Figures now predict UK will pass Italy in total CoVid deaths

[Smithy]

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I can’t believe Italy was seen as a disaster, we’re set to surpass them in deaths and the press seem to think the government has done a good job, it’s terrifying

[Crimson Dynamo]

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I can’t believe Italy was seen as a disaster, we’re set to surpass them in deaths and the press seem to think the government has done a good job, it’s terrifying

What speculation is this from?

[user104658]

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I can’t believe Italy was seen as a disaster, we’re set to surpass them in deaths and the press seem to think the government has done a good job, it’s terrifyingItaly was a disaster because healthcare services crumbled and people were dying on trolleys in the hallways without medical attention... Which thankfully hasn't happened in the UK (as yet, and hopefully won't at any point).

Lots of factors play into the total deaths. The situation in London (much like New York) means that the UK will have high deaths overall, unfortunately.

[MTVN]

That's always been the case in that guys graph tbf. They're interesting but different graphs tell different stories. His starting point is ten deaths for example, whereas if you have 50 deaths as the starting point then we're - just - still tracking behind Italy, as we are if you do it from the first death

This is a graph from 50 deaths

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Tbh I don't think anyone has been that critical of how Italy have handled it either. Their death count is disastrous but I wouldn't blame them for that, every government is trying to do their best in impossible circumstances

[Josy]

Those stats are completely different to the cobra graphs yesterday

[arista]

Those stats are completely different to the cobra graphs yesterday


Yes Ed Conway
the Great Money Reporter
in the Times
and on SkyNewsHD

[Kizzy]

For anyone who thinks this was totally unexpected and we has no chance of being prepared watch from 3.00 in...

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[Smithy]

Italy was a disaster because healthcare services crumbled and people were dying on trolleys in the hallways without medical attention... Which thankfully hasn't happened in the UK (as yet, and hopefully won't at any point).

Lots of factors play into the total deaths. The situation in London (much like New York) means that the UK will have high deaths overall, unfortunately.

980 Brits died in the last 24 hours. That's the worst 24 hour death toll of any European country. I mean...

[user104658]

980 Brits died in the last 24 hours. That's the worst 24 hour death toll of any European country. I mean...London is the second busiest International city in the world, the rest of the UK stats are pretty average.

And like I said, the disaster in Italy was that healthcare services were in absolute chaos which hasn't happened in the UK yet.

Also earlier projected deaths for today were 1750.

[GoldHeart]

Oh lovely more depressing news :bored:

[arista]

Bloody Smithy
Wrong

Italy:18,849
USA : 18,777
Spain: 16,353
France :13,197
UK : 8,958



Change Your Wrong Title Bitch
please


Its USA will Over take Italy

[arista]

Oh lovely more depressing news :bored:


His Data all WRONG

[arista]

980 Brits died in the last 24 hours. That's the worst 24 hour death toll of any European country. I mean...


If only you looked at the Worldwide Updates?

You Forget USA

[Livia]

If only you looked at the Worldwide Updates?

You Forget USA

You have to take into account the size of the US population before you can draw any kind of comparison with them.

[arista]

What speculation is this from?


He Ignores the Live USA amount on CNN HD
I am shocked he can not view bigger Public data than
just us.

[arista]

You have to take into account the size of the US population before you can draw any kind of comparison with them.


No
it's done by Nations


His Title is Bollocks

[Livia]

No
it's done by Nations


His Title is Bollocks

You're very forceful today arista.

[arista]

You're very forceful today arista.


Yes its
a shock that Today or Tomorrow
USA will be top of the List

[Smithy]

Bloody Smithy
Wrong

Italy:18,849
USA : 18,777
Spain: 16,353
France :13,197
UK : 8,958

Change Your Wrong Title Bitch
please

Its USA will Over take Italy
Italy is more comparable with the UK with a population of 60 million, you can’t compare it to the US because it has 10 times the population, based on the graph, the UK is forecasted to overtake Italy in terms of death

If only you looked at the Worldwide Updates?

You Forget USA
We’re not looking at the US because they’ve got a child for a president who is ignoring the problem.

The point was that Italy was seen as a disaster, constantly the talking point of how many deaths were there and now we’re forecast to overtake them and it’s trying to be portrayed as “it’s fine”

[arista]

The point was that Italy was seen as a disaster
Yes a Shocker

And it will be Fact the USA over takes Italy
Not us.

