Quiz

[GiRTh]

Story of the who wants to be a millionaire cheats Charles and Diana Ingram,

On at 9pm ITV. Tonight

Cant wait for this. I recently watched the documentary that Martin Baskir did so it would all be fresh in my mind again. They'd have got away with it if they'd have stopped at £128k or at £250k. It was those last two questions that buried them.

[Cherie]

Looking forward to it as well Girth

[Niamh.]

Oh yeah looking forward to it as well, I remember when it happened, such a big scandal

[Barry.]

So it's how who wants to be a millionaire was made?

[GiRTh]

Yeah dont like this background scene setting nonsene. Get to the action

[Niamh.]

So it's how who wants to be a millionaire was made?No it's about the guy who cheated

[Nick.]

Hyped for this, love Sian Clifford

[Barry.]

No it's about the guy who cheated

Yes but they also show how htbam was made too it looks like. Didn't the cheating happen years after it was made?

[GiRTh]

Yes but they also show how htbam was made too it looks like. Didn't the cheating happen years after it was made?Yeah dont like the background of the show bits either. The show was already a world wide hit when the scandal happened.

[LaLaLand]

Enjoying this!

Claire from Fleabag as Ingram’s wife is honestly perfect :laugh2:

[GiRTh]

Aisling Bea :love:

[Barry.]

It's ok so far. Maybe it will pick up.

[LaLaLand]

The cough!! :joker:

[Denver]

The Nest was amazing

[Barry.]

The Nest was amazing

That's great but this for the quiz lol.

[MTVN]

Quite enjoyed that. A lot of the early stuff seemed like filler at first but I guess it served a purpose in showing how much of an impact the show made and how much of an obsession it caused in people. Is it all true about her brother being on it 4 times? You'd think that would be a very basic thing to check every time they invited guests but I guess it was more of a naive time in terms of what people could do with technology? I didn't think the phone a friends could just be hanging around anywhere/with anyone either, I thought they'd make them be in a room just off the studio or something

[GiRTh]

CPoVMlSazbQFor anyone who wants to see the whole thing with the coughs highlighted. The last two questions crack me up. They were really pushing it too far by then :laugh:

First episode was a bit disappointing. I dont really want to know or care that they had debts.

[GiRTh]

@ 38 minutes in, you can clearly hear the *cough* *No* . Then when Wittock coughs as Ingram says 'Paris' he clearly abruptly stops. How the hell did they think they'd get away with this :laugh:

Theres also some nose blowing at around that time possibly a type of 'All stop' signal but not sure what was going on TBH

[Jack_]

The writers of this are on record as saying they’ve deliberately produced it in a way which explores the possibility that the Ingram's were innocent, so don’t be surprised if some of the episodes appear to be sympathetic towards them. I actually think that makes it more fun if we’re left to draw our own conclusions. Apparently the stage show (which this is based on) had the audience vote Guilty or Innocent each night :joker:

Great opener. Personally really enjoyed the commissioning/piloting part, Millionaire was a phenomenon so it was interesting to see the inner workings of that. My favourite bit was actually all the syndicate stuff though, never knew about any of that

[Denver]

I'm surprised Charles never did CBB seeing as he did 3 other celebrity shows after

[Jack_]

This is really bloody good

[Niamh.]

Yeah really enjoying it too

[GoldHeart]

Think i only saw the promo for it today , i'll have to watch it on catch-up .

I remember the scandal like it was yesterday :rolleyes: , look how famous he became afterwards appearing on wife swap etc.

The famous *cough * "NO" was beyond pathetic :joker:, could they of been any more obvious. He got greedy and went for the million !! .

[MTVN]

I'm surprised Charles never did CBB seeing as he did 3 other celebrity shows after

Probably would have if it was the C5 era

[arista]

The Lawyer for that Criminal Cad
was on first mins of This Morning HD itv
claiming the coughs meant nothing......................
he thinks he can clear his name

[MTVN]

Well after that I am convinced that he was totally innocent

Justice for the Major!

