep at a healthy weight.

[Josy]

Oop at my previous post.



Actually it can be a way of eating.



A friend of mine always fasts on mondays for religious reasons :hee:



Same with health motivated fasting. If you get into a routine and it makes you feel better theres nothing to say you cant carry on.



Our ancestors didnt have food available all the time so it's not as if our bodies can't cope with that.

Yes so they fast for 1 day, not every single day forever hence it not being sustainable long term

[Zizu]

It's not a life time way of eating so yes, a fad.



Many have done it for decades .. I haven’t had breakfast for five years .

How is that a fad?


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[Zizu]

Oop at my previous post.



Actually it can be a way of eating.



A friend of mine always fasts on mondays for religious reasons :hee:



Same with health motivated fasting. If you get into a routine and it makes you feel better theres nothing to say you cant carry on.



Our ancestors didnt have food available all the time so it's not as if our bodies can't cope with that.



That’s where it all originates from .. nobody has breakfast ‘back in the day’ ...

Imagine the battle of Hastings ... you think they all got up early and enjoyed a full English then went off to slaughter each other all day ..


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[Josy]

Many have done it for decades .. I haven’t had breakfast for five years .

How is that a fad?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProWell that's not entirely true tbf, if you have a fasting window and you then 'break your fast' for that day, that's officially your breakfast :shrug:

[Zizu]

Yes so they fast for 1 day, not every single day forever hence it not being sustainable long term



Intermittent fasting of 16/8 ( or my 19/5) involves not eating for 16 or 19 hour periods EVERY DAY .. it’s nothing to do with the 5/2 version where they simply reduce their calorie intake to 600 cals twice a week .


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[Zizu]

Well that's not entirely true tbf, if you have a fasting window and you then 'break your fast' for that day, that's officially your breakfast :shrug:



That’s just being silly ..


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[Josy]

That’s just being silly ..


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProNo it isnt, it's true

[thesheriff443]

My brothers son who nineteen and over 6 foot wants gain weight.

I think it’s down to a person metabolism, as another friend can eat for England and never gains weight.

[Twosugars]

No I dont approve of I/F at all

I dont agree that fasting for periods of time throughout the day with a certain 'window's of time where you can eat is a healthy long term sustainable way to lose or keep at a healthy weight.

It's just a different way of distributing calorie deficit.
The science backs it up so we have to agree to disagree

[Twosugars]

Well that's not entirely true tbf, if you have a fasting window and you then 'break your fast' for that day, that's officially your breakfast :shrug:

Historically that's where the word came from. But I sense they meant fasting overnight so it comes back to the same thing ie a morning meal :shrug:

[Josy]

It's just a different way of distributing calorie deficit.

The science backs it up so we have to agree to disagreeThat depends what they choose to eat in the non fasting window they could binge depending on the person

But starving the body (because that's what it is) for so many hours out of each day does not bode well for having a healthy relationship with food in the future/long term IMO

[Twosugars]

That depends what they choose to eat in the non fasting window they could binge depending on the person

But starving the body (because that's what it is) for so many hours out of each day does not bode well for having a healthy relationship with food in the future/long term IMO

The assumption is they eat a balanced diet afaik. Fasting is not a licence to be a pig at other times obviously.
You have eg 5 days of your full calorific allowance, say 2000 kcal and 2 days on 500.
These may not be exact figures but you get the picture.

[Josy]

The assumption is they eat a balanced diet afaik. Fasting is not a licence to be a pig at other times obviously.
You have eg 5 days of your full calorific allowance, say 2000 kcal and 2 days on 500.
These may not be exact figures but you get the picture.That's only on the 5/2

Which isnt really the one I was talking about

[Zizu]

No it isnt, it's true



Well you’re either missing the whole point completely or you’re simply being obtuse


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[Zizu]

It's just a different way of distributing calorie deficit.

The science backs it up so we have to agree to disagree



Correct .. I’m done with that guy tbh


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[Josy]

Well you’re either missing the whole point completely or you’re simply being obtuse


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProNo its neither actually

[Twosugars]

That's only on the 5/2

Which isnt really the one I was talking about

Oop, ok.

Did you mean a daily routine like 16/8?

[Josy]

Oop, ok.



Did you mean a daily routine like 16/8?Yes

[Twosugars]

I'm not very familiar with that one so don't want to speculate how meals are distributed.

[Zizu]

That depends what they choose to eat in the non fasting window they could binge depending on the person

But starving the body (because that's what it is) for so many hours out of each day does not bode well for having a healthy relationship with food in the future/long term IMO



Well you’ve clearly not read up on intermittent fasting or the science behind it and you’ve certainly never tried it so you are basically just pizzing into the wind with your assumptions..


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[Josy]

Well you’ve clearly not read up on intermittent fasting or the science behind it and you’ve certainly never tried it so you are basically just pizzing into the wind with your assumptions..


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProYou're completely wrong on your first assumption.

I'm hypoglycemic and it wouldnt be a suitable healthy choice for me.

If it works for you thats great.

I'll stand my initial opinion of it.

[Zizu]

You're completely wrong on your first assumption.

I'm hypoglycemic and it wouldnt be a suitable healthy choice for me.

If it works for you thats great.

I'll stand my initial opinion of it.



You didn’t say that it wouldn’t work for YOU and then explain why .

You said you disagreed with the concept.. full stop.

Two completely different stand points


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[Kizzy]

I /F is misunderstood as it does look a bit like a fad to us, but in other countries it has been used for centuries as a veidic medicinal tool to heal the body. When you relieve your system of the need to process food constantly it can perform other functions, like healing.

In our consumer culture it seems alien now to suggest anyone consume less, but there really is no downside to eating a few less calories a day a couple of days a week, as ( relatively) healthy westerners we won't die of starvation.

It will help the environment too, less processed food and packaging improves your footstep :)

[Marsh.]

Correct .. I’m done with that guy tbh


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[Marsh.]

I /F is misunderstood as it does look a bit like a fad to us, but in other countries it has been used for centuries as a veidic medicinal tool to heal the body. When you relieve your system of the need to process food constantly it can perform other functions, like healing.

In our consumer culture it seems alien now to suggest anyone consume less, but there really is no downside to eating a few less calories a day a couple of days a week, as ( relatively) healthy westerners we won't die of starvation.

It will help the environment too, less processed food and packaging improves your footstep :)

Not really. The food you would have otherwise bought will either a) be purchased by someone else or b) get thrown out at the end of trading. :)

[Kizzy]

Who's to say that this 2000cal a day isn't as big a load of mumbo jumbo as we were fed (lol) in the 80s about fats being the enemy? When it's been found it's sugar and hidden sugar in foods that is the main contributory factor to obesity and chronic illness.

Calorie intake is not a one size fits all, you have to take into consideration your job, age, height, build and overall health.

Unlike some I don't agree with skipping meals, then you are at risk of feeling ill or making yourself crave instantly gratifying foods. I know that sounds odd being on a juice diet and saying that but these really are just a meal replacement, they have nutrients and fibre to be assimilated therefore the body is satiated.

During the war and post war food was rationed, people did not die.. they worked hard, danced and rebuilt the country, how could they do that if they were so deprived it impacted on them?.. it didn't because it doesn't.

[Zizu]

Who's to say that this 2000cal a day isn't as big a load of mumbo jumbo as we were fed (lol) in the 80s about fats being the enemy? When it's been found it's sugar and hidden sugar in foods that is the main contributory factor to obesity and chronic illness.

Calorie intake is not a one size fits all, you have to take into consideration your job, age, height, build and overall health.

Unlike some I don't agree with skipping meals, then you are at risk of feeling ill or making yourself crave instantly gratifying foods. I know that sounds odd being on a juice diet and saying that but these really are just a meal replacement, they have nutrients and fibre to be assimilated therefore the body is satiated.

During the war and post war food was rationed, people did not die.. they worked hard, danced and rebuilt the country, how could they do that if they were so deprived it impacted on them?.. it didn't because it doesn't.



You make some really , really good points ...

As regards the part where you touched on skipping meals and then eating junk .. I fast for 19 hours ( very occasionally even longer if something crops up ) but then my first meal is always a decent sized one and crammed with goodness ( no ‘junk’ or processed stuff) and it always tastes like the best meal ever.. oddly I don’t get hungry until the food is cooking when I KNOW I’ll be eating very soon . If we have an appointment or meeting or something after work I’ll just postpone the meal another couple of hours or so.. the delay makes no difference to my mindset or energy levels .. the bonus to this is that when the body has ‘used’ all the carbs ( after about 12 hours I think ) it starts burning the fat ....

The body only takes a few days to get used to missing breakfast .




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[Kizzy]

Not really. The food you would have otherwise bought will either a) be purchased by someone else or b) get thrown out at the end of trading. :)

Ok raincloud if doom it will help your personal consumption only :) if it were taken up by more there would be a bigger impact granted.

[Kizzy]

You make some really , really good points ...

As regards the part where you touched on skipping meals and then eating junk .. I fast for 19 hours ( very occasionally even longer if something crops up ) but then my first meal is always a decent sized one and crammed with goodness ( no ‘junk’ or processed stuff) and it always tastes like the best meal ever.. oddly I don’t get hungry until the food is cooking when I KNOW I’ll be eating very soon . If we have an appointment or meeting or something after work I’ll just postpone the meal another couple of hours or so.. the delay makes no difference to my mindset or energy levels .. the bonus to this is that when the body has ‘used’ all the carbs ( after about 12 hours I think ) it starts burning the fat ....

The body only takes a few days to get used to missing breakfast .




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I just can't see how you can do this, I drive for 50 mins to get to work, I couldn't function effectively at work having had nothing. At work there's no time or place to prepare and cook a meal so it would be microwaving something made at home, sandwiches or salad. Burning fat instead of glucose is ketosis, it can take up to 4 days to enter that state.

Going 19hrs and longer without any food is not healthy, your blood sugars will be spiking massively how can that be beneficial?

[caprimint]

Hope it goes well Kizzy :love:

Can't say I have any experience with this, I'd rather do a water fast every now and again (if I remember correctly Vicky/Livia have done one before for like 2 weeks or something). IF doesn't work for me either, I prefer to eat smaller amounts of food throughout the day

[Kizzy]

Thank you :) I don't agree with those either, it's just as bad as not eating at all, you are giving your body nothing.
I F is smaller amounts of food throughout the day, if you ate say 2 300 Cal meals 2 days a week that is all it is.

[Zizu]

I just can't see how you can do this, I drive for 50 mins to get to work, I couldn't function effectively at work having had nothing. At work there's no time or place to prepare and cook a meal so it would be microwaving something made at home, sandwiches or salad. Burning fat instead of glucose is ketosis, it can take up to 4 days to enter that state.