[Smithy]

The point was that Italy was seen as a disaster
Yes a Shocker

And it will be Fact the USA over takes Italy
Not us.

We are currently forecast to overtake them, that is the discussion of the thread, if you want to talk about the US overtaking them go make your own thread :fist:

[arista]

We are currently forecast to overtake them, that is the discussion of the thread, if you want to talk about the US overtaking them go make your own thread :fist:

No no need.

As soon as USA Over Takes Italy
its going on this thread


Its a matter of hours

[GoldHeart]

It looks like it will be 18 months till they get a vaccine, in the meantime we'll still have restrictions.

I still don't think they'll lift the lockdown till September, I don't know why June rumours are going around.

[arista]

It looks like it will be 18 months till they get a vaccine, in the meantime we'll still have restrictions.

I still don't think they'll lift the lockdown till September, I don't know why June rumours are going around.



Yes Lockdown for a year.
is common sense.

M&S Foods
keep us going.

[arista]

Smithy
try to work in Real Time.

I will improve you

[GoldHeart]

Yes Lockdown for a year.
is common sense.

M&S Foods
keep us going.

No I don't think we'll be in complete lockdown for a year, but we'll still have some restrictions .

It's also going to take a while for crowds to be allowed again. And people with health conditions will have to still be careful.

[Denver]

Yes Lockdown for a year.
is common sense.

M&S Foods
keep us going.

It is impossible to do lockdown for a year

[arista]

It is impossible to do lockdown for a year


But all over the World
it will be that way
Of Course Austria is now trying
a new face mask law
good luck to them.


Adam
while Covid 19 has a hold
Nothing is Impossible.


It's a shock for President Trump
who will soon be top of the World Death list

[user104658]

You have to take into account the size of the US population before you can draw any kind of comparison with them.I've been trying to tell arista that these numbers don't mean that much unless you scale by population size since February. He's not listening, Livia :fist:.

Even comparing Spain to Italy for example, Spain was hit harder than it looks at first glance, as they have a population of 40m compared to Italy's 60m.

The US should be "expected" to be 5x Italy/UK because they have 5x the population (not 10x Smithy :nono:) but in part its like comparing apples to oranges... Some of the big, open states will be able to handle it much better because of "natural" social distancing (small population per square mile) whereas if you just take New York City as an example separate to the whole US, the figures are especially harsh. Nearly 6000 deaths in a population of 8 million. Although its a similar situation in London.

[Denver]

The economy has already been destroyed by a short lockdown, a long term one will obliterate the economy

[arista]

The economy has already been destroyed by a short lockdown, a long term one will obliterate the economy

Yes we will enter a Depression

[arista]

"He's not listening"


I am TS
a enjoy your views

[Kate!]

The economy has already been destroyed by a short lockdown, a long term one will obliterate the economy

Yes this is why lockdown will not be as long as most seem to think.

[arista]

Yes this is why lockdown will not be as long as most seem to think.


So you want more Deaths?

[user104658]

But all over the World

it will be that way


Its literally impossible, so no, it won't. Most likely there will be close monitoring and shorter "localised" lockdowns.

Some aspects simply can't continue that long without literally killing more people; tragically, there has already been a marked increase in non-covid deaths because people are scared to, or unable to, access medical attention. The press aren't talking about that much, though.

If you extended to a year you would have people going undiagnosed with cancers and other chronic conditions for so long that they would be too late to get treatment. These things all have to be factored in.

[arista]

"The US should be "expected" to be 5x Italy/UK because they have 5x the population (not 10x Smithy ) but in part its like comparing apples to oranges.."

Yes we need Smithy
in Real Time

[Kate!]

So you want more Deaths?

I never said that Arista. :oh: But this can't go on indefinitely. The onus is on the Gov to test like mad.

[user104658]

So you want more Deaths?People will start to die of other conditions quite quickly (already happening) because of isolation and lack of access. That will start to increase exponentially after 6 months. And a lockdown that triggers a full economic collapse will kill millions.

[arista]

Its literally impossible, so no, it won't. Most likely there will be close monitoring and shorter "localised" lockdowns.

Some aspects simply can't continue that long without literally killing more people; tragically, there has already been a marked increase in non-covid deaths because people are scared to, or unable to, access medical attention. The press aren't talking about that much, though.

If you extended to a year you would have people going undiagnosed with cancers and other chronic conditions for so long that they would be too late to get treatment. These things all have to be factored in.


