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Withano
12-04-2020, 09:02 AM
In your opinion?

Denver
12-04-2020, 09:04 AM
They done as good as they could with resources I think.

We dont have the labs Korea have or the higher number of ICU other countries had and it's hard to base a decision on what other countries are doing

arista
12-04-2020, 09:10 AM
They done as good as they could with resources I think.

We dont have the labs Korea have or the higher number of ICU other countries had and it's hard to base a decision on what other countries are doing


But The Pathetic Government
has the power to fast build big labs
this week.

Even Germany Roche would advise them.

Liam-
12-04-2020, 09:17 AM
Considering they knowingly let it run through people for a good week, before deciding to do anything at all, I’d say not

Kazanne
12-04-2020, 09:55 AM
I guess it depends on your political leaning as to whether they have done a good job, it wasn't perfect but as good as it could be given that this was an unknown virus and they took advice from WHO and would be damned if they did and damned if they didn't, so all in all imo they have done the best they could do given what was thrown at them.

Withano
12-04-2020, 10:21 AM
I guess it depends on your political leaning as to whether they have done a good job.

Why would you let your political leaning affect your honest thoughts on their job?

arista
12-04-2020, 10:34 AM
I guess it depends on your political leaning as to whether they have done a good job, it wasn't perfect but as good as it could be given that this was an unknown virus and they took advice from WHO and would be damned if they did and damned if they didn't, so all in all imo they have done the best they could do given what was thrown at them.


Kaz this Government
set up Temp Hospitals
but did not Build Big New Labs
to do faster testings.


Many posted to Roche Testing in Bloody Germany.


That Stinks

Smithy
12-04-2020, 10:34 AM
I guess it depends on your political leaning as to whether they have done a good job, it wasn't perfect but as good as it could be given that this was an unknown virus and they took advice from WHO and would be damned if they did and damned if they didn't, so all in all imo they have done the best they could do given what was thrown at them.

What a load of tripe

They had weeks to prepare and take precautionary measures, they didn’t, their initial plan was heard immunity, they were willing to sacrifice thousands of lives to save the economy.

It’s only after the damage was done that they’ve rapidly changed strategy. They haven’t done a “terrible job” yet, I suppose the final death toll will be what decides that, but lives have been lost unnecessarily because of their poor planning.

hijaxers
12-04-2020, 10:56 AM
I have to say a bad job ~ we should have locked down properly sooner.

user104658
12-04-2020, 11:02 AM
I think my opinion on this is two-fold. They're muddling along as best they can right now - all governments are. No one knew what to do. We have the benefit of HINDSIGHT in sayi g that SK got it right but in truth, #1 we don't actually know for certain why the situation in SK has been better, it's just best-guess and #2 we only know that something they did worked by looking back on the data we have now, not much was known at the time, and there was conflicting scientific advice. The government actually changed path RELATIVELY quickly when presented with more evidence.


Zooming out a bit and looking at the bigger picture though; governments (not just ours) have had warnings going back YEARS to start preparing for a global pandemic. And not just any pandemic, they even knew it was likely to be a respiratory SARS-like virus. They have had over a decade to fill warehouses with PPE and other medical equipment, have contingency plans in place both practical and financial, to have extra ICU space sitting "on standby" permanently and to ensure that the health service is robust and properly staffed.

They chose to not only ignore the warnings and to fail to prepare any of those specific measures, but also deliberately undermined and underfunded the health service, mostly for personal for financial gain... And deported/forced out half of the workforce... Leaving the NHS in the weakest and most precarious position it's ever been and headed into a pandemic.

So short term, it's been a confusing mess and expecting that any government could have got it 100% right is a bit unrealistic. But over the longer term, they've made a series of monumental **** ups that could and should have been avoided. We should have been ready. The science was there the warnings had been given - several years ago. They were ignored.