[Niamh.]

Well after that I am convinced that he was totally innocent



Justice for the Major!Yeah same here actually

[Marsh.]

Well after that I am convinced that he was totally innocent

Justice for the Major!

Yeah same here actually

:crazy:

[Cherie]

Well after that I am convinced that he was totally innocent

Justice for the Major!

Yeah same here actually

Yip

[hijaxers]

Chris Tarrant himself on GMB said the whole prosecution sum up was left out and that was very important ~ lets not forget he was done for insurance fraud 6mths before ~ he should never have got on the show ~ they took someone elses money away when they found out he had a record.

[Niamh.]

Chris Tarrant himself on GMB said the whole prosecution sum up was left out and that was very important ~ lets not forget he was done for insurance fraud 6mths before ~ he should never have got on the show ~ they took someone elses money away when they found out he had a record.Yeah, I know these shows can be very biased, it's hard to know who to believe, the bit about the coughing in Judith's stint and the fact that there were almost 200 coughs throughout the show and that we couldn't hear proper unedited tapes of it too made me lean in his favour

[Niamh.]

Also, is that true about someone killing their dog? Even if they are guilty why take it out on the dog ffs. And why would people be that mad anyway, it's funny more than anything

[GoldHeart]

From day 1 they seemed guilty and i still think that , the evidence is deafening .

The Quiz dramatisation was entertaining yet interesting to see it from the other side , and the barrister defending them was almost convincing and clever. But both the Ingram's behaviour was weird and obsessive .

I remember watching this documentary when it aired years ago , I'm NOT a Bashire fan , i'm interested in the testimonials of the witnesses who were actually there who suspected something was going on.

D5r8yE_bT78

[LaLaLand]

Also, is that true about someone killing their dog? Even if they are guilty why take it out on the dog ffs. And why would people be that mad anyway, it's funny more than anything

Did the Ingrams’ dog get shot?

In a sequence of scenes showing the impact of the trial on the Ingrams’ personal lives, we see the Major spat upon by teenagers while out on a run, their daughters taunted by former school friends and - most upsettingly - their dog bleeding after apparently being shot at by a passer-by.

This scene appears to be a composite of two horrible instances involving the Ingrams’ pets.

“Our dog was kicked and punched by six youths and subsequently died,” Charles told BBC News in 2007.

“Our cat was shot with an air pistol.”

From this [pretty good] article: Fact vs Fiction: How does the final episode of Quiz compare to the Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? trial (https://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/quiz-episode-three-true-story-charles-ingram-court-case-a4415211.html)

[GiRTh]

From day 1 they seemed guilty and i still think that , the evidence is deafening .

The Quiz dramatisation was entertaining yet interesting to see it from the other side , and the barrister defending them was almost convincing and clever. But both the Ingram's behaviour was weird and obsessive .

I remember watching this documentary when it aired years ago , I'm NOT a Bashire fan , i'm interested in the testimonials of the witnesses who were actually there who suspected something was going on.

D5r8yE_bT78:clap1:

Anyone saying other wise is loco. The vid I put up just two days ago has been taken down but to watch the whole thing is absolutely damning. :shrug:

[Rob!]

Presumably, the case for the prosecution that we weren’t shown was the case that we’ve all built up in our minds against them ever since this first happened and haven’t received anything to challenge it in 19 years.
I thoroughly enjoyed it and there were some interesting points raised, the comparison to Judith Keppel for example and the coughs in her show, but honestly watch the Major Fraud documentary - there are points raised in that that Quiz didn’t even address. It was a fascinating drama that did its bit to show the Ingram’s side of the story, which they’re fully entitled to, but no. It hasn’t changed my view that they’re guilty whatsoever.
It does seem to have altered plenty of people’s views though and I’m slightly bewildered that ITV showed a drama that doesn’t show them in the best of lights. Quite gutsy of them really.