Not in England.


And Yes TS
more will sadly Die
as they can not get the Cancer Treatment.



Covid 19 is a Mega Killer in the World

[arista]

People will start to die of other conditions quite quickly (already happening) because of isolation and lack of access. That will start to increase exponentially after 6 months. And a lockdown that triggers a full economic collapse will kill millions.


Yes its a Shocking Future
Johnson /Raab are stuck
and can not stop a Depression.

[arista]

I never said that Arista. :oh: But this can't go on indefinitely. The onus is on the Gov to test like mad.


Of Course
that's why a Year is a good Start



The Government are not building extra Test labs
So Post them to Germany Roche Labs

[Roche initiates global phase III study and
collects data on Actemra’s potential utility
in severe COVID-19 pneumonia patients]

[Kate!]

Of Course
that's why a Year is a good Start



The Government are not building extra Test labs
So Post them to Germany Roche

[Roche initiates global phase III study and
collects data on Actemra’s potential utility
in severe COVID-19 pneumonia patients]

A year is far too long.

[Denver]

Of Course
that's why a Year is a good Start



The Government are not building extra Test labs
So Post them to Germany Roche Labs

[Roche initiates global phase III study and
collects data on Actemra’s potential utility
in severe COVID-19 pneumonia patients]

You clearly know nothing then Arista,if you think a year is great for the economy then you need to see a doctor

[arista]

You clearly know nothing then Arista,if you think a year is great for the economy then you need to see a doctor


No I do not want that all.

But I can Survive a Depression

[arista]

A year is far too long.

But it is saving lives.
So get ready for a UK Depression


Johnson /Raab
are not building big test labs

[user104658]

Not in England.





And Yes TS

more will sadly Die

as they can not get the Cancer Treatment.







Covid 19 is a Mega Killer in the WorldThe point is arista, if it goes on too long, more people will die of cancer (and other undiagnosed chronic conditions, strokes, heart attacks, sepsis etc.) than would die of Covid by starting to reduce lockdown measures after the peak.

They have to balance that out and I'm confident that they will.

[Kate!]

The point is arista, if it goes on too long, more people will die of cancer (and other undiagnosed chronic conditions, strokes, heart attacks, sepsis etc.) than would die of Covid by starting to reduce lockdown measures after the peak.

They have to balance that out and I'm confident that they will.

This.

[arista]

The point is arista, if it goes on too long, more people will die of cancer (and other undiagnosed chronic conditions, strokes, heart attacks, sepsis etc.) than would die of Covid by starting to reduce lockdown measures after the peak.

They have to balance that out and I'm confident that they will.


Yes You Are Right
more Cancer people were all waiting to be saved
then Covid 19 changed their future.

They can not "balance it out"
I like your vision- but it is not our sad future

[Denver]

No I do not want that all.

But I can Survive a Depression

That's selfish though isnt it? Just because you can survive it doesnt mean millions of others can

[arista]

This.


Yes Kate
TS is Correct
but sadly Covid 19
has taken over Wards

Radio4 LIVE right now
its all down to cost

Johnson /Raab
Failed

[arista]

That's selfish though isnt it? Just because you can survive it doesnt mean millions of others can


No I am stating I am
ready for much Worse.

Its important to get the Truth.
not some dream.

[user104658]

Yes You Are Right

more Cancer people were all waiting to be saved

then Covid 19 changed their future.



They can not "balance it out"

I like your vision- but it is not our sad futureSo Covid deaths are all that matter, and other deaths aren't in the equation? :think: that's some strange logic arista. Thankfully the people making the decisions are likely to understand the real risks, and not take this "it doesn't matter how many die so long as fewer die of Covid" approach.

[Smithy]

I've been trying to tell arista that these numbers don't mean that much unless you scale by population size since February. He's not listening, Livia :fist:.

Even comparing Spain to Italy for example, Spain was hit harder than it looks at first glance, as they have a population of 40m compared to Italy's 60m.

The US should be "expected" to be 5x Italy/UK because they have 5x the population (not 10x Smithy :nono:) but in part its like comparing apples to oranges... Some of the big, open states will be able to handle it much better because of "natural" social distancing (small population per square mile) whereas if you just take New York City as an example separate to the whole US, the figures are especially harsh. Nearly 6000 deaths in a population of 8 million. Although its a similar situation in London.

Sorry, idk why I said ten :joker:

[user104658]

No I am stating I am

ready for much Worse.



