"Prince Andrew stayed with billionaire accused of rape, victims as young as 14"

[LaLaLand]

:skull::skull::skull: The Prince is involved with a new bombshell:

Prince Andrew stayed with a billionaire who is accused of raping 10 women, some as young as 14.

Fashion magnate Peter Nygard is the second of Andrew’s associates to be accused of sex crimes, following his link to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

The women have filed a civil lawsuit against Nygard, 77.

The latest revelations of Andrew’s links to a tycoon accused of a sex scandal will come as a major embarrassment to a beleaguered Buckingham Palace.

He stayed at the Bahamas mansion of fashion mogul Nygard, who is facing a civil lawsuit in which it is alleged he raped 10 teenagers.

Three of them were said to be only 14 and another three 15 at the time.

He and then-wife Sarah Ferguson stayed at 77-year-old Nygard’s Caribbean home in 2000.

According to the lawsuit, Nygard “recruited, lured and enticed young, impressionable and often *impoverished children and women, with cash payments and false *promises of lucrative modelling *opportunities to assault, rape and sodomise them”.

It claims they would be *entertained at “pamper parties” where Nygard would have bartenders at his *Mayan-themed home spike their drinks with date-rape drug Rohypnol.

His staff were instructed to find young women for the weekly parties, the lawsuit alleges.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-stayed-billionaire-21500898

[Parmy]

Can you post the original link please

[LaLaLand]

Can you post the original link please

I did, it's there under the quote. :hee:

[Parmy]

I did, it's there under the quote. :hee:

I know I'm trying to.stay cool and still reply.

[Parmy]

It's all ****ed up.


Kid swapping if you ask me

[Mystic Mock]

And the Royal Family still stand by him.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

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Can’t wait to see his next game interview explaining this away


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[Jake.]

Disgusting

[arista]

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[Cherie]

And the Royal Family still stand by him.

He has been relieved of all duties and didn’t appear in his daughters official wedding photos so not really standing by him, Sarah Ferguson is though

He was never on his way back but this will be the final nail, he will never be seen on public duties again

[Alf]

As long as he wasn't going against the government and defying COVID advice. That would be much worse and would see people act differently towards him and see him as an outcast with something wrong with him. When in reality he's just the same person as when COVID started.

[jet]

:skull::skull::skull: The Prince is involved with a new bombshell:



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-stayed-billionaire-21500898

It's not new. That report is dated Feb 2020.

[jet]

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/a30949034/prince-andrew-peter-nygard-accused-rape/

Prince Andrew allegedly stayed with fashion executive accused of rape
Feb 2020

......The Duke of York is believed to have stayed at Nygard's mansion with his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York, in June 2000, and their two daughters, Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice.

Nygard reportedly hosted many celebrities and high-profile figures at his home in the Bahamas capital of Nassau.

There is no evidence to suggest that Prince Andrew knew anything about Nygard's alleged activities, nor is he the subject of any alleged wrongdoing in connection with the lawsuit against Nygard.

[arista]

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[user104658]

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Loosely translated as: "I still have feelings for him and feel a duty to him as my husband and that's why I continue to defend the indefensible".

At least she's started admitting it, I suppose?

[jet]

"I still have feelings for him and feel a duty to him as my husband and that's why I continue to defend the indefensible".

At least she's started admitting it, I suppose?

The big overgrown baby telling big overgrown porkies. :laugh:

Fix your sig, it's 'A' not 'An'.

[bots]

Sarah has some very dodgy morals so i wouldn't take any notice of her. Money is her god

[jet]

Sarah and her daughter Eugenie are the only ones still friendly with Meghan and Harry. :smug:

[Livia]

I'm not a supporter of Andrew, I think he should face his accusers. However, all the OP says about him is that "he and then-wife Sarah Ferguson stayed at 77-year-old Nygard’s Caribbean home in 2000". If they have any kind of hard evidence that Andrew took part in the rape of young and underage females then they need to present it. All we're hearing at the moment is that Andrew knew some very dodgy people. If there is anything else... anything that's indisputable... then he needs to stand trial. Otherwise... it's all just conjecture.

[user104658]

The big overgrown baby telling big overgrown porkies. :laugh:

Fix your sig, it's 'A' not 'An'.

1) It's not a signature, it's a user title

2) whoosh

...


