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arista
04-04-2020, 09:04 AM
SkyNewsHD is live now
with Adam Boulton.
https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-set-to-replace-jeremy-corbyn-as-labour-party-leader-11968330

Matt Frei is Live on LBC Radio.



Expected to be the Rich North London
Sir Keir to win this.

Liam-
04-04-2020, 09:18 AM
Come on Keir

Samm
04-04-2020, 09:52 AM
Kier new leader

Angela is new deputy

arista
04-04-2020, 09:53 AM
Come on Keir


You got your Wish

A Clear Win

Liam-
04-04-2020, 09:56 AM
Kier new leader

Angela is new deputy

Perfection

Samm
04-04-2020, 09:57 AM
queen angela i'm so pleased, would of loved her as leader but deputy is just fine

arista
04-04-2020, 10:01 AM
Johnson PM has stated he will not invite the
New Labour Leader into his Cobra meetings

Denver
04-04-2020, 10:02 AM
So the party that claims to be for everyone still doesnt treat women as equals

Liam-
04-04-2020, 10:06 AM
So the party that claims to be for everyone still doesnt treat women as equals

Identity politics is killing politics around the western world, we need the best person for the job, not the best person as long as they’re x, y and z.

Denver
04-04-2020, 10:07 AM
The best person was Lisa Nandy but she was paid dust due to her gender

Oliver_W
04-04-2020, 10:13 AM
So the party that claims to be for everyone still doesnt treat women as equals

They were treated as equals, they were up for the vote just like Sir Kier. How else could they have been treated equally - with special treatment, like an all woman shortlist?

arista
04-04-2020, 10:14 AM
So the party that claims to be for everyone still doesn't treat women as equals

They were not good enough

The Slim Reaper
04-04-2020, 10:18 AM
They were treated as equals, they were up for the vote just like Sir Kier. How else could they have been treated equally - with special treatment, like an all woman shortlist?

We don't agree on much, but I agree here. Didn't particularly want Starmer, but if the recent events have taught us anything, it's that tory rule is dangerous, and he's probably the best chance of ending that in the short term.

Livia
04-04-2020, 11:26 AM
Another privileged white male leads Labour.

Same old, same old...

user104658
04-04-2020, 11:47 AM
Another privileged white male leads Labour.

Same old, same old...It's a good thing Boris is a black woman from the University of Life, to balance things out.

The Slim Reaper
04-04-2020, 12:09 PM
Murdoch gonna Murdoch

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUweGHGWAAcDNmD?format=jpg&name=medium

Swan
04-04-2020, 12:17 PM
Lol brilliant.

The Slim Reaper
04-04-2020, 12:25 PM
Lol brilliant.

What is?

Swan
04-04-2020, 12:54 PM
What is?

The irony.

Oliver_W
04-04-2020, 03:32 PM
Identity politics is killing politics around the western world, we need the best person for the job, not the best person as long as they’re x, y and z.

If anything, giving someone something because of their surface level traits isn't equality, but infantilising.

The Slim Reaper
04-04-2020, 03:33 PM
The irony.

Where?

Oliver_W
04-04-2020, 03:37 PM
The irony.

I didn't realise Murdoch personally wrote every article :eek:

Crimson Dynamo
04-04-2020, 03:54 PM
Millionaire, Sir from the Monarchy, member of a private club, reads the Telegraph :amazed:


:hehe:

LaLaLand
04-04-2020, 03:59 PM
I’m more pleased at Angela rising in the ranks because she’s brilliant.

Cal.
04-04-2020, 04:57 PM
Angela being deputy :love:

I adore her

MTVN
04-04-2020, 05:08 PM
RIP Corbynism

arista
04-04-2020, 06:32 PM
I’m more pleased at Angela rising in the ranks because she’s brilliant.