Going 19hrs and longer without any food is not healthy, your blood sugars will be spiking massively how can that be beneficial?

I always remember something from a survival program where they explained that if someone is dropped or lost in a desert - it helps to to know the ‘rule of three’ .

You can survive three hours in the blazing sun , three days without water and three WEEKS without food !!

Intermittent fasting simply works , wonderfully well as it happens ..I wake up with in good spirits with loads of energy and it stays like that ALL day , no dips in energy no ups or downs mood-wise .

Imagine not having to rush around in the morning , deciding what to have and making it , maybe washing up and tidying up afterwards .. I just have a couple of glasses of water and I’m good to go .

It’s all out there online if you’re interested ..

It took me 3 days maybe 4 to completely get used to no breakfast ..I’ll never , ever , go back to having it tbh

I know that some elite , Olympic level athletes are now using this method to get a ‘legal’ advantage over be others .


I recall reading a while back that breakfast wasn’t even a very common thing in Britain until the early 1900’s and it really kicked in properly in the 1950’s when Kellogg’s were struggling and got a top ad-man from the tobacco sector to give them a boost ...he apparently came up with the famous slogan ...

“ Breakfast, the main meal of the day” - the rest is history as they say .


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[Livia]

Fasting is good for you, although not if taken to extremes... but we know that.

What do people know about candida in their bodies? Anti candida diets are really good I find, at shifting weight quickly and making you feel better. Although you may feel groggy for a couple of days at the beginning. You're not allowed gluten, sugar (no fruit at the beginning), alcohol products or dairy. Instead you have lean proteins, healthy fats and non-starchy vegetables.

You can also take a supplement called citricidal, you take 12 or so drops in water in the morning - it tastes unbelievably foul - but helps kills of the candida in your digestive system. I started this a month after Asher was born, so start of November, and I was back to my pre-baby weight before Christmas. The best thing is that, after the first few days, I felt really well and full of energy.

[Twosugars]

Fasting is good for you, although not if taken to extremes... but we know that.

What do people know about candida in their bodies? Anti candida diets are really good I find, at shifting weight quickly and making you feel better. Although you may feel groggy for a couple of days at the beginning. You're not allowed gluten, sugar (no fruit at the beginning), alcohol products or dairy. Instead you have lean proteins, healthy fats and non-starchy vegetables.

You can also take a supplement called citricidal, you take 12 or so drops in water in the morning - it tastes unbelievably foul - but helps kills of the candida in your digestive system. I started this a month after Asher was born, so start of November, and I was back to my pre-baby weight before Christmas. The best thing is that, after the first few days, I felt really well and full of energy.

Interesting and worth checking out

[Marsh.]

Ok raincloud if doom it will help your personal consumption only :) if it were taken up by more there would be a bigger impact granted.

Not really because the juice cleanse is only temporary.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/05/article-1292187-0A54BC9B000005DC-477_468x286.jpg

[Kizzy]

I always remember something from a survival program where they explained that if someone is dropped or lost in a desert - it helps to to know the ‘rule of three’ .

You can survive three hours in the blazing sun , three days without water and three WEEKS without food !!

Intermittent fasting simply works , wonderfully well as it happens ..I wake up with in good spirits with loads of energy and it stays like that ALL day , no dips in energy no ups or downs mood-wise .

Imagine not having to rush around in the morning , deciding what to have and making it , maybe washing up and tidying up afterwards .. I just have a couple of glasses of water and I’m good to go .

It’s all out there online if you’re interested ..

It took me 3 days maybe 4 to completely get used to no breakfast ..I’ll never , ever , go back to having it tbh

I know that some elite , Olympic level athletes are now using this method to get a ‘legal’ advantage over be others .


I recall reading a while back that breakfast wasn’t even a very common thing in Britain until the early 1900’s and it really kicked in properly in the 1950’s when Kellogg’s were struggling and got a top ad-man from the tobacco sector to give them a boost ...he apparently came up with the famous slogan ...

“ Breakfast, the main meal of the day” - the rest is history as they say .


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What has survival got to do with anything?...
Going almost a day with no food is not I F, you do eat on that but minimal amounts regularly.

I'm aware how much misinformation there is on the internet, there is no way that going that long with nothing is healthy.
I find it hard to believe athletes would advocate this they are aware more than most that food is fuel.

Have you heard of a full English? People were tucking into those way before Mr Kellogg started pushing his nutritionally void corn based cereal.

[Kizzy]

Not really because the juice cleanse is only temporary.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/05/article-1292187-0A54BC9B000005DC-477_468x286.jpg

I said the juice was to rid myself of my carb and sugar cravings and move to a lifestyle less reliant on processed/ packaged food.

[Twosugars]

What has survival got to do with anything?...
Going almost a day with no food is not I F, you do eat on that but minimal amounts regularly.

I'm aware how much misinformation there is on the internet, there is no way that going that long with nothing is healthy.
I find it hard to believe athletes would advocate this they are aware more than most that food is fuel.

Have you heard of a full English? People were tucking into those way before Mr Kellogg started pushing his nutritionally void corn based cereal.

You're being too dogmatic about it imo.
Different strokes for different folks and all that

[Zizu]

What has survival got to do with anything?...

Going almost a day with no food is not I F, you do eat on that but minimal amounts regularly.



I'm aware how much misinformation there is on the internet, there is no way that going that long with nothing is healthy.

I find it hard to believe athletes would advocate this they are aware more than most that food is fuel.



Have you heard of a full English? People were tucking into those way before Mr Kellogg started pushing his nutritionally void corn based cereal.



Ok


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[Zizu]

Incidentally Keto is a lot more complex than you know who is suggesting ... many experience varying degrees of keto between 10 and 12 hours ..

Here’s an interesting link as well


https://www.google.com/amp/s/breakingmuscle.com/amp/healthy-eating/intermittent-fasting-for-athletes-the-why-and-how



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[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I’m fat

[Twosugars]

I’m fat

Cuddly queen

[Cherie]

Essentially you should do what suits you and your body, I tried the 5/2 but it made me dizzy, the only thing that works for me is less calories, more exercise, trying to eat in moderation and the occasional pig out :hee:

[Marsh.]

Kizzy, do your farts reek?

[Zizu]

Essentially you should do what suits you and your body, I tried the 5/2 but it made me dizzy, the only thing that works for me is less calories, more exercise, trying to eat in moderation and the occasional pig out :hee:



That works for some / many ..
The daily fast is completely different to the 5/2 one , of course . The 5/2 didn’t suit me at all as I like routine ..


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[Kizzy]

Incidentally Keto is a lot more complex than you know who is suggesting ... many experience varying degrees of keto between 10 and 12 hours ..

Here’s an interesting link as well


https://www.google.com/amp/s/breakingmuscle.com/amp/healthy-eating/intermittent-fasting-for-athletes-the-why-and-how



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Who mentioned keto?

[Jessica.]

Who mentioned keto?Fasting puts you into ketosis

[Zizu]

Who mentioned keto?



Errrr..... you ?



Burning fat instead of glucose is ketosis, it can take up to 4 days to enter that state.










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[Kizzy]

You're being too dogmatic about it imo.
Different strokes for different folks and all that

Not really intermittent fasting does involve eating..minimal amounts but you are eating. Not eating is just fasting.

[Kizzy]

Errrr.....




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Right I thought you meant keto as in diet, not being in ketosis. So ' you know who' is me?

[Zizu]

Not really intermittent fasting does involve eating..minimal amounts but you are eating. Not eating is just fasting.



Seriously you’re just being deliberately obtuse as I suggested previously and you’re just muddying the waters .

You’re just spreading misinformation as regards intermittent fasting .

. For one thing , It’s nothing to do with eating minimal amounts at any time .

I myself consume over 2500 calories - daily - in my five hour window .

I’m done here

If anyone is at all interested in learning the ‘truth’ about intermittent fasting it’s best you simply google .

16/8 Intermittent fasting and read up as much as possible- there are some great YouTube clips as well if you prefer


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[Kizzy]

Josy and I are obtuse because we don't agree going 19hrs without anything is odd?

I've been accused of being dogmatic but you are coming across quite militant imo.

5/2 is a form of IF and you eat very minimally but regularly through the day on that...

I can't see the benefit of eating a days calories in a 5hr window as opposed to spread throughout the day, it is still taxing the body... only it is causing more issues as to process that much food in a small window surely is stressing the functions required for digestion?

Little but often is the choice of athletes and bodybuilders always has been. Therefore I'd say it is you spreading misinformation.

[Kizzy]

I'm still on it btw...started batch making the juice and freezing them MUCH easier :)

[Zizu]

Josy and I are obtuse because we don't agree going 19hrs without anything is odd?

I've been accused of being dogmatic but you are coming across quite militant imo.

5/2 is a form of IF and you eat very minimally but regularly through the day on that...

I can't see the benefit of eating a days calories in a 5hr window as opposed to spread throughout the day, it is still taxing the body... only it is causing more issues as to process that much food in a small window surely is stressing the functions required for digestion?

Little but often is the choice of athletes and bodybuilders always has been. Therefore I'd say it is you spreading misinformation.



Then again only one of us ( me) has actually researched the subject and thrived on doing it for nearly five years ..

My comment about you being obtuse wasn’t to to with you not agreeing with anything.. . you just need to brush up on your reading comprehension..


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[Marsh.]

"thrived"

[Zizu]

"thrived"



... and yet you continue to follow me around from thread to thread just to bait .


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[Marsh.]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[user104658]

Meh. All anyone needs to do is cut wheat and refined sugars + dairy IF you have any degree of intolerance (which many do).

Sadly, wheat, refined sugars and dairy are literally the three most tastiest food groups :think:

[Zizu]

Meh. All anyone needs to do is cut wheat and refined sugars + dairy IF you have any degree of intolerance (which many do).

Sadly, wheat, refined sugars and dairy are literally the three most tastiest food groups :think:



Wise , wise words indeed !!


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[Kizzy]

Meh. All anyone needs to do is cut wheat and refined sugars + dairy IF you have any degree of intolerance (which many do).

Sadly, wheat, refined sugars and dairy are literally the three most tastiest food groups :think:

Any food can be tasty, what you mean is most processed foods contain those things. Cheers sherlock for pointing out the obvious that Lazy convenience foods aren't healthy.

[Josy]

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[Marsh.]

Any food can be tasty

That doesn't stop one group from being tastIEST.

[Kizzy]

What is tasty is subjective, fats are tasty meh, all you have to do is cut out fats then, when did the conversation switch to food intolerances, how is that relevant to this discussion?

How is wheat tasty?... :/

[Marsh.]

Yeah TS, don't come in here with your food talk.

[Twosugars]

Any food can be tasty, what you mean is most processed foods contain those things. Cheers sherlock for pointing out the obvious that Lazy convenience foods aren't healthy.