3) What's the lie in my post? I posted my interpretation of her words, it's not a statement of fact so it can't be a lie? [I've edited for clarity, if that helps]

[Niamh.]

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/a30949034/prince-andrew-peter-nygard-accused-rape/

Prince Andrew allegedly stayed with fashion executive accused of rape
Feb 2020

......The Duke of York is believed to have stayed at Nygard's mansion with his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York, in June 2000, and their two daughters, Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice.

Nygard reportedly hosted many celebrities and high-profile figures at his home in the Bahamas capital of Nassau.

There is no evidence to suggest that Prince Andrew knew anything about Nygard's alleged activities, nor is he the subject of any alleged wrongdoing in connection with the lawsuit against Nygard.

There isn't in this case but he does hang out with a dubious bunch and we know he was not only aware but probably involved in the wrong doings of his buddy Jeffery

[jet]

1) It's not a signature, it's a user title

2) whoosh

...


3) What's the lie in my post? I posted my interpretation of her words, it's not a statement of fact so it can't be a lie? [I've edited for clarity, if that helps]

Trying to live up to your name with the wide - eyed innocence? :hehe:

Sarah had been adamant of his innocence from the start, so have his daugthers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9873075/Sarah-Ferguson-insists-100-certain-ex-husband-Prince-Andrew-telling-truth.html

Sarah Ferguson insists she is '100% certain' her ex-husband Prince Andrew is telling the truth over his part in Jeffrey Epstein scandal.

[user104658]

Trying to live up to your name with the wide - eyed innocence? :hehe:

I actually have no idea what you're on about.

Sarah had been adamant of his innocence from the start, so have his daugthers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9873075/Sarah-Ferguson-insists-100-certain-ex-husband-Prince-Andrew-telling-truth.html

Sarah Ferguson insists she is '100% certain' her ex-husband Prince Andrew is telling the truth over his part in Jeffrey Epstein scandal.

Yes... I know that... and now she's admitting that she feels a duty to him as her husband ("stands by her marital vows") and in my opinion this is probably a large part of the reason she's so adamant about his innocence. I feel like this is confusing for you somehow but I don't know why.

[jet]

There isn't in this case but he does hang out with dubious bunch and we know he was not only aware but probably involved in the wrong doings of his buddy Jeffery

I'm not sure if he was actually involved, there have been so many holes apparently in Virginia's stories involving other men as well. However, the thing that makes me suspicious is why he won't co - operate with the FBI in their enquires. They say they just want to question him about what he knows about Jeffrey Epstein.
He is going to be forced to do something now there is this civil case, so lets see.....

[smudgie]

So his wife and daughters stayed there with him.
Bit odd taking them there if he did know of the going ons.
You can be friendly with very dubious people and not know what they are doing in private.
My two very best friends were married to two brother for decades.
After they were divorced both the brothers ended up in jail.
One for rape of his partner and the other for being a paedo.
The paedo had been touching all 4 of his nieces up when they were young kids, it didn’t come to light until one of them broke down and told her mum years later.
Neither of these men had monster written on their foreheads, and were family friends for years.

[jet]

I actually have no idea what you're on about.





Living up to your name. Big overgrown baby - wide eyed innocence. Feeble joke. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I'm not sure if he was actually involved, there have been so many holes apparently in Virginia's stories involving other men as well. However, the thing that makes me suspicious is why he won't co - operate with the FBI in their enquires. They say they just want to question him about what he knows about Jeffrey Epstein.
He is going to be forced to do something now there is this civil case, so lets see.....

I believe her especially since he lied about meeting her and being upstairs in that house when there's photo evidence to say otherwise. i doubt anyone could be friends with that man and around those young women and girls he had in his properties and not know (or be involved) in what he was doing. And also, there's THAT interview.......

[user104658]

Living up to your name. Big overgrown baby - wide eyed innocence. Feeble joke. :laugh:

Oh you're doing a "thing". Well, whatever floats your boat I suppose.

[Alf]

I believe her especially since he lied about meeting her and being upstairs in that house when there's photo evidence to say otherwise. i doubt anyone could be friends with that man and around those young women and girls he had in his properties and not know (or be involved) in what he was doing. And also, there's THAT interview.......What do you think of Niamh's theory, Toy Soldier?

[user104658]

What do you think of Niamh's theory, Toy Soldier?