Its important to get the Truth.

not some dream.

On the contrary arista... I believe it might be that you, personally, are more worried about getting Covid than you are about these other considerations and so it's you who is engaging in some "wishful thinking" that we'll all just stay locked away for a year.

[GoldHeart]

So you want more Deaths?

What a way to twist what she said :facepalm: , it's likely lockdown will be lifted later this year. But obviously there will still be some restrictions.

[arista]

So Covid deaths are all that matter, and other deaths aren't in the equation? :think: that's some strange logic arista. Thankfully the people making the decisions are likely to understand the real risks, and not take this "it doesn't matter how many die so long as fewer die of Covid" approach.


No of course
other deaths matter.
But sadly Covid 19 spreads so fast
it matters more.

Yes Fewer Deaths from Covid 19
are everyone's aim.

It has Literally Pushed Cancer Patients to Die


Johnson /Raab
not building New Big Labs to test (that is so wrong)
so post it of to Germany Roche Labs.

[James]

Here's an article about what the options are about ending or reducing the lockdown - 'Coronavirus lockdown: How can we lift restrictions?'

Click the link - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52183295

[arista]

On the contrary arista... I believe it might be that you, personally, are more worried about getting Covid than you are about these other considerations and so it's you who is engaging in some "wishful thinking" that we'll all just stay locked away for a year.


Thats not me at all
but if you dare to break the Lockdown
faster deaths will return.

Many Top Business People
are now preparing for a Year Lockdown

[arista]

Here's an article about what the options are about ending or reducing the lockdown - 'Coronavirus lockdown: How can we lift restrictions?'

Click the link - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52183295

Thank You James

[Why can't we just lift lockdown?
We cannot simply return to normal after cases peak or even after they are reduced to very low levels.
The best estimate of the proportion of people infected (and potentially immune) in the UK is just 4%. Or to put that another way - more than 63 million are still vulnerable to the infection.
If we just lift the lockdown, then another explosive outbreak is inevitable. ]

[user104658]

Yes but it's not about suddenly lifting all restrictions. Social distancing will continue for a long time, large gatherings will be banned for a long time, supermarket restrictions (queueing, one way systems) will continue for a long time... Etc.

However some of the other big things - like non-emergency medical functions - will have to be recommenced long before a year. I'd also be very surprised if they keep schools completely closed for a year. Though they might do something like 3-day weeks, staggered classes for reduced class size, etc.

[arista]

Yes Schools Shut for a year
is hard times.
But kids will learn Covid 19
spreads so fast. And there is no other way.

[GoldHeart]

Yes but it's not about suddenly lifting all restrictions. Social distancing will continue for a long time, large gatherings will be banned for a long time, supermarket restrictions (queueing, one way systems) will continue for a long time... Etc.

However some of the other big things - like non-emergency medical functions - will have to be recommenced long before a year. I'd also be very surprised if they keep schools completely closed for a year. Though they might do something like 3-day weeks, staggered classes for reduced class size, etc.

Yeah they'll be restrictions & rules in place for a long time.

They can't keep full lockdown for a year . I guess we'll see what happens.

[arista]

Until a Safe Vaccine
appears - nothing can change
hence one year Lockdown.

[Kizzy]

Karen: I'd like to speak to the manager please.
Govt: What seems to be the problem?
Karen: I'd like to exchange this sombrero for a top hat.

[Denver]

Until a Safe Vaccine
appears - nothing can change
hence one year Lockdown.

It can change, there is a possibility of tracking healthy people and making those infecting stay in

[user104658]

Until a Safe Vaccine
appears - nothing can change
hence one year Lockdown.The harsh reality is that a safe vaccine might not be possible - ever - not all viruses are vaccine preventable. If that's the case, things eventually will have to change.

But this isn't a discussion arista, it's just you stonewalling stating things as facts that are not facts at all. It's a bit of a waste of time I'm afraid.

[arista]

It can change, there is a possibility of tracking healthy people and making those infecting stay in


Tracking works well in Full 5G South Korea
(was on BBC Click some weeks ago)


In the UK its much slower

[arista]

"a safe vaccine might not be possible"

No it will be worked on
in many nations
a solution is near.

[arista]

USA Death Total this hour is 18,780

[arista]

Live Today around 4PM
10 Downing St.
Its Patel , Home Sec

[Kizzy]

Just reading this article...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-police-deaths-uk-lockdown-homes-mental-illness-a9459711.html

This can't be a one off, is it the police trying to give an indication of just how many are passing without ever being seen by a medical professional?

