Are you backing Boris?

[Kate!]

Regardless of your usual political leanings, are you backing Boris to get us through this situation. Do you have confidence in him? I am backing him by doing what he says and I have confidence in him and in Chancellor Rishi.

You?

[Kazanne]

Yes,to the hilt,i don't expect them to get everything right but I think they are playing a blinder,so yes I am backing him.

[caprimint]

Boris has GOT this :clap1:

[Liam-]

I’m not gonna hope he fails, cause if he fails, even more people will die, but I feel like he’s doing an awful job so far, he’s lagging behind all the evidence from across the world, he hasn’t put across a clear enough message and he’s just generally not doing enough, he purposely let things carry on and get to this point, IF he turns it around, pulls his finger out and things start to improve as a result of any action he takes, then I’ll give it to him, but as it stands, he’s completely incompetent.

Rishi is the man though.

[Kate!]

Yes,to the hilt,i don't expect them to get everything right but I think they are playing a blinder,so yes I am backing him.

Boris has GOT this :clap1:

:clap1:

[Smithy]

Nope, completely incompetent, the death toll from this will be terrifying due to his slow response and lack of action.

[Underscore]

Rishi is the one who I'm behind.

[Cherie]

Nope, completely incompetent, the death toll from this will be terrifying due to his slow response and lack of action.

Nope that will be because a lot of the GBP doesn’t believe the advice applies to them, it’s for someone else to adhere to

I think they are doing a good job, I think the shielding is currently taking priority, lock down in the next few days, there have been enough warnings I think Boris’s only fault is thinking that people care about others

[The Slim Reaper]

Folks already forgetting how scattergun his approach has been. He was going to let people die less than a week ago ffs.

[reece(:]

Him and Cummings need to seriously rethink their strategy. At this point I just want this over with, so enforce the lockdown already and let's see this through.

[Kazanne]

Nope that will be because a lot of the GBP doesn’t believe the advice applies to them, it’s for someone else to adhere to

I think they are doing a good job, I think the shielding is currently taking priority, lock down in the next few days, there have been enough warnings I think Boris’s only fault is thinking that people care about others


Agree Cherie ,he probably has faith that people have the sense follow the advice , people are to blame for the spread of this,not him.:wavey:

[Mitchell]

He really should’ve acted quicker and now we’re facing the consequences of it, but I’m sure he won’t be too upset considering the disabled and pensioners are the most likely to die from it, those that get a pension/disability benefits.

[Mitchell]

Although I truly hope he makes the right moves and ensures more people’s safety.

[Smithy]

He really should’ve acted quicker and now we’re facing the consequences of it, but I’m sure he won’t be too upset considering the disabled and pensioners are the most likely to die from it, those that get a pension/disability benefits.

Him not acting quick enough and now his voter base is all gonna die like, hello, irony

[The Slim Reaper]

Him not acting quick enough and now his voter base is all gonna die like, hello, irony

Going on Holly and Phil talking about letting it run through the country, then wonders why people are confused.

[Liam-]

Folks already forgetting how scattergun his approach has been. He was going to let people die less than a week ago ffs.

Literally

[The Slim Reaper]

Cummings, his chief advisor, today quoted in the Sunday Times (tory establishment) talking aout how he was willing to sacrifice old people for the economy.

Amazing what a posh accent and a tv pedestal does to the population.

[MB.]

The same Boris who just today announced a major coronavirus policy from behind a paywall in The Times? That Boris?

[Liam-]

‘People are going to die no matter what we do, it’s unavoidable!’
‘Why aren’t people listening to our advice about stopping people dying? I’m confused’

There has been no direct, straight action taken, he’s swayed every step of the way, he needs to lead from the front, not just leave it up to people’s discretion, thousands of lives are at stake and frankly, it seems like he couldn’t care less

[Kate!]

I think he does care. He has looked worried and harried all week. He is a human being at the end of the day. Much rather have him than Theresa May for example.

