#ClapforBoris 8pm tonight

[Denver]

Is anyone doing this? It seems to be trending all over social media as a support for the PM.

I'm in 2 minds about it, I'm all for supporting the PM but the more the claps happen the more it devalues them?

[MB.]

No

[bots]

seems completely over the top to me, so i won't be doing it

[Jigs]

Realistically we never needed to clap more than once, so no.

[Kizzy]

Not specifically for boris no but all victims, it's a full moon so an outpouring of good will is an excellent idea.

[Scarlett.]

It should be a clap for all those suffering through this, if anything

[user104658]

Not specifically for boris no but all victims, it's a full moon so an outpouring of good will is an excellent idea.The moon was INCREDIBLE last night, I'm really hoping it's clear tonight, might set up the telescope.

However we will quietly look at the moon and ponder, we won't be clapping or drumming on tupperware. I've come to accept that if it helps people at all to do these things, then they should by all means go ahead... but it's not for me personally.

[arista]

seems completely over the top to me, so i won't be doing it


Very true

[Kazanne]

The moon was INCREDIBLE last night, I'm really hoping it's clear tonight, might set up the telescope.

However we will quietly look at the moon and ponder, we won't be clapping or drumming on tupperware. I've come to accept that if it helps people at all to do these things, then they should by all means go ahead... but it's not for me personally.

We noticed the moon last night it was amazing,and tonight is said it will be the same,so will be looking out for it and yes we will probably cheering and clapping as the children find it fun so it takes their mind off things a bit, also its a chance to see the neighbours.

[Cherie]

Super Moon tonight

No I wont be clapping, I thought once was enough

[Matthew.]

It should be a clap for all those suffering through this, if anything

:clap1:

[Saph]

everyone should clap for me for being bored ****less

[Shaun]

#ClapForSaphsBritneyRanking - happening at 4am on Thursday April 9, please take part everyone xx

[Saph]

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Elliot]

What has Boris done that’s particularly heroic or worthy of admiration in the same vein as nhs workers?

[Denver]

What has Boris done that’s particularly heroic or worthy of admiration in the same vein as nhs workers?

Tbh he has had a tough year as prime minister and during this pandemic we need a strong prime minister to help get through it

[Kizzy]

What has Boris done that’s particularly heroic or worthy of admiration in the same vein as nhs workers?

Don't. .. it's a can of worms.

My Facebook feed is a no go area atm, I'd be lynched if I spoke my mind on this one publicly :laugh:

[bots]

Don't. .. it's a can of worms.

My Facebook feed is a no go area atm, I'd be lynched if I spoke my mind on this one publicly :laugh:

i do actually agree on this one. Every human life lost is a tragedy, they all play a role within their family unit. I don't honestly know why people are continuing this clapping ritual because it lessens the perception of appreciation for the NHS

[The Slim Reaper]

I hope he pulls through, the same as everyone who is suffering at the moment, but is this really the guy that deserves applause?

n3NAx3tsy-k

[Smithy]

I don’t think so

[Liam-]

I hope he pulls through, the same as everyone who is suffering at the moment, but is this really the guy that deserves applause?

n3NAx3tsy-k

Considering all the ‘put them all together and refuse them medical help’ comments all over the internet about the Joe Soaps not social distancing, it’s a bit of an response to a man who willingly, publicly, and proudly flaunted all of his own rules to a ridiculous level.

I hope he gets better, but, clap for a man that did this to himself and probably passed it onto others? Makes no sense

[Withano]

Nah cos I don’t want to

[MTVN]

I hope he pulls through, the same as everyone who is suffering at the moment, but is this really the guy that deserves applause?

n3NAx3tsy-k

People keep acting like he said this two weeks ago - when he made that comment we had 51 cases. We now have 55,000

Obviously in hindsight it looks stupid but let's not act like we were all practicing social distancing back then or appreciated the importance of it. I also fail to see how it should disqualify him from receiving a show of support when he's critically ill in hospital

[JerseyWins]

This sounds nice :clap1:

It's crazy to me that someone of his stature is struggling with this when he's probably getting top-of-the-line aid (and is fairly healthy?) :worry:

[Jordan.]

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[Jake.]