True, but physiologically we are programmed to find high energy food the tastiest for survival reasons.
They also give you better sense of being sated. Again physiology.

[Twosugars]

Low energy food will be digested faster so hunger returns faster

[Kizzy]

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Kizzy

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Anyone tried this diet? I have a couple of times, it's hard but something I think you get used to when you have a few dishes down that fit in with the calorie restrictions.

Also called the fast diet it was made popular following a BBC documentary Horizon presented by Dr Micheal Mosely.

The focus is on intermittent fasting, for 2 days a week (non consecutive) you restrict your calorie intake to 600 cals for men and 500 for women.

Sounds easy... It isn't, but I'm having another go.*
Anyone else willing to give it a go?*

http://thefastdiet.co.uk/the-fast-diet-quickly/

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Here I am raising a discussion on IF 7yrs ago....so forgive me if I have an opinion on this topic, I too have spent a lot of time researching this topic. It's rather rude to suggest you are the forum oracle on any given topic.


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[Kizzy]

Yeah TS, don't come in here with your food talk.

At least attempt some conext though.... saying meh and reeling off some food groups isn't really saying a lot is it?

[Zizu]

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*The 5-2 thread

Anyone tried this diet? I have a couple of times, it's hard but something I think you get used to when you have a few dishes down that fit in with the calorie restrictions.

Also called the fast diet it was made popular following a BBC documentary Horizon presented by Dr Micheal Mosely.

The focus is on intermittent fasting, for 2 days a week (non consecutive) you restrict your calorie intake to 600 cals for men and 500 for women.

Sounds easy... It isn't, but I'm having another go.*
Anyone else willing to give it a go?*

http://thefastdiet.co.uk/the-fast-diet-quickly/

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Here I am raising a discussion on IF 7yrs ago....so forgive me if I have an opinion on this topic, I too have spent a lot of time researching this topic. It's rather rude to suggest you are the forum oracle on any given topic.


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What the hell just happened :)


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[Marsh.]

At least attempt some conext though.... saying meh and reeling off some food groups isn't really saying a lot is it?

I thought he did. He offered his thoughts on methods of achieving what you're attempting with your juice cleanse. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

I thought he did. He offered his thoughts on methods of achieving what you're attempting with your juice cleanse. :shrug:

The two are not comparable so how could they have the same outcome?
I never mentioned food intolerances, that has nothing to do with the topic whatsoever.

[Zizu]

I can't see the benefit of eating a days calories in a 5hr window as opposed to spread throughout the day, it is still taxing the body... only it is causing more issues as to process that much food in a small window surely is stressing the functions required for digestion?

Little but often is the choice of athletes and bodybuilders always has been. Therefore I'd say it is you spreading misinformation.


https://youtu.be/Sgeh2w0j51w




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[smudgie]

.4849

Now that’s a diet I can stick to.

[user104658]

Kizzy hasn't posted for a few days, has her juice cleanse rendered her too weak to type :worry:

[Marsh.]

The two are not comparable so how could they have the same outcome?
I never mentioned food intolerances, that has nothing to do with the topic whatsoever.

:rant:

[arista]

Kizzy hasn't posted for a few days, has her juice cleanse rendered her too weak to type :worry:


She does not post every day nowday's
so I am sure she get off of this Dangerous Juice Fad

[Kizzy]

https://youtu.be/Sgeh2w0j51w




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This is what i would call misinformation. ..As I have shown I was an advocate of intermittent fasting 7yrs ago... in a controlled way.
Making yourself 'hangry' and releasing too many ketones is not healthy, especially when like me you work 12hr a day, drive and such... it's just not safe to do that.

I've just done a month on just juice, now I'm adding in a v low carb evening meal.

[Kizzy]

She does not post every day nowday's
so I am sure she get off of this Dangerous Juice Fad

It's not a fad if done correctly, I feel perfectly fine thank you. Funny how eating a big sweaty kebab or swilling 10 pints isn't classed as a dangerous fad but this is? ....hmm

[caprimint]

Omg congrats Kizzy :clap1: That's amazing, I don't think I could even go a week

How are you feeling?? Has it been hard at all and have you wanted to eat any sort of food?

[arista]

It's not a fad if done correctly, I feel perfectly fine thank you. Funny how eating a big sweaty kebab or swilling 10 pints isn't classed as a dangerous fad but this is? ....hmm


Yes it takes time to do internal damage,
A Balanced Food is all you need


Do not eat Kebabs

[Zizu]

It's not a fad if done correctly, I feel perfectly fine thank you.



Sounds like everything you decide to try is safe and advisable yet you dismiss any other suggestions as disinformation even when it comes from doctors or health specialists..


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[caprimint]

God y’all are so negative

[Marsh.]

Funny how eating a big sweaty kebab or swilling 10 pints isn't classed as a dangerous fad but this is? ....hmm

Oh don't be daft of course it is.

[caprimint]

But that's the point isn't it? Kizzy isn't planning on doing it forever so it's not really as bad as y'all are making it out to be?

[Marsh.]

Tbf, something doesn't have to be done forever or longterm to be dangerous. :shrug:

[caprimint]

Tbf, something doesn't have to be done forever or longterm to be dangerous. :shrug:
NOT you thinking a juice cleanse is dangerous when there's the Coronavirus to worry about!

[Marsh.]

NOT you thinking a juice cleanse is dangerous when there's the Coronavirus to worry about!

I never said it was either way. :nono:

[Cherie]

But that's the point isn't it? Kizzy isn't planning on doing it forever so it's not really as bad as y'all are making it out to be?

That's kind of the point, it's a band aid rather than a life time fix, if you want to keep weight off in the long term you need to devise a way you can eat every day and incorporate the occasional splurge without putting it back on, and that includes including some exercise to get your heart rate up and burn calories
but meh if she want to live on juice who am I to argue :shrug:

[caprimint]

That's kind of the point, it's a band aid rather than a life time fix, if you want to keep weight off in the long term you need to devise a way you can eat every day and incorporate the occasional splurge without putting it back on, and that includes including some exercise to get your heart rate up and burn calories
but meh if she want to live on juice who am I to argue :shrug:
As far as I'm aware Kizzy isn't doing it just for weight loss, but for a variety of other reasons too as she mentioned in her earlier posts.

I'm also pretty sure she's aware of what will work long-term (hence why she said it won't be for too long), but imo there's absolutely nothing wrong with doing things like this if they have a quicker effect and help the situation?

[Cherie]

As far as I'm aware Kizzy isn't doing it just for weight loss, but for a variety of other reasons too as she mentioned in her earlier posts.

I'm also pretty sure she's aware of what will work long-term (hence why she said it won't be for too long), but imo there's absolutely nothing wrong with doing things like this if they have a quicker effect and help the situation?
'
It's up to her what she does with her body but if she is pre diabetic or something she needs a long term fix, that's just my opinion

[Kizzy]

Sounds like everything you decide to try is safe and advisable yet you dismiss any other suggestions as disinformation even when it comes from doctors or health specialists..


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Everyone is different I suppose but if the doctors are describing how you feel is hangry then sorry I wouldn't have thought they would advocate that as a beneficial state to be in.
I didn't feel hangry. .. I didn't eat but drank regularly to satisfy any cravings and give my digestive system something to process and stop my blood sugars spiking wildly.

[Kizzy]

Oh don't be daft of course it is.

It isn't though because it's the norm... whereas in truth it's really dangerous.

[Kizzy]

Tbf, something doesn't have to be done forever or longterm to be dangerous. :shrug:

Go on... in all seriousness what do you think is dangerous about this juice cleanse surely you have some thing to back up such a claim?... something I can counter with my experience of it.

[Kizzy]

That's kind of the point, it's a band aid rather than a life time fix, if you want to keep weight off in the long term you need to devise a way you can eat every day and incorporate the occasional splurge without putting it back on, and that includes including some exercise to get your heart rate up and burn calories
but meh if she want to live on juice who am I to argue :shrug:

Of course it's a temporary measure, to rid your body of cravings for sugar, carbs, caffeine.

The real work begins in not reintroducing some foods back into your diet or at least vastly reducing your intake.
And getting motivated to move more.

[Kizzy]

As far as I'm aware Kizzy isn't doing it just for weight loss, but for a variety of other reasons too as she mentioned in her earlier posts.

I'm also pretty sure she's aware of what will work long-term (hence why she said it won't be for too long), but imo there's absolutely nothing wrong with doing things like this if they have a quicker effect and help the situation?
Thanks! That's exactly right, it's short term restriction of certain food groups, sugars and carbs to reboot your system to not crave them to function any longer.
Reduce inflammation and weight on sore joints or remove viceral fat from round organs.

[Marsh.]

Go on... in all seriousness what do you think is dangerous about this juice cleanse surely you have some thing to back up such a claim?... something I can counter with my experience of it.

Again... I never said it was. I was disputing the claim that something can't be dangerous if it's only short term. :hee:

[Marsh.]

It isn't though because it's the norm... whereas in truth it's really dangerous.

It is though. Just because people do it a lot, doesn't mean everyone doesn't know (and don't have it thrown at them all the time on TV and by doctors/teachers etc) that it's bad for you.

It's like smoking/vaping, people know full well it's dangerous and potentially life threatening, but yeah, people do it.

[Cherie]

Of course it's a temporary measure, to rid your body of cravings for sugar, carbs, caffeine.

The real work begins in not reintroducing some foods back into your diet or at least vastly reducing your intake.
And getting motivated to move more.

I agree with the move more, but I think where people fail is avoiding some foods altogether, I think everyone should be able to have a treat as completely cutting out foods is difficult and never works for me anyway

[Zizu]

Everyone is different I suppose but if the doctors are describing how you feel is hangry then sorry I wouldn't have thought they would advocate that as a beneficial state to be in.

I didn't feel hangry. .. I didn't eat but drank regularly to satisfy any cravings and give my digestive system something to process and stop my blood sugars spiking wildly.



Well I’ve never felt ‘hangry’ in nearly five years of intermittent fasting ..


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[Zizu]

Thanks! That's exactly right, it's short term restriction of certain food groups, sugars and carbs to reboot your system to not crave them to function any longer.

Reduce inflammation and weight on sore joints or remove viceral fat from round organs.



For what it’s worth .. this is something I actually fancy trying !!

How long are we talking to reduce my love of bread and sweet stuff ??


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[Kizzy]

Again... I never said it was. I was disputing the claim that something can't be dangerous if it's only short term. :hee:

Right so nothing to do with the thread topic ... obviously some things are dangerous even if done short term. Thanks for stating the obvious :hee:

[Marsh.]

Right so nothing to do with the thread topic ... obviously some things are dangerous even if done short term. Thanks for stating the obvious :hee:

I responded to a post in the thread, so yes it was.