[Kizzy]

At first I thought this was an amusing article..
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/10/working-ventilators-from-holby-city-set-donated-to-nhs-nightingale

Then I thought, hang on where did the BBC get a working ventilator from and who sold it?

[arista]

At first I thought this was an amusing article..
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/10/working-ventilators-from-holby-city-set-donated-to-nhs-nightingale

Then I thought, hang on where did the BBC get a working ventilator from and who sold it?


Kizzy BBC bought it years ago
well before a shortage

[Kizzy]

Kizzy BBC bought it years ago
well before a shortage

When exactly?

[arista]

When exactly?


Could be up to 8 or 10 years ago.
They will not give the year.

Holby City BBC1HD

[Brother Leon]

We had weeks to see what was going on in China and then Italy in order to implement an immediate lockdown and financial package to ensure everyone would have no reason to panic, but instead we stood around scratching our arse until it was too late and just half hearted the way through it.

****ing heartbreaking seeing all these deaths and our healthcare heroes have to go through all this.

[Denver]

We had weeks to see what was going on in China and then Italy in order to implement an immediate lockdown and financial package to ensure everyone would have no reason to panic, but instead we stood around scratching our arse until it was too late and just half hearted the way through it.

****ing heartbreaking seeing all these deaths and our healthcare heroes have to go through all this.

There was always going to be a massive number of deaths no matter what as the virus was in the UK already and had lots of carriers but the main aim was to keep the deaths down to the minimum as possible.

[Smithy]

There was always going to be a massive number of deaths no matter what as the virus was in the UK already and had lots of carriers but the main aim was to keep the deaths down to the minimum as possible.

This is so ignorant and just WRONG, South Korea are a prime example of exactly how the issue should have been handled

[Denver]

This is so ignorant and just WRONG, South Korea are a prime example of exactly how the issue should have been handled

South Korea have a total different healthcare system and their residents are brought up to follow the rules of the countryside its easier for theto maintain a lockdown or similar.

As we have found it's much harder in the UK and while most have said in not everyone has cared about the rules and continue to go out and infect

[Cherie]

South Korea have a total different healthcare system and their residents are brought up to follow the rules of the countryside its easier for theto maintain a lockdown or similar.

As we have found it's much harder in the UK and while most have said in not everyone has cared about the rules and continue to go out and infect

London, Paris, Rome, New York will receive many more visitors as well, Seoul is not top of peoples travel wish lists

[arista]

This is so ignorant and just WRONG, South Korea are a prime example of exactly how the issue should have been handled

Easy for them
Full 5G
in South Korea
superfast tracking.

They manufactured Millions of Tests Kits

The UK is nothing like that

[MTVN]

1248928410937823232

For reference

London is also the most populous and most visited city in Europe and the UK as a whole is one of the most densely populated countries along with the Netherlands and Belgium who are experiencing similar problems to us

[Smithy]

London, Paris, Rome, New York will receive many more visitors as well, Seoul is not top of peoples travel wish lists
I’d say Seoul is fast becoming a top tourist destination with the growth of KPop, KMovies & KEntertainment

More so that just shows the UK should have acted faster and closed its borders
South Korea have a total different healthcare system and their residents are brought up to follow the rules of the countryside its easier for theto maintain a lockdown or similar.

As we have found it's much harder in the UK and while most have said in not everyone has cared about the rules and continue to go out and infect

So what you’re saying is, people in Britain are dying because they don’t follow rules but people in Korea do? Therefore it is their own fault and not the governments for failing to act quicker? :facepalm:

[Denver]

I’d say Seoul is fast becoming a top tourist destination with the growth of KPop, KMovies & KEntertainment

More so that just shows the UK should have acted faster and closed its borders


So what you’re saying is, people in Britain are dying because they don’t follow rules but people in Korea do? Therefore it is their own fault and not the governments for failing to act quicker? :facepalm:

When Korea say lock down it means like down and people wont go out.

