Anybody now scared of catching the Virus

[Denver]

We were led to believe it only killed the old or seriously Ill so I wasnt worried but now I see more younger healthier people die its making me a lot more scared of it

[Cherie]

It's been common knowledge for weeks now that the virus can affect any age group, you just need to bear in mind that if you get it you have an 80% chance of getting it mildly, and a 14% chance of ending up in hospital and a 6% chance of ending up in ICU so the odds are stacked in your favour...wash your hands

[Denver]

It's been common knowledge for weeks now that the virus can affect any age group, you just need to bear in mind that if you get it you have an 80% chance of getting it mildly, and a 14% chance of ending up in hospital and a 6% chance of ending up in ICU so the odds are stacked in your favour...wash your hands

I knew obviously all that but this last week a lot more younger healthy people have died that the previous weeks which send the anxiety levels much higher then normal

[Cherie]

There isn't much point worrying about it, just try and take as many precautions as you can, were you not worried about older family members before this :idc:

[Niamh.]

Yeah definitely, myself and Luke are at home and only going out for walks but Gav has to go to work still and is around a lot of people every day, they have very strict health and safety measures where he works but even so

[Barry.]

I am actually. It's scary that healthier people are dying. I'm scared for my family aswell.

[Denver]

There isn't much point worrying about it, just try and take as many precautions as you can, were you not worried about older family members before this :idc:

I've always been worried and have stayed away and advice them to stay indoors

[caprimint]

Nope

[Barry.]

Nope

Girl, you are made of steel :laugh:

[arista]

Nope

Making sure you do not get near anyone...............

[arista]

Girl, you are made of steel :laugh:

No
She is taking better precautions

[Denver]

No
She is taking better precautions

I wouldnt say getting drunk with strangers is taking better precautions

[Shaun]

Obviously.

I thought I felt ill yesterday (chest was tensing up, probably just stress though) but today I feel fine.

[smudgie]

Not really.
Cautiously hopeful that with plenty of good sense most will come through this very trying time.
My daughter is on the mend at last after 5 weeks, still waiting for results of her blood tests.

[arista]

Obviously.

I thought I felt ill yesterday (chest was tensing up, probably just stress though) but today I feel fine.


Yes a bit Stress


You need Some Beatles Remix on.

[caprimint]

Girl, you are made of steel :laugh:
I think I've already had it in January anyway :laugh:

I wouldnt say getting drunk with strangers is taking better precautions
Live a little!

[Kizzy]

I'm trying to focus on the positive and there does seem to be one or two glimmers tbh, this article for instance

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/plasma-from-coronavirus-survivors-found-to-help-severely-ill-patients

One big opportunity missed however was not adequately recording who had been admitted to hospital with confirmed cases of coronavirus and recovered, had they done that and compiled a national database of survivors they could then have invited those to participate in trials or donate plasma.

[user104658]

Nothing has changed, the rough percentages for risk have been known since January, it was never the case that it "only" kills the old. However, out of all of the deaths something like 60% have been over 80, over 90% have been over 50,and only a few % have been under 40. It's possible... There is a chance of things going badly at any age... But it is a much much smaller risk for young healthy people. A few standalone cases doesn't change that and you can't live in fear of a small %age risk or you'll go mad.

If you're under around 60 and healthy, in any one year, you have a higher chance of getting cancer than you have of dying of Civid-19 during this crisis. You don't (or at least most people don't) go through life constantly worried that you're going to get cancer, or die in an accident, but that risk is there every day.

[user104658]

I'm trying to focus on the positive and there does seem to be one or two glimmers tbh, this article for instance

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/plasma-from-coronavirus-survivors-found-to-help-severely-ill-patients

One big opportunity missed however was not adequately recording who had been admitted to hospital with confirmed cases of coronavirus and recovered, had they done that and compiled a national database of survivors they could then have invited those to participate in trials or donate plasma.The problem with plasma donation is that it takes several plasma donors to treat one ill person. It could definitely be a huge help long term though, when there are a lot more potential donors.