Obvious to you, clearly not the person I was talking to.

[Kizzy]

It is though. Just because people do it a lot, doesn't mean everyone doesn't know (and don't have it thrown at them all the time on TV and by doctors/teachers etc) that it's bad for you.

It's like smoking/vaping, people know full well it's dangerous and potentially life threatening, but yeah, people do it.

It might be thrown at them by doctors but in the general population it's the norm ...go to the pub drink to excess, have a kebab. Nobody bats an eyelid.
Say you're doing a juice cleanse and it's, omg! Your gonna die! :bored:

[Kizzy]

For what it’s worth .. this is something I actually fancy trying !!

How long are we talking to reduce my love of bread and sweet stuff ??


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Im not sure to be honest if you love them like I do you will always want them, but personally I'd say the cravings went after about 4 days. You might feel pretty rubbish at first, headachy and such if you had a lot of caffeine but it passes and then it's fine :)

[Kizzy]

I responded to a post in the thread, so yes it was.

Obvious to you, clearly not the person I was talking to.

You did insinuate you were discussing juicing though maybe try make yourself clearer? A generic 'something' is not very helpful.

[Kizzy]

Update, I've done a month so added in a light evening meal, had scrambled egg yesterday and had a thin turkey steak and a punnet of mushrooms tonight mmmmm :)

[Marsh.]

It might be thrown at them by doctors but in the general population it's the norm ...go to the pub drink to excess, have a kebab. Nobody bats an eyelid.
Say you're doing a juice cleanse and it's, omg! Your gonna die! :bored:

No they don't bat an eyelid, but ask them and they know it's bad for them. They do it anyway. That's the point I was making.

[Marsh.]

You did insinuate you were discussing juicing though maybe try make yourself clearer? A generic 'something' is not very helpful.

I didn't insinuate anything. It wasn't a generic random comment, it was A REPLY to something Caprimint said.

:facepalm:

[Zizu]

Im not sure to be honest if you love them like I do you will always want them, but personally I'd say the cravings went after about 4 days. You might feel pretty rubbish at first, headachy and such if you had a lot of caffeine but it passes and then it's fine :)



I experienced that when I went from 7 cuppas a day to zero ... :)


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[Kizzy]

No they don't bat an eyelid, but ask them and they know it's bad for them. They do it anyway. That's the point I was making.

Do they?... That's subjective. A lot of the few pints and a takeout eaters I know think it's perfectly ok :/

[Kizzy]

I didn't insinuate anything. It wasn't a generic random comment, it was A REPLY to something Caprimint said.

:facepalm:

Yes... you didn't commit to whether you thought juicing was dangerous or not in that comment, although the tone of your posts suggests you feel it is. :facepalm:

Care to clarify?

[user104658]

In all seriousness - why would one need to juice cleanse in order to cut carbs and sugar? I generally don't eat empty "glutenny" carbs like bread, pasta, etc. and keep refined sugars low because I do get joint inflammation (shoulders and wrists, mostly) that seems to be drastically reduced when I keep refined carbs away. I've also reduced (though not stopped, too tasty) red meat consumption lately. But I'm not sure what the benefit of the juice cleanse is, over and above just cutting the junk.

[Marsh.]

Yes... you didn't commit to whether you thought juicing was dangerous or not in that comment, although the tone of your posts suggests you feel it is. :facepalm:

Care to clarify?

The comment speaks for itself in context of the post I quoted.

As does your ridiculous aggressiveness and defensiveness.

[Marsh.]

Do they?... That's subjective. A lot of the few pints and a takeout eaters I know think it's perfectly ok :/

Well it is perfectly ok unless they're doing it everyday. :shrug:

Funny how it only became subjective when I gave my perspective but not yours.

My point is people knowingly do things they are fully aware is bad or dangerous all the damn time, it's not about thinking it ok.

[Kizzy]

In all seriousness - why would one need to juice cleanse in order to cut carbs and sugar? I generally don't eat empty "glutenny" carbs like bread, pasta, etc. and keep refined sugars low because I do get joint inflammation (shoulders and wrists, mostly) that seems to be drastically reduced when I keep refined carbs away. I've also reduced (though not stopped, too tasty) red meat consumption lately. But I'm not sure what the benefit of the juice cleanse is, over and above just cutting the junk.
Again.. I did the juice cleanse to remove my cravings for sugar and carbs, I removed all sugars so my body used the viseral fat inside me as fuel as I have fatty liver disease so for me that is beneficial.
It will also help me return from my pre diabetic state quicker

One may not need to do it ...for me personally it has helped me immensely already.

[Kizzy]

The comment speaks for itself in context of the post I quoted.

As does your ridiculous aggressiveness and defensiveness.

Oh don't be daft of course it is.
That's a no then?...

I found this comment rude and aggressive, try being a little more respectful and tactful in your responses.

[Vicky.]

Still doing this kizzy? I remember you talking about this years back..

It still makes not much sense to me, however, thats because I do total water fasts instead, and the whole point of that is to get your body into ketosis, which burns fat FAST and leaves alone muscle largely. Where this, would not have that benefit, as the sugar would likely be too high to get into ketosis to start with.

But it seems to help those who try it so...meh. Also I have found, the psychological benefits of fasting in general are amazing. Its quite hard to explain, but I expect those who have done fasts understand what I mean...everythings so..clear. Its weird.

Loads of stuff thats actually rather healthy is written off as a dangerous fad. I know this from my research into water fasting, people see it as starving yourself, which is sort of right, however, you always stop it when you get a sign of true hunger, which oddly, tends not to be til a few WEEKS after starting it, as funnily enough, our bodies are not designed to be fed around the clock, and are actually able to go very long periods of time with no food at all (average body can go about 40 days with nothing bar water..much longer if overweight). It actually fixes a lot of health issues too, which was the main reason I tried it. Didn't fix me, but did lose 2 stone in a week and a half, 5 pounds of which was water weight as came back immediately, rest stayed off.

Fixes a lot of health stuff because again, our bodies naturally repair themselves with certain stuff (seems to help mostly with stuff like acne, but some people have had success with other illnesses too, my cousins swears his IBS is much better and easier to manage after a fast), and with no food, your body has much less work to do as whole digestive system is dormant, so it can get to work trying to fix issues. Its quite amazing really when you read into it, what our bodies can do if given the chance..

[Vicky.]

And yes, it does cut your cravings for crap.

Kind of a reset button in a way

My diet has been shocking in the past, pretty much living on takeaways and that. After a fast, you crave fresh veg and that for ages. For me, even the thought of a greasy burger made me feel ill for weeks. Eventually I have slipped back sometimes, but its easy to reset again, even just say..5 days fasting. I do plan on doing a 30 day one, to lose all my extra weight at some stage, just..not yet. Bit amibitious, even though the hunger goes around day 3/4, and you get loads of energy from nowhere too..

[Kizzy]

Well it is perfectly ok unless they're doing it everyday. :shrug:

Funny how it only became subjective when I gave my perspective but not yours.

My point is people knowingly do things they are fully aware is bad or dangerous all the damn time, it's not about thinking it ok.

Of course it's subjective .. you claimed 'they' know it's bad for them, that's not true is it? Some people think it's perfectly acceptable as they only do it once or twice a week.
It's still a dangerous fad..you don't have to be doing something everyday for it to be dangerous or a fad.

Unlike you I don't believe binge drinking and fast food are perfectly ok just because someone isn't doing it everyday :/

[Vicky.]

Not read the whole thread so not sure what this arguments about but fasting is much better for the body than even the occasional binge drink and kebab night tbh. Our bodies are meant to fast. And its obvious if you think about it..its only recent years where foods been on tap all the time, we used to have to hunt, and that could take forever and we didn't die out. Very long periods of time 'starving' is usual for us as animals, not for us as..well what we are used to, this 2000 calories, 4 meals a day stuff that we have over and over again since birth..

[LaLaLand]

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while. Have heard intermittent fasting is very beneficial too.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great.

I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water with a couple of hours in the gym a week and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it. :joker:

[Vicky.]

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse/intermittent fasting etc once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while AND you're using nutritious juice on the cleanse.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great. I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it. :joker:

Meh that bit doesn't matter. Waters actually best..so no nutrition at all :p

Obviously its an issue if you basically do it constantly, as thats anorexia really. But as a one off every now and again, even for a few weeks, its fine, unless you have other health issues (prob wouldnt be too safe for diabetics for example..but thats common sense) or are already very underweight.

[caprimint]

I remember you talking about it in another thread before Vicky

Did you find water fasting hard? And did you have anything like diet soda/tea or whatever? Also did you do any exercise or even just much walking throughout the days? Did you feel weak at all??

[Kizzy]

Still doing this kizzy? I remember you talking about this years back..

It still makes not much sense to me, however, thats because I do total water fasts instead, and the whole point of that is to get your body into ketosis, which burns fat FAST and leaves alone muscle largely. Where this, would not have that benefit, as the sugar would likely be too high to get into ketosis to start with.

But it seems to help those who try it so...meh. Also I have found, the psychological benefits of fasting in general are amazing. Its quite hard to explain, but I expect those who have done fasts understand what I mean...everythings so..clear. Its weird.

Loads of stuff thats actually rather healthy is written off as a dangerous fad. I know this from my research into water fasting, people see it as starving yourself, which is sort of right, however, you always stop it when you get a sign of true hunger, which oddly, tends not to be til a few WEEKS after starting it, as funnily enough, our bodies are not designed to be fed around the clock, and are actually able to go very long periods of time with no food at all (average body can go about 40 days with nothing bar water..much longer if overweight). It actually fixes a lot of health issues too, which was the main reason I tried it. Didn't fix me, but did lose 2 stone in a week and a half, 5 pounds of which was water weight as came back immediately, rest stayed off.

Fixes a lot of health stuff because again, our bodies naturally repair themselves with certain stuff (seems to help mostly with stuff like acne, but some people have had success with other illnesses too, my cousins swears his IBS is much better and easier to manage after a fast), and with no food, your body has much less work to do as whole digestive system is dormant, so it can get to work trying to fix issues. Its quite amazing really when you read into it, what our bodies can do if given the chance..

Hi Vicky great to see you :) yep did it about 4ish years ago with great results but working shifts for years has seen it all come back slowly :(
I couldn't water fast and work and drive wouldn't feel safe to do that. (I'm in various states of ketosis, sometimes light pink sometimes darker on the ketostix) only have a small fruit one in the mornings then it's just veg.

I agree it does take some time to explain the benefits for someone with chronic inflammation or complex heath problems. Like you I see it as a reset too, a way of resting the body from the taxing job of constantly digesting so it can focus on other tasks :)

[Kizzy]

And yes, it does cut your cravings for crap.

