Scottish Health Minister under fire for breaking her own rules

[Oliver_W]

Police have issued a warning to Scotland's chief medical officer for visiting her second home in Fife during the coronavirus lockdown.

Dr Catherine Calderwood is facing mounting criticism after pictures of her family trip to Earlsferry were published in The Scottish Sun.

She apologised "unreservedly" and said she would continue to focus on her job.

There have been calls for her to step down over the matter with MSPs describing her position as "untenable".

Chief Constable Iain Livingstone confirmed that local officers spoke to Dr Calderwood earlier today.

He said they reiterated crucial advice and issued a warning about her future conduct, all of which she accepted.

"The legal instructions on not leaving your home without a reasonable excuse apply to everyone," he said.

"Social distancing is the key intervention to curtail the spread of coronavirus and it is essential the instructions are followed to protect each other, support key workers, take strain from the NHS, and save lives.

"Individuals must not make personal exemptions bespoke to their own circumstances."

Dr Calderwood has joined Nicola Sturgeon in leading calls for the public to stay at home in order to save lives and protect the NHS.

Last month, the Scottish government issued a travel warning criticising the "irresponsible behaviour" of people with second homes and campervans travelling to the Highlands in a bid to isolate.

The Scottish Sun reported that Dr Calderwood and her family were seen walking across a golf course in Earlsferry, near their second home, on Saturday.

Earlsferry is a drive of more than an hour from Edinburgh, where they have their main family home.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52171694

What else is new about a bossy hypocrite wagging their fingers from on high and saying "do as I say and not as I do, dear oiks. Please stay inside and look the other way while I take my family to spend the weekends in my second home!"

[Cherie]

She is apologising on tv now :facepalm:

[hijaxers]

She should be sacked forthwith :fist:

Does Scotland only have one person capable of doing the job ?

[arista]

She should be sacked forthwith :fist:


Yes Loads in Scotland
are shouting just that

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

sacking offense

end of

[hijaxers]

sacking offense

end of

Nicola sees fit to keep her ~ she may live to regret that decision .

[bots]

she has lost all credibility with the public, why should anyone listen to her. Her position is untenable

[Crimson Dynamo]

she isnt even scottish

[Beso]

You couldn't make it up.

[Firewire]

Foolish but wouldn't call it a sackable offence.

The PM's mistress is at her second home... Where's the outrage for her?

[The Slim Reaper]

Matt Hancock refused to answer earlier today, when he was asked if he's visited his 2nd home since lockdown.

[Zizu]

I just don’t see how she can stay in office .. she said she made A mistake yet she did it on two weekends ..

Even in her speech she cleverly skated over this weekends trip with her FAMILY saying she went this weekend and also last weekend with her husband.


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[user104658]

I don't think she can stay long term, she'll have to be replaced later this year. HOWEVER, replacing the CMO with a new person in the middle of a public health crisis doesn't seem like a very good idea. She should continue until things are more settled.

[Denver]

Foolish but wouldn't call it a sackable offence.

The PM's mistress is at her second home... Where's the outrage for her?

Wasnt that because he had the virus and she was pregnant (and at the time wasnt showing symptoms)

[user104658]

Also just to nitpick, she's the chief medical. officer not health minister.

[bots]

she has resigned now

[hijaxers]

she has resigned now

Yes probably being hounded but she asked for it . Completely selfish woman.

[Oliver_W]

Also just to nitpick, she's the chief medical. officer not health minister.

Oops :laugh: is that the equivalent role?

[James]

Not sure this is the time for sackings / forced resignations in important positions.

[arista]

Not sure this is the time for sackings / forced resignations in important positions.


She told the Scottish Public to behave
and then Broke the Rules
Punish the Bitch.


Is only Fair.

[arista]

she has resigned now

Thats only Fair

[arista]

Matt Hancock refused to answer earlier today, when he was asked if he's visited his 2nd home since lockdown.


Of course its a Scottish Republic
mess

[arista]

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A Bit of the Free Front Page

[arista]

Well done Piers on GMBHD itv
Laying in Live at 7:48AM
to the Scottish Leader Women
Edinburgh Live (Weak Picture Web Cam , Not HD)

[hijaxers]

Well done Piers on GMBHD itv
Laying in Live at 7:48AM
to the Scottish Leader Women
Edinburgh Live (Weak Picture Web Cam)

Yes Arista she looked like she was relieved it was over at the end of it !