Nicky91
12-04-2020, 11:05 AM
government idk


but if we're talking about mayors in britain yes especially in london sadiq khan, and when you'd want him to address his city, he doesn't show up :umm2:

Smithy
12-04-2020, 11:06 AM
government idk


but if we're talking mayors in britain yes too lacklustre especially in london sadiq khan, and when you'd want him to address his city, he doesn't show up :umm2:

Can you name any other Mayor in Britain Nicky?

arista
12-04-2020, 11:14 AM
"The science was there the warnings had
been given - several years ago. They were ignored. "


Of course TS
But now Science leaders have Control.

user104658
12-04-2020, 11:49 AM
Of course TS
But now Science leaders have Control.

"Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted" is the phrase that springs to mind.

michael21
12-04-2020, 11:54 AM
No there could see what was happen in other country's but they waited for poplpe to die before acting

GoldHeart
12-04-2020, 12:03 PM
I put bad job , because they acted late .

Mitchell
12-04-2020, 12:04 PM
Considering they knowingly let it run through people for a good week, before deciding to do anything at all, I’d say not

This, could’ve done worse, but done pretty shoddily given we knew the threat in January.

smudgie
12-04-2020, 02:01 PM
They could hardly just shut up shop overnight to be fair.
Mistakes have, and will no doubt continue to be made, not just here.

Samm
12-04-2020, 02:03 PM
Considering we are one of the richest countries in the world, no

Crimson Dynamo
12-04-2020, 02:14 PM
to be honest none of you or I are in any position to say so its just "i dont like the tories" again

hijaxers
12-04-2020, 02:19 PM
to be honest none of you or I are in any position to say so its just "i dont like the tories" again

No its not I wouldn't care who was in charge this virus should not be political, i would have said same if Labour had been ruling over this cock up !

Kizzy
12-04-2020, 02:23 PM
I guess it depends on your political leaning as to whether they have done a good job, it wasn't perfect but as good as it could be given that this was an unknown virus and they took advice from WHO and would be damned if they did and damned if they didn't, so all in all imo they have done the best they could do given what was thrown at them.

It has nothing to do with political leaning. You have to look at this objectively and consider the information and the contingency plans they had. They ignored the findings of excersise Cygnus, the WHO, and how the virus was progressing in other European cities.

Boris even ignored his own advice, and toyed with the disastrous idea of herd immunity. Invented figures for testing targets then failed to reach them, as well as under resourced frontline workers so woefully they wear bin liners! so no it's not political it's based on decisions that have impacted on this country negatively, worse than that its killed thousands.

user104658
12-04-2020, 02:25 PM
to be honest none of you or I are in any position to say so its just "i dont like the tories" againI don't like the Tories :suspect:. But I don't think a Labour government that came into power at the end of 2019 would be doing any better, the mistakes are historic not current, the Tories have plenty to answer for in terms of the state of the health service but the warnings were there years before the CamClegg coalition... Labour ignored them too.

Crimson Dynamo
12-04-2020, 02:28 PM
I don't like the Tories :suspect:. But I don't think a Labour government that came into power at the end of 2019 would be doing any better, the mistakes are historic not current, the Tories have plenty to answer for in terms of the state of the health service but the warnings were there years before the CamClegg coalition... Labour ignored them too.

Bill Gates was banging on about this years ago

Crimson Dynamo
12-04-2020, 02:31 PM
No its not I wouldn't care who was in charge this virus should not be political, i would have said same if Labour had been ruling over this cock up !

your basis for judging it a cock up is flawed you dont have any basis to judge it.

lets see your credentials in virology, epidemiology, managing millions, governmental policy?

you dont have any and i expect your "data" comes from papers, facebook and twitter

Kizzy
12-04-2020, 02:33 PM
I don't like the Tories :suspect:. But I don't think a Labour government that came into power at the end of 2019 would be doing any better, the mistakes are historic not current, the Tories have plenty to answer for in terms of the state of the health service but the warnings were there years before the CamClegg coalition... Labour ignored them too.

You have no idea how any other governments would have responded.
I don't listen to the 'we would have done xyz' as it's impossible to know if they would have done what they say they would, but we can't say with any certainty they would have done as badly or worse.