Kind of a reset button in a way

My diet has been shocking in the past, pretty much living on takeaways and that. After a fast, you crave fresh veg and that for ages. For me, even the thought of a greasy burger made me feel ill for weeks. Eventually I have slipped back sometimes, but its easy to reset again, even just say..5 days fasting. I do plan on doing a 30 day one, to lose all my extra weight at some stage, just..not yet. Bit amibitious, even though the hunger goes around day 3/4, and you get loads of energy from nowhere too..
Deffo agree! I remember last time after the fast trying to eat a Mars bar, it was so sweet! It was disgusting, unfortunately I persevered with it :/

[Vicky.]

I remember you talking about it in another thread before Vicky

Did you find water fasting hard? And did you have anything like diet soda/tea or whatever? Also did you do any exercise or even just much walking throughout the days? Did you feel weak at all??

To start with, definitely. It was more the..habit of eating though than hunger. Day 2 I am 'starving though' always, but day 3 the hunger vanishes totally and I get a ****load of energy, thats when I know my body has switched to basically feeding itself off my fat stores. Took a fair few tries to get past day 1 to start with! Not now though as I know its just one uncomfortable day, then I will feel healthier than ever for ages. Some people have diet drinks and that, I didn't, I did cheat and have chewing gum once though just for something to taste! Others have said even diet drinks have kicked them out of ketosis though, so not sure if its a good idea or not.

Did a lot of walking, had at least 3x as much energy as usual, which was odd the first time as..expected to be weak. Only ever feel weak on day 2, when body is adjusting. I have not done it to full 'body shows hunger' stage yet..I always break it before that, after a week or 2. But apparently, once your hunger signs show its impossible to ignore or miss..and if you continue the fast beyond that point THEN you are starving yourself. Will get to that stage eventually, just to see. They say real hunger is felt in the throat, not the stomach too, which is interesting..

Hi Vicky great to see you :) yep did it about 4ish years ago with great results but working shifts for years has seen it all come back slowly :(
I couldn't water fast and work and drive wouldn't feel safe to do that. (I'm in various states of ketosis, sometimes light pink sometimes darker on the ketostix) only have a small fruit one in the mornings then it's just veg.

I agree it does take some time to explain the benefits for someone with chronic inflammation or complex heath problems. Like you I see it as a reset too, a way of resting the body from the taxing job of constantly digesting so it can focus on other tasks :)
I remember spending ages taking in info to my doctor, to try and get them to supervise first one..as I was a bit skitzy with other issues..she kept telling me how unhealthy it is, meanwhile pain clinic consultant was telling me to try it as its 100% safe for me personally (not for everyone)

Theres a lot of ignorance around fasting. Its understandable, given how much its drummed into us that we should always be eating though

[Vicky.]

Deffo agree! I remember last time after the fast trying to eat a Mars bar, it was so sweet! It was disgusting, unfortunately I persevered with it :/

Haha yeah, been there. Its awful, but keep going. Then your body ends up craving sugar again and back to square one :D

[Kizzy]

Not read the whole thread so not sure what this arguments about but fasting is much better for the body than even the occasional binge drink and kebab night tbh. Our bodies are meant to fast. And its obvious if you think about it..its only recent years where foods been on tap all the time, we used to have to hunt, and that could take forever and we didn't die out. Very long periods of time 'starving' is usual for us as animals, not for us as..well what we are used to, this 2000 calories, 4 meals a day stuff that we have over and over again since birth..

Again agree, had this with my daughter before the last fast she said mum you need 2000 cals a day to function! I said is that the same for you? At the time she was 5'1 and a size 10 she said yes... so how come I'm 5'10 and a size 18 and we require exactly the same fuel? It's like expecting a truck to go as far as a micra on a litre of petrol!! :laugh:

[caprimint]

To start with, definitely. It was more the..habit of eating though than hunger. Day 2 I am 'starving though' always, but day 3 the hunger vanishes totally and I get a ****load of energy, thats when I know my body has switched to basically feeding itself off my fat stores. Took a fair few tries to get past day 1 to start with! Not now though as I know its just one uncomfortable day, then I will feel healthier than ever for ages. Some people have diet drinks and that, I didn't, I did cheat and have chewing gum once though just for something to taste! Others have said even diet drinks have kicked them out of ketosis though, so not sure if its a good idea or not.

Did a lot of walking, had at least 3x as much energy as usual, which was odd the first time as..expected to be weak. Only ever feel weak on day 2, when body is adjusting. I have not done it to full 'body shows hunger' stage yet..I always break it before that, after a week or 2. But apparently, once your hunger signs show its impossible to ignore or miss..and if you continue the fast beyond that point THEN you are starving yourself. Will get to that stage eventually, just to see. They say real hunger is felt in the throat, not the stomach too, which is interesting..
That's really interesting. :clap1: The most I've done was like 2 days and a bit, not planned though... I was travelling in the car a lot and just didn't really feel like eating and then realised after I'd not eaten anything, just drank water and tea. I actually felt fine, not hungry/weak or anything but on the third day I literally just ate because I thought I should. :skull:

Do you feel any different when you get into keto?

[Kizzy]

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while. Have heard intermittent fasting is very beneficial too.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great.

I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water with a couple of hours in the gym a week and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it. :joker:

Wowee that's some achievement well done!! With this wonky knee getting about is a pain which is a shame as I love walking :( but getting the weight off it is really helping, just joined a local pool as a member too :D

[Kizzy]

Haha yeah, been there. Its awful, but keep going. Then your body ends up craving sugar again and back to square one :D

Not doing that this time I've learned my lesson, I just got lazy and complacent. Just eating whatevers convenient and quick at work. I meal prep now and freeze stuff as my lad works shifts too.

[Vicky.]

That's really interesting. :clap1: The most I've done was like 2 days and a bit, not planned though... I was travelling in the car a lot and just didn't really feel like eating and then realised after I'd not eaten anything, just drank water and tea. I actually felt fine, not hungry/weak or anything but on the third day I literally just ate because I thought I should. :skull:

Do you feel any different when you get into keto?

Massively. Thats the energetic phase, also clear mind for some reason. I can concentrate better, memory gets better, everything. In keto I feel healthier than I did in my teens tbh. Remembering how good it makes me feel is actually making me want to do it again now :laugh: The 'keto flu' stage on day 2/3 though is bad..and seems worse if your diets been ****e for a while too, its a little like opiate withdrawal actually..very crappy. Luckily for me though, that lasts a day at most then its all done and I feel great, apparently it takes a few days for some people.

Main problems I have seen have been about breaking it. A guy I know did 2 weeks water fasting,m then stupidly broke it with a mcdonalds :bored: he actually ended up in hospital. If its been a while, you need to start with watermelon or something and build back up to 'normal' eating, not just binge like hell!

[caprimint]

Massively. Thats the energetic phase, also clear mind for some reason. I can concentrate better, memory gets better, everything. In keto I feel healthier than I did in my teens tbh. Remembering how good it makes me feel is actually making me want to do it again now :laugh: The 'keto flu' stage on day 2/3 though is bad..and seems worse if your diets been ****e for a while too, its a little like opiate withdrawal actually..very crappy. Luckily for me though, that lasts a day at most then its all done and I feel great, apparently it takes a few days for some people.

Main problems I have seen have been about breaking it. A guy I know did 2 weeks water fasting,m then stupidly broke it with a mcdonalds :bored: he actually ended up in hospital. If its been a while, you need to start with watermelon or something and build back up to 'normal' eating, not just binge like hell!
That's interesting to know :clap1:

That's crazy though @ going into hopspital :omgno: I've heard about it before that you need to begin again with fruit or something light to like ease back into it because your body's not used to it

[Vicky.]

That's interesting to know :clap1:

That's crazy though @ going into hopspital :omgno: I've heard about it before that you need to begin again with fruit or something light to like ease back into it because your body's not used to it

For sure, that bits generally not emphasized enough, its really really dangerous to just eat crap when you end it. As your system is not used to anything at all. I tend to use watermelon, and only one or two slices for the first day, then veg the next, takes about 5 days to break it properly for me but I am a little TOO cautious I think and you can do it faster than that.

He was in hospital as his guts just started to spasm madly..and it was very painful obviously! Ended up being in for a couple of days due to pain..and very much bollocked by the doctors as it was easily avoided by..just not being an idiot!

[user104658]

I feel like it's important to point out at this stage that some of the "dietary" advice being given here is ranging from inadvisable to downright dangerous. I mean... it's your body, do what you want with it, but I have to say draw a line at encouraging other people to do it.

If you want to be a healthy weight and feel good, eat whole grains, fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, legumes and lean protein and stick to that permanently. Crash dieting is dangerous and daft no matter how many internet articles tell you otherwise, and (as the people advocating it seem to be freely admitting??) almost always leads to a relapse into unhealthy eating.

Again do what you want with your own body but stop suggesting to other people that it's a good idea. It's reckless.

[Cherie]

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while. Have heard intermittent fasting is very beneficial too.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great.

I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water with a couple of hours in the gym a week and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it. :joker:

Amazing, you have done it in a way that you can maintain as well, lass calories more exercise is the only thing that works for me

I feel like it's important to point out at this stage that some of the "dietary" advice being given here is ranging from inadvisable to downright dangerous. I mean... it's your body, do what you want with it, but I have to say draw a line at encouraging other people to do it.

If you want to be a healthy weight and feel good, eat whole grains, fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, legumes and lean protein and stick to that permanently. Crash dieting is dangerous and daft no matter how many internet articles tell you otherwise, and (as the people advocating it seem to be freely admitting??) almost always leads to a relapse into unhealthy eating.

Again do what you want with your own body but stop suggesting to other people that it's a good idea. It's reckless.


A 30 day fast is insane :shrug:if you can fast for that length of time you should have no problem sticking to 1400 calories or thereabouts, add in 20 minutes a day of an exercise that will raise your heart rate and you will lose weight in no time :shrug:

[Vicky.]

Water fasting is not crash dieting :laugh: Only if you do it repeatedly in a short space of time, eat ****e inbetween and do it specifically to lose weight I guess..but not generally.

Its safe aslong as you have no existing health issues, and are not underweight. Best to check with GP first though, but for most people its very safe, and also healthy..

(My GP was against it though I have to say, it was my pain clinic consultant that told me to get into it to start with and gave loads of info, then she convinced GP its safe too...not random internet articles :laugh: )


Also should maybe point out, I didn't do it originally to lose weight. It was for the health benefits, and hoping my body *might* fix the problems I am having. That was the reason pain clinis consultant suggested it, as its been known to help many issues. Was a slim chance and didn't work. Weight loss was a happy side effect. Even now I do it for the high/energy I get when in ketosis rather than losing weight tbh.