[Babayaro.]

I don't know if I'm being naive, but whilst this is clearly hypocritical of her, I don't see the huge deal?

If she went there with just her family (who she lives with) then surely they are not putting anyone at risk?

[AnnieK]

I don't know if I'm being naive, but whilst this is clearly hypocritical of her, I don't see the huge deal?

If she went there with just her family (who she lives with) then surely they are not putting anyone at risk?

Its because it goes against the essential travel narrative. They have said visiting holiday homes, caravans etc is not essential.

[Babayaro.]

Its because it goes against the essential travel narrative. They have said visiting holiday homes, caravans etc is not essential.

Ah okay, I see. Thank you


Still, I don't think it warrants her losing her job.

[bots]

Ah okay, I see. Thank you


Still, I don't think it warrants her losing her job.

it does when she is on TV every day telling people not to do that, and it wasn't a one time thing either, she did it every weekend :laugh:

[Zizu]

Its because it goes against the essential travel narrative. They have said visiting holiday homes, caravans etc is not essential.



Simply as unnecessary travelling can result in accidents and breakdowns which put further unnecessary strains on the services


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[user104658]

It's a shame that Charles will have to resign from the Royal Family and abdicate the throne to William when the queen dies, as he ****ed off up here to Balmoral after the advice not to go to holiday homes... and dripping with Covid-19.

Oh wait, what? What's that? We don't apply the same rules in that case? :omgno: I am most SHOCKED.

[Cherie]

It's a shame that Charles will have to resign from the Royal Family and abdicate the throne to William when the queen dies, as he ****ed off up here to Balmoral after the advice not to go to holiday homes... and dripping with Covid-19.

Oh wait, what? What's that? We don't apply the same rules in that case? :omgno: I am most SHOCKED.

I didn't know this where was he when he was diagnosed with Covid?

[user104658]

I didn't know this where was he when he was diagnosed with Covid?

I think he was already there when he was diagnosed, he didn't travel there already ill or anything, but it was definitely after the advice not to go to holiday homes had been released (because we had already cancelled our pre-booked holiday in the highlands). And the fact that he came down with Covid while he was there and probably did have it before he travelled is exactly WHY you're not supposed to travel even if well. There's a very good chance he infected at least some of the Balmoral staff :shrug:.

But no one has had more than a passing word to say about that, whereas the CMO going to her holiday house has had her branded a selfish demon and forced to resign. I'm actually not even saying she didn't make a stupid decision or didn't deserve to be chastised for it... I'm just wondering why Charlie gets a pass. Well, I'm not wondering why, really we all know why (he's first-tier royalty, and he's male) ... I'm just irked by it.

Imagine it was Meghan Markle :umm2:

[bots]

I think he was already there when he was diagnosed, he didn't travel there already ill or anything, but it was definitely after the advice not to go to holiday homes had been released (because we had already cancelled our pre-booked holiday in the highlands). And the fact that he came down with Covid while he was there and probably did have it before he travelled is exactly WHY you're not supposed to travel even if well. There's a very good chance he infected at least some of the Balmoral staff :shrug:.

But no one has had more than a passing word to say about that, whereas the CMO going to her holiday house has had her branded a selfish demon and forced to resign. I'm actually not even saying she didn't make a stupid decision or didn't deserve to be chastised for it... I'm just wondering why Charlie gets a pass. Well, I'm not wondering why, really we all know why (he's first-tier royalty, and he's male) ... I'm just irked by it.

Imagine it was Meghan Markle :umm2:

Charles wasn't the face of a TV advertising campaign saying not to travel, Charles doesn't stand up every day dictating the future strategy the country should take with regard to health.

Agreed he shouldn't have travelled, but they are completely different scenarios

[user104658]

Charles wasn't the face of a TV advertising campaign saying not to travel, Charles doesn't stand up every day dictating the future strategy the country should take with regard to health.

Agreed he shouldn't have travelled, but they are completely different scenarios

He's the direct heir to the throne and one of the most publicly visible people in the entire country... how many people (even in Scotland) can honestly claim they had any idea who Catherine Calderwood was before this story broke?

I agree that the hypocrisy adds another element and it's a very different situation, but I don't think one is necessarily worse than the other. We are CONSTANTLY being told that the Royals are, or are supposed to be, role models for the public and that's part of why it's important that we keep them around at all, and why it's important to keep "undesireables" out of the line up, and yet here we have the future king (maybe, I reckon Liz might outlive him) blatantly disregarding the advice. How can you expect people to see that and not question why they're not allowed to do the same?