In this country local down means lockdown till the sunshine and thousands go out breaking the rules

[Cherie]

I’d say Seoul is fast becoming a top tourist destination with the growth of KPop, KMovies & KEntertainment

More so that just shows the UK should have acted faster and closed its borders


So what you’re saying is, people in Britain are dying because they don’t follow rules but people in Korea do? Therefore it is their own fault and not the governments for failing to act quicker? :facepalm:

It might be rising but it gets nowhere near the same visitor figures

Seoul 2019 17 million
London 2019 30 million

[Denver]

Although I do think the UK should adopt the Korean national service system as it will knock the trouble makers into shape

[Smithy]

When Korea say lock down it means like down and people wont go out.

In this country local down means lockdown till the sunshine and thousands go out breaking the rules

Well then the government need to impose stricter conditions then, you can’t say this is inevitable when it clearly isn’t, the government should have done more. They are to blame not people’s ignorance to the rules

[Marsh.]

Although I do think the UK should adopt the Korean national service system as it will knock the trouble makers into shape

:facepalm:

[user104658]

This is so ignorant and just WRONG, South Korea are a prime example of exactly how the issue should have been handledIt's not actually that simple though, SK have a larger number of labs for testing per population so they had the ability to carry out more tests, faster. You can't just "test more" without the lab capacity or an instant test.

[Smithy]

It's not actually that simple though, SK have a larger number of labs for testing per population so they had the ability to carry out more tests, faster. You can't just "test more" without the lab capacity or an instant test.

And yet by the end of the month we will be doing 100k tests a day?

There was time to prepare for this and it was not used properly

[arista]

1248928410937823232

For reference

London is also the most populous and most visited city in Europe and the UK as a whole is one of the most densely populated countries along with the Netherlands and Belgium who are experiencing similar problems to us

That Chart Shows Smithy is Wrong,


His title is wrong

[James]

As has been said London has a lot of international travel in and out the city, which would have meant more starting cases. When you combine that with its large population living in a small area, using public transport etc. it means the virus spreads faster.

It's easy to cherry pick examples of other countries response and say this is what works. However there's differences between countries that can't be explained. For instance Japan hasn't done much testing, no national lockdown, high population density and a lot of transport with China, yet not many cases.

I read somewhere, by the way, that Belgium are reporting figures differently, including deaths in the community as well as hospitals, which is different to most countries.

[James]

It's not actually that simple though, SK have a larger number of labs for testing per population so they had the ability to carry out more tests, faster. You can't just "test more" without the lab capacity or an instant test.

South Korea was affected by the SARS outbreak, which caused them create more testing capacity, and meant they were better prepared for testing now. So I read anyway.

[Cherie]

Also SK stuck a travel ban on China, which we should have done but the shouts of racists would have drowned that out

[user104658]

Also SK stuck a travel ban on China, which we should have done but the shouts of racists would have drowned that outNonsense, if it had been to stop the spread of disease the number of people calling it racist would have been small and, also, from the section of the political spectrum that the Conservative government doesnt care about the opinions of.

We didn't put a travel ban on China because the government had a lot invested in the hopes of post-Brexit trade agreements with China, the 5G network, and various other large scale economic projects closely linked to China.

[arista]

USA has now overtaken Italy
Not the UK

USA : 20,071
Italy:19,468

[Cherie]

Nonsense, if it had been to stop the spread of disease the number of people calling it racist would have been small and, also, from the section of the political spectrum that the Conservative government doesnt care about the opinions of.

We didn't put a travel ban on China because the government had a lot invested in the hopes of post-Brexit trade agreements with China, the 5G network, and various other large scale economic projects closely linked to China.

Its not nonsense they could have stuck a non essential travel ban on China, pretty sure Donald did and I dont agree with much he does, but there were the usual murmerings ....

[Kizzy]

Could be up to 8 or 10 years ago.
They will not give the year.

Holby City BBC1HD

Needs to be some questions asked there imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

comparing countries as if they have the same populations, distributions, care of elderly, health care, travel hubs etc etc

is about as useless as knitting fog

please stay away from facebook and twitter as it is exposing people on a daily basis and in hideous ways

[Kizzy]

comparing countries as if they have the same populations, distributions, care of elderly, health care, travel hubs etc etc

is about as useless as knitting fog

please stay away from facebook and twitter as it is exposing people on a daily basis and in hideous ways

We were well aware of the possibilities of a pandemic, the findings of an excersise were fresh in the mind.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/extraordinary-exchange-care-minister-coronavirus/

[user104658]

Its not nonsense they could have stuck a non essential travel ban on China, pretty sure Donald did and I dont agree with much he does, but there were the usual murmerings ....