She is Recovering
from Covid 19
at her home

Kizzy
04-04-2020, 08:56 PM
Reserving judgement.

arista
05-04-2020, 06:32 AM
1246674986368143362

arista
05-04-2020, 08:06 AM
Angela was Live Now on SkyNewsHD ridge

Web Cam
She looks well ill.

Cherie
05-04-2020, 09:16 AM
Very impressive on Marr, talked sense and likeable

arista
05-04-2020, 09:19 AM
Very impressive on Marr, talked sense and likeable


Yes
but he has to take control of the Corbyn bunch, though.

arista
05-04-2020, 09:40 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUxe0HhWkAALixm?format=jpg&name=small

Samm
05-04-2020, 10:34 AM
Labour's biggest problem is Brexit, once the coronavirus starts to decline, that should be first on the agenda for Kier, he needs to make it clear that Labour will honor it and go forward. Never and still not keen on Brexit, but it's happening.

Liam-
05-04-2020, 10:57 AM
Labour's biggest problem is Brexit, once the coronavirus starts to decline, that should be first on the agenda for Kier, he needs to make it clear that Labour will honor it and go forward. Never and still not keen on Brexit, but it's happening.

100% it can’t be an argument anymore

arista
05-04-2020, 10:59 AM
Labour's biggest problem is Brexit, once the coronavirus starts to decline, that should be first on the agenda for Kier, he needs to make it clear that Labour will honor it and go forward. Never and still not keen on Brexit, but it's happening.


Yes he said as much on Marr BBC1HD

Livia
05-04-2020, 04:02 PM
It's a good thing Boris is a black woman from the University of Life, to balance things out.

The Tory party has had two women lead it. One decades back.

So it's good to see Sir Keir take his place at the head of his party. Maybe now he will remember his Jewish connections? Because he forgot them for a while there...

The Slim Reaper
05-04-2020, 04:22 PM
RIP Corbynism

Corbynism doesn't exist, it's socialism. Good luck saying RIP socialism as the government are embarking in massive state intervention, and even the right wing press are invoking Corbyn's ideas for what a post CV economy will need.

Even the FT editorial board are writing pro socialism articles.

arista
05-04-2020, 05:24 PM
[Sir Keir Starmer appointed Lisa Nandy MP
shadow foreign secretary

Anneliese Dodds MP, one of Labour's
current Treasury team and a former MEP,
will take over from John McDonnell
as shadow chancellor.]

[Other key roles were also handed out to
Nick Thomas-Symonds MP,
who steps up from a shadow home office minister]

[Jon Ashworth MP is so far the only person to hold onto their job]

https://news.sky.com/story/new-labour-leader-keir-starmer-overhauls-shadow-cabinet-11968878

Samm
05-04-2020, 05:44 PM
Pretty good choices, I know Lisa Nandy is quite keen on brexit, so hopefully that’s a sign of stepping into the right direction

Samm
05-04-2020, 05:47 PM
The Tory party has had two women lead it. One decades back

Real shame one of them was a massive neoliberal and atrocious leader, who hated the poor and wanted to wipe the poor off the map eh? along with stripping back the rights of homosexual people.

The Slim Reaper
05-04-2020, 05:49 PM
Real shame one of them was a massive neoliberal and atrocious leader, who hated the poor and wanted to wipe the poor off the map eh? along with stripping back the rights of homosexual people.

...and the other was Thatcher! :smug:

Samm
05-04-2020, 05:56 PM
...and the other was Thatcher! :smug:

:laugh:

Beso
05-04-2020, 06:01 PM
He's already made a massive gaff.

bots
05-04-2020, 06:04 PM
i thought he behaved like an idiot during the brexit fiasco so my expectations are not high

The Slim Reaper
05-04-2020, 06:06 PM
i thought he behaved like an idiot during the brexit fiasco so my expectations are not high

Still pretending you're equally dismissive of politicians from all parties?

arista
06-04-2020, 06:26 AM
Also appointed Rachel Reeves MP

bots
06-04-2020, 07:27 AM
Still pretending you're equally dismissive of politicians from all parties?

i didn't vote for anyone in the general election and i am on record in this very forum criticising boris when i felt it was appropriate to do so, so i think that makes me tied to no party and capable of having my own political views not aligned with party politics. Before you feel like attacking me again, can you say the same?