[Nicky91]

the few younger people who die of covid-19 are just among the unlucky ones

and i don't believe in a term like ''perfectly healthy'' which has been overused by mass media a lot now, just to spread more awareness of the dangers of this virus

[Kazanne]

I am a little mainly because my brother is a firefighter so still has to work and comes into contact with people at times ,I worry for him and his family more than anything, my children have been kept in and Jay is working from home,so I think we should be ok.

[bots]

the load of the virus that you get hit with when you get infected has a direct impact on it's severity. So any age group can be affected very badly by it. Thats why health workers are so at risk and why several who are young and healthy have died

Going to an enclosed space with loads of people is asking for trouble as the concentration of virus will be much higher than in an open air space

I think its right that people are concerned at least a little, because that's how they will help protect themselves and others, but other than that, there is nothing to be gained from over anxiety

[MTVN]

The reason you've heard about young people dying from it is exactly because it's so rare for them to do so, that's why it makes headlines. I think I read that the mortality rate for people between 20 and 30 is something like 0.016% and if you have no health conditions it's obviously lower than that

I'm not personally worried about myself catching it, my only concern as I'm still working and coming into contact with the public is that I could pass it on

[Cherie]

The reason you've heard about young people dying from it is exactly because it's so rare for them to do so, that's why it makes headlines. I think I read that the mortality rate for people between 20 and 30 is something like 0.016% and if you have no health conditions it's obviously lower than that

I'm not personally worried about myself catching it, my only concern as I'm still working and coming into contact with the public is that I could pass it on

King of thinking of others :worship:

[Kizzy]

The problem with plasma donation is that it takes several plasma donors to treat one ill person. It could definitely be a huge help long term though, when there are a lot more potential donors.

Hence the database to help build a plasma bank?

[MTVN]

King of thinking of others :worship:

:angel:

(although tbh my concern is more for myself to avoid some old duffer (i.e. my Dad) ranting at me for giving it to him)

[Kizzy]

the load of the virus that you get hit with when you get infected has a direct impact on it's severity. So any age group can be affected very badly by it. Thats why health workers are so at risk and why several who are young and healthy have died

Going to an enclosed space with loads of people is asking for trouble as the concentration of virus will be much higher than in an open air space

I think its right that people are concerned at least a little, because that's how they will help protect themselves and others, but other than that, there is nothing to be gained from over anxiety

I was just looking for an article on this I saw last night about the initial viral load.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-viral-load-genetics-young-people-genes-symptoms-covid-19-a9451101.html

I'm still a bit confused by how that impacts on passing the virus person to person...Does the initial viral load mean that the person that infects you has to be at a certain stage in their infection and the viral load is so high that there is a much reduced chance of you being able to fight it off?

Or, that it's the overall amount of the virus you are exposed to, as in many different people at varying states of infection?

[Cherie]

:angel:

(although tbh my concern is more for myself to avoid some old duffer (i.e. my Dad) ranting at me for giving it to him)

:joker:

[LaLaLand]

My anxiety or panic disorder that I suffer with is mostly health-related so it’s through the roof atm with all of this.

Panic attack symptoms around the clock in different forms, to the point where I haven’t been able to gulp a drink for over a week because my throat feels like it’s constricting. Horrible.

[bots]

I was just looking for an article on this I saw last night about the initial viral load.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-viral-load-genetics-young-people-genes-symptoms-covid-19-a9451101.html

I'm still a bit confused by how that impacts on passing the virus person to person...Does the initial viral load mean that the person that infects you has to be at a certain stage in their infection and the viral load is so high that there is a much reduced chance of you being able to fight it off?

Or, that it's the overall amount of the virus you are exposed to, as in many different people at varying states of infection?