[Kazanne]

Cummings, his chief advisor, today quoted in the Sunday Times (tory establishment) talking aout how he was willing to sacrifice old people for the economy.

Amazing what a posh accent and a tv pedestal does to the population.

That has been denied by Downing Street so who to believe a newspaper or a political correspondent :shrug: depends on your political leaning I suppose.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/no-10-denies-claim-dominic-cummings-argued-to-let-old-people-die/ar-BB11xpk3

[Tom4784]

I don't trust the Tories and I never will. They've done good by guaranteeing people's wages but things wouldn't have gotten this bad if they acted earlier and Boris' callous approach of letting people die was probably one of the grossest political decisions I've seen in my lifetime.

Safeguarding people's finances was a good start but I wouldn't attribute it to Boris, he seems to have some good people telling him what to do, at least.

[Kazanne]

I think he does care. He has looked worried and harried all week. He is a human being at the end of the day. Much rather have him than Theresa May for example.

Of course he cares Kate, afterall he is not immune from it or his pregnant girlfriend and look how they have pulled out all the stops,people that don't like him will never give him any credit.

[The Slim Reaper]

That has been denied by Downing Street so who to believe a newspaper or a political correspondent :shrug: depends on your political leaning I suppose.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/no-10-denies-claim-dominic-cummings-argued-to-let-old-people-die/ar-BB11xpk3

Sunday Times is a tory newspaper with very good sources. Of course downing street denied it. Unfortunately for them it aligns perfectly with Johnsons "let it spread through the population" approach which he only moved away from in the last few days.

[MTVN]

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.

[Tom4784]

That has been denied by Downing Street so who to believe a newspaper or a political correspondent :shrug: depends on your political leaning I suppose.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/no-10-denies-claim-dominic-cummings-argued-to-let-old-people-die/ar-BB11xpk3


I'd be more likely to believe a newspaper with a good track record then the accused issuing a denial, tbh.

[Kate!]

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.

A good post. I would not like to be in Boris's shoes. To reiterate...I doubt May would have been as compassionate.

[The Slim Reaper]

Of course he cares Kate, afterall he is not immune from it or his pregnant girlfriend and look how they have pulled out all the stops,people that don't like him will never give him any credit.

I'm not cheerleading for him to fail, I've just seen the way this has been handled. We're in for a rude awakening in this country in a few weeks time. I have loved ones that rely on getting this right. I couldn't give a sh1t about him personally, only what his actions could potentially cost us, and more selfishly, me.

[caprimint]

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.
:clap1:

Voice of reason as always

[bots]

i will support him and follow the advice given, if i think it's for the best. I don't offer a blanket support though. We can all make judgements from our arm chairs about what is right, what is wrong and if it was done in a timely manner etc. I think the strategy they are trying is to get the country on board with the choices rather than hammering them into submission, because that just won't work. For example, people want a lock down now ... they wouldn't have been so keen on that 2 weeks ago ... timing is critical in terms of effect and uptake

The biggest flag to me today was the medical officer preparing people for the fact that we are going to have a similar situation to italy, many are going to die. The effects on mental health at this point shouldn't be underestimated. The virus itself is but one aspect of the overall problem

[MTVN]

Having said that he did close my pub so bollocks to him

[Kazanne]

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.

:clap1::clap1:Well said ,so many people who think they know better than anyone else, it's so easy to blame those who are telling us what we should do ,how about everyone gets behind the powers that be and follow the advice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope, completely incompetent, the death toll from this will be terrifying due to his slow response and lack of action.

and you know this based on what experience?

Virology?

Crisis management?

Medical degree?

Being in Government?

Being a Civil servant

Working in the NHS?

[Smithy]

and you know this based on what experience?

Virology?

Crisis management?

Medical degree?

Being in Government?

Being a Civil servant

Working in the NHS?

Yes all of the above

[Kate!]