Cherie
06-04-2020, 07:56 AM
He's already made a massive gaff.

what's that?

user104658
06-04-2020, 08:22 AM
The Tory party has had two women lead it. One decades back.


Theresa May, they ALLOWED to take over from Cameron because they knew the position was ultimately doomed; if you'll cast your mind back, no one in the boy's club wanted to be PM in 2016 and it was basically handed to May like a lamb to the slaughter, for her to inevitablty fail, leave literally crying, and have someone who vocally didn't want the position in 2016 swoop in and take it once the initial Brexit flak had been absorbed. So progressive.

Thatcher wasn't even biologically human.

Samm
06-04-2020, 09:04 AM
Theresa May, they ALLOWED to take over from Cameron because they knew the position was ultimately doomed; if you'll cast your mind back, no one in the boy's club wanted to be PM in 2016 and it was basically handed to May like a lamb to the slaughter, for her to inevitablty fail, leave literally crying, and have someone who vocally didn't want the position in 2016 swoop in and take it once the initial Brexit flak had been absorbed. So progressive.

Thatcher wasn't even biologically human.

exactly that

The Slim Reaper
06-04-2020, 10:32 AM
i didn't vote for anyone in the general election and i am on record in this very forum criticising boris when i felt it was appropriate to do so, so i think that makes me tied to no party and capable of having my own political views not aligned with party politics. Before you feel like attacking me again, can you say the same?

I know you say you're critical of both parties, but that's not really the case is it? I don't have a problem with you going after labour politicians/policies either, because we all feel how we feel, just don't pretend to swim down the middle. I asked you a question, I didn't "attack" you.

Oliver_W
06-04-2020, 12:53 PM
This is random but I wonder if Dawn Butler's position will remain. As far as I know, (Shadow/) Minister for Women or whatever is usually tied in with another (Shadow/) Ministerial role. It smells of tokenism that she was given the sole title, after resigning from the token role of Shadow Minister for Diverse Communities, which as far as I know doesn't even have a real counterpart.

bots
06-04-2020, 01:17 PM
This is random but I wonder if Dawn Butler's position will remain. As far as I know, (Shadow/) Minister for Women or whatever is usually tied in with another (Shadow/) Ministerial role. It smells of tokenism that she was given the sole title, after resigning from the token role of Shadow Minister for Diverse Communities, which as far as I know doesn't even have a real counterpart.

yeah, it's in the name ... shadow .... they are supposed to shadow someone from the government and keep them on their toes

bots
06-04-2020, 01:20 PM
I know you say you're critical of both parties, but that's not really the case is it? I don't have a problem with you going after labour politicians/policies either, because we all feel how we feel, just don't pretend to swim down the middle. I asked you a question, I didn't "attack" you.

i never claimed to swim down the middle, i just don't have any affiliation with any of the current parties. I dislike them all intensely for different reasons.

What is the middle, it means nothing in relation to ones own politics if one has no affiliation, they are what they are

Oliver_W
06-04-2020, 01:32 PM
yeah, it's in the name ... shadow .... they are supposed to shadow someone from the government and keep them on their toes

Honestly I don't even care that the roles didn't have a singular counterpart, I'm all for having some to stand up for women and minorities from across the benches. But giving it to Butler and not someone stronger makes it feel disingenuous.

arista
06-04-2020, 01:39 PM
Ed Miliband returns to the Front bench
Shadow Business

SkyNewsHD


Rebecca Long Bailey becomes Shadow Education

David Lammy - Shadow Justice

Emily Thornberry - International Business

Lord Falconer Attorney General

Oliver_W
06-04-2020, 01:57 PM
RBL was always going to have a role, I'm happy for it to be education.