I wish him a speedy recovery, but no. My thoughts are with everyone who is ill with the virus.

No doubt he has the best possible care atm too.

[Smithy]

When are we clapping for lady Gaga that’s the important question

[The Slim Reaper]

People keep acting like he said this two weeks ago - when he made that comment we had 51 cases. We now have 55,000

Obviously in hindsight it looks stupid but let's not act like we were all practicing social distancing back then or appreciated the importance of it. I also fail to see how it should disqualify him from receiving a show of support when he's critically ill in hospital

This is the guy that access to all of the information from across the world; including the sensitive undisclosed data that we wouldn't, it's not some random dude called Dave who works in oddbins.

[Brother Leon]

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[Black Dagger]

Nope

[rusticgal]

What has Boris done that’s particularly heroic or worthy of admiration in the same vein as nhs workers?


He’s been doing his job like the NHS...he has had to make BIG decisions that has an enormous effect on the people of this country. He leads the country with positivity and charisma..
I will be clapping him...but also every other person in this vulnerable situation.

[Daniel-X]

No luv.

[user104658]

This sounds nice :clap1:

It's crazy to me that someone of his stature is struggling with this when he's probably getting top-of-the-line aid (and is fairly healthy?) :worry:He's a 55 year old male.

I don't mean that to sound flippant but the data is the data; risk of complications increases exponentially at 50+ and risk has been consistently higher for men. He's in the "Low ranges" of the riskier categories, but he's in there.

Hancock for example is 41 and recovered in under a week without complications.

Its not an exact science but the trends are extremely strong. The number of men aged 50-60 who get "worse than mild" is small compared to, say, the over-75's but its huge compared to under-45's.

He's also in a high-stress, high-pressure position and chose to continue working which won't have helped at all.

Also worth saying that, as things stand right now, his condition seems to be "the bad end of moderate"... He's not at this point in severe condition, and certainly not critical.

[bots]

He's a 55 year old male.

I don't mean that to sound flippant but the data is the data; risk of complications increases exponentially at 50+ and risk has been consistently higher for men. He's in the "Low ranges" of the riskier categories, but he's in there.

Hancock for example is 41 and recovered in under a week without complications.

Its not an exact science but the trends are extremely strong. The number of men aged 50-60 who get "worse than mild" is small compared to, say, the over-75's but its huge compared to under-45's.

He's also in a high-stress, high-pressure position and chose to continue working which won't have helped at all.

Also worth saying that, as things stand right now, his condition seems to be "the bad end of moderate"... He's not at this point in severe condition, and certainly not critical.

we don't know that. When you start to deteriorate with this virus it happens quickly. Stable, is not a term used to describe someone that is out of danger

[GoldHeart]

No I won't be clapping , but as I said it's a very worrying time but he is getting the treatment he needs in hospital.

[user104658]

we don't know that. When you start to deteriorate with this virus it happens quickly. Stable, is not a term used to describe someone that is out of dangerHe doesn't currently have pneumonia and is not on ventilator. This has been reported quite widely. Severe condition for Covid-19 is active pneumonia. Critical condition is ventilator.

We don't know that he won't deteriorate further but going on anything other than the current/most recent information released is speculative. The most recent information is that he's not in severe condition. :shrug:

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[The Slim Reaper]

He’s been doing his job like the NHS...he has had to make BIG decisions that has an enormous effect on the people of this country. He leads the country with positivity and charisma..
I will be clapping him...but also every other person in this vulnerable situation.

Boris voted against it too. Listen to the tory cheers. Don't compare boris to the NHS.

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[caprimint]

People keep acting like he said this two weeks ago - when he made that comment we had 51 cases. We now have 55,000

Obviously in hindsight it looks stupid but let's not act like we were all practicing social distancing back then or appreciated the importance of it. I also fail to see how it should disqualify him from receiving a show of support when he's critically ill in hospital
Omg RIGHT?!?!?!?!?

Like I really don't think any clapping is necessary to begin with, but it's funny how as soon as Boris gets corona there are so many people suddenly against the idea when they were all for clapping for the NHS. :think:

Boris deserves it as much as the NHS for all of the hard work he's done, for running the country and doing his best even when he felt like ****.

[user104658]

Omg RIGHT?!?!?!?!?