:clap1::clap1:Well said ,so many people who think they know better than anyone else, it's so easy to blame those who are telling us what we should do ,how about everyone gets behind the powers that be and follow the advice.

Indeed. We should all be bonding together and following Boris's governments and advisors plans.

[Cherie]

Him not acting quick enough and now his voter base is all gonna die like, hello, irony

such a disgusting thing to say, half the people that voted for him this time round were working Northerners

[caprimint]

Having said that he did close my pub so bollocks to him
:joker:

[Kazanne]

I'm not cheerleading for him to fail, I've just seen the way this has been handled. We're in for a rude awakening in this country in a few weeks time. I have loved ones that rely on getting this right. I couldn't give a sh1t about him personally, only what his actions could potentially cost us, and more selfishly, me.

But isn't it OUR actions putting people at risk,some will just NOT follow the advice as some are just ignorant morons.

[Smithy]

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.

In situations like this though, every HOUR counts and he’s left certain things for days longer than he should have, it’ll cost lives

[Crimson Dynamo]

Imagine if Corbyn had been in charge with Diane Abbott

it just is not worth thinking about

[Crimson Dynamo]

In situations like this though, every HOUR counts and he’s left certain things for days longer than he should have, it’ll cost lives

again

what are your credentials for these comments?

[Kate!]

But isn't it OUR actions putting people at risk,some will just NOT follow the advice as some are just ignorant morons.

Selfish ignorant morons.

[Cherie]

i will support him and follow the advice given, if i think it's for the best. I don't offer a blanket support though. We can all make judgements from our arm chairs about what is right, what is wrong and if it was done in a timely manner etc. I think the strategy they are trying is to get the country on board with the choices rather than hammering them into submission, because that just won't work. For example, people want a lock down now ... they wouldn't have been so keen on that 2 weeks ago ... timing is critical in terms of effect and uptake

The biggest flag to me today was the medical officer preparing people for the fact that we are going to have a similar situation to italy, many are going to die. The effects on mental health at this point shouldn't be underestimated. The virus itself is but one aspect of the overall problem

exactly, if they had locked down, people would have whined that they would have done it themselves and weren't given the opportunity, at least know we see at first hand how stupid people are, and it does look like they think if they are in the 'fresh air' that's fine and dandy

[reece(:]

:clap1::clap1:Well said ,so many people who think they know better than anyone else, it's so easy to blame those who are telling us what we should do ,how about everyone gets behind the powers that be and follow the advice.

They are not immune from criticism? Especially as other countries are taking stricter lockdown measures and seeing falls in corona figures so we should follow precedent. Dither and delay (his words!) will only cost us more lives.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes all of the above

dont you work in a call centre doing HR?

(newish job)?

[Cherie]

dont you work in a call centre doing HR?

(newish job)?

if he is still in a call centre, sitting side by side with someone that is nothing less than criminal, I hope you have advised your HR dept Smithy?

[Crimson Dynamo]

They are not immune from criticism? Especially as other countries are taking stricter lockdown measures and seeing falls in corona figures so we should follow precedent. Dither and delay (his words!) will only cost us more lives.

you are basing this on countries who got the virus before us so the data cant be compared until at least the end of the year

[Smithy]

again

what are your credentials for these comments?
Is there a particular reason you are only asking for my credentials as apposed to say Kazanne or MTVN or anyone else? :think:
dont you work in a call centre doing HR?

(newish job)?

Nope

[Tom4784]

Imagine if Corbyn had been in charge with Diane Abbott

it just is not worth thinking about

Tories often like to avoid thinking about their mistakes by diverting attention to a hypothetical situation involving Corbyn. He lost and is irrelevant, you're gonna need another diversion from your mistakes because you can't just keep blaming Corbyn.

You got what you wanted, shoulder the responsibility for it.