Di-Man Abbott for Justice? God no.

Kizzy
06-04-2020, 02:23 PM
Hmm not a fan of Thornberry or reeves tbh.

Oliver_W
06-04-2020, 03:18 PM
Dawn Butler has been replaced by Marsha de Cordova!

I wonder if the BBC will notice the change (https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/04/marsha-de-cordova-feels-invisible-bbc-mistake-another-black-mp-12181987/):joker:

reece(:
06-04-2020, 04:19 PM
The shadow cabinet in full

• Keir Starmer, leader of the opposition.
• Angela Rayner, deputy leader and chair of the Labour party.
• Anneliese Dodds, shadow chancellor of the exchequer.
• Lisa Nandy, shadow foreign secretary.
• Nick Thomas-Symonds, shadow home secretary.
• Rachel Reeves, shadow chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.
• David Lammy, shadow justice secretary.
• John Healey, shadow defence secretary.
• Ed Miliband, shadow business, energy and industrial secretary.
• Emily Thornberry, shadow international trade secretary.
• Jonathan Reynolds, shadow work and pensions secretary.
• Jonathan Ashworth, shadow secretary of state for health and social care.
• Rebecca Long-Bailey, shadow education secretary.
• Jo Stevens, shadow digital, culture, media and sport.
• Bridget Philipson, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury.
• Luke Pollard, shadow environment, food and rural affairs secretary.
• Steve Reed, shadow communities and local government secretary.
• Thangam Debbonaire, shadow housing secretary.
• Jim McMahon, shadow transport secretary.
• Preet Kaur Gill, shadow international development secretary.
• Louise Haigh, shadow Northern Ireland secretary (interim while Tony Lloyd is in hospital being treated for coronavirus).
• Ian Murray, shadow Scotland secretary.
• Nia Griffith, shadow Wales secretary.
• Marsha de Cordova, shadow women and equalities secretary.
• Andy McDonald, shadow employment rights and protections secretary.
• Rosena Allin-Khan, shadow minister for mental health.
• Cat Smith, shadow minister for young people and voter engagement.
• Lord Falconer, shadow attorney general.
• Valerie Vaz, shadow leader of the house.
• Nick Brown, opposition chief whip.
• Baroness Smith, shadow leader of the Lords.
• Lord McAvoy, Lords’ Opposition chief whip.

Good lineup imo.

Liam-
06-04-2020, 04:23 PM
He’s got himself a decent mix

arista
06-04-2020, 04:27 PM
Thanks
Slick Reece
for posting the mega list

Livia
07-04-2020, 09:42 AM
Theresa May, they ALLOWED to take over from Cameron because they knew the position was ultimately doomed; if you'll cast your mind back, no one in the boy's club wanted to be PM in 2016 and it was basically handed to May like a lamb to the slaughter, for her to inevitablty fail, leave literally crying, and have someone who vocally didn't want the position in 2016 swoop in and take it once the initial Brexit flak had been absorbed. So progressive.

Thatcher wasn't even biologically human.

And all the men who have lead Labour have been exemplary.

arista
07-04-2020, 12:15 PM
Dawn Butler has been replaced by Marsha de Cordova!

I wonder if the BBC will notice the change (https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/04/marsha-de-cordova-feels-invisible-bbc-mistake-another-black-mp-12181987/):joker:


Poor Dawn.

Denver
07-04-2020, 12:25 PM
And all the men who have lead Labour have been exemplary.

Theresa May never stood a chance, once woman but no backbone and was easily persuaded into things , Andrea Ledsom would have been a stronger leader although I'm not a fan

user104658
07-04-2020, 12:41 PM
Theresa May never stood a chance, once woman but no backbone and was easily persuaded into things , Andrea Ledsom would have been a stronger leader although I'm not a fanI think she learned in the first half of 2019 that it was a horrible mistake to take the job on. The wolves came for her.