Donald was in the midst of a trade war with China spanning years and has been critical of the US economy's reliance on Chinese manufacturing since the start of his term. The UK, thanks to Brexit, has been openly, and desperately, seeking trade deals and agreements from non-EU sources. Boris has been very, very keen to forge strong links with China to the extent that he even flat out refused best-buddy-Trump when Trump strongly suggested that the UK should abandon its 5G infrastructure deal with Huawei.

The reason the UK government was hesitant to close off travel to and from China was purely diplomatic. It was PR.

[Cherie]

Donald was in the midst of a trade war with China spanning years and has been critical of the US economy's reliance on Chinese manufacturing since the start of his term. The UK, thanks to Brexit, has been openly, and desperately, seeking trade deals and agreements from non-EU sources. Boris has been very, very keen to forge strong links with China to the extent that he even flat out refused best-buddy-Trump when Trump strongly suggested that the UK should abandon its 5G infrastructure deal with Huawei.

The reason the UK government was hesitant to close off travel to and from China was purely diplomatic. It was PR.

You are not getting it are you... Donald has no need to trade with China, yet slapping a travel ban earned him a racist tag even though it was done to prevent the transmission, yet you say if the UK slapped a travel ban..no one would have objected on the grounds of race..I dont think that’s right

[user104658]

You are not getting it are you... Donald has no need to trade with China, yet slapping a travel ban earned him a racist tag even though it was done to prevent the transmission, yet you say if the UK slapped a travel ban..no one would have objected on the grounds of race..I dont think that’s right

Donny slapped a travel ban on China when it had already spread to most of Europe and given the situation in the US now, it didn't do much good did it? He also (very briefly) put a travel ban on most of Europe but not the UK, because "the UK didn't have many cases", when the UK had more cases than most other European countries.

Trumps gets called racist because he is racist.

[GoldHeart]

100% Trump acted too late , and it hardly did any good.

The deluded idiot wanted people to freely go out at Easter without any safety measures :crazy:, they have the worst person in charge over there he's completely nuts! .

And he keeps pushing for an early lift from lockdown, but there's already places in America with people crowded who don't give a damn . New York is affected the most I think . He doesn't care .

[bots]

Trump was and still is completely out of his depth on dealing with covid, that's the simple truth. He doesn't know what to do

[arista]

Trump was and still is completely out of his depth on dealing with covid, that's the simple truth. He doesn't know what to do


He is letting his Team of doctors & advisers direct it

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[arista]

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Selling well
in USA

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[MTVN]

Trump put the ban on travel from China in place on Feb 2nd so it was very early in the crisis - UK and Italy both only had 2 cases at that point so it hadn't really got a foothold in Europe then

[arista]

Trump put the ban on travel from China in place on Feb 2nd so it was very early in the crisis - UK and Italy both only had 2 cases at that point so it hadn't really got a foothold in Europe then


Yes he was Bang on Right

[Josy]

I dont get the criticism of the government (not just ours) they make decisions based on scientific and medical information that comes from advisors. The whole world is dealing with a new pandemic and working with very little information so I think the government are doing the best they can whilst navigating through uncharted water, it could have been anyone in charge and they would be blamed for the situation we have found ourselves in so instead of trying to find blame we should all be doing our part to get through this.

[James]

I just think it is a force of nature at this point, and governments are having to play it by ear to some degree.

[Nicky91]

my mom is against our dutch government, our RIVM

honestly i'm not complaining against their actions, people first disobeyed advice to stay home here, but now majority of people here stay home


Germany has reopened certain stores again, whilst also still giving necessary advice to stay home, they even go to live broadcasting a ''easter at home special, things to do at home around easter time'' quite a few germans who usually come to Netherlands here they decide to stay home and listen to advice


our local radio Omroep Brabant plays loads of cheerful, bit party music to spread more positivity among people here, since many music festivals have been cancelled here too

one mayor of a town schijndel who was disappointed in cancelling easterpop music festival, he did request the radio to host a sort of top 40 line up of rock/alternative rock songs what usually is played at easterpop, he also had a cake being delivered at omroep brabant studio, just for their efforts during this crisis so far :love:

[Zizu]

I dont get the criticism of the government (not just ours) they make decisions based on scientific and medical information that comes from advisors. The whole world is dealing with a new pandemic and working with very little information so I think the government are doing the best they can whilst navigating through uncharted water, it could have been anyone in charge and they would be blamed for the situation we have found ourselves in so instead of trying to find blame we should all be doing our part to get through this.