Kazanne
12-04-2020, 02:34 PM
to be honest none of you or I are in any position to say so its just "i dont like the tories" again

Pretty much this,:wavey:

Kizzy
12-04-2020, 02:36 PM
Pretty much this,:wavey:

Except that's exactly what you have said kaz...

user104658
12-04-2020, 02:46 PM
You have no idea how any other governments would have responded.

I don't listen to the 'we would have done xyz' as it's impossible to know if they would have done what they say they would, but we can't say with any certainty they would have done as badly or worse.That's why I said "I don't think" they would have done better, not "they wouldn't" have done better.

As you say we can't say for certain if they'd have done better, worse or the same.

I personally think it would have been more or less the same in terms of lockdown response, though if Corbyn was PM I strongly suspect they'd be implementing universal income (which would be a good thing).

LaLaLand
12-04-2020, 02:50 PM
Considering they knowingly let it run through people for a good week, before deciding to do anything at all, I’d say not

Basically.

Kizzy
12-04-2020, 02:54 PM
I really balk at the assertion too that any criticism of the govt response is somehow anti British... that old trope comes out at every challenge we face and it's wrong.

Question everything.

user104658
12-04-2020, 03:13 PM
I really balk at the assertion too that any criticism of the govt response is somehow anti British... that old trope comes out at every challenge we face and it's wrong.

Question everything.This has been common since the vote in 2016. I mean, some people have always believed it but its become more common; believing that criticising the active government is in some way undemocratic, or unpatriotic.

When actually shadow governments, opposition, criticism and protest are the barrier between democracy and autocracy... So it's actually the people who want to do away with those things who are undemocratic and thus (in a country that supposedly cherishes democracy) unpatriotic.

Withano
12-04-2020, 04:56 PM
Pretty much this,:wavey:

So that explains why you’re one of the few that clicked good job lol

bots
12-04-2020, 04:59 PM
i will decide if they have done a good job when their job is actually finished rather than just started

hijaxers
12-04-2020, 05:01 PM
your basis for judging it a cock up is flawed you dont have any basis to judge it.

lets see your credentials in virology, epidemiology, managing millions, governmental policy?

you dont have any and i expect your "data" comes from papers, facebook and twitter

I am not on face****** or twatter

Kazanne
12-04-2020, 05:13 PM
So that explains why you’re one of the few that clicked good job lol

I clicked good job as i think that is what they have done,simple as.

Liam-
12-04-2020, 05:16 PM
I clicked good job as i think that is what they have done,simple as.

So it’s only the ones that think they haven’t that are biased then?

Denver
12-04-2020, 05:20 PM
I dont think it's fair to properly judge until the end result

Samm
12-04-2020, 05:54 PM
Matt Hancock has definitely screwed up on this, I don’t reckon he’ll last long after this is all over. Rishi Sunak is the only high up MP who’s done some sort of a good job, but only because he’s done what’s HAD to happen at the end of the day.

However I have noticed every press briefing that hasn’t included boris has been good, boris is awful because he dodges/avoids questions while most of the other tory MPs actually try to answer them in some lengths.

Kazanne
12-04-2020, 05:59 PM
So it’s only the ones that think they haven’t that are biased then?

Well lets face it whatever they did even if it was brilliant it would still not be worthy of praise for some people.

Beso
12-04-2020, 06:26 PM
The population hasn't taken care of itself, pure and simple.

Cherie
12-04-2020, 06:58 PM
The population hasn't taken care of itself, pure and simple.

People need haircuts so they can look half decent :nono::fist:

caprimint
12-04-2020, 07:08 PM
Nobody could have done better than King Boris :clap1:

GoldHeart
13-04-2020, 12:09 AM
Nobody could have done better than King Boris :clap1:

:umm2::facepalm:

Withano
13-04-2020, 12:36 AM
I clicked good job as i think that is what they have done,simple as.

Oh right. So it’s only the people who disagree with you that must be biased. Interesting how that worked out.

Forgot what a mass-baiter you were haha.