Swan
08-04-2020, 12:01 PM
Rebecca Long-Bailey seemed a lot more worthy candidate imo. But the 'sis white privileged rich male' prevails, naturally. Good ol' Labour!

Oliver_W
08-04-2020, 12:50 PM
Why are we suddenly racially profiling people and judging them by their gender?

Swan
08-04-2020, 01:18 PM
Why are we suddenly racially profiling people and judging them by their gender?

Because the hard left do it all the time, so it's kinda ironic that their 'worst enemy' (sis white male) is now their new leader. But then Labour is a joke and has been for many years now.

user104658
08-04-2020, 01:46 PM
Because the hard left do it all the time, so it's kinda ironic that their 'worst enemy' (sis white male) is now their new leader. But then Labour is a joke and has been for many years now.It's so weird having a cis white male leading the Labour party after Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband (Jewish, to be fair) and Jez Corbyn.

Totally unheard of.

Oliver_W
08-04-2020, 01:55 PM
Because the hard left do it all the time, so it's kinda ironic that their 'worst enemy' (sis white male) is now their new leader. But then Labour is a joke and has been for many years now.

The hard anything in politics are just stupid, and also a very-vocal very-minority.

Swan
08-04-2020, 02:11 PM
It's so weird having a cis white male leading the Labour party after Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband (Jewish, to be fair) and Jez Corbyn.

Totally unheard of.

Blair did well, but the later 3 where/are an absolute joke.

No one said it was unheard of, just that it's all kinda ironic.

bots
08-04-2020, 02:15 PM
Starmer was the favourite to win by a mile, it's not like people weren't given a choice

user104658
08-04-2020, 02:17 PM
Blair did well, but the later 3 where/are an absolute joke.



No one said it was unheard of, just that it's all kinda ironic.It's just a sad reality that white male privilege means there are a much larger number of white men in positions of power. It's not really ironic... It's built into every aspect of society.

Swan
08-04-2020, 03:02 PM
It's just a sad reality that white male privilege means there are a much larger number of white men in positions of power. It's not really ironic... It's built into every aspect of society.

Well it is ironic because Labour supporters (gotta be half) are fighting against this kinda social structure. Also, a multi millionaire 'sir' cannot possibly identify with the plights of the working class, the poor, the struggling, the people living paycheck to paycheck.

Rebecca Long-Bailey was the much better option imo.

Kizzy
08-04-2020, 03:15 PM
Well it is ironic because Labour supporters (gotta be half) are fighting against this kinda social structure. Also, a multi millionaire 'sir' cannot possibly identify with the plights of the working class, the poor, the struggling, the people living paycheck to paycheck.

Rebecca Long-Bailey was the much better option imo.

He might not identify but he can and does sympathise and have the intelligence to understand how he could as leader work to improve life chances in the UK by lifting people out of poverty.
Personally I would've preferred RLB too, but she was painted as far too corbynesque :/

user104658
08-04-2020, 03:27 PM
Well it is ironic because Labour supporters (gotta be half) are fighting against this kinda social structure. Also, a multi millionaire 'sir' cannot possibly identify with the plights of the working class, the poor, the struggling, the people living paycheck to paycheck.



Rebecca Long-Bailey was the much better option imo.

If you're an idealist, sure. But those people won't get elected; we're not there yet. Under the tories we won't ever be there. So Labour supporters have to accept "status quo leadership" in a Tory-alternative that has a chance of being elected, in order to implement the basic changes that are needed to change that social structure.

You can't try to grab everything at once because the support isn't there until the groundwork has been put in. Labour needs an electable leader before they can get to work on their more ambitious policies.

I'm not a Labourite by the way, I fundamentally disagreed with many of Corbyn's more out-there policy dreams, and the policies of many of the Labour candidates.