[user104658]

It is the very definition of crash dieting :think:.

If it's been done on medical advice that's one thing (there are various medical reasons to fast) but that is literally the only time people should be considering it ... I'm genuinely a bit concerned that someone is going to read this thread and decide it's a great idea to stop eating for a couple of days, or only drink juice for a month. Besides the potential for physical complications, things like this can trigger bonafide eating disorders.

[Vicky.]

I would suggest a health checkup first, to make sure you do not have underlying diabetes or something. Besides that, safe to do and our bodies are designed to do it (shorter fasts, when you get onto months or whatever it does have dangers apparently, albeit, low ones)

Certainly not suggesting anyone just stop eating randomly :laugh: Infact I wouldn't recommend anyone did it specifically for weight loss anyway, although it is a very very fast way to lose weight, and none of mine came back bar waterweight.

[Marsh.]

Of course it's subjective .. you claimed 'they' know it's bad for them, that's not true is it? Some people think it's perfectly acceptable as they only do it once or twice a week.
It's still a dangerous fad..you don't have to be doing something everyday for it to be dangerous or a fad.

Unlike you I don't believe binge drinking and fast food are perfectly ok just because someone isn't doing it everyday :/

I never said it was "perfectly ok". I said it's not dangerous if it's done in moderation.

Yes, it is true that they know. Everywhere you look we're bombarded with healthy eating/living messages. People know drinking/smoking/sugar/fat is bad but people do it anyway as the pleasure of those vices outweighs any 'possible' future consequences. That's just people with various different levels of self control/tolerance, nothing to do with them "not knowing".

But, yeah, whatever.

[Marsh.]

That's a no then?...

I found this comment rude and aggressive, try being a little more respectful and tactful in your responses.

A no? You just asked a question about how dangerous juice cleanse is by quoting a post I replied to about "sweaty kebabs".

Stop deliberately pulling my replies out of context, it's childish.

[Vicky.]

Meh I think most have a 'anything in moderation is fine' mentality going on. Which is possibly right, maybe not but personally I would rather run the risk of an illness when older because of bad food choices, than be obsessively counting all calories, all fat content etc...that would be a pain in the arse tbh.

Mind, I also smoke, knowing full well its likely to give me issues at some stage.

Would rather enjoy life while I have it, than worry constantly trying to extend it in advance. Can't think of much worse than living to 100+ anyway!

[Marsh.]

Meh I think most have a 'anything in moderation is fine' mentality going on. Which is possibly right, maybe not but personally I would rather run the risk of an illness when older because of bad food choices, than be obsessively counting all calories, all fat content etc...that would be a pain in the arse tbh.

Mind, I also smoke, knowing full well its likely to give me issues at some stage.

Would rather enjoy life while I have it, than worry constantly trying to extend it in advance. Can't think of much worse than living to 100+ anyway!

Exactly. People take chances based on what they enjoy (or in some cases struggle to resist) whilst in full knowledge of what they are doing.

But, Kizzy likes to think they're all drooling uneducated twits who don't know what they're doing is unhealthy and she and her magic juice are all knowing. :hee:

[Vicky.]

I doubt theres many about that dont know that drinking even once a month then having a takeaway pizza or whatever is bad for you. Still tempting though so many do it anyway :D Near everything is bad for us anyway, or anything fun/yummy!

[Kizzy]

Amazing, you have done it in a way that you can maintain as well, lass calories more exercise is the only thing that works for me




A 30 day fast is insane :shrug:if you can fast for that length of time you should have no problem sticking to 1400 calories or thereabouts, add in 20 minutes a day of an exercise that will raise your heart rate and you will lose weight in no time :shrug:

I take it the insane comment is directed at me? ...

What exactly am I deficient in apart from a few calories? Veg juice has plenty of vitamins minerals and soluble fibre to sustain me through the day.
I'm finding it really rude the snide comments that I haven't thought this through and researched the benefits thoroughly. I have arthritis. .. some days I struggle to walk without moderate pain even on naproxen, please tell me what excersises you recommend for me that I can do for 20mins on those days Cherie. I'm really interested.

[Kizzy]

It is the very definition of crash dieting :think:.

If it's been done on medical advice that's one thing (there are various medical reasons to fast) but that is literally the only time people should be considering it ... I'm genuinely a bit concerned that someone is going to read this thread and decide it's a great idea to stop eating for a couple of days, or only drink juice for a month. Besides the potential for physical complications, things like this can trigger bonafide eating disorders.
Oh calm down, I haven't advocated it to anyone.. I've explained many times it was due to debilitating long term health conditions that I chose to reduce my calorie intake and drink only fruit and vegetable juices, hell if I'd said I was doing any other shake based diet would there be this much hoo-ha?
It's not a crash diet in any way shape or form.. I'm getting more nutrients from the juice in one sitting than I had in days on the diet I had! Refined carbs, sugar, saturated fat, more sugar.. how was that better?

Take your sanctamonious tone and drone on to someone else, I'm stunned you are accusing me of triggering someone into an eating disorder because Ive done a juice cleanse!!

My inspiration was seeing a film called 'fat, sick and nearly dead' for God's sake don't watch it, I don't want to be held responsible for your reaction!

[Kizzy]

A no? You just asked a question about how dangerous juice cleanse is by quoting a post I replied to about "sweaty kebabs".

Stop deliberately pulling my replies out of context, it's childish.

You are evading the question again... no matter I'm past caring.
It's clear you are just making random negative comments with no reasoning behind your logic.

[Beso]

I'm ****ing hungry..

[Beso]

Is sweaty kebabs a secret code word for a forum member:creep:

[Kizzy]

Exactly. People take chances based on what they enjoy (or in some cases struggle to resist) whilst in full knowledge of what they are doing.

But, Kizzy likes to think they're all drooling uneducated twits who don't know what they're doing is unhealthy and she and her magic juice are all knowing. :hee:

More rude ignorant comments..I'm done responding to your goading. Again those I work with think nothing of 'enjoying' themselves with drink and takeout. They don't see it as bad as they 'work hard' it's sociable and it's only once a week..

The assumption that everyone is well aware of the damage is wrong they don't , you are discrediting those I have spoke to to fit your narrative.

Personally I'm the opposite to Vicky, I will give up things to attempt to maintain my health for as long as possible. I've give up smoking, drinking, now if I have to I'll give up refined carbs, sat fat and sugar...

[Beso]

#istandwithkizzy

[caprimint]

#istandwithkizzy
YES to this!!!! :dance:

[Beso]

Best thread for me in ages..I've learned so much.

Thank you Kizzy.

[caprimint]

Best thread for me in ages..I've learned so much.

Thank you Kizzy.
Same, Kizzy and Vicky's knowledge put together is super insightful/interesting. The dream team :clap1:

[Cherie]

I take it the insane comment is directed at me? ...

What exactly am I deficient in apart from a few calories? Veg juice has plenty of vitamins minerals and soluble fibre to sustain me through the day.
I'm finding it really rude the snide comments that I haven't thought this through and researched the benefits thoroughly. I have arthritis. .. some days I struggle to walk without moderate pain even on naproxen, please tell me what excersises you recommend for me that I can do for 20mins on those days Cherie. I'm really interested.

How would it be directed at you, who is doing the water fast in this thread not you? You didn’t fast you were on a juice cleanse.


How do I know what pain you have, at any rate exercise is recommended for those even with severe arthritis...in fact if you don’t exercise you will cease up. Can you swim? or do water aerobics or something.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/arthritis/in-depth/arthritis/art-20047971

[user104658]

Yes congratulations to Kizzy on becoming a dietician. BSc in nutrition from "I watched a film about it" university.

Fasting is dangerous unless under medical direction.

But your bodies are your own so :shrug: do what you want I guess.

[Marsh.]

More rude ignorant comments..I'm done responding to your goading. Again those I work with think nothing of 'enjoying' themselves with drink and takeout. They don't see it as bad as they 'work hard' it's sociable and it's only once a week..

The assumption that everyone is well aware of the damage is wrong they don't , you are discrediting those I have spoke to to fit your narrative.

Personally I'm the opposite to Vicky, I will give up things to attempt to maintain my health for as long as possible. I've give up smoking, drinking, now if I have to I'll give up refined carbs, sat fat and sugar...

You think people can think "Ooh I've worked hard this week I'll treat myself to a takeaway or a beer" and that means they're not aware of the negative impact? Give over Kizzy. You're simplifying people and their actions to fit your own narrative that you're part of an enlightened few.

If you don't like goading don't quote a post I make to someone else and take it out of its context.

You began this exchange Kizzy, not me.

[Marsh.]

You are evading the question again... no matter I'm past caring.
It's clear you are just making random negative comments with no reasoning behind your logic.

I haven't evaded the question. What part of "I responded to a point Caprimint made" are you failing to grasp?

I neither know nor care how dangerous juice cleansing is, the post you took offence to was not referring to it. You're arguing about nothing.

Just as I never said takeaways and booze were "perfectly ok".

[Marsh.]

Maybe introducing some solid food into your diet would allow you to comprehend the written word better?

[Kizzy]

Yes congratulations to Kizzy on becoming a dietician. BSc in nutrition from "I watched a film about it" university.

Fasting is dangerous unless under medical direction.

But your bodies are your own so :shrug: do what you want I guess.

So my research and experience is moot and you are the expert who knows beyond a shadow of a doubt it will either lead to an eating disorder or is otherwise dangerous?

Thanks professor

[Kizzy]

How would it be directed at you, who is doing the water fast in this thread not you? You didn’t fast you were on a juice cleanse.


How do I know what pain you have, at any rate exercise is recommended for those even with severe arthritis...in fact if you don’t exercise you will cease up. Can you swim? or do water aerobics or something.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/arthritis/in-depth/arthritis/art-20047971

Because it's my thread and I've just done a 30 day cleanse/ fast maybe, are you attempting to educate me on my own condition? :laugh:

[Cherie]

Because it's my thread and I've just done a 30 day cleanse/ fast maybe, are you attempting to educate me on my own condition? :laugh:

Not at all, you just need to realise if you create a thread people will comment

[user104658]

So my research and experience is moot and you are the expert who knows beyond a shadow of a doubt it will either lead to an eating disorder or is otherwise dangerous?

Thanks professor

I'm not an expert at all, it just doesn't take much reading to find out that the VAST majority of actual experts would never recommend extreme dieting unless absolutely medically necessary, under the care and direction of a physician.

But of course, the UK is sick of experts, and I guess that extends to the ones who are saying such dumb things as "eating normally and healthily is better than purging your system of essential nutrients with juice fasting".

Which is what we should be calling it by the way; juice fasting. It is a form of fasting. It doesn't "cleanse" anything.

[Marsh.]