When it all got serious the political parties all agreed to work together and put ‘political point scoring’ on hold .. but now the new Labour leader has to make an impression he’s said he won’t hesitate to criticise any decisions and that useless shadow health minister yesterday was happy to criticise most of the decisions taken so far ..

Predictable but sooo disappointing


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[bots]

governments are having to react to events rather than drive them, so it's a different scenario from all of them.

We didn't react too late in locking down, because the fundamental fact is that the virus has to get to a certain stage before a lockdown becomes effective. Do it too soon and people will just ignore it.

The lack of PPE is a dreadful situation, but there isn't a government in the world that was prepared for that one

The death figures will be what they will be, that may sound very harsh, but its a fact. No country is out the woods on this until its under control world wide, so saying 1 country is better than another over a particular week/month will mean nothing in the long term

[Zizu]

governments are having to react to events rather than drive them, so it's a different scenario from all of them.



We didn't react too late in locking down, because the fundamental fact is that the virus has to get to a certain stage before a lockdown becomes effective. Do it too soon and people will just ignore it.



The lack of PPE is a dreadful situation, but there isn't a government in the world that was prepared for that one



The death figures will be what they will be, that may sound very harsh, but its a fact. No country is out the woods on this until its under control world wide, so saying 1 country is better than another over a particular week/month will mean nothing in the long term



Wise words indeed


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[Smithy]

UK deaths: ~26,000
Italy deaths ~27,000

Thoughts on this @ everyone on the first page

[Denver]

Italy hasn't added the care home and community deaths have they?

[Kizzy]

Italy hasn't added the care home and community deaths have they?

Neither have we yet.

[Denver]

Neither have we yet.

The 26,000 includes care home deaths

[Kizzy]

The 26,000 includes care home deaths

Right thought that was from tomorrow but no it was today. That does not mean the UK won't pass Italy in the mortality rate for Covid 19, most experts in a Europe are suggesting that's a given now.

[Denver]

Right thought that was from tomorrow but no it was today. That does not mean the UK won't pass Italy in the mortality rate for Covid 19, most experts in a Europe are suggesting that's a given now.

It's hard to judge because Italy have a huge Elder population and their care homes and people in the community would be at high risk

[arista]

UK deaths: ~26,000
Italy deaths ~27,000

Thoughts on this @ everyone on the first page


Yes UK Deaths now adding on Care Homes and Home Deaths


Meanwhile Italy is so below USA
60,475

[arista]

Neither have we yet.


Yes we have

[Smithy]

The 26,000 includes care home deaths

That’s not the total care home deaths though is it

[Kizzy]

Yes we have

Ive clarified this...move along dear.

[Beso]

Imo this sad statistic merely shows that the UK has taken greater care of its elderly population before cobid 19 than the comparative countries.

[arista]

USA :63,019
Italy: 27,967
UK : 27,510

[Denver]

Italy will be a lot more with community and care home deaths

[Withano]

Bloody Smithy
Wrong

Italy:18,849
USA : 18,777
Spain: 16,353
France :13,197
UK : 8,958



Change Your Wrong Title Bitch
please

Its USA will Over take Italy


Are you gonna apologise for being so sassy Arista?

[Smithy]

Are you gonna apologise for being so sassy Arista?

Yeah Arista I want an apology :inamood:

[Denver]

The death tallies are not even be9ng added up right for you to compare to other countries

[arista]

Yeah Arista I want an apology :inamood:


USA has Well Overtaken Italy.

[Smithy]

The death tallies are not even be9ng added up right for you to compare to other countries

ThE dEAth TaLLies aRe noT EveN BE9nG aDdeD uP RigHt fOR YOu tO cOmPaRe tO OtHER CouNTrIeS

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[Denver]

ThE dEAth TaLLies aRe noT EveN BE9nG aDdeD uP RigHt fOR YOu tO cOmPaRe tO OtHER CouNTrIeS

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Your the one who needs to retake math mate

Does every on Guernsey do there math that way?

No educated person would think hospital and care homes are on the same level as hospital only

[Smithy]

Your the one who needs to retake math mate

Does every on Guernsey do there math that way?

No educated person would think hospital and care homes are on the same level as hospital only

Yikes, someone still isn’t proof reading and then they’re trying to clock my education?

The clownery

[Smithy]

Also I’m not from Guernsey, not too sure why you always have to make it personal