I have no interest in a full shift to socialism but the UK (the whole world) is going to need a socialist "shunt" over the next few years... The Tories are making some encouraging noises but I don't trust them to follow through. The UK may well need "sensible Labour" quite soon.

Swan
08-04-2020, 05:31 PM
He might not identify but he can and does sympathise and have the intelligence to understand how he could as leader work to improve life chances in the UK by lifting people out of poverty.
Personally I would've preferred RLB too, but she was painted as far too corbynesque :/

If you're an idealist, sure. But those people won't get elected; we're not there yet. Under the tories we won't ever be there. So Labour supporters have to accept "status quo leadership" in a Tory-alternative that has a chance of being elected, in order to implement the basic changes that are needed to change that social structure.

You can't try to grab everything at once because the support isn't there until the groundwork has been put in. Labour needs an electable leader before they can get to work on their more ambitious policies.

I'm not a Labourite by the way, I fundamentally disagreed with many of Corbyn's more out-there policy dreams, and the policies of many of the Labour candidates.

I have no interest in a full shift to socialism but the UK (the whole world) is going to need a socialist "shunt" over the next few years... The Tories are making some encouraging noises but I don't trust them to follow through. The UK may well need "sensible Labour" quite soon.

Some good points made there. I think Labour's biggest problem right now (or then) is the party seems weak, a lot of people found it hard to take Corbyn seriously. And this isn't helped by useless celebs like Lily Allen endorsing them. Wes Streeting made a great point when interviewed after the embarrassing Labour loss in December - 'labour has and is becoming too far left, we need to be more balanced and realistic. We need to remember what Labour stands for'. I think in order to appeal to the undecideds, a left centre approach will be more beneficial.

I agree that the current leader can sympathise, but RLB has lived this to a certain extent, she can relate. Imo, Sir Keir Starmer is the wrong man for the job. Labour needed to make a statement, they didn't as far as im concerned.

Labour need to distance themselves from the hard left now, and go back to a more centre/left approach.

Kizzy
08-04-2020, 05:38 PM
I'm not a fan of West Streeting... with people like him in Labour they don't need enemies. I'm all for the left and don't really trust centrists post Blair for obvious reasons.

Swan
08-04-2020, 05:46 PM
I'm not a fan of West Streeting... with people like him in Labour they don't need enemies. I'm all for the left and don't really trust centrists post Blair for obvious reasons.

I think it's time to start trusting centrists. I probably do lean more right on certain things, but at heart im left. If RLB had been elected leader, i would have been fulling behind Labour.

Wes Streeting is a realist, and to help balance the party, Labour need people like him.

Kizzy
08-04-2020, 05:50 PM
No way, he's done nothing but help undermine confidence in the party for years. During the campaigns for election he, reeves, milliband and others now in their shadow cabinet positions were nowhere to be seen.

Swan
08-04-2020, 05:52 PM
Well yes Kizzy, but what's going on now isn't working, and he's vocal about it. He doesn't bury his head in the sand.

Kizzy
08-04-2020, 06:07 PM
What is going on now?...

Kazanne
08-04-2020, 06:12 PM
Does anyone know the story behind this and is there any truth in it ?

https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/04/claim-new-labour-boss-keir-starmer-helped-paedophile-jimmy-saville-evade-justice/

Kizzy
08-04-2020, 06:17 PM
Does anyone know the story behind this and is there any truth in it ?

https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/04/claim-new-labour-boss-keir-starmer-helped-paedophile-jimmy-saville-evade-justice/

Have you tried researching it kaz?

Kazanne
08-04-2020, 06:22 PM
Have you tried researching it kaz?

Well there are a few links on it ,so its hard to know what's true and what's not, I thought a Labour supporter would know something about it, that's why I asked.

Samm
08-04-2020, 06:28 PM
Does anyone know the story behind this and is there any truth in it ?

https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/04/claim-new-labour-boss-keir-starmer-helped-paedophile-jimmy-saville-evade-justice/

Nope, just tory rubbish as usual, trying to start a smear campaign, anyways....

