14 year old boy arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after 2 boys stabbed

[Denver]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-air-ambulance-lands-18153587.amp

This is pretty scary as it's a 20 min drive from me and I saw the video of it on Facebook.

But a 16 year old boy is in a critical condition (someone on Facebook say they knew the boy and he has a collapsed lung) and a 19 year old but his condition is stable.

There were 2 other boys involved one which was stamping on the victim but they have yet to be arrested

Why are parents allowing their children out with knives let alone allowing them out during a lockdown.

[rusticgal]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-air-ambulance-lands-18153587.amp

This is pretty scary as it's a 20 min drive from me and I saw the video of it on Facebook.

But a 16 year old boy is in a critical condition (someone on Facebook say they knew the boy and he has a collapsed lung) and a 19 year old but his condition is stable.

There were 2 other boys involved one which was stamping on the victim but they have yet to be arrested

Why are parents allowing their children out with knives let alone allowing them out during a lockdown.


Sadly children that are capable of doing such a thing come from families that can’t control their children...

[LukeB]

We don't know the parents to judge their parenting and bad parenting isn't always the the case and shouldn't be an excuse for this boys behaviour. Not all parents know what their kid actually gets up to. Kids fall in the wrong crowd for many reasons.

[Denver]

We don't know the parents to judge their parenting and bad parenting isn't always the the case and shouldn't be an excuse for this boys behaviour. Not all parents know what their kid actually gets up to. Kids fall in the wrong crowd for many reasons.

But they should not be allowing their kids out right now and that's a big problem

[LukeB]

But they should not be allowing their kids out right now and that's a big problem

i mean we are allowed out for 1 walk a day.

[Denver]

There was another stabbing in Smethwick which isnt far from here.

The video is circulating online and the man had sadly died pretty much before he hit the ground

[Oliver_W]

Jeez, poor kids, hope they both recover soon...

[Morgan.]

There was another stabbing in Smethwick which isnt far from here.

The video is circulating online and the man had sadly died pretty much before he hit the ground

I think I know someone who lives in Smethwick

[Oliver_W]

But they should not be allowing their kids out right now and that's a big problem

What makes you think they're able to stop him?

For someone that young to be doing things like that, he either has parent(s) who are hopelessly wet and can't control him, or they're neglectful or otherwise abusive scags who couldn't give a ****.

[Kizzy]

A nice game of blame the parents...how novel.

Everyone in life has choices regardless of their parentage

[Oliver_W]

A nice game of blame the parents...how novel.

Everyone in life has choices regardless of their parentage

Would you say someone who committed statutory rape shouldn't be punished, because the 14 year old child "wanted it" ?

Everyone is the product of their upbringing to a certain extent, and kids are obviously going to react to their home environment.

[rusticgal]

But they should not be allowing their kids out right now and that's a big problem


Exactly....shame you had to point that out :)

[Kizzy]

Would you say someone who committed statutory rape shouldn't be punished, because the 14 year old child "wanted it" ?

Everyone is the product of their upbringing to a certain extent, and kids are obviously going to react to their home environment.

Dear me I'm not playing some sick hypothetical judge judy with you.. I've heard of the cycle of abuse but it's not a given. Not every disadvantaged child goes on to be an abuser. :/

[Beso]

Died on his feet...very strange.

[Denver]

Died on his feet...very strange.

What happens when your stabbed twice straight through the heart, death is pretty much instant

[Oliver_W]

Dear me I'm not playing some sick hypothetical judge judy with you.. I've heard of the cycle of abuse but it's not a given. Not every disadvantaged child goes on to be an abuser. :/

I didn't say every every disadvantaged child goes on to be an abuser. I said most kids who commit crimes like that probably come from homes.

[Beso]

What happens when your stabbed twice straight through the heart, death is pretty much instant


That is one wierd video.surprised it's not been memed yet in this world.

At least it was quick for him, but you live by the sword..etc etc

[Kizzy]

There's a vid of somebody dying? Wow, couldn't imagine ever even wanting to watch that...crazy :/

[caprimint]

A nice game of blame the parents...how novel.

Everyone in life has choices regardless of their parentage
Exactly this

Such a copout to blame the parents

[hijaxers]

OMG a baby and a 3 year old stabbed to death in East London ~ what is happening !!
So shocking.

[Nicky91]

OMG a baby and a 3 year old stabbed to death in East London ~ what is happening !!
So shocking.

out of boredom due to the coronacrisis :joker:

[user104658]

I don't know why everyone is clutching their pearls at the idea of there being a problem with parenting - it's 100% correct that most teens who get caught up in cycles of crime and violence come from "broken" backgrounds, often heavy substance abuse, often not even living with a parent at all.

Sure there are a VERY SMALL number who come from normal family homes but have gone massively off the rails for other reasons (psychological disorders, getting drawn in by someone else influential, being badly bullied themselves and flipping to the other side to stop being the target) but there is simply no denying that severely delinquent behaviour in under 18's is linked to problems at home.

[Kizzy]

out of boredom due to the coronacrisis :joker:

Not really something to laugh about imo.

[Kizzy]

I don't know why everyone is clutching their pearls at the idea of there being a problem with parenting - it's 100% correct that most teens who get caught up in cycles of crime and violence come from "broken" backgrounds, often heavy substance abuse, often not even living with a parent at all.

Sure there are a VERY SMALL number who come from normal family homes but have gone massively off the rails for other reasons (psychological disorders, getting drawn in by someone else influential, being badly bullied themselves and flipping to the other side to stop being the target) but there is simply no denying that severely delinquent behaviour in under 18's is linked to problems at home.

I take it you're mocking me here... added a sociology degree to your list of accolades? Well done.

[Nicky91]

Not really something to laugh about imo.

ok true

but this is again another incident what could've sooo easily avoided if people just stay home, and rather than doing disgusting **** like this, more being kind for each other as it should now more than ever

[Kizzy]

ok true

but this is again another incident what could've sooo easily avoided if people just stay home, and rather than doing disgusting **** like this, more being kind for each other as it should now more than ever

How.. how do you know those children weren't killed in their beds at home?

[Oliver_W]

I don't know why everyone is clutching their pearls at the idea of there being a problem with parenting - it's 100% correct that most teens who get caught up in cycles of crime and violence come from "broken" backgrounds, often heavy substance abuse, often not even living with a parent at all.

Sure there are a VERY SMALL number who come from normal family homes but have gone massively off the rails for other reasons (psychological disorders, getting drawn in by someone else influential, being badly bullied themselves and flipping to the other side to stop being the target) but there is simply no denying that severely delinquent behaviour in under 18's is linked to problems at home.
Exactly! I will concede that sometimes people use it as a stick to beat single mothers with - "your kind always become criminals!!!" - which isn't acceptable, but saying most people who do X come from Y circumstances isn't the same as saying most people from Y circumstances do X

I take it you're mocking me here... added a sociology degree to your list of accolades? Well done.
You've been rather confrontational lately, is isolation bringing you down? :hug:

[Kizzy]

The stereotyping is real... This is the debates section, I'm having a say, there are the usual put downs but I press on. :D

[Denver]

When you are from the Birmingham area you will know what bad parenting is like.

[Nicky91]

How.. how do you know those children weren't killed in their beds at home?

similar stabbing incidents happen far too often here in my country too


and much more criminality among youth here recently (which i and my parents blame on bad parenting either)

[Livia]

A baby girl of 12 months and a three year old little boy stabbed to death in Ilford. The girl was dead already and the boy died of his injuries in hospital.

Now that stop and search has been labelled as racist, I suppose it's not PC to mention that knife crime(and gun crime) is predominantly a black crime and ask when someone's going to ask the black community to help? Rather than let babies be slaughtered for the sake of race relations.

[user104658]

The stereotyping is real... This is the debates section, I'm having a say, there are the usual put downs but I press on. :D

It's not stereotyping, children from traumatic backgrounds are more likely to end up with addiction problems or involved in gangs/violence (or both). It's an important statistic and not one to poo-poo away, because acknowledging it is what allows for earlier intervention and support for vulnerable youngsters. Thankfully, CAMHS, social services, addiction services and various charitable organisations DO recognise this and go with robust science and empirical evidence, and not anecdotal nothings like "Well plenty of people have a tough time and don't become criminals".

[user104658]

Now that stop and search has been labelled as racist, I suppose it's not PC to mention that knife crime(and gun crime) is predominantly a black crime and ask when someone's going to ask the black community to help? Rather than let babies be slaughtered for the sake of race relations.

Violent crime isn't "black crime", it's "social deprivation crime" but unfortunately it is the case that the most deprived communities (especially in the south of England) are the BAME communities, and therefore the crimes are more likely to be committed by people from those communities.

You only need to look to your good cousins up North to see that; plenty of addictions and knife crime in Glasgow, too, as there are plenty of deprived areas... but they're overall much "whiter".

[Niamh.]

Violent crime isn't "black crime", it's "social deprivation crime" but unfortunately it is the case that the most deprived communities (especially in the south of England) are the BAME communities, and therefore the crimes are more likely to be committed by people from those communities.

You only need to look to your good cousins up North to see that; plenty of addictions and knife crime in Glasgow, too, as there are plenty of deprived areas... but they're overall much "whiter".