It basically the concentration of the virus that you breathe in or get on your eyes etc. This virus hides itself from the body for quite a while so it can be some time before your body starts to fight it. If you get a bigger load of the virus, it therefore has more of a chance to take hold within you and do damage before your body has a chance to defend itself

I'm not sure about the various stages of infection and how contagious each stage is, i think they are still trying to work that out

[JerseyWins]

I mean I'm pretty sure I have it but not personally scared of it (with mild symptoms because aside for about 2 days about a week ago where I felt like I got hit with the worst flu, I've mostly just been stuck with a cold/cough & some fatigue since then)... but worried/scared for my uncle & dad who both have it confirmed and been in the hospital for a few days now trying to get better and stabilize their breathing. I'm still trying to not only quarantine in my house but away from the rest of my family as much as possible so hopefully no one else gets it in the case that I do have it as well.

[Livia]

I wish you and your family all the best, Jersey x

[Kizzy]

Right, when I think 'viral load' I think how concentrated the dose.. as in 1 droplet of fluid, say from a cough from someone infected for say 2 days would be less dangerous a dose as an identical size droplet from someone infected for 9 days?

Should you come into contact with more than one person at differing stages what happens then? Even if they are both so early in their infection they are asymptomatic many would be too compromised by this to fight it at all. :/

[Kizzy]

Thinking of you and your family Jersey x

[LaLaLand]

I mean I'm pretty sure I have it but not personally scared of it (with mild symptoms because aside for about 2 days about a week ago where I felt like I got hit with the worst flu, I've mostly just been stuck with a cold/cough & some fatigue since then)... but worried/scared for my uncle & dad who both have it confirmed and been in the hospital for a few days now trying to get better and stabilize their breathing. I'm still trying to not only quarantine in my house but away from the rest of my family as much as possible so hopefully no one else gets it in the case that I do have it as well.

Sending you and your family my best wishes Jersey. Hope all will be okay very soon.

[Kazanne]

I mean I'm pretty sure I have it but not personally scared of it (with mild symptoms because aside for about 2 days about a week ago where I felt like I got hit with the worst flu, I've mostly just been stuck with a cold/cough & some fatigue since then)... but worried/scared for my uncle & dad who both have it confirmed and been in the hospital for a few days now trying to get better and stabilize their breathing. I'm still trying to not only quarantine in my house but away from the rest of my family as much as possible so hopefully no one else gets it in the case that I do have it as well.

Wishing you well Jersey:wavey:

[JerseyWins]

Thanks all for the get well wishes and hopefully everyone recovers :love:

[Cherie]

I mean I'm pretty sure I have it but not personally scared of it (with mild symptoms because aside for about 2 days about a week ago where I felt like I got hit with the worst flu, I've mostly just been stuck with a cold/cough & some fatigue since then)... but worried/scared for my uncle & dad who both have it confirmed and been in the hospital for a few days now trying to get better and stabilize their breathing. I'm still trying to not only quarantine in my house but away from the rest of my family as much as possible so hopefully no one else gets it in the case that I do have it as well.

All the best to you all x

[GoldHeart]

We were led to believe it only killed the old or seriously Ill so I wasnt worried but now I see more younger healthier people die its making me a lot more scared of it

I'm staying indoors , I was already self isolated so I'm not worried about myself. I'm more concerned about idiots who go out without wearing gloves or a mask :facepalm:.

And I heard a disgusting news story about a vile scumbag spitting in a police officer's face saying "she hopes he catches the virus" . What a horrible person, how would she like it if she gets it :shocked: .

[MTVN]

I'm staying indoors , I was already self isolated so I'm not worried about myself. I'm more concerned about idiots who go out without wearing gloves or a mask :facepalm:.

And I heard a disgusting news story about a vile scumbag spitting in a police officer's face saying "she hopes he catches the virus" . What a horrible person, how would she like it if she gets it :shocked: .

Well that's most people who aren't wearing gloves or a mask and it's debatable how much good they both do tbf

[Kate!]

I think I may have the virus in a mild form. Not sure tbh. I was overly hot last night..
Still am and have slept all day today. Feel exhausted.

[Denver]

I'm staying indoors , I was already self isolated so I'm not worried about myself. I'm more concerned about idiots who go out without wearing gloves or a mask :facepalm:.

