Necessary lockdown??

[GoldHeart]

Do you think it's necessary for businesses like restaurants, bars , cinema ,theatres etc to close due to the coronavirus?.

And if any of these places are open would you still go to them , whilst just being careful?.

[Kate!]

Unfortunately yes. I do believe its necessary. And I will following the advice given. X

[Denver]

No not at all, people have to earn to live without work they go into crippling debts

[Cherie]

I think lockdown has worked elsewhere so probably a good idea, the issue we have now is ALOT of people who should take responsibility for keeping themselves safe are not doing so, and the NHS will be over run soon, looks like a lot of people need to be led around by the hand or they won't comply

[user104658]

It's temporarily necessary to slow the spread, I just hope that the government is willing to support these industries in the meantime and that the length of closures is controlled and sensible.

Unfortunately, I'm not confident of either, nor am I confident that this government will have much interest in supporting those who end up in financial trouble.

[GoldHeart]

But by that logic then everyone on TV is at risk ??. Including news crew etc.

They strongly advise over 70 year olds & pregnant women more to self isolate .

So surely a healthy person going to a pub / restaurant that's still open shouldn't worry too much? .

[arista]

Yes Lockdown is needed

[Kizzy]

They are forcing people to stay indoors informally... if you are not at work.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They are forcing people to stay indoors informally... if you are not at work.

asking

[user104658]

But by that logic then everyone on TV is at risk ??. Including news crew etc.

They strongly advise over 70 year olds & pregnant women more to self isolate .

So surely a healthy person going to a pub / restaurant that's still open shouldn't worry too much? .

Again the complicated part isn't getting ill... a healthy young person doesn't (really) need to worry about their health with it - no more than they need to worry about getting sick generally - however the reason for trying to get people to not do it is that for every healthy young person who gets it, it increases the risk that an at-risk person will get it, and the more people at risk of severe infection who get it the higher the burden on hospitals. They want as many people as possible (everyone, ideally) who needs hospital treatment to be able to get it and right now, if there's a sudden increase, they won't be able to.

When the medical experts talk about making "devastating choices" essentially what they're saying is, if there's a 75 year old and a < 50 year old who both need help breathing, the equipment will be given to the younger person and the 75 year old may die when they could have recovered with help. Genuinely a horrendous situation for that person, their family, and any healthcare staff having to make that decision.

[GoldHeart]

They are forcing people to stay indoors informally... if you are not at work.

They can't force people , not unless we get to the stage where military soldiers are blocking us in the streets .

[user104658]

asking

Weeeell... somewhere inbetween really. I (touch wood) can't see there being patrols literally keeping people in their homes, but on the other hand, if they close every social venue then they don't really need to ask because there'll be nowhere to actually go.

[user104658]

They can't force people , not unless we get to the stage where military soldiers are blocking us in the streets .

The UK doesn't even have a large enough police force or active military to enforce that country-wide. In densely populated areas like city centres it's not impossible, but not in every town and village :shrug:.

[Twosugars]

France will mobilise 100,000 police to carry out checks on people’s movements, the country’s interior minister, Christophe Castaner, has said.

In the past couple of hours, the French president Emmanuel Macron announced stricter controls after a weekend during which he said many French people had carried on largely as normal and, in so doing, put the people around them at risk.

[GoldHeart]

Weeeell... somewhere inbetween really. I (touch wood) can't see there being patrols literally keeping people in their homes, but on the other hand, if they close every social venue then they don't really need to ask because there'll be nowhere to actually go.

But if venues are still open , surely some people will still go to them ?. Obviously not many but still.

[Nicky91]

France will mobilise 100,000 police to carry out checks on people’s movements, the country’s interior minister, Christophe Castaner, has said.

In the past couple of hours, the French president Emmanuel Macron announced stricter controls after a weekend during which he said many French people had carried on largely as normal and, in so doing, put the people around them at risk.

yes, if people want to go outside they must ask for permission

a permission folder what French people can download online

but only for valid reasons such as grocery shopping, important work-related stuff, so no more activity there like going to bars, restaurants, cinema, concerts

[user104658]

But if venues are still open , surely some people will still go to them ?. Obviously not many but still.

I don't think they will be within the next week or so.

[GoldHeart]

I don't think they will be within the next week or so.

I googled some venues / bars etc which are still open.

[user104658]

I googled some venues / bars etc which are still open.

My guess would be announcement Friday, closed by Monday. I think SOME schools will close next week, too. Not sure if it'll be an all-at-once sweep or will start with just larger/city schools.