[Smithy]

I have never worked in HR or a call center

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tories often like to avoid thinking about their mistakes by diverting attention to a hypothetical situation involving Corbyn. He lost and is irrelevant, you're gonna need another diversion from your mistakes because you can't just keep blaming Corbyn.

You got what you wanted, shoulder the responsibility for it.

i did not vote fro Boris as you did, you have the wrong person

[Josy]

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.This post as usual from Matt pretty much nails my opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This post as usual from Matt pretty much nails my opinion.

and i think most of the UK...

[Kazanne]

They are not immune from criticism? Especially as other countries are taking stricter lockdown measures and seeing falls in corona figures so we should follow precedent. Dither and delay (his words!) will only cost us more lives.

We have our own advisors,we don't have to follow like sheep,besides ours hasn't peaked yet so once it has our numbers well may fall too,we don't know all there is to know about it so, no one knows how many lives will be lost,I think he is doing the right thing,I am sure we will get a lockdown if people cant do as they are asked,thier fault not his.

[Tom4784]

Is there a particular reason you are only asking for my credentials as apposed to say Kazanne or MTVN or anyone else? :think:

Because when LT is on the ropes, he scrambles for an out and he thinks that he can deny people the validity of their opinions by selectively deciding that they can't have an opinion unless they have a political science degree or are part of the cabinet.

Unless you're LT or someone he likes, then you're free to comment as you see fit.

[caprimint]

I don't really get why people blame Boris when he has repeated so many times that he is following science

[Kazanne]

I don't really get why people blame Boris when he has repeated so many times that he is following science

Someone has to take the blame Capri ,it surely can't be our fault:laugh:

[Smithy]

We have our own advisors,we don't have to follow like sheep,besides ours hasn't peaked yet so once it has our numbers well may fall too,we don't know all there is to know about it so, no one knows how many lives will be lost,I think he is doing the right thing,I am sure we will get a lockdown if people cant do as they are asked,thier fault not his.

No, no one knows but we have pretty good idea

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[Kate!]

I don't really get why people blame Boris when he has repeated so many times that he is following science

Exactly. He has both scientific and medical advisors behind him and is utilising them well.

[Smithy]

I don't really get why people blame Boris when he has repeated so many times that he is following science

Except up until last week he thought herd immunity was a good idea, so....

[Tom4784]

i did not vote fro Boris as you did, you have the wrong person

You claim to have voted for SNP which makes little sense because you're as Tory as it gets and SNP is pretty much Scotland's anti-Tory party. Either you're lying about voting for SNP or you're pretending to hold Tory views because you want to oppose people on the forum and if this was a mostly Tory forum, you'd present yourself as a hardcore Labour supporter instead.

[Tom4784]

I don't really get why people blame Boris when he has repeated so many times that he is following science

Because he's the leader of the country and mistakes made are his to claim responsibility for, well, his and his voters that put the Tory party in a position of power.

[hijaxers]

Except up until last week he thought herd immunity was a good idea, so....

Well the herd heading up Snowdon today, and herd heading to the cornwall beaches are completely insane as are all those 'outside gym ' people.

Totally selfish bastards !

[Smithy]

Because when LT is on the ropes, he scrambles for an out and he thinks that he can deny people the validity of their opinions by selectively deciding that they can't have an opinion unless they have a political science degree or are part of the cabinet.

Unless you're LT or someone he likes, then you're free to comment as you see fit.

Ahh I see @mods @admin, borderline bullying tbqh, can this be sorted

[Kate!]

Well the herd heading up Snowdon today, and herd heading to the cornwall beaches are completely insane as are all those 'outside gym ' people.

Totally selfish bastards !

Yes the ignorance is breathtaking.

[rusticgal]

I support him...but he is too trusting. He has given this message last week in hope that people will be responsible and grown up about it...sadly there are many that are not taking it seriously. Tonight he gave another chance for people to adhere to his advice...but that may not be enough and the virus will continue to spread because of irresponsible, selfish people.
If these requests are still being ignored by Tuesday I hope he puts the entire country in Lockdown....