Like I really don't think any clapping is necessary to begin with, but it's funny how as soon as Boris gets corona there are so many people suddenly against the idea when they were all for clapping for the NHS. :think:
.

Ahem if you check in general chat you'll find a thread where I was furious about the clapping for the NHS lark to the point where it upset poor Parmy so I personally have been quite consistent :hmph:.

In fact if anything my stance has softened. If people want to clap because it makes them feel better than whatever... Go for it. I still maintain that it means nothing to NHS workers (or Boris for that matter) and people are mainly doing it for their own wellbeing... Makes them feel like they're "doing something helpful".

[Saph]

literally no one up my road was out tonight :skull: compared to thursday when the whole neighborhood was like a street party

[Kazanne]

Omg RIGHT?!?!?!?!?

Like I really don't think any clapping is necessary to begin with, but it's funny how as soon as Boris gets corona there are so many people suddenly against the idea when they were all for clapping for the NHS. :think:

Boris deserves it as much as the NHS for all of the hard work he's done, for running the country and doing his best even when he felt like ****.

:clap1::clap1:

[LaLaLand]

literally no one up my road was out tonight :skull: compared to thursday when the whole neighborhood was like a street party

Same here. I waited by the door for about 5 minutes but there was nothing. I didn’t want to clap myself alone! :hehe:

[caprimint]

Ahem if you check in general chat you'll find a thread where I was furious about the clapping for the NHS lark to the point where it upset poor Parmy so I personally have been quite consistent :hmph:.

In fact if anything my stance has softened. If people want to clap because it makes them feel better than whatever... Go for it. I still maintain that it means nothing to NHS workers (or Boris for that matter) and people are mainly doing it for their own wellbeing... Makes them feel like they're "doing something helpful".
:laugh: I didn't mean you

I totally agree with your second paragraph btw

[Beso]

I would have, but I think clapping can spread the virus from your hands into the atmosphere.

[caprimint]

I would gave but I think clapping can spread the virus from your hands into the atmosphere.
Omg you're STILL on fire :joker:

[Kash Doll]

Rather chop my hands off chile

[Withano]

Nah cos I don’t want to

Nor did anybody in my neighbourhood

[Smithy]

Omg RIGHT?!?!?!?!?

Like I really don't think any clapping is necessary to begin with, but it's funny how as soon as Boris gets corona there are so many people suddenly against the idea when they were all for clapping for the NHS. :think:

Boris deserves it as much as the NHS for all of the hard work he's done, for running the country and doing his best even when he felt like ****.

Excuse me for not wanting to clap some bigot who calls gays, tank top bum boys or Muslim women letterboxes, I don’t care how hard he works, he gets paid a **** load to do his job, the difference between him and NHS/Key workers is they don’t

[Mitchell]

Excuse me for not wanting to clap some bigot who calls gays, tank top bum boys or Muslim women letterboxes, I don’t care how hard he works, he gets paid a **** load to do his job, the difference between him and NHS/Key workers is they don’t

:clap1:
I’ll clap for Smithy tbh

[user104658]

I would have, but I think clapping can spread the virus from your hands into the atmosphere.:think: this is up there with 5G nanobots.

[Kizzy]

I didn't hear any clapping, personally I think comparing him to NHS workers is vomit inducing.

[Kash Doll]

Clapping just cause someone’s ill is abit patronising omg

[user104658]

I didn't hear any clapping, personally I think comparing him to NHS workers is vomit inducing.Indeed. I'm not wishing him harm (or dead) because he's still a human being, but even if one somehow believes him to be doing a good job lately - no one should forget that the NHS would have been much more robust and better prepared for this if it wasn't for the Tories, and Boris himself. They've underfunded and undermined it for ten years and they've been jeering and clapping the entire time. I personally hope he's having a very long, hard think whilst under NHS care this week.

[Kizzy]

Indeed. I'm not wishing him harm (or dead) because he's still a human being, but even if one somehow believes him to be doing a good job lately - no one should forget that the NHS would have been much more robust and better prepared for this if it wasn't for the Tories, and Boris himself. They've underfunded and undermined it for ten years and they've been jeering and clapping the entire time. I personally hope he's having a very long, hard think whilst under NHS care this week.
:clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: Now THAT'S worthy of applause!!