I agree with it, the idea that he was just friendly with all of these fiends "by coincidence" is ludicrous. At the very least he knew fine well what THEY were up to, and I suspect he was more involved than just with that one girl, but there's no real evidence of that so it's just speculation.

[Livia]

If we could see a guest list from Richard Branson's Necker Island in the Caribbean, I'm sure we'd all be surprised at the range of people who have been there for freebies.

[bots]

he has always had dodgy friends, he knew exactly what was going on. The TV interview was a massive blunder on his part because he just couldn't hide the fact that he was squirming, lying and conveniently forgetting things in equal measure

[Kazanne]

I'm not a supporter of Andrew, I think he should face his accusers. However, all the OP says about him is that "he and then-wife Sarah Ferguson stayed at 77-year-old Nygard’s Caribbean home in 2000". If they have any kind of hard evidence that Andrew took part in the rape of young and underage females then they need to present it. All we're hearing at the moment is that Andrew knew some very dodgy people. If there is anything else... anything that's indisputable... then he needs to stand trial. Otherwise... it's all just conjecture.

I agree with all that post.

[jet]

I agree with all that post.

:laugh: Yep, same here. :wavey:

[rusticgal]

Andrew is an extremely shady and arrogant liar. His pompous attitude stinks. The mud will stick and his lack of ownership will leave him forever doubted massively...he will never return to Royal duties unless he clears his name and assists with the investigations.
As for Fergie...whilst she has kept relatively low profile...she knows what side her bread is buttered...

[jet]

Yes... I know that... and now she's admitting that she feels a duty to him as her husband ("stands by her marital vows") and in my opinion this is probably a large part of the reason she's so adamant about his innocence. I feel like this is confusing for you somehow but I don't know why.

He's not her husband....and she wasn't caring about her marital vows when she was letting another man suck her toes while married to him. :hee:
She had affairs with 2 men while Andy was sailing the high seas in the Navy.

[Marsh.]

He just has a lot of dodgy mates. Nothing more to it surely.

[Marsh.]

He's not her husband....

Everybody knows that. Sarah has literally said she stands by her vows so clearly still thinks of him as her husband. Keep up.

[jet]

As I said, having affairs with 2 men while married wasn't standing by her marital vows. She said she was bored while he was away at sea.
Maybe her ex - husband (er, husband) potentially forcing sex on an underage girl doesn't bother her as much as boredom. :shrug:

[user104658]

As I said, having affairs with 2 men while married wasn't standing by her marital vows. She said she was bored while he was away at sea.
Maybe her ex - husband (er, husband) potentially forcing sex on an underage girl doesn't bother her as much as boredom. :shrug:


Whether she’d defend him when there are abuse allegations against him, and whether she’d cheat on him, are entirely unrelated… I don’t understand your logic here at all. She cheated on him so she would definitely not support him against an allegation of doing something illegal?

[jet]

Whether she’d defend him when there are abuse allegations against him, and whether she’d cheat on him, are entirely unrelated… I don’t understand your logic here at all. She cheated on him so she would definitely not support him against an allegation of doing something illegal?

'Standing by her marital vows' - she didn't with the affairs (while married) she is with the sex allegations (when not married). That's all I'm pointing out. Simple enough really?

[AnnieK]

Why has Sarah become the focal point in this? Andrew is the one with the dubious friendships - I don't really see what Sarah's extra marital affair has to do with that :shrug:

They have always maintained a strong friendship throughout the marriage and divorce and have continued to live together at times - she has chosen to stand by him at this time - if the allegations are proven, she may well feel differently.

His dubious connections have been his downfall here and his reluctance to talk to the FBI is telling plus THAT interview did him no good.

He will, I am sure, be causing the Queen untold embarrassment. This kind of thing is pretty damaging to the monarchy even though she has taken steps to distance him from official Royal duties.

[jet]

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It started with this Annie. :hee:

[LaLaLand]

It's not new. That report is dated Feb 2020.

See date of original post. :hehe:

[jet]

See date of original post. :hehe:

Yeah, I realized that, too late! Apologies LaLa. :hehe: :wavey:

[Marsh.]

Why has Sarah become the focal point in this? Andrew is the one with the dubious friendships - I don't really see what Sarah's extra marital affair has to do with that :shrug:

The same reason Meghan takes the heat for everything, misogyny.