Not at all, you just need to realise if you create a thread people will comment

:o

[Kizzy]

You think people can think "Ooh I've worked hard this week I'll treat myself to a takeaway or a beer" and that means they're not aware of the negative impact? Give over Kizzy. You're simplifying people and their actions to fit your own narrative that you're part of an enlightened few.

If you don't like goading don't quote a post I make to someone else and take it out of its context.

You began this exchange Kizzy, not me.

You had no context.. it was a random statement you made with nothing to back it up.

I've spoken to many at work who think just that.. you insisting they are aware doesn't mean they are. I've given you an example of those who think it's fine and acceptable but for some reason you aren't able to process that.

I haven't suggested I'm in an enlightened few.. you're suggesting everyone is enlightened and they are aware of the damage they are doing.. for the last time the guys I've spoke to don't see it as damage at all.

[Marsh.]

You had no context.. it was a random statement you made with nothing to back it up.

I've spoken to many at work who think just that.. you insisting they are aware doesn't mean they are. I've given you an example of those who think it's fine and acceptable but for some reason you aren't able to process that.

I haven't suggested I'm in an enlightened few.. you're suggesting everyone is enlightened and they are aware of the damage they are doing.. for the last time the guys I've spoke to don't see it as damage at all.

It did have context. AGAIN, it was in response to Caprimint. Why it's so difficult for you to comprehend I have NO idea.

"People at work have takeaways and drink booze" =/= that "people" think that doing that is not unhealthy.

I've not suggested everyone is enlightened, I've suggested people are aware of what is and is not good for them (in general) not everyone is educated on food and lifestyles but general alcohol/takeaways=bad is an obvious one. But we as humans will just make a decision based on our own pleasures and whether we find the possible consequences a risk worth taking or not. That's not enlightened in the slightest.

Your conclusion that 'person eats takeaway = person doesn't understand how unhealthy it is' just does not work.

[Kizzy]

Not at all, you just need to realise if you create a thread people will comment

I'm well aware of that thankyou, I didn't expect all responses to be positive either, however when they become rude and condescending that's not acceptable.

[Kizzy]

Maybe introducing some solid food into your diet would allow you to comprehend the written word better?

If you were here for any other reason than to bait youd see I have added an evening meal.

[Marsh.]

If you were here for any other reason than to bait youd see I have added an evening meal.

AGAIN... I'm here because YOU quoted me Kizzy. I didn't address you at all until you took it upon yourself to take offence to a comment that was not about you.

Congratulations on eating food, I guess?

[Kizzy]

I'm not an expert at all, it just doesn't take much reading to find out that the VAST majority of actual experts would never recommend extreme dieting unless absolutely medically necessary, under the care and direction of a physician.

But of course, the UK is sick of experts, and I guess that extends to the ones who are saying such dumb things as "eating normally and healthily is better than purging your system of essential nutrients with juice fasting".

Which is what we should be calling it by the way; juice fasting. It is a form of fasting. It doesn't "cleanse" anything.

Have you any idea how ignorant this sounds? I have explained I was deficient nutritionally, full of inflammation and pre diabetic. I decided to flood my system with nutrient dense juice and your response is I'm 'purging' my system of 'essential' nutrients... which are those then?

As your research is so much more superior to mine and aligned with every expert in the world then well done you :bored:

[Kizzy]

It did have context. AGAIN, it was in response to Caprimint. Why it's so difficult for you to comprehend I have NO idea.

"People at work have takeaways and drink booze" =/= that "people" think that doing that is not unhealthy.

I've not suggested everyone is enlightened, I've suggested people are aware of what is and is not good for them (in general) not everyone is educated on food and lifestyles but general alcohol/takeaways=bad is an obvious one. But we as humans will just make a decision based on our own pleasures and whether we find the possible consequences a risk worth taking or not. That's not enlightened in the slightest.

Your conclusion that 'person eats takeaway = person doesn't understand how unhealthy it is' just does not work.

It's not a conclusion it's a result of actual conversations you insisting they are aware is not my experience talking to them. Bang on that they must all you like...

I'm aware who you were quoting, the comment was given no context imo.

[Marsh.]

It's not a conclusion it's a result of actual conversations you insisting they are aware is not my experience talking to them. Bang on that they must all you like...

I'm aware who you were quoting, the comment was given no context imo.

It was? :joker: The post I responded to that something doesn't have to be long term to be dangerous. You assumed I was stating juicing is dangerous. I wasn't.

I don't care what your co-workers think or do, my point is using them as proof that people who do xyz do not know abc is incorrect.

[Kizzy]

AGAIN... I'm here because YOU quoted me Kizzy. I didn't address you at all until you took it upon yourself to take offence to a comment that was not about you.

Congratulations on eating food, I guess?

I replied to a comment is all.. I am allowed, it's a forum.

[Kizzy]

It was? :joker: The post I responded to that something doesn't have to be long term to be dangerous. You assumed I was stating juicing is dangerous. I wasn't.

I don't care what your co-workers think or do, my point is using them as proof that people who do xyz do not know abc is incorrect.

Right so how does that work then? Are my Co workers not people?.. :/

I asked you many times what you were referring to and got nothing back.. no context whatsoever.
I haven't assumed anything.

It's clear you don't want to explain what you were referring to or you can't.

[user104658]

Have you any idea how ignorant this sounds? I have explained I was deficient nutritionally, full of inflammation and pre diabetic. I decided to flood my system with nutrient dense juice and your response is I'm 'purging' my system of 'essential' nutrients... which are those then?

As your research is so much more superior to mine and aligned with every expert in the world then well done you :bored:

All-liquid diets have a much faster digestive transit which means your body literally doesn't have time to process the nutrients that are there. I'm not even saying that the juice is bad or not rich in nutrients - I love a nice green juice - but it would be much more sensible to be having at least one small solid meal with wholegrains (unless gluten intolerant), fruit and veg and lean proteins.

Nutrient wise, unless your juicing contains more than fruit & veg I can basically guarantee that it's deficient in amino acids and proteins, and no matter what you argue, solid fibre is essential to gut health and digestive transit.

If the juice diet was nutritionally complete, you would be able to do it indefinitely. If you tried to do it for 3+ months you'd end up very ill and to be blunt, if you tried to do it for 6+ months you would die.

Any diet that you can't carry on indefinitely is a crash diet and there's very little real evidence that any form of crash diet is a net benefit for the human body... and spades of evidence that it can be damaging.

What reason can you really give for juice cleansing for a month before re-introducing solids after a month (because if you didn't you'd die) over and above simply overhauling your diet with clean whole food? The idea seems to be that it "gets rid of cravings" for high energy foods like sugars and fats, and thus makes it easier to stick to a better diet afterwards? So purely a willpower issue?

Do you know WHY it eliminates cravings for high energy foods? Because cravings work on a hierarchy of what your body needs urgently. Once the essentials are covered int he diet, it switches into "energy store" mode, craving fats and sugars to build a fat reserve because we're still primates instinctually expecting "a hard winter" where we'll need the fat stores.

But those energy store cravings come secondary to the essentials. You come out of a "cleanse" craving good, clean foods over sugars and fats because your body is craving basic life-sustaining nutrients and proteins due to being deprived of them for weeks. You should be somewhat worried that cravings for junk (energy dense food) have been miraculously replaced with cravings for basic nutrition.

And like I said, if it was nutritionally complete you'd be able to do it for 3 months, a year, 10 years. You will die if you try to. You will 100%, definitely, go into multi-organ failure due to protein deficiency.

Not safe. People shouldn't do it. By all means strip back your diet like I said, juice for breakfast, juice for dinner even, but please follow prof. TS's advice and have a healthy whole food lunch.

If being literally unable to do that through willpower is the issue then that's a completely separate problem that needs a completely different sort of work.

[Marsh.]

Right so how does that work then? Are my Co workers not people?.. :/

I asked you many times what you were referring to and got nothing back.. no context whatsoever.
I haven't assumed anything.

It's clear you don't want to explain what you were referring to or you can't.

Don't want or can't? :joker:

It's literally there for you to read.

Caprimint said "Kizzy isn't planning on doing it forever..." as a reason it is fine. I simply responded that something doesn't have to be permanent/long term to be dangerous. So "not doing it forever" isn't a good reason for ANYTHING to be seen as fine.

You took that to mean I was stating outright that juicing is dangerous. I corrected you.

Really not sure what needs to be explained. It's LITERALLY self explanatory. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

All-liquid diets have a much faster digestive transit which means your body literally doesn't have time to process the nutrients that are there. I'm not even saying that the juice is bad or not rich in nutrients - I love a nice green juice - but it would be much more sensible to be having at least one small solid meal with wholegrains (unless gluten intolerant), fruit and veg and lean proteins.

Nutrient wise, unless your juicing contains more than fruit & veg I can basically guarantee that it's deficient in amino acids and proteins, and no matter what you argue, solid fibre is essential to gut health and digestive transit.

If the juice diet was nutritionally complete, you would be able to do it indefinitely. If you tried to do it for 3+ months you'd end up very ill and to be blunt, if you tried to do it for 6+ months you would die.

Any diet that you can't carry on indefinitely is a crash diet and there's very little real evidence that any form of crash diet is a net benefit for the human body... and spades of evidence that it can be damaging.

What reason can you really give for juice cleansing for a month before re-introducing solids after a month (because if you didn't you'd die) over and above simply overhauling your diet with clean whole food? The idea seems to be that it "gets rid of cravings" for high energy foods like sugars and fats, and thus makes it easier to stick to a better diet afterwards? So purely a willpower issue?

Do you know WHY it eliminates cravings for high energy foods? Because cravings work on a hierarchy of what your body needs urgently. Once the essentials are covered int he diet, it switches into "energy store" mode, craving fats and sugars to build a fat reserve because we're still primates instinctually expecting "a hard winter" where we'll need the fat stores.

But those energy store cravings come secondary to the essentials. You come out of a "cleanse" craving good, clean foods over sugars and fats because your body is craving basic life-sustaining nutrients and proteins due to being deprived of them for weeks. You should be somewhat worried that cravings for junk (energy dense food) have been miraculously replaced with cravings for basic nutrition.

And like I said, if it was nutritionally complete you'd be able to do it for 3 months, a year, 10 years. You will die if you try to. You will 100%, definitely, go into multi-organ failure due to protein deficiency.

Not safe. People shouldn't do it. By all means strip back your diet like I said, juice for breakfast, juice for dinner even, but please follow prof. TS's advice and have a healthy whole food lunch.

If being literally unable to do that through willpower is the issue then that's a completely separate problem that needs a completely different sort of work.

None of this is backed up with anything it's just your usual stream of consciousness style advice.

Why do I need insoluble fibre if there is nothing to transit?

Where is the evidence that sufficient nutrients are not absorbed in transit?