And I heard a disgusting news story about a vile scumbag spitting in a police officer's face saying "she hopes he catches the virus" . What a horrible person, how would she like it if she gets it :shocked: .

They have confirmed that Gloves are useless especially when your touching your phone, keys,shopping at whatever with them on

[GoldHeart]

Well that's most people who aren't wearing gloves or a mask and it's debatable how much good they both do tbf

Did you see the NHS staff , they have the full suit and everything to protect. I know they're most at risk . But if you're going out without protection then you're also at risk.

This isn't a joke, people are dying literally ! .

[Kate!]

My anxiety or panic disorder that I suffer with is mostly health-related so it’s through the roof atm with all of this.

Panic attack symptoms around the clock in different forms, to the point where I haven’t been able to gulp a drink for over a week because my throat feels like it’s constricting. Horrible.

Aww I am sorry to hear about this Lala. I know how horrible panic attacks are. Xx

[GoldHeart]

They have confirmed that Gloves are useless especially when your touching your phone, keys,shopping at whatever with them on

Be that as it may , you can still take those precautions. And I don't know about you but I have antibacterial wipes. Plus Washing of hands aswell regularly.

[user104658]

I mean I'm pretty sure I have it but not personally scared of it (with mild symptoms because aside for about 2 days about a week ago where I felt like I got hit with the worst flu, I've mostly just been stuck with a cold/cough & some fatigue since then)... but worried/scared for my uncle & dad who both have it confirmed and been in the hospital for a few days now trying to get better and stabilize their breathing. I'm still trying to not only quarantine in my house but away from the rest of my family as much as possible so hopefully no one else gets it in the case that I do have it as well.

You could have post-viral fatigue, the cough persisting after the virus has cleared (for several weeks) is apparently very common. Official NHS advice is that you're not at risk of infecting others after 14 days have passed from symptoms starting, so long as you don't have a temperature. You can actually return to work (those who even still have work) with the cough. That comes directly from NHS occupational health.

Obviously it's fine to be as cautious as you want to be, though.

[Beso]

I think there are(and has been) a few strains if this virus.

Chances are imo most of us are immune or have had it earlier in december before it mutated...


I pray it don't mutate again.

[GoldHeart]

I think there are(and has been) a few strains if this virus.

Chances are imo most of us are immune or have had it earlier in december before it mutated...


I pray it don't mutate again.

The covid-19 was around in December , but we were not aware of it until the outbreak in January.

The problem is there's always been weird bugs and flu going around, but it makes you wonder as the covid-19 symptoms are very similar to other virus flu's .

Hopefully once you've had it then you're immune, or maybe some of us are already immune :shrug: .

Either way precautions are important, and this social distancing needs to be taken seriously .

[Cherie]

Did you see the NHS staff , they have the full suit and everything to protect. I know they're most at risk . But if you're going out without protection then you're also at risk.

This isn't a joke, people are dying literally ! .

The NHS staff are getting up close with patients, you should be 2m away from the person next to you when out

[GoldHeart]

The NHS staff are getting up close with patients, you should be 2m away from the person next to you when out

They have to get close as they're treating the patients, hence all the equipment protection gear they're wearing.

Problem is not everyone is following the 2m rule when they go out galavanting, I know most people are listening though.

[Kizzy]

I think I may have the virus in a mild form. Not sure tbh. I was overly hot last night..
Still am and have slept all day today. Feel exhausted.

Aw kate no, hopefully it's just a 24hr bug. Have some hot drinks as hot as you can stand. Get some antiseptic lozenges like strepsils, let us know how you are x

[user104658]

I think there are(and has been) a few strains if this virus.

Chances are imo most of us are immune or have had it earlier in december before it mutated...


I pray it don't mutate again.There are probably dozens of strains but that's normal, the variations between strains are usually small and being immune from one means being immune from all (or at least most) strains. If there's a major mutation, then it can be a different story. There are numerous measles strains for example but you only need the vaccine for "Measles A" and then you should be immune to all strains.