[user104658]

'Standing by her marital vows' - she didn't with the affairs (while married) she is with the sex allegations (when not married). That's all I'm pointing out. Simple enough really?


Yea but what is your point, though? The two things are completely unrelated.

[jet]

Yea but what is your point, though? The two things are completely unrelated.

I was pointing out an observation, obviously. Was it too simple for you? :hehe:

[rusticgal]

Why has Sarah become the focal point in this?

have always maintained a strong friendship throughout the marriage and divorce and have continued to live together at times - she has chosen to stand by him at this time - if the allegations are proven, she may well feel differently.




She has become a focus in this debate because of what she has said on Social Media...and I thought her statement said she will stick by him whatever the outscome :shrug:

[user104658]

I was pointing out an observation, obviously. Was it too simple for you? :hehe:


No no it’s fine. But if a waste of everyone’s energy? She also has red hair, did you know.

[jet]

No no it’s fine. But if a waste of everyone’s energy? She also has red hair, did you know.

And blue eyes.

[AnnieK]

She has become a focus in this debate because of what she has said on Social Media...and I thought her statement said she will stick by him whatever the outscome :shrug:

I haven't read her statement. I was merely musing why she was the one taking the heat in this thread and her affairs etc were mentioned when its Andrew's dubious friendships that are surely more of a concern....both for any potential victims and the monarchy in general.

[rusticgal]

I haven't read her statement. I was merely musing why she was the one taking the heat in this thread and her affairs etc were mentioned when its Andrew's dubious friendships that are surely more of a concern....both for any potential victims and the monarchy in general.


But she’s not taking the ‘heat’ in this thread. She has come into the equation because of her support for him. There is little, if any support for Andrew apart from his beloved ex wife :laugh:

[Parmy]

This is the words of the duchess of roxburgh, she lived in floors castle before the duke died and passed ot to his son.

Floors castle is where prince Andrew proposed to fergie.









My first Yetholm ride…… By Lady Jane Grosvenor Dawnay (the former Duchess of Roxburgh) and mother to the current 11th Duke of Roxburghe, Charles Innes-Ker.