[The Slim Reaper]

Give it a watch.

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[bots]

I support him...but he is too trusting. He has given this message last week in hope that people will be responsible and grown up about it...sadly there are many that are not taking it seriously. Tonight he gave another chance for people to adhere to his advice...but that may not be enough and the virus will continue to spread because of irresponsible, selfish people.
If these requests are still being ignored by Tuesday I hope he puts the entire country in Lockdown....

lockdown will happen if people still disregard the advice, i think it will happen in the next couple of days

[Kate!]

I support him...but he is too trusting. He has given this message last week in hope that people will be responsible and grown up about it...sadly there are many that are not taking it seriously. Tonight he gave another chance for people to adhere to his advice...but that may not be enough and the virus will continue to spread because of irresponsible, selfish people.
If these requests are still being ignored by Tuesday I hope he puts the entire country in Lockdown....

I agree. Its time for Lockdown. People are blatantly ignoring what he says. Businesses and individuals. Its infuriating for someone like myself who is respecting his advice and adhering to it strictly to see others flaunting it.

[Kazanne]

I support him...but he is too trusting. He has given this message last week in hope that people will be responsible and grown up about it...sadly there are many that are not taking it seriously. Tonight he gave another chance for people to adhere to his advice...but that may not be enough and the virus will continue to spread because of irresponsible, selfish people.
If these requests are still being ignored by Tuesday I hope he puts the entire country in Lockdown....

Nice post rusti,that's how I see him and when we go in lockdown the thick sods will be throwing their dummies out of the pram again.

[Kate!]

Nice post rusti,that's how I see him and when we go in lockdown the thick sods will be throwing their dummies out of the pram again.

Cos they like going to t'pub innit.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You claim to have voted for SNP which makes little sense because you're as Tory as it gets and SNP is pretty much Scotland's anti-Tory party. Either you're lying about voting for SNP or you're pretending to hold Tory views because you want to oppose people on the forum and if this was a mostly Tory forum, you'd present yourself as a hardcore Labour supporter instead.

whatever makes you feel better i guess, it must be difficult for those who who are extreme on the left to support a moderate party who are currently doing things for the best of the UK and not for political points?

but that is where we are and our government needs ALL our support in this crisis

[Crimson Dynamo]

Except up until last week he thought herd immunity was a good idea, so....

no you are not correct stop spreading mistruths

[Cherie]

even if we do lock down this is what we have to look forward to

After days of noncompliance by people refusing to stay home and venture out only for essential tasks, France on Friday sent security forces into train stations to prevent people from traveling to their vacation homes, potentially carrying the virus to the countryside or beaches where medical facilities are less robust. The popular Paris walkway along the Seine River was closed and a nightly curfew was imposed in the French Mediterranean city of Nice by Mayor Christian Estrosi, who is infected with the virus.
Florida officials closed some of the state’s most popular beaches after images of rowdy spring break college crowds appeared on TV for days amid the rising global death toll, which surpassed 13,000 on Sunday. Australia closed Sydney’s famous Bondi Beach after police were outraged at pictures of the crowds.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday that people from 18-to-49 account for more than half of the state’s coronavirus cases, warning them “you’re not Superman, and you’re not Superwoman.”
Many people were not complying with social distancing recommendations to stay away from each other in New York City’s vast city park network ahead of a ban on congregating in groups that goes into effect Sunday night, Cuomo said.
“You can wind up hurting someone who you love, or hurting someone wholly inadvertently. Social distancing works, and you need social distancing everywhere,” Cuomo warned.