[GoldHeart]

My guess would be announcement Friday, closed by Monday. I think SOME schools will close next week, too. Not sure if it'll be an all-at-once sweep or will start with just larger/city schools.

Possibly, but it seems some are waiting further instructions .

But I have read that some theatres / bars are trying to just put into place safety measures , like making sure there's hand sanitisers & plenty of soap & water . And reminding people to wash their hands properly.

[bots]

i think London will get some lock down, then maybe manchester and birmingham later, the rest numbers wise wouldn't make any sizeable difference

[Kizzy]

They can't force people , not unless we get to the stage where military soldiers are blocking us in the streets .

If all the usual places people go to socialise are closed informally that is forcing you indoors.

[caprimint]

Not really

People just need to be more logical about who they're around (don't see older relatives etc) and the older people/people who are at risk of corona need to isolate themselves. It's going to be a massive disaster if there is nothing open and everybody is stuck inside their houses for 24 hours a day even when all the businesses remain open...

[Zizu]

I think lockdown has worked elsewhere so probably a good idea, the issue we have now is ALOT of people who should take responsibility for keeping themselves safe are not doing so, and the NHS will be over run soon, looks like a lot of people need to be led around by the hand or they won't comply



Thing is we are not dealing with the problem the same as all the other countries ... they are using strategies to combat the virus but WE are simply trying to delay it until the NHS is in better shape to cope ..


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[GoldHeart]

Not really

People just need to be more logical about who they're around (don't see older relatives etc) and the older people/people who are at risk of corona need to isolate themselves. It's going to be a massive disaster if there is nothing open and everybody is stuck inside their houses for 24 hours a day even when all the businesses remain open...

This was my initial thoughts , businesses will be highly affected .

But people are also worried they may accidentally pass the virus on . I really don't know what to make of it all .

Never seen anything like this in the UK before.

[user104658]

i think London will get some lock down, then maybe manchester and birmingham later, the rest numbers wise wouldn't make any sizeable difference

My thoughts are that while (temporary) lockdowns are sensible in large population centres whilst we focus on bolstering health services (mostly equipment), it makes little sense to confine unsymptomatic people to their homes in areas with low population density, including the elderly. The logic behind stopping a 75 year old going for a stroll down a country walking path with their poodles and chatting with people, so long as they keep a reasonable distance, is just ... zero.

[GoldHeart]

My thoughts are that while (temporary) lockdowns are sensible in large population centres whilst we focus on bolstering health services (mostly equipment), it makes little sense to confine unsymptomatic people to their homes in areas with low population density, including the elderly. The logic behind stopping a 75 year old going for a stroll down a country walking path with their poodles and chatting with people, so long as they keep a reasonable distance, is just ... zero.

What if someone without symptoms goes to a bar ,but takes precautions like washing & wiping their hands etc ?.

[Cherie]

What if someone without symptoms goes to a bar ,but takes precautions like washing & wiping their hands etc ?.

you might be carrying it with no symptoms and its airborne?

[GoldHeart]

you might be carrying it with no symptoms and its airborne?

I said take precautions , it's common sense to cover face and mouth when coughing and sneezing , and to thoroughly wash their hands . I understand it can still be passed on and I mentioned that.

But I'm not sure it's realistic to expect EVERYONE to self isolate for the foreseeable future.

[Crimson Dynamo]

if you get sick pay then jobs a good un and you will be all eager to do the right thing and pontificate

If you dont and your still have a job (!) you will be looking to "interpret" these "new rules" as best you can...

If you dont think you will die then your biggest worry is going broke

[Kizzy]

NatWest will suspend mortgages for 3 months if you're affected. Can't see this happening here though...

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/03/16/from-midnight-france-is-cancelling-all-utility-bills-to-help-citizens-cope/?fbclid=IwAR1a58W7GsXSJtcWdYnXvMzHlMif4qGOtnJL2--3OeNDOp11Wnm2BkYc3z4

[Denver]

NatWest will suspend mortgages for 3 months if you're affected. Can't see this happening here though...

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/03/16/from-midnight-france-is-cancelling-all-utility-bills-to-help-citizens-cope/?fbclid=IwAR1a58W7GsXSJtcWdYnXvMzHlMif4qGOtnJL2--3OeNDOp11Wnm2BkYc3z4

Following what France has done is a way Boris can prove people he is right for the job.

He needs to do what's best for the public not the fat cats at this period of time

[user104658]

you might be carrying it with no symptoms and its airborne?

If you'd read that article instead of just the scary headline Cherie :nono: it is not literally airborne - it is to be considered functionally airborne in certain medical settings due to the atmospheric conditions and the risk of droplets being aerosolized. It is not airborne in the community.