On a more positive note; most novel (new in humans) viruses become LESS severe in terms of symptoms / risk of death as they mutate over time. Viruses don't actually "want" the host to die - they want to exist as quietly as possible to spread as far as possible and live as long as possible in their host,so they become less severe as they adapt to human physiology.

They CAN mutate into something "worse" but its actually quite rare.

[Beso]

There are probably dozens of strains but that's normal, the variations between strains are usually small and being immune from one means being immune from all (or at least most) strains. If there's a major mutation, then it can be a different story. There are numerous measles strains for example but you only need the vaccine for "Measles A" and then you should be immune to all strains.


On a more positive note; most novel (new in humans) viruses become LESS severe in terms of symptoms / risk of death as they mutate over time. Viruses don't actually "want" the host to die - they want to exist as quietly as possible to spread as far as possible and live as long as possible in their host,so they become less severe as they adapt to human physiology.

They CAN mutate into something "worse" but its actually quite rare.



This ones got spikes..That's no very quiet :nono:

[Kizzy]

Well that's most people who aren't wearing gloves or a mask and it's debatable how much good they both do tbf

I can't understand this logic. It's debatable how much good they do?

At work I wear gloves, I wash my hands with the gloves on dozens of times in a 12hr shift, this keeps both my hands protected from the constant washing and my gloves clean.

As long as you treat your gloved hands in the same manner you would an ungloved hand in the circumstances what's the difference?

With masks most it seems are disposable and therefore are only effective for a time, that said were they not effective why are they worn at all?...why have they been staple PPE for generations?

Ideally for me PPE should be just that, personal, as in reusable... washable, with a filter. These could be manufactured cheaply and easily or homemade.

What evidence is there that PPE of this kind does not do any good out of interest?..Sounds like misinformation to me tbf.

[user104658]

This ones got spikes..That's no very quiet :nono:

Ebola is pretty much the worst virus known to man and it looks like a cock 'n' balls.

https://news.vumc.org/wp-content/uploads/Ebola_virus_fi.jpg

[Vanessa]

I think I may have the virus in a mild form. Not sure tbh. I was overly hot last night..
Still am and have slept all day today. Feel exhausted.

Drink water, it's very important. And hot drinks. If you can eat, have some soup.

[MTVN]

I can't understand this logic. It's debatable how much good they do?

At work I wear gloves, I wash my hands with the gloves on dozens of times in a 12hr shift, this keeps both my hands protected from the constant washing and my gloves clean.

As long as you treat your gloved hands in the same manner you would an ungloved hand in the circumstances what's the difference?

With masks most it seems are disposable and therefore are only effective for a time, that said were they not effective why are they worn at all?...why have they been staple PPE for generations?

Ideally for me PPE should be just that, personal, as in reusable... washable, with a HEPA filter. These could be manufactured cheaply and easily or homemade.

What evidence is there that PPE of this kind does not do any good out of interest?..Sounds like misinformation to me tbf.

Well that's the thing, you do have to do everything just the same with gloves on as if you weren't wearing any gloves. People can think they're safe with gloves on but can still infect themselves just as easily. And the advice with masks has always been that you should wear them if you're symptomatic or if you're caring for someone. I didn't say they do no good and obviously it doesn't hurt to wear them but people aren't 'idiots' if they're not wearing them

[The Slim Reaper]

Ebola is pretty much the worst virus known to man and it looks like a cock 'n' balls.

https://news.vumc.org/wp-content/uploads/Ebola_virus_fi.jpg

Can't be that bad if it doesn't have the requisite sperm drops drawn in.

[GoldHeart]

Well that's the thing, you do have to do everything just the same with gloves on as if you weren't wearing any gloves. People can think they're safe with gloves on but can still infect themselves just as easily. And the advice with masks has always been that you should wear them if you're symptomatic or if you're caring for someone. I didn't say they do no good and obviously it doesn't hurt to wear them but people aren't 'idiots' if they're not wearing them


At this time , things have took such a vast turn . I believe everyone should be wearing masks & gloves when going out. If not then atleast cover your face with a scarf or something.