Tom4784
13-04-2020, 02:43 AM
Not really given that they were originally content to sacrifice the old and vulnerable in hopes of herd immunity winning out to begin with. While they walked it back and offered a fairly good payment package for workers, it's difficult to forget that this Tory government seemed all too willing to let people die rather than do what needed to be done.

Also, every major country's leadership was made aware of the danger back in January, the fact that nothing more was done to prevent a pandemic back then is repugnant. Rishi Sunak is the Tories' MVP for this crisis.

Smithy
13-04-2020, 10:10 AM
The WHO actually informed them in December of what could happen

MTVN
13-04-2020, 10:18 AM
The WHO actually informed them in December of what could happen

This was on Jan 14th

1217043229427761152

bots
13-04-2020, 10:35 AM
none of this can really be judged until a year or more down the line. All we can do for now realistically is keep the government on it's toes with regard to current processes. It's not perfect just now for sure, but if people think the 10k death figure is bad, it would have been an awful lot worse without a lock down.

In the same way that New York does not reflect the rest of the USA, the same is true of London, which is driving the figures much higher

Kizzy
13-04-2020, 01:36 PM
This was on Jan 14th

1217043229427761152

Please stop spreading misinformation!!

Josy warned other members about this you must have missed the memo. Here is a WHO timeline, educate yourself.



Pneumonia of unknown cause reported to WHO China Office

31 December 2019

'At the close of 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of a pneumonia of unknown cause, detected in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market.*

Staying in close contact with national authorities, WHO began monitoring the situation and requested further information on the laboratory tests performed and the different diagnoses considered.'

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/events-as-they-happen

MTVN
13-04-2020, 01:57 PM
Please stop spreading misinformation!!

Josy warned other members about this you must have missed the memo. Here is a WHO timeline, educate yourself.



Pneumonia of unknown cause reported to WHO China Office

31 December 2019

'At the close of 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of a pneumonia of unknown cause, detected in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market.*

Staying in close contact with national authorities, WHO began monitoring the situation and requested further information on the laboratory tests performed and the different diagnoses considered.'

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/events-as-they-happen

What on earth are you rambling on about, I posted a tweet from the official WHO account to show how little they knew about the virus back then thanks to disinformation from China. This has been very well reported such as here:

Back in January, when the pandemic now consuming the world was still gathering force, a Berkeley research scientist named Xiao Qiang was monitoring China’s official statements about a new coronavirus then spreading through Wuhan and noticed something disturbing. Statements made by the World Health Organization, the international body that advises the world on handling health crises, often echoed China’s messages. “Particularly at the beginning, it was shocking when I again and again saw WHO’s [director-general], when he spoke to the press … almost directly quoting what I read on the Chinese government’s statements,” he told me.

The most notorious example came in the form of a single tweet from the WHO account on January 14: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus.” That same day, the Wuhan Health Commission’s public bulletin declared, “We have not found proof for human-to-human transmission.” But by that point even the Chinese government was offering caveats not included in the WHO tweet. “The possibility of limited human-to-human transmission cannot be excluded,” the bulletin said, “but the risk of sustained transmission is low.”

This, we now know, was catastrophically untrue, and in the months since, the global pandemic has put much of the world under an unprecedented lockdown and killed more than 100,000 people.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/

Please withdraw your bizarre allegation

smudgie
13-04-2020, 02:04 PM
Please stop spreading misinformation!!

Josy warned other members about this you must have missed the memo. Here is a WHO timeline, educate yourself.



Pneumonia of unknown cause reported to WHO China Office

31 December 2019

'At the close of 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of a pneumonia of unknown cause, detected in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market.*

Staying in close contact with national authorities, WHO began monitoring the situation and requested further information on the laboratory tests performed and the different diagnoses considered.'

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/events-as-they-happen

Hardly misinformation.
It is part of the same timeline you are taking your info from Kizzy.

bots
13-04-2020, 02:17 PM
What on earth are you rambling on about, I posted a tweet from the official WHO account to show how little they knew about the virus back then thanks to disinformation from China.

and this is why the world is perfectly entitled to be pissed off at china and the WHO. I've said it a few times now, but China have been habitual liars for generations, why would anyone take their word for it at that point ... it's such a blatant issue

Brother Leon
13-04-2020, 02:22 PM
I’m not going to consider factors and decisions made by our government before the virus, because if we did then the answer is a clear cut no.