[Cherie]

He's the direct heir to the throne and one of the most publicly visible people in the entire country... how many people (even in Scotland) can honestly claim they had any idea who Catherine Calderwood was before this story broke?

I agree that the hypocrisy adds another element and it's a very different situation, but I don't think one is necessarily worse than the other. We are CONSTANTLY being told that the Royals are, or are supposed to be, role models for the public and that's part of why it's important that we keep them around at all, and why it's important to keep "undesireables" out of the line up, and yet here we have the future king (maybe, I reckon Liz might outlive him) blatantly disregarding the advice. How can you expect people to see that and not question why they're not allowed to do the same?


Yes there shouldn't be one rule for one

[Beso]

Inept leadership.

[Oliver_W]

Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?

[Jigs]

A wrongdoing, sure, but this definitely DOES NOT warrant her losing her job. This was such a minor bending of the rules that I can't even believe it made the news to begin with. This is another typical witch hunt case where people project fake outrage in order to cause harm/comeuppance to someone else. Now she's been strong-armed into stepping down from a position she'll have worked her entire life for. A huge shame!

The people who were "outraged" will have forgotten about this in 5 minutes and moved on with their lives. Unfortunately, she'll have to face long term consequences as a result of this fleeting anger.

[user104658]

Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?

Not very, it's an advisory position taken by trained medics (she is a doctor), most of the political messages have come directly from Wee Nic. She is/was a direct advisor to the first minister, though.

Having to replace the CMO in the middle of this is an absolute disaster to be honest, and is why she wasn't going to be fired, but the press heat has given no choice but resignation.

It should have been a grovelling apology now, and resignation when things have started to quieten down. Now they need to appoint a new CMO and that person has to take the time to get up to speed, and will still be lacking a lot of vital experience even when they are up to speed. It's going to slow things down and cause more confusion. Total mess. But people need their pound of flesh.

[bots]

Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?

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[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't know if I'm being naive, but whilst this is clearly hypocritical of her, I don't see the huge deal?

If she went there with just her family (who she lives with) then surely they are not putting anyone at risk?

She is coming from a city area to a small rural community, and her family, increasing infection risk there massively. It's beyond recklass

[Crimson Dynamo]

A wrongdoing, sure, but this definitely DOES NOT warrant her losing her job. This was such a minor bending of the rules that I can't even believe it made the news to begin with. This is another typical witch hunt case where people project fake outrage in order to cause harm/comeuppance to someone else. Now she's been strong-armed into stepping down from a position she'll have worked her entire life for. A huge shame!

The people who were "outraged" will have forgotten about this in 5 minutes and moved on with their lives. Unfortunately, she'll have to face long term consequences as a result of this fleeting anger.

Deliberate and calculated flouting of the rules twice set by the Scottish government in order to save lives.
Is not a minor offence by the country s leading medical officer ffs

[Oliver_W]

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Does that advert run along? Down here there's one with a man I've not heard of which comes on nearly every break.

Not very, it's an advisory position taken by trained medics (she is a doctor), most of the political messages have come directly from Wee Nic. She is/was a direct advisor to the first minister, though.

Having to replace the CMO in the middle of this is an absolute disaster to be honest, and is why she wasn't going to be fired, but the press heat has given no choice but resignation.

It should have been a grovelling apology now, and resignation when things have started to quieten down. Now they need to appoint a new CMO and that person has to take the time to get up to speed, and will still be lacking a lot of vital experience even when they are up to speed. It's going to slow things down and cause more confusion. Total mess. But people need their pound of flesh.
I'm always against "trial by public", I too think it should have been abject apology.

[user104658]

She is coming from a city area to a small rural community, and her family, increasing infection risk there massively. It's beyond recklass

Deliberate and calculated flouting of the rules twice set by the Scottish government in order to save lives.
Is not a minor offence by the country s leading medical officer ffs

I don't disagree that her long-term viability for the position was trashed, but like I said the sensible option would have been to apologise now - do her job quietly for the time being - and then leave the role afterwards. Appointing a new CMO in the middle of a pandemic is a disaster.

[Zizu]

Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?



They reported that she’d been on stage each day by the side of misery/guts Sturgeon.


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[Zizu]

A wrongdoing, sure, but this definitely DOES NOT warrant her losing her job. This was such a minor bending of the rules that I can't even believe it made the news to begin with. This is another typical witch hunt case where people project fake outrage in order to cause harm/comeuppance to someone else. Now she's been strong-armed into stepping down from a position she'll have worked her entire life for. A huge shame!

The people who were "outraged" will have forgotten about this in 5 minutes and moved on with their lives. Unfortunately, she'll have to face long term consequences as a result of this fleeting anger.



How is it a MINOR bending of the rules ?


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[user104658]

They reported that she’d been on stage each day by the side of misery/guts Sturgeon.


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Excuse me Our Nic is a rough diamond.

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[Beso]

Nicola sees fit to keep her ~ she may live to regret that decision .

What's she saying about this latest thing?

[user104658]

What's she saying about this latest thing?Not that relevant as she didn't stay on, she resigned.

[Beso]

Not that relevant as she didn't stay on, she resigned.

Nicolas resigned!!

[Oliver_W]

What's she saying about this latest thing?

Cummings and Dr Calderwood aren't really comparable tbh. In either case we have to ask - where are they more useful? Resigning or keeping their post?

Calderwood would surely have been more useful if he kept her role, especially when there's a global pandemic; Cummings isn't so important.

[The Slim Reaper]

She is coming from a city area to a small rural community, and her family, increasing infection risk there massively. It's beyond recklass

This has aged well :joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

she has resigned now

Thats only Fair

Arista :joker:

[user104658]

Cummings and Dr Calderwood aren't really comparable tbh. In either case we have to ask - where are they more useful? Resigning or keeping their post?



Calderwood would surely have been more useful if he kept her role, especially when there's a global pandemic; Cummings isn't so important.That was my thinking at the time, but she did end up resigning regardless. Cummings on the other hand is going nowhere, despite his role being.......? Completely unknown tbqfh, suspicious, and sinister. A snake sat on Boris Johnson's shoulder hissing in his ear, with a completely undisclosed purpose, but we just have to accept it like it isn't right there in our faces. Really mad times.

[AnnieK]

Arista :joker:

You forget though she was a Poxy Woman

Not needed in a mans world. Not good totty either

Life in the fast lane

[arista]

Arista :joker:


You can Not Compare
Hanky Panky

To making safe a Child

[The Slim Reaper]

You can Not Compare
Hanky Panky

To making safe a Child

:joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

You forget though she was a Poxy Woman

Not needed in a mans world. Not good totty either

Life in the fast lane

I believe poxy and evil are the cut off points.

[Oliver_W]

That was my thinking at the time, but she did end up resigning regardless. Cummings on the other hand is going nowhere, despite his role being.......? Completely unknown tbqfh, suspicious, and sinister. A snake sat on Boris Johnson's shoulder hissing in his ear, with a completely undisclosed purpose, but we just have to accept it like it isn't right there in our faces. Really mad times.

Cummings is obviously a "good" adviser, as I'm pretty sure he came up with the snappy slogans and whatnot ... but the next election is over four years away. He could easily be fired/resign now and slide back in later...


Frankly, principles and their hypocrisies aside I can't really blame Cummings or Calderwood for wanting to get away from the cities :joker: If someone I knew personally did it I'd say "ohhh you're not meant to do that!!" but I wouldn't really care.
edit: "not care" isn't really the right words,I don't want people bring city corona down here! But I'd understand. And avoid them.

But again, I don't know any government advisers or medics :joker:

[user104658]

Frankly, principles and their hypocrisies aside I can't really blame Cummings or Calderwood for wanting to get away from the cities :joker: If someone I knew personally did it I'd say "ohhh you're not meant to do that!!" but I wouldn't really care.

If they were seemingly healthy, sure - Cummings had tested positive for Covid! There wasn't just a "risk" that he could spread it... he knew for a verified fact that he had it :umm2:.

[Cherie]

If they were seemingly healthy, sure - Cummings had tested positive for Covid! There wasn't just a "risk" that he could spread it... he knew for a verified fact that he had it :umm2:.

He said yesterday neither he or his wife were tested, what he did know was Boris, Hancock, Whitty etc had it

[user104658]

He said yesterday neither he or his wife were tested, what he did know was Boris, Hancock, Whitty etc had it

But he travelled there to protect his son because of the worry they would both get ill, and wanted to test his eyesight because he thought it had been affected by Covid. :facepalm: he can't even get his own story to synch.

[Marsh.]

sacking offense

end of

oh

[Marsh.]

How is it a MINOR bending of the rules ?


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:joker:

[user104658]

oh

These are gems too, I hope Dom is listening to our most wise LT.

coming from a city area to a small rural community, with family, increasing infection risk there massively. It's beyond reckless

Deliberate and calculated flouting of the rules twice set by the government in order to save lives.
Is not a minor offense ffs

[Marsh.]

:joker: Surely not ContraryTrumpet striking again.

[The Slim Reaper]

These are gems too, I hope Dom is listening to our most wise LT.

The best bit is LT going back and changing the spelling of reckless in a cummings-esque fashion. I quoted his original post a few posts up.

[user104658]

The best bit is LT going back and changing the spelling of reckless in a cummings-esque fashion. I quoted his original post a few posts up.

I moderated his posts for clarity and consistency.

[The Slim Reaper]

Apologies to LT, when soldier was the recklass one.

[Tom4784]

She should be sacked like Cummings should be sacked.

[user104658]

She should be sacked like Cummings should be sacked.

She apologised and resigned within two days.

[Beso]

She apologised and resigned within two days.

Sturgeon stood on stage with her, backing her but backed down to public opinion and forced her to resign down to public opinion...


Thankfully boris has Britons best interests at heart.

[user104658]

Sturgeon stood on stage with her, backing her but backed down to public opinion and forced her to resign down to public opinion...


Thankfully boris has Britons best interests at heart.

They both admitted that what she had done was wrong and stupid and she apologised profusely - Sturgeon wanted her to stay on because we were in the midst of a pandemic and she felt that the disruption would be bad for the country.

I personally would NOT be calling for any resignations IF Cummings had just ****ing admitted that he was being a bit selfish and acted outside the rules, admitted that it was going directly against the government lockdown guidelines, and gave a genuine apology. I know that wouldn't be enough for a lot of people but for me, that would be it. A "meh, whatever" after that. But no it's been utterly ridiculous lie after lie, dumb fairytales about his eyesight that we're supposed to believe, and an attempt to rewrite history to say that the rules were never what we thought they were. That is the problem here. It's not that he went on a drive or toddled off out to a castle for his wife's birthday. It's that the elected government of this country is happy to treat their voters, and the whole public, like unfathomably gullible idiots. It's a lack of respect that's verging on contempt. It shows such a willingness to lie and twist things to suit themselves that every single citizen of this country should be worried about it.

[Beso]

They both admitted that what she had done was wrong and stupid and she apologised profusely - Sturgeon wanted her to stay on because we were in the midst of a pandemic and she felt that the disruption would be bad for the country.

I personally would NOT be calling for any resignations IF Cummings had just ****ing admitted that he was being a bit selfish and acted outside the rules, admitted that it was going directly against the government lockdown guidelines, and gave a genuine apology. I know that wouldn't be enough for a lot of people but for me, that would be it. A "meh, whatever" after that. But no it's been utterly ridiculous lie after lie, dumb fairytales about his eyesight that we're supposed to believe, and an attempt to rewrite history to say that the rules were never what we thought they were. That is the problem here. It's not that he went on a drive or toddled off out to a castle for his wife's birthday. It's that the elected government of this country is happy to treat their voters, and the whole public, like unfathomably gullible idiots. It's a lack of respect that's verging on contempt. It shows such a willingness to lie and twist things to suit themselves that every single citizen of this country should be worried about it.



Stripping all that back just tells me that this non entity of a story is down to the hungry press.:shrug:

You've quoted st least 2 headlines.

[Marsh.]

Strip all that back just tells me that this non entity of a story is down to the hungry press.:shrug:

His outright lies are down to the press? No.

The press are many things, they are not responsible for Cumming's words and actions and even more not to blame for Boris Johnson's utter contempt for the people he is supposed to be serving.

[user104658]

Stripping all that back just tells me that this non entity of a story is down to the hungry press.:shrug:

You've quoted st least 2 headlines.

If I've quoted headlines it's coincidence; I don't read the papers (physical or online). Ever.

[Oliver_W]

I pretty much agree TS. Calderwood basically said "I did wrong, I'm sorry" and she should have been allowed to get on with her job.
If Cummings had even just said "lol you got me, peasants!" this would probably have dried up by now, it's not like anyone could think less of him! But it's just insulting that he's flinging these excuses out there.


Thankfully boris has Britons best interests at heart.
How does Cummings staying on represent our interests?

[user104658]

How does Cummings staying on represent our interests?

I've seen some folks-in-politics suggest that Boris ... struggles to make decisions ... and quite often relies on Cummings to prompt him to do anything at all. Seems he wouldn't be able to pick out a tie without asking Dom whether it should be patterned or plain.

[Marsh.]

Boris always looks like he's just rolled out of bed after a late one on the Xbox and downed a red bull before leaving the house so I wouldn't be surprised.

[Beso]

His outright lies are down to the press? No.

The press are many things, they are not responsible for Cumming's words and actions and even more not to blame for Boris Johnson's utter contempt for the people he is supposed to be serving.

Boris has served us well so far during his tenure as pm..

Cummings was forced into a corner by a hungry press desperate for something to latch onto, unfortunately he took the decision hundreds of thousands of families in the same position would have, and should have.

These people are humans you know, they do love people and make them the centre of their universe like the rest of us.

Perhaps what he said were lies in his circumstances, but imo alone it seems.. what he described a family that could do that at the time , would and infact should .they came into contact as a family unit with nobody else after all.

[Beso]

Boris always looks like he's just rolled out of bed after a late one on the Xbox and downed a red bull before leaving the house so I wouldn't be surprised.

I hope you ain't looking horizontal in a box if you catch corona marsh. I really mean that.

Slams pint on bar and walks out the virtual pub.

[Marsh.]

Boris has served us well so far during his tenure as pm..

Cummings was forced into a corner by a hungry press desperate for something to latch onto, unfortunately he took the decision hundreds of thousands of families in the same position would have, and should have.

These people are humans you know, they do love people and make them the centre of their universe like the rest of us.

Perhaps what he said were lies in his circumstances, but imo alone it seems..a family that could do that would and infact should .they came into contact as a family unit with nobody else after all.

A lot of words making someone's selfish actions, disregard for his position in the government, and utter contempt for the British public everyone's issue except his own. All to allow the government to wriggle out of owning up to their own actions?

"These people are humans" are they? Well at least he might be able to relate to a fraction of the pain his "guidelines that actually don't mean much" have caused to innumerable people across the country that now holds one of the worst Covid death tolls in the world. I'm sure the fact that Cummings is human (apparently) will make up for the sacrifices they made, which he took the absolute piss out of in his shambles of a live broadcast.

[Marsh.]

I hope you ain't looking horizontal in a box if you catch corona marsh. I really mean that.

Slams pint on bar and walks out the virtual pub.

I'm sure that made more sense in your head before you put fingers to keyboard.

Here. Have an "lol" for the effort.

[Beso]

A lot of words making someone's selfish actions, disregard for his position in the government, and utter contempt for the British public everyone's issue except his own. All to allow the government to wriggle out of owning up to their own actions?

"These people are humans" are they? Well at least he might be able to relate to a fraction of the pain his "guidelines that actually don't mean much" have caused to innumerable people across the country that now holds one of the worst Covid death tolls in the world. I'm sure the fact that Cummings is human (apparently) will make up for the sacrifices they made, which he took the absolute piss out of in his shambles of a live broadcast.





Family comes first, why wouldn't it is my question to you?


And the death toll would have been maybe ten grand more had we all stayed out

[AnnieK]

They both admitted that what she had done was wrong and stupid and she apologised profusely - Sturgeon wanted her to stay on because we were in the midst of a pandemic and she felt that the disruption would be bad for the country.

I personally would NOT be calling for any resignations IF Cummings had just ****ing admitted that he was being a bit selfish and acted outside the rules, admitted that it was going directly against the government lockdown guidelines, and gave a genuine apology. I know that wouldn't be enough for a lot of people but for me, that would be it. A "meh, whatever" after that. But no it's been utterly ridiculous lie after lie, dumb fairytales about his eyesight that we're supposed to believe, and an attempt to rewrite history to say that the rules were never what we thought they were. That is the problem here. It's not that he went on a drive or toddled off out to a castle for his wife's birthday. It's that the elected government of this country is happy to treat their voters, and the whole public, like unfathomably gullible idiots. It's a lack of respect that's verging on contempt. It shows such a willingness to lie and twist things to suit themselves that every single citizen of this country should be worried about it.