Where is the evidence that 6 months would kill you?

If you had any real interest in my motives you would have read and understood the reasoning and logic but you obviously havent and don't.

[Marsh.]

I think it's pretty well known if you spent 6 months consuming nothing but juice you probably wouldn't reach 6 months.

[Kizzy]

Don't want or can't? :joker:

It's literally there for you to read.

Caprimint said "Kizzy isn't planning on doing it forever..." as a reason it is fine. I simply responded that something doesn't have to be permanent/long term to be dangerous. So "not doing it forever" isn't a good reason for ANYTHING to be seen as fine.

You took that to mean I was stating outright that juicing is dangerous. I corrected you.

Really not sure what needs to be explained. It's LITERALLY self explanatory. :shrug:

So you were talking abut juicing... you were mocking me earlier for 'assuming' you were?

Caprimints comment you quoted specifically referred to me and juicing :/
As I said you could have at any time clarified that you did or didn't feel it was dangerous short term and the conversation go from there...but you chose not to.

Anyhoo your I've pandered to the pedant in you too long, I do not want this thread closing because you failed to get your point across adequately.

[Kizzy]

I think it's pretty well known if you spent 6 months consuming nothing but juice you probably wouldn't reach 6 months.

That's subjective... it wouldn't be for everyone no but the super morbidly obese would be ok I'd say.

[Marsh.]

So you were talking abut juicing... you were mocking me earlier for 'assuming' you were?

Caprimints comment you quoted specifically referred to me and juicing :/
As I said you could have at any time clarified that you did or didn't feel it was dangerous short term and the conversation go from there...but you chose not to.

Anyhoo your I've pandered to the pedant in you too long, I do not want this thread closing because you failed to get your point across adequately.

You assumed I said juicing was dangerous. I said I wasn't referring to juicing when you first asked me.

You completely ignoring that and accusing me of not answering the question is your problem, not mine.

Tbf, something doesn't have to be done forever or longterm to be dangerous. :shrug:

NOT you thinking a juice cleanse is dangerous when there's the Coronavirus to worry about!

I never said it was either way. :nono:

Go on... in all seriousness what do you think is dangerous about this juice cleanse surely you have some thing to back up such a claim?... something I can counter with my experience of it.

Again... I never said it was. I was disputing the claim that something can't be dangerous if it's only short term. :hee:

Yes, I'M the pedant. :laugh2:

[user104658]

That's subjective... it wouldn't be for everyone no but the super morbidly obese would be ok I'd say.

I seriously, seriously hope that no one has stumbled upon this thread and is actually listening to this Kizzy because if you go anywhere near 6 months without a viable protein source, which you cannot possibly be getting from fruit and veg juice, your body will start to shut down. That's not an opinion it's biological fact. ****ing hell.

[user104658]

"We can live a whole lifetime (after infancy) without eating any carbohydrate, and we can live for 6 months or more without eating any fat, depending on how much fat we have on our bodies to begin with. However, we have no way to store proteins and can only live for a maximum of 70 days without eating any protein.

Since we can’t make proteins from scratch, and we can’t store excess protein, protein is the only macronutrient that we absolutely must eat regularly in order to thrive. Without enough protein in the diet, the body will have no choice but to break down muscle fibers to release the protein it needs to survive."

https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/protein/

If you must have a link. Please stop telling people they can go 6 months on fruit & veg if they're fat enough. Please.

[Kizzy]

You assumed I said juicing was dangerous. I said I wasn't referring to juicing when you first asked me.

You completely ignoring that and accusing me of not answering the question is your problem, not mine.










Yes, I'M the pedant. :laugh2:


You haven posted the comment you reacted to which specifically named me and mentioned juicing... whatever.

I'm glad we agree then :)

[Marsh.]

You haven posted the comment you reacted to which specifically named me and mentioned juicing... whatever.

I'm glad we agree then :)

:facepalm: Yet I'm the pedant.

You must be very insecure to be this bloody defensive.

[Kizzy]

I seriously, seriously hope that no one has stumbled upon this thread and is actually listening to this Kizzy because if you go anywhere near 6 months without a viable protein source, which you cannot possibly be getting from fruit and veg juice, your body will start to shut down. That's not an opinion it's biological fact. ****ing hell.

There is protein in veg you know. .. :/

Beetroot, kale. ..loads. Get a grip ts!

[Marsh.]

But that's the point isn't it? Kizzy isn't planning on doing it forever so it's not really as bad as y'all are making it out to be?

Tbf, something doesn't have to be done forever or longterm to be dangerous. :shrug:

NOT you thinking a juice cleanse is dangerous when there's the Coronavirus to worry about!

I never said it was either way. :nono:

There you go.

The context hasn't changed. Nor has me CLEARLY stating what I was saying.

:thumbs:

[Kizzy]

:facepalm: Yet I'm the pedant.

You must be very insecure to be this bloody defensive.

Now you're just clearly baiting, I'll ask you to stop.

[Cherie]

I'm well aware of that thankyou, I didn't expect all responses to be positive either, however when they become rude and condescending that's not acceptable.

I wasn't even speaking about you,:joker: I was referring to Vicky's water fast and she doesn't appear to have an issue so don't take it upon yourself to go into a huff, its not all about you.

[Marsh.]

Now you're just clearly baiting, I'll ask you to stop.

Because you're not the only one allowed to be rude?

Ok Kiz.

[Kizzy]

"We can live a whole lifetime (after infancy) without eating any carbohydrate, and we can live for 6 months or more without eating any fat, depending on how much fat we have on our bodies to begin with. However, we have no way to store proteins and can only live for a maximum of 70 days without eating any protein.

Since we can’t make proteins from scratch, and we can’t store excess protein, protein is the only macronutrient that we absolutely must eat regularly in order to thrive. Without enough protein in the diet, the body will have no choice but to break down muscle fibers to release the protein it needs to survive."

https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/protein/

If you must have a link. Please stop telling people they can go 6 months on fruit & veg if they're fat enough. Please.

Ok if you promise to educate yourself on other sources of protein other than meat :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I wasn't even speaking about you,:joker: I was referring to Vicky's water fast and she doesn't appear to have an issue so don't take it upon yourself to go into a huff, its not all about you.

I don't care if you were or not, I have every right to respond as I see fit..it's a forum, remember?

[Vicky.]

I wasn't even speaking about you,:joker: I was referring to Vicky's water fast and she doesn't appear to have an issue so don't take it upon yourself to go into a huff, its not all about you.

Meh, people can think its unsafe or whatever all they want. Was recommended by a health professional, first one was totally supervised (ie bloods everyday which was a pain in honesty..) but been basically told..carry on, its fine for you (and for most, apparently). Do it whenever, just if you plan any longer than a week, let us know :shrug:

I know it sounds crazy to most. Sounded crazy to me before all this :laugh:

The fact remains though, the human body is designed to be able to fast, for long (ish) periods also. Makes total sense really, given how we used to live. Really, we are not meant to have meat shrink wrapped at our fingertips whenever we want it :joker:

[Zizu]

Meh, people can think its unsafe or whatever all they want. Was recommended by a health professional, first one was totally supervised (ie bloods everyday which was a pain in honesty..) but been basically told..carry on, its fine for you (and for most, apparently). Do it whenever, just if you plan any longer than a week, let us know :shrug:

I know it sounds crazy to most. Sounded crazy to me before all this :laugh:

The fact remains though, the human body is designed to be able to fast, for long (ish) periods also. Makes total sense really, given how we used to live. Really, we are not meant to have meat shrink wrapped at our fingertips whenever we want it :joker:



Oddly enough my intermittent fasting (19:5 )seems crazy to most folk but I’ve been doing it for nearly five years .. I’ve never felt better and I never get ill .


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[Cherie]

Meh, people can think its unsafe or whatever all they want. Was recommended by a health professional, first one was totally supervised (ie bloods everyday which was a pain in honesty..) but been basically told..carry on, its fine for you (and for most, apparently). Do it whenever, just if you plan any longer than a week, let us know :shrug:

I know it sounds crazy to most. Sounded crazy to me before all this :laugh:

The fact remains though, the human body is designed to be able to fast, for long (ish) periods also. Makes total sense really, given how we used to live. Really, we are not meant to have meat shrink wrapped at our fingertips whenever we want it :joker:

fasting yes, no issue but 30 days in a row! rather you than me!

[Cherie]

I don't care if you were or not, I have every right to respond as I see fit..it's a forum, remember?

Don't call me rude and condescending then considering I wasn't referring to you and that will be grand

[Kizzy]

Don't call me rude and condescending them considering I wasn't referring to you and that will be grand

Where did I specifically accuse you of being rude and condescending?

[Vicky.]

fasting yes, no issue but 30 days in a row! rather you than me!

Ha, not sure if I would really ever do that long tbh..30 days would be (at the rate I lose fasting anyway) like..5 stone gone. I would weigh less than I did as a 10 year old D:

[Cherie]

Where did I specifically accuse you of being rude and condescending?

sigh, don't be passive aggressive then and put it in a post to me if it's not aimed at me.

[Kizzy]

sigh, don't be passive aggressive then and put it in a post to me if it's not aimed at me.

I'll post as I see fit to thank you..it's not my issue if you go in a huff about it..it's not all about you Cherie.

[armand.kay]

how y'all have 10 pages worth of discourse over a juice cleanse

[Marsh.]

how y'all have 10 pages worth of discourse over a juice cleanse

A forum cleanse needed?

[Vicky.]

A forum cleanse needed?

Ha. That would be useful.

I certainly have not missed the bickering :D

[Marsh.]

Ha. That would be useful.

I certainly have not missed the bickering :D

I thought you were quiet.

LT said you were in jail. :omgno:

[Vicky.]

:laugh:

[user104658]

Ok if you promise to educate yourself on other sources of protein other than meat [emoji23]There are plenty of plant-based sources, but they're not fruit and green veg? Are you "juicing" nuts and legumes? Because if you are, that's not juicing, it's blending, and thus not even a liquid diet in the first place.

[Kizzy]

There are plenty of plant-based sources, but they're not fruit and green veg? Are you "juicing" nuts and legumes? Because if you are, that's not juicing, it's blending, and thus not even a liquid diet in the first place.

Again...there is protein in veg.

[Cherie]

how y'all have 10 pages worth of discourse over a juice cleanse

Only on TiBB :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Again...there is protein in veg.

Aren't a lot of the properties lost in the juicing?

Like the fibre you would get just from eating veggies is lost in the juice.

[Marsh.]

Also from googling it says juices can spike your blood sugars. Doesn't sound good.

[Cherie]

I’m sitting here eating a legume because TS told me to

What even is a legume :bawling:

[Cherie]

Oh it’s a fancy name for a pea :oh: