When should schools go back

[michael21]

Not antill September might be longer I think

[Crimson Dynamo]

Soon as we can the lazy little oiks. I'd have them all in the fields picking fruit.


:oh:

[michael21]

Soon as we can the lazy little oiks. I'd have them all in the fields picking fruit.


:oh:

Sure :laugh:

[Zizu]

They can’t reopen the schools completely ( for all pupils) whilst there’s still around 1000 innocent people dying each and EVERY day ( including care homes and at their own homes ) . A leading authority stated the other day that they can’t even consider it until the daily death rate is under 100 ..

Also many ( decent ) parents won’t risk sending their precious children to the school germ breeding factories for some time ... some families have older parents also living in the family home so they will also keep their children away from school..

The only parents clamouring for the kids to go back are the ones who probably don’t even know where their unruly teenagers are at this very moment and others where their little brats are simply driving them mad at home. .

Sorry rant over !


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[Zizu]

Also given the governments new initiatives.. . supplying laptops and tablets to pupils , the new online learning academy and the new BBC learning platform all apparently launching today SUGGESTS that schools will thankfully be closed for some considerable time !!


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[Niamh.]

I think reopening schools this side of summer is a very bad idea, far too difficult to implement proper social distancing

[michael21]

I thinking reopening schools this side of summer is a very bad idea, far too difficult to implement proper social distancing

I don't want them to reopen as it will set us back to square one

[Zizu]

I think reopening schools this side of summer is a very bad idea, far too difficult to implement proper social distancing



Especially given the safe distance should have been 13 feet .. all along !!


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[michael21]

Especially given the safe distance should have been 13 feet .. all along !!


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You might be right

[smudgie]

January.

[michael21]

January.

What year

[Saph]

can they not just cancel summer holidays

[Denver]

can they not just cancel summer holidays

This kids dont need another holiday till Xmas 2021

[Marsh.]

This kids dont need another holiday till Xmas 2021

#edgy #controversy #oooherrr

[AnnieK]

They can’t reopen the schools completely ( for all pupils) whilst there’s still around 1000 innocent people dying each and EVERY day ( including care homes and at their own homes ) . A leading authority stated the other day that they can’t even consider it until the daily death rate is under 100 ..

Also many ( decent ) parents won’t risk sending their precious children to the school germ breeding factories for some time ... some families have older parents also living in the family home so they will also keep their children away from school..

The only parents clamouring for the kids to go back are the ones who probably don’t even know where their unruly teenagers are at this very moment and others where their little brats are simply driving them mad at home. .

Sorry rant over !


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Not necessarily true. I would love my son to be back in school, getting the education he deserves. He is only year 4 and well ahead of his education targets but home schooling is just not the same as being in an education setting.

I think they will be back before the summer break but not for long and it won't be full classes or normal as to what they are used to.

I feel for kids and parents during this time.

[Cherie]

For two weeks before summer break so they can transition, particularly year 6 and nursery year groups

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: schools are partially reopening here on 11th of May, just adding this for statistics


most parents are overjoyed :facepalm: urgh i hate career-invested parents who dislike their children being with them 24/7, if you want to focus on career, don't go for children


so yeah if more infected come now here, it is on those parents their hands :idc:

[Zizu]

can they not just cancel summer holidays



Teachers and classroom assistants have just worked through their Easter holidays !!

You want to take their summer break away as well ..


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[Zizu]

Not necessarily true. I would love my son to be back in school, getting the education he deserves. He is only year 4 and well ahead of his education targets but home schooling is just not the same as being in an education setting.

I think they will be back before the summer break but not for long and it won't be full classes or normal as to what they are used to.

I feel for kids and parents during this time.



As you say EVEN if the schools do go back for a few weeks end of June early July - there won’t be any real teaching / learning happening - the kids certainly won’t be open to learning whatever their parents choose to believe . It will be low key and possibly enable some year 6 transition visits to high schools ..




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[michael21]

For two weeks before summer break so they can transition, particularly year 6 and nursery year groups

Good thinking

Also an afternoon in August to get to know new teachers

[Cherie]

Good thinking

Also an afternoon in August to get to know new teachers

Like it Mikey I will replace Gavin Williamson as Education Minister and you can be my deputy

[Saph]

Teachers and classroom assistants have just worked through their Easter holidays !!

You want to take their summer break away as well ..


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my mums a teaching assistant and shes been furloughed until september at least..

idk about every school but at hers, only 1 teacher per 10 attending students are needed in the school at any one time so theres literally maybe 3 teachers (and a few higher up/office staff) who are even going in

[michael21]

Like it Mikey I will replace Gavin Williamson as Education Minister and you can be my deputy

Yes :cheer2:

[Zizu]

my mums a teaching assistant and shes been furloughed until september at least..



idk about every school but at hers, only 1 teacher per 10 attending students are needed in the school at any one time so theres literally maybe 3 teachers (and a few higher up/office staff) who are even going in



Sounds like she got lucky ..


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[Nicky91]

it'll be discussed here further in our dutch parliament too, if teachers (who are in age risk group) can be told not to come to work in the current times, and let younger teachers step in for them

our parliament does that alongside OMT (outbreak management team)

[JerseyWins]

I think they could be alright aiming for next school year (around September or maybe a bit of a delay) --- but who knows what happens with this whole thing

[Zizu]

I think they could be alright aiming for next school year (around September or maybe a bit of a delay) --- but who knows what happens with this whole thing



Trouble is the media ( looking to make headlines) and some parents ( looking to offload their offspring) are pushing for the schools to open sooner rather than later ... even despite nearly a thousand people dying each day ( in the lockdown phase)

Reopening of schools hasn’t even come into the discussions


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[michael21]

Ireland schools will reopened in September phases 5 of there plan :cheer2:


UK needs to do the same

[Niamh.]

Ireland schools will reopened in September phases 5 of there plan :cheer2:





UK needs to do the sameYeah that's on the condition that we dont take a step back or have a spike in cases after any of the other phases so fingers crossed

[Beastie]

Asap hopefully.

[michael21]

7pm tonight might be news on some schools

[Kazanne]

Soon as we can the lazy little oiks. I'd have them all in the fields picking fruit.


:oh:

The teachers will be loving it,lol.

[Marsh.]

The teachers will be loving it,lol.

Teachers don't tend to stop working when the kids aren't there.

[michael21]

No need to go opening schools on June the 1

[AnnieK]

Sending Reception and Year 1 back first in primary seems ridiculous. They do the least amount of actual learning, are still practically babies so asking them to understand any concept if social distancing will be futile plus their parents have to deliver them to school en masse......at least the older kids in primary would have more of a chance at getting it slightly that they need to keep their distance. As a parent, I wouldn't be happy using reception aged children as guinea pigs to see if the R rate increases

[Cherie]

Sending Reception and Year 1 back first in primary seems ridiculous. They do the least amount of actual learning, are still practically babies so asking them to understand any concept if social distancing will be futile plus their parents have to deliver them to school en masse......at least the older kids in primary would have more of a chance at getting it slightly that they need to keep their distance. As a parent, I wouldn't be happy using reception aged children as guinea pigs to see if the R rate increases

Agree with this year 6s yes for transition and maybe the secondary school kids with exams next year but that’s it

[michael21]

Yes this is bad news if it happens

[Marsh.]

Tomorrow.

[Strictly Jake]

My daughters in reception and as much as she wants to go to school i wouldnt be happy sending her so soon!!

[michael21]

My daughters in reception and as much as she wants to go to school i wouldnt be happy sending her so soon!!

Best keep her home till September

[Zizu]

Best keep her home till September



Totally agree !!




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[Zizu]

Sending Reception and Year 1 back first in primary seems ridiculous. They do the least amount of actual learning, are still practically babies so asking them to understand any concept if social distancing will be futile plus their parents have to deliver them to school en masse......at least the older kids in primary would have more of a chance at getting it slightly that they need to keep their distance. As a parent, I wouldn't be happy using reception aged children as guinea pigs to see if the R rate increases



Great points !!


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[Cherie]

Anyone know how Denmark is getting on

[michael21]

Anyone know how Denmark is getting on

No I get josy or James to add then to the daily slide there be on the news channel after 5pm not before

[Crimson Dynamo]

2 under 14s have died in eng Wales from a pop of 14 million


There is zero risk to children

[Josy]

When it's safe...

2 under 14s have died in eng Wales from a pop of 14 million


There is zero risk to childrenSchools cant deal with nits never mind controlling a pandemic

[LukeB]

September (if safe)

they nearly break up for summer holidays so there's no point in sending them back.

[Marsh.]

2 under 14s have died in eng Wales from a pop of 14 million


There is zero risk to children

Hardly "zero" is it. It's also not just about the kids themselves being at risk but the risk of spreading it further.

[Beso]

When it's safe...

Schools cant deal with nits never mind controlling a pandemic

this is our answer.

[Zizu]

Sending Reception and Year 1 back first in primary seems ridiculous. They do the least amount of actual learning, are still practically babies so asking them to understand any concept if social distancing will be futile plus their parents have to deliver them to school en masse......at least the older kids in primary would have more of a chance at getting it slightly that they need to keep their distance. As a parent, I wouldn't be happy using reception aged children as guinea pigs to see if the R rate increases



Schools that have nurseries will also have them in as well on the 1st June

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[michael21]

2 under 14s have died in eng Wales from a pop of 14 million


There is zero risk to children

It's not the kids it there family the older members that are at risk

[Zizu]

Seems a very odd decision to be basically experimenting with our youngest kids and all the staff involved ...


Speaking at the Downing Street press conference on Monday (April 27), Prof Whitty said if you have schools open, it does contribute to the infection rate.

“If you close schools, the R goes down, it was part of the collection of things that were done in March to try and pull the R from where it was, near three, to where it is now, below one"


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[Zizu]

Looks like complete chaos ...


What other countries are doing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/51204456


Pupils have started returning to school in some countries too, such as France - where secondary school pupils have to wear masks in school. In Denmark, children are being kept further apart than usual and, where possible, lessons are being held outside; classes in Norway have been reduced to a maximum of 15 students to allow for social distancing. Some school playgrounds are divided, and there is a lot of focus on hygiene - particularly hand washing; Switzerland is allowing children under 10 to have "brief" meetings, and even hugs with their grandparents.


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[Zizu]

As every one associated with schools knows, schools are hubs of infection anyway - and children certainly are super spreaders.

I fail to see how the government can claim you can't catch it from kids, when you can from hard surfaces?..


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[Zizu]

Just seen this rather interesting comment from a deputy head on another forum thread frequented by predominantly teachers / heads / SLTs etc

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“Following an email to parents my childrens school have reported 70% of parents have said they will not return to school on June 1st.


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[Zizu]

Joint General Secretary, National Education Union . Kevin Courtney just said it's very unlikely primary schools will be going back in June


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[Kazanne]

Regarding schools,I work in a school and believe it or not a school will be one of the safest places for your kids,we have had a detailed email of what is in place,the virus will not be going away anytime soon,so we have to gradually get them back into education.IF you feel scared about it just keep them at home.

[Kazanne]

As every one associated with schools knows, schools are hubs of infection anyway - and children certainly are super spreaders.

I fail to see how the government can claim you can't catch it from kids, when you can from hard surfaces?..


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The virus was around Zizu long before we even knew of it's impact.

[Zizu]

The virus was around Zizu long before we even knew of it's impact.



That’s irrelevant.. we’re still seeing thousands of new infections daily and hundreds of deaths .

So as I said ..

As every one associated with schools knows, schools are hubs of infection anyway - and children certainly are super spreaders.

I fail to see how the government can claim you can't catch it from kids and their grubby hands when you can from hard surfaces and clothes ?..






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[Zizu]

The petition has hit over 400,000 now !

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[Cherie]

When do you think it will be safe for schools to go back Zizu?

[Kazanne]

schools have been open all the way through this and some children have been going,there has been no news as I have seen that those kids have spread it .

[Niamh.]

schools have been open all the way through this and some children have been going,there has been no news as I have seen that those kids have spread it .

Well, I'm glad they weren't tbh, when it comes to my kids I would rather err on the side of caution anyway :shrug:

[Zizu]

When do you think it will be safe for schools to go back Zizu?



I’ve always felt that Sept should be the focal point for schools to return ( if all safety concerns are settled ) and maybe a week or two in July just for the year 6 pupils to catch up with friends and teachers and have a couple of transition mornings at their new secondary school


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[Kazanne]

Well, I'm glad they weren't tbh, when it comes to my kids I would rather err on the side of caution anyway :shrug:

Well I think most mothers would think like that and its great if you can do that,but some have to work, the schools have had emails to guide us what to do ,you don't have to send your kids and if it makes you feel happier keeping them away,you can,plus some kids are safer at school.

[Cherie]

I’ve always felt that Sept should be the focal point for schools to return ( if all safety concerns are settled ) and maybe a week or two in July just for the year 6 pupils to catch up with friends and teachers and have a couple of transition mornings at their new secondary school


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I do agree with this, I wonder if that it the compromise that will be reached with regard to Year 6s, such a shame if they cant sign off on their primary school years

[Zizu]

schools have been open all the way through this and some children have been going,there has been no news as I have seen that those kids have spread it .



Our school has been seeing between 10 and 17 pupils per day instead of 1,400 - quite a different situation.

Also that small number were in 2 or 3 separate classrooms of no more than 6 - with two staff in attendance each room .

These are teenagers and even they couldn’t be kept apart in class - let alone at break and dinnertime where they were seen hugging and swapping phones .


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[Kazanne]

It's not the kids it there family the older members that are at risk

If they live with their families the risk is low as they have been living with them anyway.Ive taken mine a couple of times.

[Zizu]

I do agree with this, I wonder if that it the compromise that will be reached with regard to Year 6s, such a shame if they cant sign off on their primary school years



I think it’s madness to introduce four additional age groups into the current ongoing system .


In regards to social distancing, no sharing of equipment , one way systems , staggered breaks and dinnertimes - its quite a leap for some primary schools who may be going from ten or so pupils to an maybe an extra 120 each day ( 4 x30)


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[Zizu]

If they live with their families the risk is low as they have been living with them anyway.Ive taken mine a couple of times.



How can a child going back into school ( 1st June) with four other year groups -all unable to follow social distancing guidelines and then going back home to their families NOT be a risk ??


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[Zizu]

So apparently Matt Hancock this morning said there's a higher risk of catching the virus indoors ... thank the lawd we teach all our lessons outside ...


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[Zizu]

This is a copy / paste post lifted from another forum ..

Rather intriguing though ...

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“My husband is the chair of governors at a primary school and he's been liaising with the schools headmistress re going back. Between them they've decided it isnt feasible to do what the government is thinking about doing.

They have a duty of care. If their school cannot meet the requirements set by the govt they are duty bound not to re-open.

So they are opening the school so the little ones can meet their new teachers one by one. But the school wont open until September now”



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[Kazanne]

How can a child going back into school ( 1st June) with four other year groups -all unable to follow social distancing guidelines and then going back home to their families NOT be a risk ??


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They are supervised Zizu and some children are still in school and have all been fine.

[Zizu]

They are supervised Zizu and some children are still in school and have all been fine.



They’ve been ‘fine’ because the on call staff have been outnumbering the actual number of pupils in school more often than not .

There’s a hell of a difference between keeping 10 to 15 children at a safe distance apart to keep around 130 at a safe distance ..


The schools simply don’t have the space to cope with the social distancing guidelines.

Have you not seen any of the news clips showing various primary schools ?

Most of the corridors shown were less than two metres wide .


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[Zizu]

Sooo a peak into the future ??

Schools in Wuhan now have a very thorough procedure in place before the pupil even walks in through the school building.

The pupil goes to the school gates there is someone waiting who sprays the pupils clothes front and back below the neck and then the pupil takes off their mask they've worn to walk to school, and puts in bin, and then the pupil uses hand sanitiser from a dispenser that's laid out on a table in front of the school , and then the pupil lifts both their feet up and someone sprays the bottom of their shoes - and then they are allowed to go in to the school building - each pupil is also given a 'temperature check' before being allowed to enter the school building.



Same applies to all staff Teachers wear masks and have to do a temperature check of each pupil twice a day.



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[Zizu]

Andy Burnham just held a coronavirus press conference on the current situation in Greater Manchester

Andy Burnham was joined joined by Beverley Hughes and GMP Chief Constable Ian Hopkins

Andy Burnham talking on
Schools returning -

He is asked about schools: does he agree with very young children and Y6 going back in June and does he agree with Liverpool’s mayor Joe Anderson, who says he will ‘resist’ the suggestion of a staged schools reopening June 1st ?

In some ways, he says, the position is as with the overall position - you need foresight, so at least with the schools picture you can plan ahead.

It will have to be a phased return, he says.

It is going to be a real challenge to maintain the distancing..

It is ‘desirable I think’ that we return as many students as we can as soon as we can but it has to be done safely.

Until then I don’t think any firm dates can be set.
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Bev Hughes adds that she is ‘really concerned’ about the government setting this target date.

I don’t know what the evidence is, she says, on which they base their decisions.

We don’t know if children are asymptomatic carriers, for example.

I’m certainly concerned about my grandchildren.
This is also a huge challenge for teachers.

It’s ‘incomprehensible’, she says, to start with reception age children; they learn through play and socialisation, so it’s impossible for them to keep a 2m distance.

“I cannot begin to understand the logic behind that”


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[Zizu]

Mayor of Liverpool


Mayor Anderson has made it clear he intends not to follow the government's plans. Education is vital, however it does not come before the health and safety of our children & staff. I will resist allowing schools to reopen in June. To do so risks our children’s and staff safety."


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[Cherie]

Not a word from Sadiq Khan on the issue

and he hasn't put any extra trains or buses on today as he says London is still shut....:umm2: so he is happy to force the extra 9% rise in public transport use today onto the existing skeleton service ...

[Zizu]

Interesting excerpt of a school letter sent out to parents yesterday... I certainly don’t like the part about not abiding by the two metre rule - surely that is the one of the main stipulations if not THE main one ?


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Dear parent / guardian

The Government have published guidance for a staged reopening of primary schools - provisionally on 1st June .

The government understands that primary age children cannot be expected to remain 2 metres apart from each other and staff.

Due to this, our school will work through the list of safety measures set out below to minimise any risks ...



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[Zizu]

Nobody is expecting schools to stay closed forever. But we're still seeing hundreds - closer to a thousand - of people dying every day. Is there any other country that's reopened schools when deaths are still that high?

Most countries never even reached that number to begin with.


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[michael21]

What has chages nothing school should not be going back yet

[Zizu]

The BBC are currently showing how a primary school is coping with reopening (with classes of just ten pupils !)

Denmark have only had a couple of hundred deaths in TOTAL so that’s about HALF our DAILY number.


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[Zizu]

An interesting development ..


Department for Education's chief scientific adviser, Osama Rahman, appearing before the Science and Technology Committee, said decisions around opening schools, such as which year groups went back first, had not been taken by the department.
Asked whether he had assessed the safety guidance given to schools and how it might be implemented, the DFE's scientific adviser told MPs: "I haven't."
As such he was unable to say what evidence was behind the decision to reopen schools - or to say how many under-18s had died from the virus.
And Mr Rahman told MPs there was only "low confidence" in evidence suggesting that children transmit Covid-19 any less than adults.
"As a former teacher listening to this I don't think the profession is going to be at all satisfied by what they are hearing at the moment," said Scottish National Party MP Carol Monaghan.
Patrick Roach, leader of the Nasuwt teachers' union, said the DFE adviser's comments were "truly shocking and disturbing".
In their joint statement, nine unions, including the National Education Union and the National Association of Head Teachers, rejected the plans for a phased return of primary school pupils after half term - saying it was still too early to be safe.
The unions called for a delay until a "full roll-out of a national test and trace scheme" was in place and there were extra resources for cleaning, protective equipment and risk assessments.


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[Zizu]

I’m seeing suggestions online where secondary schools are preparing to welcome back their year 10’s on the 1st June and sending out questionnaires to parents testing the water to see how many will actually be sending their children in .. ???!


I was initially under the impression that the first stage was for primary schools to reopen with reception, year 1 and year 6 but then days later it emerged that schools with nurseries would also be allowing then to return ?!?




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[Cherie]

I’m seeing suggestions online where secondary schools are preparing to welcome back their year 10’s on the 1st June and sending out questionnaires to parents testing the water to see how many will actually be sending their children in .. ???!


I was initially under the impression that the first stage was for primary schools to reopen with reception, year 1 and year 6 but then days later it emerged that schools with nurseries would also be allowing then to return ?!?




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From the address on Sunday

Our ambition is that secondary pupils facing exams next year will get at least some time with their teachers before the holidays.

[Zizu]

From the address on Sunday



Our ambition is that secondary pupils facing exams next year will get at least some time with their teachers before the holidays.



Copy / paste

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Johnson’s plan would see pupils in reception, year one and year six at English primaries returning from 1 June, to be followed soon after by other years.

Only after that would secondary school pupils return, and only those in year 10 and year 12 – the first years of GCSE and A-level exams respectively – had a realistic prospect of returning to school by the end of the school year in JULY .




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[Zizu]

From the address on Sunday



Our ambition is that secondary pupils facing exams next year will get at least some time with their teachers before the holidays.



Also no mention of secondary schools/ pupils in this statement either ..

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Professor Whitty said that while reopening schools would pose a low risk to children themselves, the government would be consulting with teachers over the risks they faced.
and
the one good thing about this virus, and it really is only one good thing, is it’s very, very low in children, which is in contrast to many other infectious diseases." The second risk was whether "having primary schools come back" would mean "a significant upswing" in the infection rate. "The view is, if it’s done very carefully, if it’s done slowly, then it is very unlikely to do that," he added.


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[Cherie]

Also no mention of secondary schools/ pupils in this statement either ..

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Professor Whitty said that while reopening schools would pose a low risk to children themselves, the government would be consulting with teachers over the risks they faced.
and
the one good thing about this virus, and it really is only one good thing, is it’s very, very low in children, which is in contrast to many other infectious diseases." The second risk was whether "having primary schools come back" would mean "a significant upswing" in the infection rate. "The view is, if it’s done very carefully, if it’s done slowly, then it is very unlikely to do that," he added.


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My quote is from Bojo's speech last Sunday

[Kazanne]

People are not selfish to want businesses to reopen and the economy to get going again, it's those who sit at home, scared to live, but expecting others to 'take the risk' to ensure that post is delivered, Amazon parcels arrive on time, that medical care is available if needed, to make sure that their lights come on when they flick the switch, that their gas cooker lights when needed, that there's food on the shelves in the shops when they want it, the people available to make sure their internet works...basically everyone else can take the risks to ensure that those who want lockdown to continue are comfortable.....but somehow, others are the selfish ones for wanting lockdown lifted a bit .It has to happen at some point.

[Zizu]

My quote is from Bojo's speech last Sunday



Yes but ‘ at least get some time in school’ doesn’t equate to the 1st June for 7 weeks along with primary schools , surely ?

I took that sentence to mean maybe the last two or so weeks of the term ..



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[MTVN]

So where have you seen that any year 10s would return on June 1st?

[Beso]

To think parents will send back their children before the end of terminus ridiculous.

[Cherie]

Yes but ‘ at least get some time in school’ doesn’t equate to the 1st June for 7 weeks along with primary schools , surely ?

I took that sentence to mean maybe the last two or so weeks of the term ..



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Class sizes will be cut in half so they will have to stagger when they go in, so it might take 6 weeks to give all of them time in school, I haven't seen 1st June given as a date, maybe you can link?

[Crimson Dynamo]

To think parents will send back their children before the end of terminus ridiculous.

Tramtastic!

[Zizu]

Class sizes will be cut in half so they will have to stagger when they go in, so it might take 6 weeks to give all of them time in school, I haven't seen 1st June given as a date, maybe you can link?



Not a link as such just a snippet of a high school bulletin..

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There will be no high school having a full cohort of Year 10s in on any given day indeed schools will only have half or a third of their cohorts in at any one time.

Although schools may prepare for pupils to returning on the 1st June most schools are looking at week beginning 8th June before any 'lessons' begin.

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[Zizu]

....

[Zizu]

So where have you seen that any year 10s would return on June 1st?


Sample / excerpt of a school bulletin..

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There will be no high school having a full cohort of Year 10s in on any given day indeed schools will only have half or a third of their cohorts in at any one time.

Although schools may prepare for pupils to returning on the 1st June most schools are looking at week beginning 8th June before any 'lessons' begin.


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[Zizu]

This can’t be true ... can it ?

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Sky News apparently reporting on a study that has confirmed children from age of 5 to 14 more than likely to be the highest infected of any age group from covid -19 .

Also breaking news the R is now around 1 in some parts of the country


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[Zizu]

This is just typical !!

The all important meeting between the unions and the government !!??!!

Guess who wasn’t present !?

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Gavin Williamson wasn’t at today’s meeting which was done remotely. It was just the unions and science advisors.


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[AnnieK]

This is just typical !!

The all important meeting between the unions and the government !!??!!

Guess who wasn’t present !?

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Gavin Williamson wasn’t at today’s meeting which was done remotely. It was just the unions and science advisors.


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They said on the news last night that he wouldn't be there as the unions requested he not be so they could get the unbiased facts without government interruption.

[Zizu]

They said on the news last night that he wouldn't be there as the unions requested he not be so they could get the unbiased facts without government interruption.



Mmmmmmm..


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[AnnieK]

Mmmmmmm..


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Makes sense for the Unions to get the last scientific data before making their decisions and advising the members. Having Gov representation would have only muddied the waters and become a slanging match as always.

The Unions need to facts....not political opinion

[Zizu]

Makes sense for the Unions to get the last scientific data before making their decisions and advising the members. Having Gov representation would have only muddied the waters and become a slanging match as always.



The Unions need to facts....not political opinion



Fair point ...


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[Zizu]

Teaching unions claim that today’s meeting with the government sadly raised more questions than answers ..