Even so, That week or so before the official lockdown was an absolute disaster and even after the lockdown the conditions were so poorly explained, and then it required them several days to come up with new financial packages for different groups of people to calm the panic.

It’s all really inexcusable when you consider the head start we had to plan over most nations. Only reason it hasn’t been all bad though is that they have done well on the most park with the financial policies and Sunak has made himself look like a possible future leader.

Kizzy
13-04-2020, 02:23 PM
What on earth are you rambling on about, I posted a tweet from the official WHO account to show how little they knew about the virus back then thanks to disinformation from China. This has been very well reported such as here:



Please withdraw your bizarre allegation


No....


First case of novel coronavirus outside of China confirmed

13 January 2020

Officials confirmed a case of the novel coronavirus in Thailand. It was not unexpected that cases of the novel coronavirus would emerge outside of China and reinforces why WHO calls for active monitoring and preparedness in other countries.


From the official WHO website. You apologise for the American propaganda you're posting!

Kizzy
13-04-2020, 02:26 PM
Hardly misinformation.
It is part of the same timeline you are taking your info from Kizzy.

Nope, it isn't

MTVN
13-04-2020, 02:42 PM
No....


First case of novel coronavirus outside of China confirmed

13 January 2020

Officials confirmed a case of the novel coronavirus in Thailand. It was not unexpected that cases of the novel coronavirus would emerge outside of China and reinforces why WHO calls for active monitoring and preparedness in other countries.


From the official WHO website. You apologise for the American propaganda you're posting!

Do you understand that what I posted is a tweet from the official WHO account? The suggestion I'm posting disinformation about the WHO by quoting the WHO is baffling even for you

The point I was making was specifically about human to human transmission which nothing that you have posted has addressed I'm afraid

Further evidence of the problem: https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a6

Taiwan has accused the World Health Organization of failing to communicate an early warning about transmission of the coronavirus between humans, slowing the global response to the pandemic.

Health officials in Taipei said they alerted the WHO at the end of December about the risk of human-to-human transmission of the new virus but said its concerns were not passed on to other countries.

Taiwan is excluded from the WHO because China, which claims it as part of its territory, demands that third countries and international bodies do not treat it in any way that resembles how independent states are treated

user104658
13-04-2020, 02:48 PM
and this is why the world is perfectly entitled to be pissed off at china and the WHO. I've said it a few times now, but China have been habitual liars for generations, why would anyone take their word for it at that point ... it's such a blatant issueThe WHO response in January/February absolutely reeked of CCP propaganda to be quite honest, the language being used wasn't even thinly veiled. We had WHO officials dribbling about how well China was handling it and how great the Chinese government is, and one saying "if he gets Covid he hopes its in China" because of how great the treatment measures were.

Just ****ing odd to be including things like that in press releases if you don't have a Chinese government official in your ear, in my opinion.

Scarlett.
13-04-2020, 02:51 PM
They've done an ok job, after the absolute disaster at the start with their herd immunity bull**** (Fire Dominic Cummings, seriously)

user104658
13-04-2020, 02:53 PM
They've done an ok job, after the absolute disaster at the start with their herd immunity bull**** (Fire Dominic Cummings, seriously)Indeed, Boris' ramblings early on were him being a Cummings mouthpiece more than anything else. He said something like, "one idea is that we could...". He might as well have said "My buddy Dom says..."

Scarlett.
13-04-2020, 02:55 PM
Indeed, Boris' ramblings early on were him being a Cummings mouthpiece more than anything else. He said something like, "one idea is that we could...". He might as well have said "My buddy Dom says..."