Completely agree with every word. Had Cummings apologised yesterday i think a lot of people would still have been rightly pissed but thought not an awful lot more of it. The downright refusal to admit he had acted against his own advice coupled with the Gove and Hancock debacle today just compounded the GBP thinking they have sacrificed their right to free movement for the bigwigs to do what the **** they want

[Marsh.]

Family comes first, why wouldn't it is my question to you?

Why wouldn't a family outing come before people's lives during a pandemic?
Take a wild guess.


And the death toll would have been maybe ten grand more had we all stayed out

Had we all been out for day trips like Cummings you mean? Yes, exactly.

[AnnieK]

Family comes first, why wouldn't it is my question to you?


And the death toll would have been maybe ten grand more had we all stayed out

Family does come first indeed.....its a shame that so many people's family members died alone because people adhered to Cummings preachings about staying home....so many people.were denied the right to mourn their loved ones due to restrictions on funerals.....but good ole Dom boy could trot off to mummy and daddy's estate because he felt a lickle bit poorly. Bull****.

[Beso]

A lot of words making someone's selfish actions, disregard for his position in the government, and utter contempt for the British public everyone's issue except his own. All to allow the government to wriggle out of owning up to their own actions?

"These people are humans" are they? Well at least he might be able to relate to a fraction of the pain his "guidelines that actually don't mean much" have caused to innumerable people across the country that now holds one of the worst Covid death tolls in the world. I'm sure the fact that Cummings is human (apparently) will make up for the sacrifices they made, which he took the absolute piss out of in his shambles of a live broadcast.

Why wouldn't a family outing come before people's lives during a pandemic?
Take a wild guess.



Had we all been out for day trips like Cummings you mean? Yes, exactly.

No that's not what I mean.

[Marsh.]

No that's not what I mean.

Of course it isn't.

[Beso]

Family does come first indeed.....its a shame that so many people's family members died alone because people adhered to Cummings preachings about staying home....so many people.were denied the right to mourn their loved ones due to restrictions on funerals.....but good ole Dom boy could trot off to mummy and daddy's estate because he felt a lickle bit poorly. Bull****.

Had dominic or his wife or child had died they would also have been denied the right to say goodbye so they did all they could to stop this happening whilst keeping other members of the public safe...if that's bull**** then I find your comments crass and heartless to people that have had to endure that.

[Marsh.]

Had dominic or his wife or child had died they would also have been denied the right to say goodbye so they did all they could whilst keeping other members of the public safe...if that's bull**** then I find your comments crass and heartless to people that have had to endure that.

"If they'd died..." is an excuse for breaking lockdown guidelines and then lying about it. You need to think that one through again. The only danger to their lives was Cummings getting behind the wheel of a car with bad eyesight, allegedly.

Maybe go back to "He's a human", that one was working. Kind of.

[Beso]

"If they'd died..." is an excuse for breaking lockdown guidelines and then lying about it. You need to think that one through again. The only danger to their lives was Cummings getting behind the wheel of a car with bad eyesight, allegedly.

Maybe go back to "He's a human", that one was working. Kind of.

Can you let other people that the reply is directed at answer first please..you make me lose my train of thought.and I'm fed up with it.

[Marsh.]

Can you let other people that the reply is directed at answer first please..you make me lose my train of thought.and I'm fed up with it.

I'm impressed you have a train of thought going on with the drivel you're posting in this thread.

FYI, you want a private conversation? Take it to PM. :thumbs:

[Beso]

I'm impressed you have a train of thought going on with the drivel you're posting in this thread.

FYI, you want a private conversation? Take it to PM. :thumbs:

Thanks but the last time I tried that i posted the question on my wall.

[Zizu]

As regards the Cummings family

Why is everyone dismissing the fact that this apparently unforgivable ‘crime’ comes down to an obviously concerned couple simply doing their level best to protect their 4 yrs old child , whilst actually causing no harm to anyone !

Blimey I’d give them the benefit of the doubt if their explanation was based around them simply being worried that they MAY both get poorly but given we KNOW that that the mother was poorly at the start and the father actually got very , very poorly the whole witch-hunt seems grossly unfair .


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[user104658]

In all seriousness though, Zizu, why do you copy and past the same post into multiple threads? You've posted this one on I think four threads?

Literally no one else does it :think:. If you can't be arsed to write more than one post, stick to one thread. It's just spam at this point.

[Zizu]

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[Zizu]

In all seriousness though, Zizu, why do you copy and past the same post into multiple threads? You've posted this one on I think four threads?