Exactly, the difference is when it happens in places like Glasgow it's never referred to as "white on white violence" or "White crime" it's referred to as what it actually is, like you said "social deprivation crime" that is racist

[Denver]

The 20 year old who was killed in Smethwick was I think killed by a female, the person who filmed it kept saying she stabbed him

[Beso]

Violent crime isn't "black crime", it's "social deprivation crime" but unfortunately it is the case that the most deprived communities (especially in the south of England) are the BAME communities, and therefore the crimes are more likely to be committed by people from those communities.

You only need to look to your good cousins up North to see that; plenty of addictions and knife crime in Glasgow, too, as there are plenty of deprived areas... but they're overall much "whiter".




Hasn't scotland managed to dramatically reduce knife crime?


It is a point that needs raised actually...probably one that gets me banned or accused of being racist.


But if scotland and it's white community that carried knives can together dramatically reduce those knife crimes..


Why can't England and it's black/asian community not only reduce thiers, but also stop it dramatically rising. It can only be that black, white and asian are more different than the colour of skin

[Kizzy]

It's not stereotyping, children from traumatic backgrounds are more likely to end up with addiction problems or involved in gangs/violence (or both). It's an important statistic and not one to poo-poo away, because acknowledging it is what allows for earlier intervention and support for vulnerable youngsters. Thankfully, CAMHS, social services, addiction services and various charitable organisations DO recognise this and go with robust science and empirical evidence, and not anecdotal nothings like "Well plenty of people have a tough time and don't become criminals".

No one has poo pooed it away... I love that people round here get all judgey mc judgeface before they know any facts, then commence lectures if anyone has an opinion.

Do you have any evidence that EVERY child that grows up in poverty or with less than perfect parents is under social services, CAMHS or addicted?...Of course you don't, because that is a ridiculous statement.
Sure there may be a higher proportion of referrals I havent disagreed with that, however my original point is that it is not a given, a. that they will be always be involved b. That that is the case here that the parents are negligent.

[Kizzy]

A baby girl of 12 months and a three year old little boy stabbed to death in Ilford. The girl was dead already and the boy died of his injuries in hospital.

Now that stop and search has been labelled as racist, I suppose it's not PC to mention that knife crime(and gun crime) is predominantly a black crime and ask when someone's going to ask the black community to help? Rather than let babies be slaughtered for the sake of race relations.

Is ethnicity involved?... My first instinct was domestic violence, that is not exclusively a 'black crime', if that is a thing...I dont think it is btw.

[Denver]

I also think sentences for knife crimes are to low, people get away with it by being charged for Manslaughter, ABH,Intent to wound what so ever.

If your carrying a knife you intend to use it so it's either murder or attempted murder there should be no other sentence unless its self defence but nobody fighting in streets are self defence

[Cherie]

Unfortunately the first thought for me was domestic violence as well regarding the story of the two babies that have been stabbed, such a tragedy

[Oliver_W]

Bunch of strawmanning.

At no point did anyone say "all" anything ...

[Kizzy]

Don't misquote me..

Ok?

[Oliver_W]

Please don't misquote me.

Sorry.

At no point did anyone say "all"

[hijaxers]

Is ethnicity involved?... My first instinct was domestic violence, that is not exclusively a 'black crime', if that is a thing...I dont think it is btw.

I think they are a Sri Lankan family

[Kizzy]

And at no point did I say no children of poor parents got into trouble.

[Denver]

There was another stabbing in Smethwick which isnt far from here.

The video is circulating online and the man had sadly died pretty much before he hit the ground

West Midlands police made a major mistake with the victims identity.

They first said he was 20 but now said he was 31 I dint get how they can get an age wrong by 11 years

[Beso]

It is a point that needs raised actually...probably one that gets me banned or accused of being racist.


But if scotland and it's white community that carried knives can together dramatically reduce those knife crimes..


Why can't England and it's black/asian community not only reduce thiers, but also stop it dramatically rising. It can only be that black, white and asian are more different than the colour of skin

[user104658]

They first said he was 20 but now said he was 31 I dint get how they can get an age wrong by 11 years

Maybe it's Maybelline?

[user104658]

But if scotland and it's white community that carried knives can together dramatically reduce those knife crimes..


Why can't England and it's black/asian community not only reduce thiers, but also stop it dramatically rising. It can only be that black, white and asian are more different than the colour of skin

Have they tried to tackle it in the same way? If not I'm not sure how you can jump to that conclusion.

[Beso]

Have they tried to tackle it in the same way? If not I'm not sure how you can jump to that conclusion.

It wouldn't work though, there's no community spirit in london inner cities, nor elsewhere it seems...unless of course if it's a youth with a knife protecting his postcode. .


It's glaringly obvious that poor scottish white kids have a different outlook than poor black, white and Asian english kids.

I think we would find that english black, white and Asian kids who are in poverty are more likely to turn to violent crime than scottish white asian and black kids suffering the same circumstances if we started delving into the statistics of it all.