Yep, if they'd taken swifter more decisive action, a lot of lives could have been saved

Fetch The Bolt Cutters
13-04-2020, 02:57 PM
I mean 10,000 people have died how can that be seen as doing a good job

user104658
13-04-2020, 03:03 PM
Yep, if they'd taken swifter more decisive action, a lot of lives could have been savedThat remains to be seen, to be honest. If it can be successfully suppressed by early lockdown then yes, if full community transmission is inevitable then all that really makes a difference is lockdown being initiated quickly enough to stop healthcare services being overwhelmed then thus far they haven't been so it makes no long-term difference.

Kizzy
13-04-2020, 03:04 PM
Do you understand that what I posted is a tweet from the official WHO account? The suggestion I'm posting disinformation about the WHO by quoting the WHO is baffling even for you

The point I was making was specifically about human to human transmission which nothing that you have posted has addressed I'm afraid

Further evidence of the problem: https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a6

I understand you are being rude because I have challenged you on this. Can you provide the WHO link to this tweet? That link to the article you're touting as further evidence in this post does not work.

arista
13-04-2020, 03:06 PM
They've done an ok job, after the absolute disaster at the start with their herd immunity bull**** (Fire Dominic Cummings, seriously)

No he is not elected

Johnson PM likes him.

user104658
13-04-2020, 03:07 PM
I understand you are being rude because I have challenged you on this. Can you provide the WHO link to this tweet? That link to the article you're touting as further evidence in this post does not work.To be fair Kizzy you've been being a bit rude here by insisting that someone else has it wrong when you've misunderstood what was being pointed out in the first place. The original post was pointing out that the WHO was still unclear on whether or not person to person transmission was happening in mid January. You countered it by saying that they knew the virus EXISTED in late December (which is not the same thing). There would be no need to take quarantine measures if human to human transmission wasn't possible and thus governments can't be expected to have taken that action before that point.

arista
13-04-2020, 03:09 PM
I mean 10,000 people have died how can that be seen as doing a good job


Its Over 11,329 today
Scott.

The Care Home UK deaths of Covid
are not included

Get Up to date on Shaun's thread

Kizzy
13-04-2020, 03:19 PM
To be fair Kizzy you've been being a bit rude here by insisting that someone else has it wrong when you've misunderstood what was being pointed out in the first place. The original post was pointing out that the WHO was still unclear on whether or not person to person transmission was happening in mid January. You countered it by saying that they knew the virus EXISTED in late December (which is not the same thing). There would be no need to take quarantine measures if human to human transmission wasn't possible and thus governments can't be expected to have taken that action before that point.

I'm rude for having an opinion on counter information... how about you attempt to see some logic in my post before accusing me of misunderstanding? There was already admissions and cases of person to person transmission prior to that tweet I countered with that too.

Kizzy
13-04-2020, 03:28 PM
While the cause of the pneumonia seems to be a novel coronavirus, transmission potential and modes of transmission remain unclear. Therefore, it would be prudent to reduce the general risk of acute respiratory infections while travelling in or from affected areas (currently Wuhan City) by:

avoiding close contact with people suffering from acute respiratory infections;frequent hand-washing, especially after direct contact with ill people or their environment;avoiding close contact with live or dead farm or wild animals;travellers with symptoms of acute respiratory infection should practice cough etiquette (maintain distance, cover coughs and sneezes with disposable tissues or clothing, and wash hands).


https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/who-advice-for-international-travel-and-trade-in-relation-to-the-outbreak-of-pneumonia-caused-by-a-new-coronavirus-in-china/

Denver
13-04-2020, 03:29 PM
I'm rude for having an opinion on counter information... how about you attempt to see some logic in my post before accusing me of misunderstanding? There was already admissions and cases of person to person transmission prior to that tweet I countered with that too.

Your coming across as your opinion or no opinion and have been very rude

MTVN
13-04-2020, 03:32 PM
I understand you are being rude because I have challenged you on this. Can you provide the WHO link to this tweet? That link to the article you're touting as further evidence in this post does not work.