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/12/27/19/22-savilethatcher-gt.jpg?w968h681 https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03585/savile_3585495b.jpg

Kizzy
08-04-2020, 06:30 PM
Well there are a few links on it ,so its hard to know what's true and what's not, I thought a Labour supporter would know something about it, that's why I asked.
Are those links reliable, is it plausible that someone who had in any way defended savile make it as labour leader? Sometimes you have to use your best judgement.

Kazanne
08-04-2020, 06:41 PM
Are those links reliable, is it plausible that someone who had in any way defended savile make it as labour leader? Sometimes you have to use your best judgement.

Ive no idea, there are several different links .

Kazanne
08-04-2020, 06:42 PM
Nope, just tory rubbish as usual, trying to start a smear campaign, anyways....

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/12/27/19/22-savilethatcher-gt.jpg?w968h681 https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03585/savile_3585495b.jpg

So you are saying these links are all false ? maybe they should be sued then .

The Slim Reaper
08-04-2020, 06:53 PM
Have to laugh at folks who not only didn't, but refused to show any intellectual curiosity when it came to the murder of the poor in this country, the destruction of the NHS, of the blatant and easily provable lies of the leave campaign, and Johnson's history of racism and homophobia, suddenly finding their inner investigative journalists.

Kizzy
08-04-2020, 07:40 PM
Yes it's known that savile had intricate links to a party...but it wasn't labour.

Kizzy
08-04-2020, 07:44 PM
Following the cover up by high profile police ( to protect whow knows) Keir called for a change in the law, hardly the actions of someone who aids abusers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/04/child-abuse-keir-starmer-prosecute-professionals

Oliver_W
08-04-2020, 08:59 PM
If you're an idealist, sure. But those people won't get elected; we're not there yet. Under the tories we won't ever be there. So Labour supporters have to accept "status quo leadership" in a Tory-alternative that has a chance of being elected, in order to implement the basic changes that are needed to change that social structure.

It's only a "status quo" if you only look at surface level traits. Politically, Sir Kier and Corbyn have little in common, and the Shadow Shuffle shows it's nothing like a status quo.

user104658
08-04-2020, 09:02 PM
It's only a "status quo" if you only look at surface level traits. Politically, Sir Kier and Corbyn have little in common, and the Shadow Shuffle shows it's nothing like a status quo.

Corbyn was the opposite of status quo UK political leadership candidate, so being unlike Corbyn is sort of the point.

Oliver_W
08-04-2020, 09:04 PM
Corbyn was the opposite of status quo UK political leadership candidate, so being unlike Corbyn is sort of the point.

Oh I misunderstood what you meant, I thought you were saying "another straight wihite man!!!" was the status quo.

Livia
09-04-2020, 10:36 AM
Sir Keir was very contrite about his party's former anti-Semitism. Very apologetic and determined to stamp it out with a full and frank apology to the Jewish community. Which is quite a different stance from him. He's pretty much kept his mouth shut about it while the Old Soviet Nostalgists were running his party.

Livia
09-04-2020, 02:18 PM
Under the new spirit of moving forward, it might be a good idea for the Jewish community to try and end apartheid in Israel, and for the tories to try and deal with their Islamophobia.

You should stop demanding Jews do something about Israel until Muslims are also expected to end injustice in Islamic countries from which they did not originate.

Labour's confusion between Jewish and Israeli is still a bit of a problem, I see.

The Slim Reaper
09-04-2020, 02:28 PM
You should stop demanding Jews do something about Israel until Muslims are also expected to end injustice in Islamic countries from which they did not originate.

Labour's confusion between Jewish and Israeli is still a bit of a problem, I see.

I didn't demand anything, it was a suggestion under the new way forward. Really interesting that you can still throw out the slurs, then as soon as I point a couple of things out, your first impulse is to attack Muslims again. Then end it on "they don't belong there", which is false and bizarre.