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[Zizu]

Breaking News


Sky News Breaking
‏Verified account @SkyNewsBreak

The British Medical Association has backed teaching unions who have opposed the UK government's plan to reopen schools in England from 1 June


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[Crimson Dynamo]

unions

[michael21]

Breaking News


Sky News Breaking
‏Verified account @SkyNewsBreak

The British Medical Association has backed teaching unions who have opposed the UK government's plan to reopen schools in England from 1 June


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This is good newssssss

[Strictly Jake]

I just dont know why they think education is that important

My daughter who is 4 loves school she adores her teacher she has lots of friends and she has really come in to her own. She has learnt so much in the short amount of time she has been there. She has seemed to take a bit of a step backwards since lockdown as much as we try to do the homeschooling(a challenge when trying to figure out some sort of routine with a newborn baby and the strange times in which we live) but its not the same as school

So yes I know school is important for so many reasons, but is it more important than health and life? Yes I am aware it is optional to choose if they go in or not, I am also aware that schools have been open for some students, I clean at a school, thankfully they gave me 12 weeks off.

But if so many do return. A class of 15. That is putting all those children at risk. It seems too early and Im afraid its going to be a test of will it work or will it not...only time will tell and my fear is they may all bare the very nasty brunt of it. But hopefully not.

Im also quite fearful of returning to the high school to clean. Yes im sure we will be given PPE and its nothing compared to what frontline and key worker staff have had to cope with but I cant help but feel a little anxious

I found myself quite suprised the other day when I asked my daughter some questions about corona virus

I asked her what is was.. she said an illness

I asked her how it happened....she said it came it goes it comes and goes again(quite a confusing answer but kind of made sense!)

I asked her what we need to do....she said stay home stay safe(I almost fell off my chair at that point I had no idea she would have known that! She likes reading words on telly so I guess she had read it)

I asked her if she wants to go back to school if they have to wear masks... she said no thats scary

Then I asked her if she will hug her friends.... she said yey(which is the very reason people are afraid for that age group they like to socialise like that)

[Zizu]

Sample of union letter to members







Urgent advice for members

The committee met on Thursday 14 May and agreed that the union should continue to oppose the government’s unsafe proposal to increase pupil numbers in England from 1 June.



The committee agreed that if you are approached by your employer to engage with planning for reopening more widely from 1 June you should make it clear that the current situation is not the fault of your individual school, and that your union continues to take up the issue with the government.

It also states that your involvement in any meetings and discussions are for information sharing only and does not mean you are agreeing to unsafe reopening more widely from 1 June.

Further, it calls on your school to join with the unions in urging the government to abandon its reckless plan for an unsafe increase in pupil numbers from 1 June.


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[Zizu]

Sobering stats from between 9 March and 20 April .

A minimum of 65 staff working in the education sector died after contracting the virus – more than two dozen of whom were nursery, primary, secondary, or special school teachers, according to figures published yesterday by the Office of National Statistics (ONS).




There were 65 deaths attributed to the Covid -19 virus in education between 9th March and 20th April including 26 teachers , 10 teaching assistants , 2 secretaries and various other educational staff.


The data does not specify when each death was recorded – so the true weekly total is not known yet but this equates to an average of four teachers and 2 classroom assistants dying with coronavirus in each of the last 6 weeks - deaths of any staff over 65 are not included !


https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-revealed-least-26-teachers-have-died-covid-19



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[Zizu]

Of course the main reason for this extended opening of schools is to provide child care so that their long-suffering parents can get back to work. Why else?

They're scared children will fall behind? Cobblers. For one, it's a bit late, for another, we'll only get about 50% back if we're lucky(?) and for a third, we'll be teaching very little of importance anyway.

They're worried about children's mental well-being? Again, bollox. What do they think it's going to do to children (particularly young children) when they're being taught day after day in groups they weren't familiar with, with a a teacher that may well not be theirs, in an unfamiliar classroom, on an unfamiliar timetable and in an environment where half their classmates still aren't running the risk of encountering? What do we say to children when they ask why they're back in school and their friends are not?

It's an economic decision. Plain and simple.


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[Kazanne]

Of course the main reason for this extended opening of schools is to provide child care so that their long-suffering parents can get back to work. Why else?

They're scared children will fall behind? Cobblers. For one, it's a bit late, for another, we'll only get about 50% back if we're lucky(?) and for a third, we'll be teaching very little of importance anyway.

They're worried about children's mental well-being? Again, bollox. What do they think it's going to do to children (particularly young children) when they're being taught day after day in groups they weren't familiar with, with a a teacher that may well not be theirs, in an unfamiliar classroom, on an unfamiliar timetable and in an environment where half their classmates still aren't running the risk of encountering? What do we say to children when they ask why they're back in school and their friends are not?

It's an economic decision. Plain and simple.


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The ramifications of the economy tanking could be far far worse than this virus has been,do people even think about what could happen ? and again IF your scared to send your children to school then don't,its quite simple really.

[Zizu]

The ramifications of the economy tanking could be far far worse than this virus has been,do people even think about what could happen ? and again IF your scared to send your children to school then don't,its quite simple really.



It’s not just about the kids !!

We are talking about the lives of hundreds of thousands of staff who will be in close proximity to thousands of children in perfect incubators ( classrooms) .

There’s a petition signed by over 400,000 people in education plus concerned parents .

( including 15,000+ headmasters , around 200,000 teachers , 70,000+ classroom assistants )


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[Zizu]

Yet another reason to keep schools closed and to worry parents ..


World Health Organization (WHO) Retweeted
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus @DrTedros 5h
@WHO
released a scientific brief on Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children:

https://bit.ly/2TbyCl3

I call on all clinicians worldwide to work with your national authorities and WHO to be on the alert and better understand this syndrome in children. #COVID19


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[Scarlett.]

At this point sending them back in either August or September would make the most sense

[Strictly Jake]

It’s not just about the kids !!

We are talking about the lives of hundreds of thousands of staff who will be in close proximity to thousands of children in perfect incubators ( classrooms) .

There’s a petition signed by over 400,000 people in education plus concerned parents .

( including 15,000+ headmasters , around 200,000 teachers , 70,000+ classroom assistants )


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Plus cleaners like myself who work at a school who will have to wipe everything down that has been used. Very risky

[Zizu]

At this point sending them back in either August or September would make the most sense



Has to be Sept .. can’t start messing with summer holidays/ staff contracts .


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[Zizu]

Plus cleaners like myself who work at a school who will have to wipe everything down that has been used. Very risky



Yes of course .. those stats include two secretaries who will have minimal contact with children / staff ... in comparison


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[Cherie]

Yes of course .. those stats include two secretaries who will have minimal contact with children / staff ... in comparison


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and you know for sure these secretaries were at work when they picked it up, not from a family member or when they were on a bus, or at a restaurant or sking in Italy at half term


stop scaremongering

[Zizu]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-52635611?fbclid=IwAR0Z-6DetgFTJM0RjD0wLKKACBZWYaSGmpASoJ79rEjTXM639v74aC2 6nUM


In a statement, the Sheiling School, based in Thornbury, said: "Up to 18 pupils were attending the school on a regular basis with up to 30 educational staff on site.