The first person I ever met at Floors Castle was Paddy Sullivan. It was one of those golden September days in the Borders which makes one want to paint a picture, write a poem or do something to recapture every magical breathtaking moment – if only one had a talent. I didn’t. I was a nervous girlfriend enroute to meet my in-laws to be (only I didn’t know that at the time) and anyway, I met Paddy Sullivan first. The small blue mini met us (The Duke and I) on the drive as we were passing the farm at Floors- he climbed out of the car with a beaming smile on his face and a spate of chatter to match. His boss, having just come back from being a soldier in Ulster and bringing an Irish lass home, he was curious, endlessly courteous and gave me a lovely, funny and very warm welcome. We were directed away from the Castle to pay our respects to “Sweet Story” who was in a field in all his thoroughbred scornful beauty. As Sullivan (as we used to call him) climbed in and out of Sweet Story’s legs showing how ‘tame’ the old stallion was, I was introduced in the most marvellous way to a very beloved home and one of the first of many wonderful people who gave me, an outsider, a feeling of belonging to the Border Country and also to Kelso, for which I am eternally grateful.
It was Sullivan who first mentioned the idea of joining in the Civic Week Celebrations. I had already met Derek Wichary who was the Laddie at the first visit to Floors and I had then thought what fun it all must be, as I watched the cavalcade clattering up to the porch at Floors. He had a marvellous speech and I shyly said how much I would like to join one of the rides. I rather thought it was something very much proudly part of Kelso, which it is, but I didn’t want to intrude like a club which you have to be born to, proven, and invited. Anyway, I was invited the following year, to my intense excitement. Sullivan was cock a’ hoop, having managed the whole thing, and hauled a disgruntled ‘Wexford’ out of his hunter’s pastoral holiday, all 16.3 h.h. of huge, dark, and thankfully amiable charm. He was enormously fat, but weeks of hard work did us both good d riding around the lanes and surrounding villages in May and June was lovely – hardly what one would call a chore.
About this time I discovered I was expecting my second baby, and I was slightly anxious what I had heard about the arduousness of the ride. I mentioned this to Sullivan, who flapped his hand in scorn and told me long stories about the lassies back home in Killarney who were flying banks out hunting up to the advanced stages of pregnancy – humbled by this knowledge, I carried on. Mrs Alexander McEwan of Whiteside, Greenlaw, was by this time mad keen to come as well. We thought we could hold each other’s hands if we became too scared and share a little moral support.
Before we really knew it Civic Week had arrived. I had to be away until the Thursday and arrived home in time for the ride to Floors and, for the second time I was extra-ordinarily struck by the dignity of the ceremony. The following day with thumping heart I dressed for the Whipman’s ride and had a rather frantic moment when I tried on my black coat. Unfortunately, the buttons would not meet the holes! After a prolonged search and much trying on of every coat in the house including my late father-in-law’s, I donned a coat belonging to my brother-in-law Robin and dashed out with Mrs McEwan, blue ribbons a’ flutter to meet Sullivan and the horses. His eyes narrowed a bit when he saw the coat but the old chuckle came out when I told him the woeful tale. After meeting in Kelso, we set off for the Ceremony and the presenting of the Whipman’s flag which was suitably bussed then set off for the short and lovely ride through Springwood Park to the Trysting Tree, the latter at an uncontrollable gallop by yours truly!! A small boy came forward and offered bravely to hold a rather wild eyed ‘Wexford’. Thank you little stranger, I never had a chance to that day! We then proceeded to the tree – no tree? When I queried this with Provost Sandy Blair before the introduction, he gave a slow smile and told me it had long been cut down and the remains had been made into furniture for the Castle, so I retreated abashed! I have never, I add hurriedly found any furniture to prove this claim.
After the Ceremony, the races took place, but a concerned husband forbade my participation, whether it was in defence of my fragile state or his horse’s legs, he forbore to comment. However, Mrs McEwan and I rode lazily back to the Castle fording the Tweed on way, our progress speedily increased with the help of a pigeon scarer!
Saturday…the big day, dawned dismal and drizzling, but nothing could dampen our excitement. We rode from Floors, Cecelia McEwen mounted on a nervous chestnut mare who bolted at the front gates. However, we achieved the Knowes without mishap, which was bustling with horses, ponies and people of all shapes and sizes. We proceeded to The Square following The Laddie and his Right and Left Hand men. The pipes played and the people cheered, evil eyed ponies kicked fretful thoroughbreds and all slithered on the cobbles in the rain. Cecelia McEwen was nearly bucked off as we listened to Sandy Blair’s ‘Safe Oot Safe In’ with an added prayer for the latter, and off we set at a brisk trot across the bridge with more cheers and some songs. It was a fantastic sight, about 200 horses and riders streaming back into Kelso and after the first field which sorted out a few of the wilder horses and a few bumps to match, we set off at a breath-taking pace. Pinnaclehill, Easter Softlaw Blackknowe Quarry flew past in a cloud of flying mud, shouts of glee and a few loose horses, and at the point of total exhaustion and exhilaration we stopped in a cloud of steam and flushed faces and foam flecked mouths. We were generously plied with soft drinks while the horses stood with slackened girths and heaving sides. Those with more foresight produced flasks of liquid courage, which was in great abundance. Some of the cocktail mixes would have made the barman at the Savoy in London green with envy at their imagination! Off we went again, and having got our breath back, had time to look around a little more. It may have been raining, but I have never seen anything quite so lovely as those hills, on the ride down to Yetholm. We paused for the wreath laying and rode into a town solid with history and tradition. After the refreshments on the Village Green at Kirk Yetholm, we returned to Town Yetholm for an excellent lunch in The Plough Hotel with The Laddie, his Right and Left Hand Men and were joined by David Steel M.P.
After lunch a rather sheepish Laddie descended to dance a very elegant reel and it was then time to go again. We had a moment of concern over Cecilia’s horse which had developed a rather ugly looking girth gall, but our horses had a really good rest in very kindly provided stables by the owner of The Plough Hotel, we set off at a gallop again from a wonderful hospitable Yetholm. In some cases, the hospitality had been so generous, a few were left by the wayside.
We passed by Primside, Linton, a quick break then plunged through Bowmont Forest. By this time ‘Wexford’ of the impeccable manners had had enough – he scented home like an old hound, got the bit between his teeth and off he went, skidding around corners like a formula one racing car, only he forgot that I was half a tree taller than he was, so by the time we reached Spylaw, I was wrapped around his neck with most of Bowmont Forest sticking out of my hairnet. Mr and Mrs Salvesen were wonderful hosts for another break before we settled into a subdued pace back into Kelso.
Back to base, tired, glowing and immensely happy ‘Safe Oot Safe In’. The Laddie dismounted, took his place like a King after receiving his Blue Bonnet under the Pavilion in the Square. Then as by Royal Command the deepest honour of the day was to be offered, the newcomers were to receive the badge to place in the centre of the famous blue rosette. I was one of the honoured, but as I descended off Wexford’s noble back and almost collapsed into a heap on the cobbles, I thought frantically how I would be able to make the walk up to the Pavilion. I staggered up to our charming Laddie trying to gather my bones and muscles together, to be warmly embraced by him, … bussed, I should say so – which made my day. I tottered back to the faithful Wexford, there was a hushed silence as I pig-headedly refused a leg up. The Square resounded with creaking joints, and miracles. I heaved myself into the saddle again, there was an understanding cheer, and I felt ridiculously pleased.
That was my ride to Yetholm and back, and it is something which I shall never forget, but most of all I am so grateful for the kindness and welcome I received from veterans and newcomers alike. To have taken part in the Yetholm Ride is something I am inordinately proud of and so, I hope will be my son, Charlie born seven months later.