[Crimson Dynamo]

even if we do lock down this is what we have to look forward to

After days of noncompliance by people refusing to stay home and venture out only for essential tasks, France on Friday sent security forces into train stations to prevent people from traveling to their vacation homes, potentially carrying the virus to the countryside or beaches where medical facilities are less robust. The popular Paris walkway along the Seine River was closed and a nightly curfew was imposed in the French Mediterranean city of Nice by Mayor Christian Estrosi, who is infected with the virus.
Florida officials closed some of the state’s most popular beaches after images of rowdy spring break college crowds appeared on TV for days amid the rising global death toll, which surpassed 13,000 on Sunday. Australia closed Sydney’s famous Bondi Beach after police were outraged at pictures of the crowds.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday that people from 18-to-49 account for more than half of the state’s coronavirus cases, warning them “you’re not Superman, and you’re not Superwoman.”
Many people were not complying with social distancing recommendations to stay away from each other in New York City’s vast city park network ahead of a ban on congregating in groups that goes into effect Sunday night, Cuomo said.
“You can wind up hurting someone who you love, or hurting someone wholly inadvertently. Social distancing works, and you need social distancing everywhere,” Cuomo warned.
“You can wind up hurting someone who you love, or hurting someone wholly inadvertently. Social distancing works, and you need social distancing everywhere,” Cuomo warned.

and what is his science he is using?


the answer is NONE, based on covid 19

he is abusing science to justify his measure and that is vile

[Kate!]

“You can wind up hurting someone who you love, or hurting someone wholly inadvertently. Social distancing works, and you need social distancing everywhere,” Cuomo warned.

and what is his science he is using?


the answer is NONE, based on covid 19

he is abusing science to justify his measure and that is vile

In regards to that quote he is talking common sense. Science does not come into it.

[Elliot]

Except up until last week he thought herd immunity was a good idea, so....

Yeah Idk kinda hard to extend any sort of sympathy or support to him after that

[Cherie]

In regards to that quote he is talking common sense. Science does not come into it.

I would have thought so too :shrug:

[Kazanne]

Cos they like going to t'pub innit.

That's about it Kate :wavey:

[Kizzy]

It will come as no surprise that no I don't think boris has been consistent or genuine in his responses to the threat facing the country, he suggested 250,000 tests would be carried out ..when his medical expert responded he quoted the actual figure was 25,000.

He gave credence to some pseudoscience as in the antibody tests... these do not yet exist which makes the man no better than a snake oil salesman!
Giving false hope to all.

We all know he and his ilk would love nothing more than th run with herd immunity and sacrifice 1000s. ..but he knows that goes against experts the world over and he would never get away with his ' for the greater good' machinations.

He wanted us all to sacrifice our loved ones ..for what? Why?

This had so easily been forgotten already, people are too scared, bamboozled or overloaded with information to see the rapid 180 he made on this, the suggestion alone should be unforgivable... but no, once again the Wolf in sheep's clothing manages to pull the wool over eyes and ears.

[Kizzy]

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.

No ...no slack! There is a right course of action! Every country has contingency plans for pandemics.
Again our band of bozos plough ahead stubbornly going against every expert and health advisory body in the world. Boris has and will have more blood on his hands for his inaction.
No commentators are smug... what a blasé term. He has to be held accountable, the sycophantic poor boris was just doing his best is pathetic and wrong.
He was trying to sacrifice the vulnerable against all advice that this would be tantamount to a massacre. .end of story.

[The Slim Reaper]

I doubt these reprobates have the required knowledge to appease everyone, but still...

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[MTVN]

No ...no slack! There is a right course of action! Every country has contingency plans for pandemics.
Again our band of bozos plough ahead stubbornly going against every expert and health advisory body in the world. Boris has and will have more blood on his hands for his inaction.
No commentators are smug... what a blasé term. He has to be held accountable, the sycophantic poor boris was just doing his best is pathetic and wrong.
He was trying to sacrifice the vulnerable against all advice that this would be tantamount to a massacre. .end of story.