"The school has been following strict guidance on social distancing where possible, use of PPE and daily infection control cleaning but despite these rigorous measures, two members of staff have, very regrettably, tested positive for the virus."

The NEU spokesman said: "This is the first local case of a Covid-19 outbreak in a school, maybe the first nationally.

"There is a particular problem in special schools as the children do not always have the capacity to understand new safety procedures including social distancing."
BBC News Bristol - 16th May 2020


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[Zizu]

and you know for sure these secretaries were at work when they picked it up, not from a family member or when they were on a bus, or at a restaurant or sking in Italy at half term


stop scaremongering



We’ve been here before .. that’s like suggesting that all those poor , poor doctors, nurses and other nhs workers contracted the virus out on their daily walks or the weekly shopping trip .


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[Zizu]

Staff and students sent home as Lincolnshire school closed after kids display symptoms of coronavirus

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/lincolnshire-school-closes-coronavirus-health-4135650?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar



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[Zizu]

If it’s such a good idea to get the kids back to school now, why are Eton and Harrow not allowing pupils back until September?


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[bots]

aren't Eton and the like primarily residential, so a completely different scenario to day school

[Zizu]

aren't Eton and the like primarily residential, so a completely different scenario to day school



The point is that they don’t think it’s safe ..


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[bots]

The point is that they don’t think it’s safe ..


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well, no, the point is it's not comparing like with like

[Zizu]

well, no, the point is it's not comparing like with like



Well they’re not opening until Sept .. what does that suggest ?


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[Zizu]

More and more schools / authorities are saying that they will not reopen on 1st June ..


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[Kazanne]

More and more schools / authorities are saying that they will not reopen on 1st June ..


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That's up to them isn't it ? What's your thoughts about the kids of nurses ,doctors ,electricians , plumbers delivery drivers , the list goes on, if these people took that stance we'de all be sat in the dark and hungry,and that would not be good for kids either .

[Cherie]

That's up to them isn't it ? What's your thoughts about the kids of nurses ,doctors ,electricians , plumbers delivery drivers , the list goes on, if these people took that stance we'de all be sat in the dark and hungry,and that would not be good for kids either .

The kids of key workers were the real guinea pigs, not a word about them though

[Zizu]

That's up to them isn't it ? What's your thoughts about the kids of nurses ,doctors ,electricians , plumbers delivery drivers , the list goes on, if these people took that stance we'de all be sat in the dark and hungry,and that would not be good for kids either .



Schools are already nursemaiding the children of all those occupations and have been for months..

They can all follow social distancing regulations and have access to PPE .. school staff have neither ... the corridors are not even 2 metres wide ..

Don’t see your point tbh


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[Zizu]

The kids of key workers were the real guinea pigs, not a word about them though



There’s a hell of a difference between having 15 key worker / vulnerable children in the school setting and adding 4 additional year groups of children .

Some primary schools could potentially go from having 14 or 15 pupils in to having 150 pupils


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[Zizu]

Apparently just one week after a third of French schoolchildren went back to school ( easing of the coronavirus lockdown ) there have been a flurry of about 70 Covid-19 cases linked to schools.


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[Kazanne]

The kids of key workers were the real guinea pigs, not a word about them though

Exactly Cherie, if these people could not work due to home schooling their children,we'de be up **** creek without a paddle.

[Zizu]

Apparently just one week after a third of French schoolchildren went back to school ( easing of the coronavirus lockdown ) there have been a flurry of about 70 Covid-19 cases linked to schools.


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More info

Just a week after one-third of French schoolchildren went back to school in an easing of the coronavirus lockdown, there has been a flurry of about 70 Covid-19 cases linked to schools.

Some schools were opened last week and a further 150,000 secondary school students went back to the classroom on Monday as further restrictions were loosened by the government. The move initially spelled relief: the end of homeschooling for many hundreds of thousands of exhausted French parents, many of whom were also working from home.

But French education minister Jean-Michel Blanquer sounded the alarm on Monday, telling French radio RTL that the return has put some children in new danger of contamination. He said the affected schools are being closed immediately.



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[Zizu]

Interestingly France chose certain areas to reopen their schools !!


This week France is reopening junior high schools in “green” regions less affected by the virus, which do not include Paris.


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[Cherie]

Exactly Cherie, if these people could not work due to home schooling their children,we'de be up **** creek without a paddle.

I have friends who work in the local special needs school, 4 kids in, 2 per class, every day they have 3 different support staff looking after them as they are on two weekly rotas so over a two week period the kids come into contact with 30 different people and the staff are not even put in with the same two children when they go back in after two weeks, plus one of my friends works in Tesco part time, but the management say that is not an issue :skull: So far no Covid :fc: oh and no teachers it's just the support staff in, so that is how 'hero's' kids are treated, now it's all about safety?

Teachers possibly furloughed as they are more expensive and it is an Academy?

[Zizu]

So is this a political thing now ??
Where Labour councils will prevent their schools from following the Tory’s plea to reopen 1st June ??

At least 300 schools in England will ignore the government’s plans to open to more pupils on June 1 as several councils said it was not safe for them to do so.

Liverpool, Hartlepool, Rochdale and Stockport councils have told parents that the primary schools they control will not be reopening to children from reception, year 1 and year 6 at the start of next month, as proposed by the government, with more local authorities yet to commit.

The growing list of dissenting councils — most led by the opposition Labour party — emerged as a stand-off persisted between ministers and teaching unions demanding more information before accepting that it is safe to begin a phased reopening of schools for up to 2m children. The children of key workers have been able to attend schools through the coronavirus crisis.


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[Zizu]

The Department for Education’s chief scientific adviser admitted he has not assessed whether guidance on reopening schools is effective, adding the current advice is “draft” and “will be developed”.

Appearing in front of the Parliamentary science and technology committee today, Osama Rahman also admitted the DfE had done no modelling on the impact on transmission rates of starting to reopen schools after the May half term break.

During a hearing that left some MPs visibly bemused, Rahman also suggested the government guidance issued yesterday on safety is a “draft”, and will be reissued after further consultation with Public Health England.

He also said the decision to reopen schools was made by cabinet, not the DfE.

Carol Monaghan, the SNP’s education spokesperson, said that as a former teacher, she “did not think the profession will be satisfied or put at ease with what they are hearing”.

It comes just hours after education secretary Gavin Williamson accused unions who have raised concerns about the reopening plans as “scaremongering”.

Asked about the transmission rate among children during the hearing, Rahman said the evidence is mixed, and there’s a “low degree of confidence in evidence they might transmit it less”.

Monaghan responded: “We’re putting together hundreds of potential vectors that can then go and transmit. Is that correct?”