[Parmy]

. After meeting in Kelso, we set off for the Ceremony and the presenting of the Whipman’s flag which was suitably bussed then set off for the short and lovely ride through Springwood Park to the Trysting Tree, the latter at an uncontrollable gallop by yours truly!! A small boy came forward and offered bravely to hold a rather wild eyed ‘Wexford’. Thank you little stranger, I never had a chance to that day!




Seriously could have been me, the Derek Wichary she talks about is my pal bevan wicharys uncle. Polish war immigrants from the 30s n 40s.

I remember him being the kelso laddie, and I remember being a kid following the horses up to floors castle on ly bike year after year.

You only did that to hold their horses whilst they went and drank beer for an hour or did the ceremonies..it was a free for all for us kids from the town, eyeing up the horses and the chance of a decent tip for onto the horses for them.

Dont ride the mind, and kick them in the guts if the roll over, was then order of the day



I always told them they rolled over in the hope of an extra quid.

Good money earner for a fit young lad that can ride a bike back in the day..

A paper laddies joy.

[Parmy]

https://youtu.be/3546QaoALj0

The queens looking at him like the worthless piece of **** he is in the first few moments.

[AnnieK]

Andrew has now been served the papers and so the clock is ticking for him to respond

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9978529/Prince-Andrew-served-notice-sexual-assault-suit-brought-Virginia-Giuffre.html

[Marsh.]

:hehe:

[bots]

i believe he was out getting pizza at the alleged time the papers were served. No sweat Andy

[LaLaLand]

Andrew has now been served the papers and so the clock is ticking for him to respond

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9978529/Prince-Andrew-served-notice-sexual-assault-suit-brought-Virginia-Giuffre.html

This’ll be interesting…

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

This’ll be interesting…


[Prince Andrew's lawyers 'claim court papers
in Virginia Roberts rape case were NOT properly
served as they plan to boycott court hearing
and hope to get case thrown out on a technicality'
Andrew's lawyers hope to get the rape case
thrown out on a technicality
The Duke was finally served legal papers
over a civil case for rape and sex assault
His team say the papers were not properly
served and they will boycott hearing]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979079/Prince-Andrews-lawyers-claim-court-papers-Virginia-Roberts-rape-case-NOT-properly-served.html

[bots]

he is just making himself look even more guilty if that was possible

[Cherie]

He is still wriggling

[Ashley.]

Andrew's lawyers hope to get the rape case
thrown out on a technicality

These lawyers know that their job is to make him not look guilty, right?

[Niamh.]

i believe he was out getting pizza at the alleged time the papers were served. No sweat Andy[emoji38]

[Livia]

He cannot continue to ignore this, it's not going away. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

[rusticgal]

he is just making himself look even more guilty if that was possible


Yes....its just embarrassing.

[rusticgal]

These lawyers know that their job is to make him not look guilty, right?


:laugh:

[thesheriff443]

The thing is this case is simply about how much money they can get from Epstein’s estate
Nothing to do with justice.

[Glenn.]

What an actual embarrassment to the Royal Family! Makes you see things in actual perspective!