[MTVN]

Seems to me that even if they were guilty its pretty questionable for the police to only use evidence that had been provided by the shows producers which had been edited to make the cheating look more blatant

Also I started out thinking it was farfetched for the coughing to be coincidental, well now I think its quite farfetched that this plan could have come together like that from one very brief phone call with a man they'd never met and who's coughing problem could have confused things numerous times. I also thought his explanation for why he changed answers to Craig David - the audiences gasp - made a lot of sense

[Maxxie.]

I believe their appealing it with a big human rights lawyer where apparently under new technology they can supposedly prove that some or most of these coughs didn't actually come from Whittock.

I think its unlikely anything will come from it but imagine the irony if they did because of a drama itv put out :joker: would itv owe them £1million? :joker:

[GiRTh]

Seems to me that even if they were guilty its pretty questionable for the police to only use evidence that had been provided by the shows producers which had been edited to make the cheating look more blatant

Also I started out thinking it was farfetched for the coughing to be coincidental, well now I think its quite farfetched that this plan could have come together like that from one very brief phone call with a man they'd never met and who's coughing problem could have confused things numerous times. I also thought his explanation for why he changed answers to Craig David - the audiences gasp - made a lot of senseI agree with your comments on the Craig David question but pretty much disagree with every thing else. Regarding that question I dont agree with the common consensus that Diana Ingram coughed. Given the way the studio is set up she'd be too far away for Ingram to hear properly. I think Ingram almost literally pulled that answer out of his ass and guessed, correctly.

My biggest ciriticism of the show was that it was far too romantic in terms of how the Ingrams were portrayed. The acting was top notch but right from the first show I had no interest in the fact they had debts and that Dianas hapless brother was a bit of a screw up. They spent so much time on what I thoguht were irrelevancies and then spent about 5 minutes on the episode itself. Anyone who watches the episode in its entirety with the coughs turned up cannot beleives Ingrams story. I've said it a few times, up until the £125,000 there has only been about 5 coughs, all quite spaced out and I'm certain if they'd tapped out at that stage they'd have got away with it. As the technician nicely puts it in the Bashir docuemnetary - when you have in excess of 15 coughs at specific points that appear to be leading somebody - add that to the bizarre way he played every question, Ingrams story is not beleivable. Quiz was a romantic portrayal of the Charles and Diana INgram Millionaire story, top notch acting but it glossed over, for me, the most important part, that there is a mass of evidence in the episode itself that supports Ingrams cheated.

[GiRTh]

BBWR0I9LbOQAnother editted video but still enough for me to....:laugh:

[James]

I caught up on this drama the other day.

They did seem to be implying they might be innocent, but when you watch the actual show back it is bizarre how he changes his answers, and doesn't give any logic for it.

[Denver]

A second series is being made and will follow life after including his foray into reality tv

[Samm]

I don't see the need for a second series tbh, the writer is brilliant however, I think he should make a sequel in the form of other TV scandals, I reckon a TV drama based on Nasty Nick would go down a storm

[GiRTh]

TQ-8S1DyHo4Good vid.

Agree with Moyles at about 1.50. The Ingrams didnt come across as particularly likeable during the whole episode and one weakness of the series was the acting was so good the ingrams came acorss as much nicer than they actally were.

[Marsh.]

I don't see the need for a second series tbh, the writer is brilliant however, I think he should make a sequel in the form of other TV scandals, I reckon a TV drama based on Nasty Nick would go down a storm

Is there enough behind the scenes going on for that to make a film/drama though? Everything there was to do with it played out onscreen.

[GoldHeart]

I don't see the need for a second series tbh, the writer is brilliant however, I think he should make a sequel in the form of other TV scandals, I reckon a TV drama based on Nasty Nick would go down a storm

They'd probably twist the Nasty Nick story , the weird thing is when he re entered UBB he seemed a chilled out guy . Not that nasty.

It was obvious he was playing the game too hard back in 2000 . He did some silly things and said some daft things, but it was clearly part of his "plan" which failed anyway :joker: .