Rahman said: “Possibly, depending on school sizes.”

[Zizu]

Sooooo ..

If an authority ( say Liverpool for example ) has stated their schools won’t be reopening on the 1st June as per government guidelines BUT then a school decides to open a week or so later anyways ..

I wonder how that school will be regarded by the council / council leader ??


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[Beso]

The figures of new cases by the 1st wont allow this.

[Zizu]

The figures of new cases by the 1st wont allow this.



I’m not prepared to go into too much detail for obvious reasons but reading between the lines of our daily bulletins it kinda looks as though our school is looking to return with year 10’s but they stress NOT on the 1st June - to use their words “likely increase in pupil numbers over the next half term”

Did I mention we’ve been open all throughout the past few months for key worker / vulnerable children ( including Easter holidays and Bank holidays) .


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[Beso]

I’m not prepared to go into too much detail for obvious reasons but reading between the lines of our daily bulletins it kinda looks as though our school is looking to return with year 10’s but they stress NOT on the 1st June - to use their words “likely increase in pupil numbers over the next half term”

Did I mention we’ve been open all throughout the past few months for key worker / vulnerable children ( including Easter holidays and Bank holidays) .


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Yes..my mate kevs son has been going to school every day since they closed...they hardly do anything though.

[Beso]

Its false hope...

No way will families send their kids to school unless its 100 percent safe.

[Zizu]

Yes..my mate kevs son has been going to school every day since they closed...they hardly do anything though.



True enough .. but the ‘risk’ is still there for staff , pupils and all the connected families .

The ‘risk factor’ to all concerned will be massively increased when daily pupil numbers rise from 16/17 to anywhere around 100 ..

That’s the concern .


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[Zizu]

Its false hope...

No way will families send their kids to school unless its 100 percent safe.



I’m not to sure about that tbh especially given how ‘muddy’ the waters of information are


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[Beso]

True enough .. but the ‘risk’ is still there for staff , pupils and all the connected families .

The ‘risk factor’ to all concerned will be massively increased when daily pupil numbers rise from 16/17 to anywhere around 100 ..

That’s the concern .


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Well this is it ain't it.

Take kevs situation..my work mate.

Me and him are in houses daily, his wife is working because she works in an office that supplies goods vehicles.. their son has adhd, but is doing so well by not once kicking up a fuss about going to school..(obviously the other things are still kicking off though at times)

So parents need to know this, and I reckon they do..so they ain't going to risk sending their kids back to mingle with other kids that have had a much much reduced lockdown as their family has endured.

Maybe the schools should be opened when the essential workers can have time off due to safer numbers of cases etc..let them bring thier kids home from school for some good family time as well..

[Zizu]

Well this is it ain't it.



Take kevs situation..my work mate.



Me and him are in houses daily, his wife is working because she works in an office that supplies goods vehicles.. their son has adhd, but is doing so well by not once kicking up a fuss about going to school..(obviously the other things are still kicking off though at times)



So parents need to know this, and I reckon they do..so they ain't going to risk sending their kids back to mingle with other kids that have had a much much reduced lockdown as their family has endured.



Maybe the schools should be opened when the essential workers can have time off due to safer numbers of cases etc..let them bring thier kids home from school for some good family time as well..



We’ve just been for a ‘supposedly’ peaceful evening dog walk .. . all very pleasant apart from seeing soooo many teenagers out and about with their mates .. many sat closer together on the grass simply chatting (mainly teenage girls) and about 15 lads jumping in the river with loads cheering them on ..


Now on the face of it they’re doing no harm apart from mixing closely together and then going back to their families... and then in a week or so potentially returning to their high schools .

All very worrying tbh


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[Zizu]

I’ve also just caught Sky news and heard Dr Devi Sridhar admitting that we simply don’t know for certain how good or bad kids are at transmitting the virus to adults !

Also there is a ‘delayed immune reaction’ that some children are getting to the virus which is news to me ..

She also touched on that inflammatory syndrome .. over 200 children have it in the Uk and Europe .. also well over 200 cases of it in the States ( 130 in New York alone ) .


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[Beso]

I’ve also just caught Sky news and heard Dr Devi Sridhar admitting that we simply don’t know for certain how good or bad kids are at transmitting the virus to adults !

Also there is a ‘delayed immune reaction’ that some children are getting to the virus which is news to me ..

She also touched on that inflammatory syndrome .. over 200 children have it in the Uk and Europe .. also well over 200 cases of it in the States ( 130 in New York alone ) .


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Boris said the track and trace will be up and running by the 1st..same day all the wee kiddies go back to school....I bet they swab each kid and use that as the track and tracing mechanism.

[Zizu]

Boris said the track and trace will be up and running by the 1st..same day all the wee kiddies go back to school....I bet they swab each kid and use that as the track and tracing mechanism.



This track and trace seems all very rushed and looks to have leapfrogged the app in importance .. the thing is is some complete stranger rings you up tomorrow and tells you you’ve been in close contact with a confirmed case are you gonna believe them ... then is everyone who gets the call going to self isolate with their whole family ??


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[Zizu]

There was a woman interviewed on BBCNews today who was completely underwhelmed by the ‘app’ .

She got a text saying she had been in close vicinity of a positive case and then a link to follow ... the link took her to this


https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus


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[Zizu]

At our local primary none of the staff have allowed their children to go to school, even though they have places as key workers. They aren't going to learn anything, it's just a baby sitting service, and it puts everyone at risk.

Our neighbour had to have a blood test today and the nurse at the surgery said she thinks it is madness sending children back so soon and that people who she knows on the frontline are currently preparing for a second wave. She is a parent who is having to juggle her shifts as she won’t send her children into school, despite being a key worker. It worries me when someone ‘in the know’ professionally is still so cautious.


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[Cherie]

At our local primary none of the staff have allowed their children to go to school, even though they have places as key workers. They aren't going to learn anything, it's just a baby sitting service, and it puts everyone at risk.

Our neighbour had to have a blood test today and the nurse at the surgery said she thinks it is madness sending children back so soon and that people who she knows on the frontline are currently preparing for a second wave. She is a parent who is having to juggle her shifts as she won’t send her children into school, despite being a key worker. It worries me when someone ‘in the know’ professionally is still so cautious.


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That's not really true now is it, as homework is being set online to those that are at home? so we have to assume keyworkers children are getting the same work?

You work in a school what is happening in yours?

[Cherie]

This track and trace seems all very rushed and looks to have leapfrogged the app in importance .. the thing is is some complete stranger rings you up tomorrow and tells you you’ve been in close contact with a confirmed case are you gonna believe them ... then is everyone who gets the call going to self isolate with their whole family ??


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They are part of the same thing, the track and trace will follow up by those identified on the app

[Cherie]

There was a woman interviewed on BBCNews today who was completely underwhelmed by the ‘app’ .