[AnnieK]

I wonder what the Queen is thinking. Obviously, he is a 61 year old man and as such, probably won't listen much to his mother but that mother is the Queen...it puts a different spin on things.

His refusal to cooperate doesn't look good on anyone...

[Alf]

He is still wrigglingBut not sweating.

[user104658]

His refusal to cooperate doesn't look good on anyone...

His refusal to cooperate will be coming straight from the Royal Lawyers, which essentially means they think he's ****ed if he can't keep dodging this.

[bots]

his PR people will have a hard job dealing with this and the trial hasn't even started :laugh:

[rusticgal]

I wonder what the Queen is thinking. Obviously, he is a 61 year old man and as such, probably won't listen much to his mother but that mother is the Queen...it puts a different spin on things.

His refusal to cooperate doesn't look good on anyone...



She may be the Queen but I don't suppose she has any more control over her 61 year old son as any other mother would. Andrew is a pompous arrogant little ****e and he will do everything he can to squirm his way out of this situation and if that means going against the Queens wishes...he almost certainly will.

[arista]

His refusal to cooperate will be coming straight from the Royal Lawyers, which essentially means they think he's ****ed if he can't keep dodging this.


But he will dodge it
never letting a Stranger get near him.

To serve the Legal papers
you must give them to the person
it's Photographed at the same time.

[bots]

But he will dodge it
never letting a Stranger get near him.

To serve the Legal papers
you must give them to the person
it's Photographed at the same time.

it's not the same rules for people like Andrew, security staff don't let anyone near him and so it is equally valid to leave the papers with them

[Parmy]

Sarah's only back on the scene cause no one else let him pump them.

[arista]

it's not the same rules for people like Andrew, security staff don't let anyone near him and so it is equally valid to leave the papers with them


Yes Left with a Police Officer
but Lawyers will claim
thats not him.

[Cherie]

His refusal to cooperate will be coming straight from the Royal Lawyers, which essentially means they think he's ****ed if he can't keep dodging this.

He is using his own lawyers, the palace are not involved

[jet]

I don’t get why he’s been so evasive. They can’t have any actual evidence or they would have produced it before now, it’s basically she said, he said, isn’t it? Is he just being stupidly and bloody - mindedly stubborn or what? It’s all very puzzling.

[AnnieK]

I don’t get why he’s been so evasive. They can’t have any actual evidence or they would have produced it before now, it’s basically she said, he said, isn’t it? Is he just being stupidly and bloody - mindedly stubborn or what? It’s all very puzzling.

Unless there is something else that we have not been made aware of and he knows that or is worried that they have. Just looks like an admission of guilt to me the more he drags his feet.

[jet]

Unless there is something else that we have not been made aware of and he knows that or is worried that they have. Just looks like an admission of guilt to me the more he drags his feet.

But if they had something, they surely would have used it, as it then would have been a criminal case and he would have been put on trial. As it is, it isn’t a criminal case, it’s a civil case - which means that Ms Giuffre wants a court in New York to decide only whether her allegations are true and whether the Prince should pay her damages.
If they decide what she is saying is true, Andrew won’t be arrested, but he will have to award her many millions.

[rusticgal]

I don’t get why he’s been so evasive. They can’t have any actual evidence or they would have produced it before now, it’s basically she said, he said, isn’t it? Is he just being stupidly and bloody - mindedly stubborn or what? It’s all very puzzling.



Maybe she has disclosed something of a personal nature that only would be known by someone who has been up close and personal….

[AnnieK]

But if they had something, they surely would have used it, as it then would have been a criminal case and he would have been put on trial. As it is, it isn’t a criminal case, it’s a civil case - which means that Ms Giuffre wants a court in New York to decide only whether her allegations are true and whether the Prince should pay her damages.
If they decide what she is saying is true, Andrew won’t be arrested, but he will have to award her many millions.

Who knows? Possibly Andrew is small fry in comparison to Epstein and Maxwell and the FBI don't want to have to extradite him for criminal proceedings as it may delay Maxwell's trial? The American justice system is not something I am well read upon, I know they often go civil as they are awarded monetary compensation and its easier to get a verdict than a criminal case (OJ Simpson case springs to mind, not guilty in criminal court but guilty after civil action). Either way he looks murky.

Do you believe the allegations?