The rudeness started with your post accusing me of 'spreading misinformation' and telling me to educate myself, that's not the way to start a civil conversation

I've already posted the Tweet from the official WHO account, feel free to click it. See if this link to the FT article works: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

MTVN
13-04-2020, 03:35 PM
While the cause of the pneumonia seems to be a novel coronavirus, transmission potential and modes of transmission remain unclear. Therefore, it would be prudent to reduce the general risk of acute respiratory infections while travelling in or from affected areas (currently Wuhan City) by:

avoiding close contact with people suffering from acute respiratory infections;frequent hand-washing, especially after direct contact with ill people or their environment;avoiding close contact with live or dead farm or wild animals;travellers with symptoms of acute respiratory infection should practice cough etiquette (maintain distance, cover coughs and sneezes with disposable tissues or clothing, and wash hands).


https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/who-advice-for-international-travel-and-trade-in-relation-to-the-outbreak-of-pneumonia-caused-by-a-new-coronavirus-in-china/

Your own link says 'preliminary investigation suggests that there is no significant human-to-human transmission, and no infections among health care workers have occurred'

This is the point I was making - the WHO were way off the mark in believing that this was true in mid January

Kizzy
13-04-2020, 03:37 PM
The rudeness started with your post accusing me of 'spreading misinformation' and telling me to educate myself, that's not the way to start a civil conversation

I've already posted the Tweet from the official WHO account, feel free to click it. See if this link to the FT article works: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

You are spreading misinformation as the information I posted shows, imo you do need to educate yourself on this it's not rude to suggest that.

Your comment towards me was quite personally offensive.

No it doesn't.

MTVN
13-04-2020, 03:37 PM
Thank you to fellow posters for reassuring me I'm not going mad after all

Kizzy
13-04-2020, 03:41 PM
Thank you to fellow posters for reassuring me I'm not going mad after all

Thanking people for baiting now? How novel.

caprimint
13-04-2020, 03:43 PM
Thanking people for baiting now? How novel.
Nobody baited anyone here Kizzy lol

Withano
13-04-2020, 03:48 PM
and this is why the world is perfectly entitled to be pissed off at china and the WHO. I've said it a few times now, but China have been habitual liars for generations, why would anyone take their word for it at that point ... it's such a blatant issue

Let’s generalise an entire population of people as inherit liars and act like it’s an okay thing to say

Kizzy
13-04-2020, 03:49 PM
Your own link says 'preliminary investigation suggests that there is no significant human-to-human transmission, and no infections among health care workers have occurred'

This is the point I was making - the WHO were way off the mark in believing that this was true in mid January

The link shows that was the initial information they recieved from China. It was not the result of their findings or their advice to other nations on the spread of the virus. Neither did it usurp all the recommendations and findings prior to that date.

If you read the link you will see they did not 'believe' that which is why their recommendations were almost identical then as they are now.

Kizzy
13-04-2020, 03:53 PM
'While the cause of the pneumonia seems to be a novel coronavirus, transmission potential and modes of transmission remain unclear. Therefore, it would be prudent to reduce the general risk of acute respiratory infections while travelling in or from affected areas (currently Wuhan City) by:

avoiding close contact with people suffering from acute respiratory infections;frequent hand-washing, especially after direct contact with ill people or their environment;avoiding close contact with live or dead farm or wild animals;travellers with symptoms of acute respiratory infection should practice cough etiquette (maintain distance, cover coughs and sneezes with disposable tissues or clothing, and wash hands).

Health practitioners and public health authorities should provide to travellers information to reduce the general risk of acute respiratory infections, via travel health clinics, travel agencies, conveyance operators and at points of entry.

If a traveller on board of an aircraft/a ship has signs and symptoms indicative of acute respiratory infections, the model of Maritime declaration of health (Annex 8 of IHR) or the health part of the aircraft general declaration (Annex 9 of IHR) can be used to register the health information onboard and submit to POE health authorities when required by a State Party.'

WHO advice from 10 Jan 2020

bots
13-04-2020, 04:04 PM
Let’s generalise an entire population of people as inherit liars and act like it’s an okay thing to say

i'm talking about the Chinese administration, as everyone well knows. Go try insult someone else