Literally no one else does it :think:. If you can't be arsed to write more than one post, stick to one thread. It's just spam at this point.



Ok ... I’m done here

You win




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[Cherie]

Ok ... I’m done here

You win




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No need to go Zizu, there aren’t that many people on here and when threads are bumped the posts are read, it can be a little annoying to see a thread bumped and then find its the same post you have just read, your thought are always very welcome

[Zizu]

No need to go Zizu, there aren’t that many people on here and when threads are bumped the posts are read, it can be a little annoying to see a thread bumped and then find its the same post you have just read, your thought are always very welcome

Thank you for your kind words..

It’s probably time for me to take a break from here .. I have Aspergers which in my case comes with some positives but many more negatives ( including obsessiveness and over- thinking issues )

I’m finding coping with the virus situation and all that it entails extremely stressful.


Where’s the problem if a certain post/topic applies to two or more different threads often populated /seen by different groups of people .


It’s disappointing that people like myself ( Aspergers types ) are constantly being hounded out of threads and even forums just because of our obsessive ways and the way we come at issues from different angles as as such often have different viewpoints ( normally in the minority of course ) .

Maybe one day our society will be more tolerant or even sympathetic to our issues and foibles .






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[Cherie]

Thank you for your kind words..

It’s probably time for me to take a break from here .. I have Aspergers which in my case comes with some positives but many more negatives ( including obsessiveness and over- thinking issues )

I’m finding coping with the virus situation and all that it entails extremely stressful.


Where’s the problem if a certain post/topic applies to two or more different threads often populated /seen by different groups of people .


It’s disappointing that people like myself ( Aspergers types ) are constantly being hounded out of threads and even forums just because of our obsessive ways and the way we come at issues from different angles as as such often have different viewpoints ( normally in the minority of course ) .

Maybe one day our society will be more tolerant or even sympathetic to our issues and foibles .






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Nobody knew you were aspergers Zizu, so we are taking you at face value, now you have explained it, I guess I can tolerate the multi posting :shrug:

If you feel you need to take a break though, mentally that can be a good thing x

[Marsh.]

I'd hardly call one forum member pointing out you'd copied and pasted the same post in different threads "hounded".

Probs best take a break, get a fresh perspective. You'll be fine. :thumbs:

[Zizu]

I'd hardly call one forum member pointing out you'd copied and pasted the same post in different threads is "hounded".

Probs best take a break, get a fresh perspective. You'll be fine. :thumbs:



Well it’s by no means the first time it’s been mentioned sooo ... plus it’s not just this either.

As I said by simply thinking ‘differently’ to most quite often results in different conclusions being reached and that has a knock on effect when expressing opinions .

Jees , if I had a fiver for every time I’ve been called a WUM or a troll or whatever just for expressing an honest opinion .


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[user104658]

Hmm. If I'd known the reason I'd have asked in a different way Zizu - though personally I'd still advise against doing it, or even just adding "as I posted in the _____ thread" at the top.

In terms of feeling hounded out because you have a different opinion/way of looking at things or people disagree with you and that there should be special consideration, I'm afraid I disagree. You know your limitations, I'm not going to patronise you, it's a debates forum and if you find debates or being strongly disagreed with emotionally overwhelming then yes the answer is taking a step back. If someone strongly disagrees with you they're going to say so, just as if anyone else said it. People aren't always going to agree or like what you have to say. When you share a thought on a debate forum, you have to accept that :shrug:

[Zizu]

Nobody knew you were aspergers Zizu, so we are taking you at face value, now you have explained it, I guess I can tolerate the multi posting :shrug:



If you feel you need to take a break though, mentally that can be a good thing x



I may well do as things are very soon going to be getting far more difficult at work ( school) .

Having Aspergers is a great benefit when supporting young teenagers with autism or Aspergers as I generally know how they’re feeling and how to keep their stress levels under control ....but oddly enough I don’t manage my own stress levels quite as well ..


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[The Slim Reaper]

I may well do as things are very soon going to be getting far more difficult at work ( school) .

Having Aspergers is a great benefit when supporting young teenagers with autism or Aspergers as I generally know how they’re feeling and how to keep their stress levels under control ....but oddly enough I don’t manage my own stress levels quite as well ..


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Cherie makes us all feel like that, you'll be fine compadre.

[Cherie]

Cherie makes us all feel like that, you'll be fine compadre.

:joker: wish we had a middle finger smilie