'Every expert'? Really? I don't know why people seem to think we have uniquely mishandled this given that all of western Europe are showing very similar paths. I bet every other country are lamenting their own leaders incompetence as well right now

You accuse me of being blase and then in the space of a few sentences you refer to our leading epidemiological experts as 'bozos', you talk about 'blood on hands', 'sacrificing' people and committing a 'massacre'

Maybe check your own language and ask if that's appropriate in a crisis like this

[Kizzy]

'Every expert'? Really? I don't know why people seem to think we have uniquely mishandled this given that all of western Europe are showing very similar paths. I bet every other country are lamenting their own leaders incompetence as well right now

You accuse me of being blase and then in the space of a few sentences you refer to our leading epidemiological experts as 'bozos', you talk about 'blood on hands', 'sacrificing' people and committing a 'massacre'

Maybe check your own language and ask if that's appropriate in a crisis like this
Yes..the WORLD health organisation. The clue is in the name.

I'm not the one making predictions on how commentators will report on him am I? you are....
I know what he's done and how wrong it was no other country has advocated herd immunity, which one of his 'experts' advocated that? ... do you know?

I'm very clear on whats appropriate. .. like not suggesting people can be screened for antibodies when there is no workable screening available for this virus.

[Tom4784]

whatever makes you feel better i guess, it must be difficult for those who who are extreme on the left to support a moderate party who are currently doing things for the best of the UK and not for political points?

but that is where we are and our government needs ALL our support in this crisis

Yeah, we're all in this together and you're not AT ALL motivated by political point scoring when you responded to Smithy's criticism of Boris not acting fast enough by basically saying he can't have that opinion unless he has 'credentials' (Read: An opinion you like) just because he criticised your precious Boris.

The holier-than-thou act doesn't work when you're being incredibly hypocritical and don't be predictable by going into Helen Lovejoy mode because that's not going to work either.

[MTVN]

Yes..the WORLD health organisation. The clue is in the name.

I'm not the one making predictions on how commentators will report on him am I? you are....
I know what he's done and how wrong it was no other country has advocated herd immunity, which one of his 'experts' advocated that? ... do you know?

I'm very clear on whats appropriate. .. like not suggesting people can be screened for antibodies when there is no workable screening available for this virus.

No other country? This is the Dutch PM Mark Rutte a few days ago. They have been very close to the UK in their response

The reality is that the coronavirus is among us and will remain among us for the time being. There is no easy or quick way out of this very difficult situation. The reality is that in the near future a large part of the Dutch population will be infected with the virus.

That is what the experts are telling us now. And what they also tell us is that, pending a vaccine or medicine, we can slow down the spread of the virus while at the same time building group immunity in a controlled way

I have to explain that.

Those who have had the virus are usually immune afterwards. Just like in the old days with measles. The larger the group that is immune, the less chance that the virus will jump to vulnerable elderly people and people with poor health. With group immunity you build, as it were, a protective wall around them.

That is the principle. But we have to realize that it can take months or even longer to build up group immunity and during that time we need to shield people who are at greater risk as much as possible.

All in all, there are three possible scenarios. The first scenario is: maximally controlling the virus. This leads to controlled distribution among groups that are least at risk.

That is our scenario of choice. Maximum control means that we try to use measures to level off and smooth the peak in the number of infections and spread it over a longer period.

With this approach in which most people will only get minor complaints, we build immunity and ensure that the healthcare system can handle it. With the aim that nursing homes, in-home care, hospitals, and especially intensive care units are not overloaded. So that there is always sufficient capacity to help the people who are most vulnerable.
Full speech: https://order-order.com/2020/03/17/prime-minister-mark-ruttes-address-dutch-people-english-full-text/

It's the CMO Chris Whitty who used the term herd immunity in one of the press briefings. As far as I am aware Boris has never used the term himself - happy to be corrected. The PM has done nothing that has not been advised by the most qualified scientists in this country - they are not 'bozos'

Edit - sorry it was Sir Patrick Vallance the CSO who used the term

[Twosugars]

https://i.imgur.com/Qznu49J.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

In regards to that quote he is talking common sense. Science does not come into it.