[GoldHeart]

If you'd read that article instead of just the scary headline Cherie :nono: it is not literally airborne - it is to be considered functionally airborne in certain medical settings due to the atmospheric conditions and the risk of droplets being aerosolized. It is not airborne in the community.

Yeah it's definitely scaring people .

And the face masks doesn't protect people, it prevents you from spreading it.

[user104658]

NatWest will suspend mortgages for 3 months if you're affected. Can't see this happening here though...

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/03/16/from-midnight-france-is-cancelling-all-utility-bills-to-help-citizens-cope/?fbclid=IwAR1a58W7GsXSJtcWdYnXvMzHlMif4qGOtnJL2--3OeNDOp11Wnm2BkYc3z4

"Suspending"? Hmm. I can see them expecting those bills to be made up later and that's potentially even worse for those with tight finances. The temptation will be there to skip these bills even for those who don't need to right now, leading to them having bigger bills for the rest of the year and being even further stretched.

You can easily suspend your gas, electric, water and council tax bills in the UK for a couple of months. Just don't pay your direct debit. Nothing will happen, except that in a couple of months you'll need to set a new one up at an increased amount to cover the shortfall. It won't even affect your credit rating :shrug:.

Rent is another matter; I can see them suspending council rents and being lenient with mortgages, leaving (as usual) private renters screwed over in the middle.

[Nicky91]

Yeah it's definitely scaring people .

And the face masks doesn't protect people, it prevents you from spreading it.

yup, also what French president Macron had said, only for the infected and medical personnel to wear face masks

[Tom4784]

No not at all, people have to earn to live without work they go into crippling debts

This isn't the US, you'll get compensated if you're not able to work.

[Denver]

This isn't the US, you'll get compensated if you're not able to work.

Well I'm very worried about finances as I move to my own flat in 2 days and it has come at the worst possible time

[Tom4784]

Well I'm very worried about finances as I move to my own flat in 2 days and it has come at the worst possible time

If it's a council flat then you'll probably be fine, if not then I imagine there will be something in place for private renters.

[Kizzy]

"Suspending"? Hmm. I can see them expecting those bills to be made up later and that's potentially even worse for those with tight finances. The temptation will be there to skip these bills even for those who don't need to right now, leading to them having bigger bills for the rest of the year and being even further stretched.

You can easily suspend your gas, electric, water and council tax bills in the UK for a couple of months. Just don't pay your direct debit. Nothing will happen, except that in a couple of months you'll need to set a new one up at an increased amount to cover the shortfall. It won't even affect your credit rating :shrug:.

Rent is another matter; I can see them suspending council rents and being lenient with mortgages, leaving (as usual) private renters screwed over in the middle.

To my mind suspending means it stops and resumes again as normal after 3 months.

[user104658]

This isn't the US, you'll get compensated if you're not able to work.

Unless you work for a certain multinational bookmakers that I traumatically used to work for, where they're threatening people over the phone if they try to call in for quarantine reasons, and stating point blank (with ambiguous authority, from what I remember of my contract it's BS) that they won't be paying sick pay. When half of the customer base is men over 60 :umm2:

But either way in general I think this is wishful thinking Dezzy; deep down you know that not everyone is going to be compensated for loss of income by either the govt. or the companies they work for, and the Tories will not compel said companies to do so when all's said and done.

[LukeB]

Influencers are telling people not to go work and shaming them for it! it's alright for them they can earn loads of money at home by making vids and that but some of us won't be able to work during a lockdown if that happens. We still need to think about the aftermath because bills and that don't pay by themselves and we still have to survive.

[user104658]

If it's a council flat then you'll probably be fine, if not then I imagine there will be something in place for private renters.

They'll remove private landlord's right to evict for a while but, even if there is a rule put in place to stop a debt recovery action for the missed payments, there's literally no legal basis for them stopping the landlords upping the rent when the suspension is over to make up the shortfall (which most will do).

[Nicky91]

or Strictly Pro AJ who wanted to continue with his own tour, despite it having audiences above 100 people

he's getting negative comments on social media even from his fans, who call him ''selfish''

https://www.instagram.com/p/B90DUikn4W6/

now he finally had to say it, few shows being postponed

[user104658]

Influencers are telling people not to go work and shaming them for it! it's alright for them they can earn loads of money at home by making vids and that but some of us won't be able to work during a lockdown if that happens. We still need to think about the aftermath because bills and that don't pay by themselves and we still have to survive.

Not only that but if everyone listens we're ****ed. Food manufacturers, goods transporters and food retail staff MUST continue to work or we're in a whole different heap of trouble.