All you have to do is disinfect everything when you get home, you're supposed to wash your hands when you get back home anyway.

Also wipe down post & deliveries , to reduce risk of germs.

[Kizzy]

Well that's the thing, you do have to do everything just the same with gloves on as if you weren't wearing any gloves. People can think they're safe with gloves on but can still infect themselves just as easily. And the advice with masks has always been that you should wear them if you're symptomatic or if you're caring for someone. I didn't say they do no good and obviously it doesn't hurt to wear them but people aren't 'idiots' if they're not wearing them

I amended the post you quoted it had said HEPA fliter, thinking they were what masks were...they're not.
I still stand by the use of a mask of some description.
If you have it but are asymptomatic then what?...
'It's debatable how much good they do' for me says you don't necessarily feel they do any good, It depends on the circumstances whether I feel people are idiots for not wearing one. Personally even if you had mild asthma I would wear one if you have to work or are out shopping say.

[Nicky91]

the virus itself doesn't make me feel scared


the fact we got dumb idiotic governments and health authorities in europe and america does make me feel scared :bored:

[Crimson Dynamo]

|If you wear a mask for more than an hour the moisture on it from your breath makes at much more attractable to airborne virus particles than your naked face ever would be

gloves are pointless unless changed 5 times an hour

[Crimson Dynamo]

the virus itself doesn't make me feel scared


the fact we got dumb idiotic governments and health authorities in europe and america does make me feel scared :bored:

the EU CMO has just resigned

[user104658]

|If you wear a mask for more than an hour the moisture on it from your breath makes at much more attractable to airborne virus particles than your naked face ever would be

gloves are pointless unless changed 5 times an hourMasks are effective when worn by the INFECTED - this is a message that has never really sunk in. They catch coughs and sneezes and make it less likely that surfaces will become contaminated. They do little to nothing for healthy people and as you say if they become damp they can actually make things worse.

Gloves are pointless if your hands are in good condition and you always remember to wash them after you've been "out and about" before you touch your face or anything else. Also most people have no idea how to safely remove and dispose of gloves without getting whatever was on the glove on their hand anyway.

However if you have cuts, or dry/cracked skin on your hands like Parmy, then gloves are a very good idea.

[Kate!]

Aw kate no, hopefully it's just a 24hr bug. Have some hot drinks as hot as you can stand. Get some antiseptic lozenges like strepsils, let us know how you are x

I am feeling much better today. Just a bit tired. Think I just thought oh no I may have the virus. My boyf slept on the couch just in case. Not as hot as I was. Xx

[GoldHeart]

I am feeling much better today. Just a bit tired. Think I just thought oh no I may have the virus. My boyf slept on the couch just in case. Not as hot as I was. Xx

When was the last time you left the house? . Do you think you caught it in a supermarket?.

[arista]

I think there are(and has been) a few strains if this virus.

Chances are imo most of us are immune or have had it earlier in december before it mutated...


I pray it don't mutate again.


No some get a few droplets

Others get the Full Sneeze
which is the Killer

[arista]

I am feeling much better today. Just a bit tired. Think I just thought oh no I may have the virus. My boyf slept on the couch just in case. Not as hot as I was. Xx


Thats good

So many assume it's got to be Covid 19

Like Celebs staying with their
Daughter who just has a mild cough

[James]

I think I may have the virus in a mild form. Not sure tbh. I was overly hot last night..
Still am and have slept all day today. Feel exhausted.

I am feeling much better today. Just a bit tired. Think I just thought oh no I may have the virus. My boyf slept on the couch just in case. Not as hot as I was. Xx

Did you take your temperature? I was looking for the thermometer I think I have but I haven't found it yet.

[GoldHeart]

I'm surprised Wuhan has lifted the lockdown, I think it's too early !! . They had the most deaths !! :facepalm: :shocked: .

[Denver]

Ebola is pretty much the worst virus known to man and it looks like a cock 'n' balls.

https://news.vumc.org/wp-content/uploads/Ebola_virus_fi.jpg

Poor TS having a bent skinny penis