Based on what?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I doubt these reprobates have the required knowledge to appease everyone, but still...

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And if when they make policy decisions for millions and not medical for individuas tweet that

:skull:😷

[Kate!]

Based on what?

Based on common sense. Like I said. :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

And if when they make policy decisions for millions and not medical for individuas tweet that

:skull:😷

:joker:

Now not only do they need scientific/medical experience, they need to be making policy decisions for millions?

You're turning into a parody of yourself now.

[Tom4784]

Pretty much everyone called bull**** on the immunity plan as soon as he said it, it's why he backpedalled so quickly.

The only thing that Boris has done right is make sure that people will be protected and provided for and that seems mostly down to Rishi Sunak. They've gone above and beyond in that regard but Boris' delayed response and his apparent disregard for human life will cause damage that could have been avoided.

I think we should have followed Ireland's example, I predict they'll be far less affected by the virus then we will be because they took action early.

Look at South Korea, like with the rest of Asia, they were hit hard but their quick and stringent response has turned the tide. They're due another wave, apparently, but they seem more prepared for it than most countries.

[Beso]

I back Boris.

Anyone who doesn't should go out and protest, im surprised they ain't. The brains of them.

Im probably as surprised as the moaning people are that he hasn't downrigtt ruled marshal law on us...only they are all probably asleep unable to slag him off in this desperate time...some of them may be travelling back to England after a days ski ing in aviemore..

[user104658]

We should also remember that the only reason huge financial steps have been taken to support people, is that the economic damage of doing that is less than the economic damage of allowing huge swathes of the working and middle classes to go bankrupt. It's a move to protect the economy, not a humanitarian move. That doesn't make it a bad thing of course but its important to keep motivations firmly in mind.

[user104658]

Same with the efforts to support businesses big and small: better for the economy to ensure that people have jobs to return to, than to deal with mass unemployment in 6 months.

[Beso]

He has backed the people.

We have let him down, we saw it as a telling off..we went nah nah nah..it's our fault, not his.

[caprimint]

He has backed the people.

We have let him down, we saw it as a telling off..we went nah nah nah..it's our fault, not his.
:clap1: Absolutely right

[Marsh.]

Boris loves people who stay on their knees cleaning up the slop and blame themselves.

[Beso]

Boris loves people who stay on their knees cleaning up the slop and blame themselves.



I'm sure your knighthood is in the post after all this is over. :blush:

[Twosugars]

Let's not forget that so far the self employed have been left behind.
I expect the chancellor will have to make another announcement about helping them.

Economic help is a no brainer and not some sign of generosity. Otherwise there would be not much left from the economy after this is over.

[Twosugars]

You claim to have voted for SNP which makes little sense because you're as Tory as it gets and SNP is pretty much Scotland's anti-Tory party. Either you're lying about voting for SNP or you're pretending to hold Tory views because you want to oppose people on the forum and if this was a mostly Tory forum, you'd present yourself as a hardcore Labour supporter instead.

:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:

Now not only do they need scientific/medical experience, they need to be making policy decisions for millions?

You're turning into a parody of yourself now.

Insult and laugh..

You have nothing but scorn

And in a time of crisis, I hope members have long memories

[Crimson Dynamo]

He has backed the people.

We have let him down, we saw it as a telling off..we went nah nah nah..it's our fault, not his.

Quite right Parmy

[Twosugars]

Insult and laugh..

You have nothing but scorn

And in a time of crisis, I hope members have long memories

For your tired "debating" tactics they need short memories bc you use it all the time :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

For your tired "debating" tactics they need short memories bc you use it all the time :laugh:

That doesn't even make it sense?

[Marsh.]

Insult and laugh..

Oh come on don't be a hypocrite. We all insult and laugh.

It's fun.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh come on don't be a hypocrite. We all insult and laugh.

It's fun.

You just had a 2 day ban?

[Marsh.]

You just had a 2 day ban?

And?