[thesheriff443]

He could simply go to the trial and say no comment to every think he is asked and that’s his right

So him not going there is nothing out of the ordinary

[Crimson Dynamo]

He could simply go to the trial and say no comment to every think he is asked and that’s his right

So him not going there is nothing out of the ordinary

welcome back

:clap1:

[bots]

the burden of proof in a civil case is not as strict as in a criminal case. It's not unusual over there to test the water in a civil case and if it's successful, to then go for a criminal trial. It also allows certain evidence to be entered into the record that can then be referred to later in a criminal trial. So Andrew needs to be very careful how he responds, because the knock on's can be enormous

[jet]

Who knows? Possibly Andrew is small fry in comparison to Epstein and Maxwell and the FBI don't want to have to extradite him for criminal proceedings as it may delay Maxwell's trial? The American justice system is not something I am well read upon, I know they often go civil as they are awarded monetary compensation and its easier to get a verdict than a criminal case (OJ Simpson case springs to mind, not guilty in criminal court but guilty after civil action). Either way he looks murky.

Do you believe the allegations?

I believe that he has very poor judgement and has hung around with some very dodgy and unsavory people, eg, Epstein, because that has been proven. Did he rape and abuse VIrginia? I don’t know. His behaviour makes him look guilty as hell, but I couldn’t say for sure.
I’d LIKE him to be proven innocent, not for his sake, because I’ve never particularly liked him; he’s an arrogant buffoon, but for the sake of the Queen. He’s her son, and she’s been through enough the last year or so.
What do you think?

[AnnieK]

I believe that he has very poor judgement and has hung around with some very dodgy and unsavory people, eg, Epstein, because that has been proven. Did he rape and abuse VIrginia? I don’t know. His behaviour makes him look guilty as hell, but I couldn’t say for sure.
I’d LIKE him to be proven innocent, not for his sake, because I’ve never particularly liked him; he’s an arrogant buffoon, but for the sake of the Queen. He’s her son, and she’s been through enough the last year or so.
What do you think?

Pretty much the same. I do think Virginia has been abused in her past, he was there so in my eyes he is at least guilty by association. Even if he didn't partake, I 100% believe he will have been aware of what was happening.

Sadly, even if their was absolute proof of his innocence, his friendships have forever sullied his name and cast a cloud on the Monarchy.

I do feel for the Queen...she is having another annus horriblis

[Alf]

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[Tom4784]

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[Parmy]

His predicament has not helped the covid situation. Imo.

[Parmy]

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Should he still be called prince if he has been stripped of royal duties?

[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/10/01/48974115-0-image-m-11_1633824893183.jpg

[Royals close door on Andrew: Charles, Edward and
Anne 'block their sibling's return to public life'
as William brands him a 'threat to the Firm' - while
Met Police 'quiz his rape accuser Virginia Giuffre']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10076053/Prince-William-sees-Andrew-threat-royal-family-insiders-claim.html

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
report Metro., Police
are no longer looking into Prince Andrew.

[Parmy]

Ch4HDnews
report Metro., Police
are no longer looking into Prince Andrew.

Sounds as though they've had enough of the royal bumhole:smug:

[arista]

Sounds as though they've had enough of the royal bumhole:smug:

No it is still Royal UK Scandal.


Private Prosecutions now

[Marsh.]

Scum.

[LaLaLand]

He and his lawyers will have to submit all evidence to a New York court by 14th July 2022.

[bots]

it's going to drag on forever

[arista]

BBC Text :
[The paper's main story reports allegations
that Prince Andrew had a £1.5m
loan paid off by a banker friend,
who is also a Tory donor.]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/16/22/50580985-0-image-m-14_1637103232580.jpg

[Prince Andrew's financier friend gave him £1.5m
to pay back a loan from his own bank,
in a mutually rewarding relationship
that saw the Tory donor
in front row of Eugenie's wedding.
Is THIS how the Duke funds the
high life he can't afford]


[Prince Andrew, 61, is reported to have
taken a loan of £1.5m from
businessman David Rowland
Mr Rowland, 76, is a Tory party donor
who owns Banque Havilland,
a Luxembourg-based private bank
The businessman paid off a loan
which Prince Andrew had taken
out with Banque Havilland
The revelation shows how inextricably
enmeshed Andrew's life
has become with those of the very wealthy]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10209885/RICHARD-KAY-grateful-Duke-York-remains-man-paid-1-5-million-loan-clear.html