[Mitchell]

Indeed. I'm not wishing him harm (or dead) because he's still a human being, but even if one somehow believes him to be doing a good job lately - no one should forget that the NHS would have been much more robust and better prepared for this if it wasn't for the Tories, and Boris himself. They've underfunded and undermined it for ten years and they've been jeering and clapping the entire time. I personally hope he's having a very long, hard think whilst under NHS care this week.

Exactly my thoughts, I don’t want anyone to die from this, unfortunately he disagreed.

[Beso]

:think: this is up there with 5G nanobots.

Just wait until your hands start cracking from washing them constantly, the virus will seep into the open sores easier ...


I hope you moisturise after each wash TS.

[user104658]

Just wait until your hands start cracking from washing them constantly, the virus will see pinto the open sores easier ...





I hope you moisturise after each wash TS.I use fairy liquid 'cos those old adverts told me it would keep my hands nice and soft :hee:

Now haaands free from Covid can feel soft as your faaace... With miiild greeeeen... Fairy Liquid.



In all seriousness though, yes dry/cracked hands are vulnerable to infection. But clapping your hands isn't going to puff clouds of virus into the atmosphere...

[Smithy]

:clap1:
I’ll clap for Smithy tbh

:hee:

[user104658]

Also my hands are baby soft because I've never done a day's manual labour in my life :joker:.

Well, I did hang a door last week. One of my proudest moments to be quite honest. DIY SOS right here.

[Beso]

I use fairy liquid 'cos those old adverts told me it would keep my hands nice and soft :hee:

Now haaands free from Covid can feel soft as your faaace... With miiild greeeeen... Fairy Liquid.



In all seriousness though, yes dry/cracked hands are vulnerable to infection. But clapping your hands isn't going to puff clouds of virus into the atmosphere...



What about dry flakey hands people when they remove thier gloves like a two day old sock when it's removed from a builders foot..you can see all the dust and flaked skin puffing from the sock if you turn it inside out for the third days wear.

Why would a glove be different..?

So if the glove stores dried lakes off skin like the sock does...who's to say clapping dry hands doesn't release small particles of skin covered in corona snot into the wind?..all that piling down from tower blocks into the elderly in the bottom flats.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Indeed. I'm not wishing him harm (or dead) because he's still a human being, but even if one somehow believes him to be doing a good job lately - no one should forget that the NHS would have been much more robust and better prepared for this if it wasn't for the Tories, and Boris himself. They've underfunded and undermined it for ten years and they've been jeering and clapping the entire time. I personally hope he's having a very long, hard think whilst under NHS care this week.

It's simply not true. The NHS is so badly run no matter who the government is it's always one step away from a crisis. Its not fit for purpose and pretending it's the Tory government fault is part of the problem.

[Mitchell]

It's simply not true. The NHS is so badly run no matter who the government is it's always one step away from a crisis. Its not fit for purpose and pretending it's the Tory government fault is part of the problem.

Don’t remember seeing other parties cheering when they won a vote not to give NHS staff a pay rise...

[Kizzy]

It's simply not true. The NHS is so badly run no matter who the government is it's always one step away from a crisis. Its not fit for purpose and pretending it's the Tory government fault is part of the problem.

Nope... more misinformation the NHS was self sustaining untill the profitable parts were tendered.

[Jake.]

Indeed. I'm not wishing him harm (or dead) because he's still a human being, but even if one somehow believes him to be doing a good job lately - no one should forget that the NHS would have been much more robust and better prepared for this if it wasn't for the Tories, and Boris himself. They've underfunded and undermined it for ten years and they've been jeering and clapping the entire time. I personally hope he's having a very long, hard think whilst under NHS care this week.

My sentiments exactly

[Marsh.]

Also my hands are baby soft because I've never done a day's manual labour in my life :joker:.

Well, I did hang a door last week. One of my proudest moments to be quite honest. DIY SOS right here.

Your poor family waiting for the day it topples off and causes damage. :worry:

[Kazanne]

It's simply not true. The NHS is so badly run no matter who the government is it's always one step away from a crisis. Its not fit for purpose and pretending it's the Tory government fault is part of the problem.