She got a text saying she had been in close vicinity of a positive case and then a link to follow ... the link took her to this


https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus


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That is what track and trace is ...let people know they have been in contact and to self isolate if they get symptoms, what do you want it to do, arrest people on the spot? :laugh: She will probably get a follow up call from our Cal!

[Zizu]

That is what track and trace is ...let people know they have been in contact and to self isolate if they get symptoms, what do you want it to do, arrest people on the spot? :laugh: She will probably get a follow up call from our Cal!



Matt Hancock just said in the briefing that the ‘human contact tracing’ is where people will get a reassuring (human) CALL advising them to self isolate ..

That’s nothing like what apparently actually happens as they just get a text with a link to the uk government Covid webpage .

I’m quickly losing confidence in Nick and his statements ..


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[Zizu]

They are part of the same thing, the track and trace will follow up by those identified on the app



.... and they will presumably get a text linking the government Covid webpage..

Great ..


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[Cherie]

Matt Hancock just said in the briefing that the ‘human contact tracing’ is where people will get a reassuring (human) CALL advising them to self isolate ..

That’s nothing like what apparently actually happens as they just get a text with a link to the uk government Covid webpage .

I’m quickly losing confidence in Nick and his statements ..


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Because they are trialling the app..? ..not the human element ...?

[Cherie]

Scottish schools go back when they normally would after the summer break on 11th August, teachers can go back in June to prepare

[Zizu]

Because they are trialling the app..? ..not the human element ...?



Is that you Matt ...

Whatever the reason ... what he said was happening is NOT happening so he shouldn’t be saying it !!


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[Zizu]

Apparently a primary school in Essex has closed today after 2 students tested possitive for covid-19.


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[Cherie]

Apparently a primary school in Essex has closed today after 2 students tested possitive for covid-19.


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You say that as if schools are immune, just like any other workplace they are not

primary school has closed after two children tested positive for coronavirus.
Hamford Primary Academy in Walton-on-the-Naze, Essex, informed parents in an email on Monday.
The two pupils, who were from the same key worker family, had not shown any symptoms and had been at the school last week.
A spokeswoman for the school said "the safety of our children, families, and community" was behind the decision.
All children who attended last week were advised to book a coronavirus test, as were their parents, she said.
Staff have been tested, but the school did not say whether any results had come back.
The school's academy trust, Public Health England and the NHS were consulted before Tuesday's closure, she said.
After a deep clean of the building, the academy was now focused on "detailed preparations for a safe return for children", the spokeswoman added.

[Zizu]

You say that as if schools are immune, just like any other workplace they are not



primary school has closed after two children tested positive for coronavirus.

Hamford Primary Academy in Walton-on-the-Naze, Essex, informed parents in an email on Monday.

The two pupils, who were from the same key worker family, had not shown any symptoms and had been at the school last week.

A spokeswoman for the school said "the safety of our children, families, and community" was behind the decision.

All children who attended last week were advised to book a coronavirus test, as were their parents, she said.

Staff have been tested, but the school did not say whether any results had come back.

The school's academy trust, Public Health England and the NHS were consulted before Tuesday's closure, she said.

After a deep clean of the building, the academy was now focused on "detailed preparations for a safe return for children", the spokeswoman added.





How on earth did you get .. “ you say that as if all schools are immune” from what I posted ??


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[Cherie]

https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-1-june-too-soon-open-schools-say-top-scientists

An group of leading scientists is warning that a 1 June reopening of schools would be too early for pupils to return to classrooms safely.
The 'Independent Sage' committee chaired by the former chief scientific adviser Sir David King, has carried out new modelling showing that the risk to children would be halved if ministers delayed their planned school opening date by two weeks.
The committee says the later reopening date would allow for more time for an effective "test, trace and isolate" programme to be established.

I believe the government will row back on this now as 1st June was a conditional date set, and this gives them a reason to extend

[Zizu]

https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-1-june-too-soon-open-schools-say-top-scientists



An group of leading scientists is warning that a 1 June reopening of schools would be too early for pupils to return to classrooms safely.

The 'Independent Sage' committee chaired by the former chief scientific adviser Sir David King, has carried out new modelling showing that the risk to children would be halved if ministers delayed their planned school opening date by two weeks.

The committee says the later reopening date would allow for more time for an effective "test, trace and isolate" programme to be established.



I believe the government will row back on this now as 1st June was a conditional date set, and this gives them a reason to extend



I truly hope you’re right !!

Two weeks is a long time in this day and age ..

Pity it’s from the "Independent Sage " group though ..

Sage is releasing a report soon.

This is going to make things even more confusing imo.

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[Zizu]

Christian Drosten, a virologist and Germany’s leading coronavirus expert warns against reopening schools !!

Despite the phased reopenings, scientists in Germany have said children with the coronavirus may be as infectious as adults, and urged caution.
Researchers who analysed data on infected people found that the viral loads in children differed little from those in adults. Opening schools on the assumption that children are less likely to spread the virus was therefore ill-advised, said Christian Drosten, a virologist and Germany’s leading coronavirus expert, who led the team.
Drosten’s study, which was released this week, examined the viral loads in the throats of 3,721 people, including more than 100 children, who tested positive for coronavirus in Berlin between January and April.
He said he had been able to carry out his analysis once the number of tests carried out by Labor Berlin, the largest laboratory of its kind in Europe, had reached the critical mass of 60,000 earlier this week. That gave him and his team enough data to be able to carry out an analysis of children who have had the virus.


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[Zizu]

Scores of councils in England say they cannot guarantee primaries will reopen on 1 June, throwing government plans to get pupils back to school into chaos.

Only 20 of 99 councils to respond to a BBC Breakfast survey said they were advising schools to open more widely on Boris Johnson's target date.

Of the 99 who responded, two thirds (68), could not guarantee schools would reopen to Reception, Year 1 and Year 6.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/education-52758363

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You say that as if schools are immune, just like any other workplace they are not

primary school has closed after two children tested positive for coronavirus.
Hamford Primary Academy in Walton-on-the-Naze, Essex, informed parents in an email on Monday.
The two pupils, who were from the same key worker family, had not shown any symptoms and had been at the school last week.
A spokeswoman for the school said "the safety of our children, families, and community" was behind the decision.
All children who attended last week were advised to book a coronavirus test, as were their parents, she said.
Staff have been tested, but the school did not say whether any results had come back.
The school's academy trust, Public Health England and the NHS were consulted before Tuesday's closure, she said.
After a deep clean of the building, the academy was now focused on "detailed preparations for a safe return for children", the spokeswoman added.




So they tested the teachers but the kids have to get the tests themselves.....that doesn't seem very fair.