Kizzy
09-04-2020, 02:33 PM
Corbyn and the whole of the Labour party issued a full and frank apology, it was never accepted.
There were exposed undercover reasons why that is of course and those are well documented. However it's a new era for Labour let's see how it goes.

Livia
09-04-2020, 02:33 PM
I didn't demand anything, it was a suggestion under the new way forward. Really interesting that you can still throw out the slurs, then as soon as I point a couple of things out, your first impulse is to attack Muslims again. Then end it on "they don't belong there", which is false and bizarre.

I didn't attack Muslims, I suggested if you're asking Jews in this country to do something about Israel, a country in which they were not born, why aren't you asking Muslims to sort out Islamic countries in which they were not born?

You didn't "point out" a couple of things, you gave your opinion. And I know your opinion already. You've made it abundantly clear.

That's all I have to say to you.

The Slim Reaper
09-04-2020, 02:43 PM
I didn't attack Muslims, I suggested if you're asking Jews in this country to do something about Israel, a country in which they were not born, why aren't you asking Muslims to sort out Islamic countries in which they were not born?

You didn't "point out" a couple of things, you gave your opinion. And I know your opinion already. You've made it abundantly clear.

That's all I have to say to you.

I actually think all of us should be looking to end apartheid in Israel, but the Jewish community obviously holds more sway than others.

As Israel is occupying non-Israeli lands, then the parallel would be British Muslims calling for an end to the Muslim occupation of Israel, and if that was happening I'd agree with you 100%

I've been extremely critical of Muslim abuses against other Muslims, but the comparison is incorrect.

Livia
09-04-2020, 05:32 PM
Why are you still talking to me?

The Slim Reaper
09-04-2020, 06:23 PM
Why are you still talking to me?

Because you replied to me, then I replied back to you; that's sort of how a forum works. Unfortunately, you don't have the abilty to tell me or anyone else where we can or can't post, however many times you think you do. If you want to reply to the post I wrote, then proceed. If you don't, don't. But replying to ask why I'm replying is both circular and self explanatory.

arista
14-09-2020, 08:18 AM
The Labour Leader
is Live on LBC

Taking calls.

He supports, the new 6 person rule for Covid-19


I think its every 2 weeks or 4 weeks.
Sadly only 30mins.


https://www.lbc.co.uk/
LBC changing /adding presenters, so they have removed
the presenter list


An old thread reused

arista
09-11-2020, 09:06 AM
He is Live on LBC.
again

Also live in vision on Facebook and Twitter

arista
22-02-2021, 07:34 AM
1363752906613288961

arista
22-02-2021, 09:04 AM
Keir Is Live Now

arista
22-02-2021, 09:16 AM
A Lady phoned in
who sells online
but no longer to the EU.

Sir Keir just said he will take it up with the PM?

joeysteele
22-02-2021, 09:23 AM
Somebody on now who seems to think Starmer is the actual PM.

arista
22-02-2021, 09:24 AM
Somebody on now who seems to think Starmer is the actual PM.


Yes some are so angry.
Any MP will do

arista
22-02-2021, 09:32 AM
A lady in Camden

Sir Keir asks what street? (He is the MP for Camden)

The caller does not give the street.

She asks is Sir Keir Tap Dancing?


Thats his 30mins done for this edition,
they should do one hour

arista
16-01-2023, 09:21 AM
He is Live again on LBC now

arista
16-01-2023, 09:35 AM
Last time Keir said
Free Buss journeys for under 25.


He now says NO

A New Manifesto has to be written and fully costed

arista
16-01-2023, 09:49 AM
Yesterday Starmer on BBC1HD
said internal bleeding, we can self diagnose,
what he means is

Blood is in the Toilet,
meaning from your poo.

thesheriff443
16-01-2023, 10:39 AM
He means it’s dying from the inside