I agree the NHS are not faultless, some of their admin is terribly run and money wasted because of some peoples greed and inability to run it properly,it is a collection of faults not totally a governments, the fat cats at the top of the NHS need to take some responsibility, The NHS is a wonderful thing we have in this country but its not beyond abuse afterall its run by humans.

[GoldHeart]

Think what you want about the NHS , it's still a million times better than the American health system! .

If you want to know what real greed & profiteers are , just look at the mess America is in with their health care.

[Kazanne]

Think what you want about the NHS , it's still a million times better than the American health system! .

If you want to know what real greed & profiteers are , just look at the mess America is in with their health care.

I think we all love the NHS, Im not interested in what America do with thiers, Our doctors and nurses are second to none (most of them) but some of the fat cats are not so wonderful.

[GoldHeart]

I think we all love the NHS, Im not interested in what America do with thiers, Our doctors and nurses are second to none (most of them) but some of the fat cats are not so wonderful.

Well I'm interested , America is the richest country. Health care should be free. You're talking about the fat cats which yes I agree ,but what about talks of the government privatising the NHS???.

Can you imagine god forbid if we ever ended up like that , having to pay and sort out health insurance. The country would collapse, and more people would die .

As horrific and depressing this pandemic is , hopefully some good can come out of it in protecting our NHS.

Boris being in intensive care should make him realise how important the service is and that it's NOT for sale!. This is a scary time.

[Livia]

The trouble with the NHS is, look at the funding they got 30 or 40 years ago, look at the funding they get now, then think about the equipment they use now compared to 30 or 40 years ago. The cost of some of the NHS equipment is astronomical. And I think there's a lot of money wasted on prescribing drugs people don't need and on missed appointments.

[Denver]

So there is a #Clap4Adam tonight

[GoldHeart]

That's why more funds and resources are needed for the NHS .

I think the ones who can afford to , should be putting money into helping the NHS instead of wasting money.

Well in an ideal world prescription drugs wouldn't cost so much, but as usual pharmacy companies just want to profit.

[Tom4784]

No, I found the clapping to be a pointless gesture in the first place. If you want to help the NHS, stick to the rules of the lockdown, give to charities or funds for the workers or volunteer if you aren't vulnerable. Clapping does little when most NHS workers just want people to stay inside.

I'm not going to clap for someone who leads the party that's helped put the NHS under immense financial strain. I don't wish him harm but I'm not gonna waste my time on pointless gestures. He'll take the credit for the unprecedented things the Tories have done to help but I'm more willing to apply the true credit to the likes of Rishi Sunak.

[Tom4784]

Also you should definitely care to learn about the horrors of the US healthcare system, if we aren't careful and critical of the government it could easily become our healthcare system.

[GoldHeart]

Also you should definitely care to learn about the horrors of the US healthcare system, if we aren't careful and critical of the government it could easily become our healthcare system.

Exactly what I've been saying too .

[user104658]

There are huge administrative problems within the NHS and a lot of poor management and ineffective leadership, that much is true, but I'm not sure how anyone could possibly think that the solution to that problem is funding cuts, low pay for front line staff, or a shift to privitisation.

Government should have been providing world-class funding AND addressing the other issues at the same time. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the government... where the NHS has been mismanaged that should have been addressed as a separate issue. Instead they used it as an excuse to say "you'd have plenty of money if you managed it better" and cut funding expecting (supposedly) that the problem would then "have to" fix itself. Which of course it did not, management did not improve, and services suffered further. But then they didn't expect funding cuts to fix it, it was just an excuse to cut funding that they wanted to cut anyway and push for privitisation.

We're now getting a stark look at why private healthcare systems are a disaster and hopefully the Tories are paying attention.

[GoldHeart]

There are huge administrative problems within the NHS and a lot of poor management and ineffective leadership, that much is true, but I'm not sure how anyone could possibly think that the solution to that problem is funding cuts, low pay for front line staff, or a shift to privitisation.

Government should have been providing world-class funding AND addressing the other issues at the same time. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the government... where the NHS has been mismanaged that should have been addressed as a separate issue. Instead they used it as an excuse to say "you'd have plenty of money if you managed it better" and cut funding expecting (supposedly) that the problem would then "have to" fix itself. Which of course it did not, management did not improve, and services suffered further. But then they didn't expect funding cuts to fix it, it was just an excuse to cut funding that they wanted to cut anyway and push for privitisation.

We're now getting a stark look at why private healthcare systems are a disaster and hopefully the Tories are paying attention.


That's why I'm hoping some good comes out of this horrible pandemic!, Boris being in intensive care should be a wake up call for him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are huge administrative problems within the NHS and a lot of poor management and ineffective leadership, that much is true, but I'm not sure how anyone could possibly think that the solution to that problem is funding cuts, low pay for front line staff, or a shift to privitisation.

Government should have been providing world-class funding AND addressing the other issues at the same time. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the government... where the NHS has been mismanaged that should have been addressed as a separate issue. Instead they used it as an excuse to say "you'd have plenty of money if you managed it better" and cut funding expecting (supposedly) that the problem would then "have to" fix itself. Which of course it did not, management did not improve, and services suffered further. But then they didn't expect funding cuts to fix it, it was just an excuse to cut funding that they wanted to cut anyway and push for privitisation.

We're now getting a stark look at why private healthcare systems are a disaster and hopefully the Tories are paying attention.

When we get angry by other organisations who are poorly run by well paid execs– the police, the BBC, utility companies, supermarkets, banks, the Church – we have a right go at those who run them

WHen its the NHS (I think because most folk dont see who runs it and dont understand) its never their fault its always "da government)


Labour bang on about how the NHS is the envy of the world but they never mention why no one copies it...

[Livia]

I didn't clap for Boris, I didn't clap for the NHS either because there's no one anywhere near me to hear. If people want to clap, that's up to them.Who am I to tell people what they should be doing?

[The Slim Reaper]

Propaganda in full effect

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVE_pYsUYAADACQ?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVE_qvTUYAEkU04?format=jpg&name=medium

[user104658]

When we get angry by other organisations who are poorly run by well paid execs– the police, the BBC, utility companies, supermarkets, banks, the Church – we have a right go at those who run them



WHen its the NHS (I think because most folk dont see who runs it and dont understand) its never their fault its always "da government)





Labour bang on about how the NHS is the envy of the world but they never mention why no one copies it...

The NHS is the world's first example of universal healthcare and there are now 18 first world countries with Universal healthcare, and many more working towards it.

So yes... a lot of people have "copied it".

The problem with being "first" of course is that the NHS didn't have the benefit of other countries experience in order to make tweaks in the set up, and thus has deep roots in an outdated system.

The answer is making the effort to fix it, not underfunding or dismantling it, or shifting to an insurance model.

[Kizzy]

There are huge administrative problems within the NHS and a lot of poor management and ineffective leadership, that much is true, but I'm not sure how anyone could possibly think that the solution to that problem is funding cuts, low pay for front line staff, or a shift to privitisation.

Government should have been providing world-class funding AND addressing the other issues at the same time. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the government... where the NHS has been mismanaged that should have been addressed as a separate issue. Instead they used it as an excuse to say "you'd have plenty of money if you managed it better" and cut funding expecting (supposedly) that the problem would then "have to" fix itself. Which of course it did not, management did not improve, and services suffered further. But then they didn't expect funding cuts to fix it, it was just an excuse to cut funding that they wanted to cut anyway and push for privitisation.

We're now getting a stark look at why private healthcare systems are a disaster and hopefully the Tories are paying attention.

Yep yep and yep. Managers with no clinical expertise cannot run departments effectively imo, you can't run the NHS like a business.. it's just not possible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yep yep and yep. Managers with no clinical expertise cannot run departments effectively imo, you can't run the NHS like a business.. it's just not possible.

and its even more impossible to run it any other way

[Kizzy]

and its even more impossible to run it any other way

Not true it was run very effectively for decades before the restructuring.

[Kizzy]

Propaganda in full effect

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVE_pYsUYAADACQ?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVE_qvTUYAEkU04?format=jpg&name=medium
Urgh!! Now this type of thing should be fined, deliberate lies and misinformation.

[bots]

the NHS has not been run effectively in my life time and that spans many tory and labour governments. Neither have been in charge of a good NHS