Do you think the government has done a good job with Covid-19 (3)

[Withano]

Not much change in people’s opinions between the first and second vote, but big updates since, so asking once more

Results from 12/04

Excellent: 3.57%
Good 14.29%
Ok 17.86%
Bad 42.86%
Terrible 21.43%


Results from 29/04

Excellent: 5.26%
Good: 13.16%
Ok: 15.79%
Bad: 47.37%
Terrible: 18.42%

[Withano]

****ing abysmal imo.

[arista]

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[Jordan.]

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[arista]

https://www.imgur.com/kzUVeqY.gif


Almost like Parliament Today, could be
Jordan.


As Johnson PM
sells his Confusion.

[Tom4784]

Boris has pretty much squandered any good will Rishi Sunak built up.

We're back to the idea of herd immunity but the tories are being careful not to call it that, we're being told to sacrifice the vulnerable for profit and we will inevitably suffer another peak.

The government is failing and choosing to sacrifice people for the profits of billionaires.

[Scarlett.]

My opinion has gone from
Okay - First thread
Bad - Second thread
Terrible - Third thread

Sunday's whole announcement was... just a confusing jumbled mess

[arista]

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[arista]

Boris has pretty much squandered any good will Rishi Sunak built up.

We're back to the idea of herd immunity but the tories are being careful not to call it that, we're being told to sacrifice the vulnerable for profit and we will inevitably suffer another peak.

The government is failing and choosing to sacrifice people for the profits of billionaires.


He may have to do another video
Parliament is Easy for him today
no one there ,just the few that can get in.

[arista]

Germany has Gone Up the amount infected
after their changes,

Will they Reverse?

[arista]

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[armand.kay]

hell no

[arista]

Admin in Shock the Other Thread, started by Shaun
is Locked
I do hope someone can clean it.

Glad a tweet from Slim was shown to be Dodgy
He needs to get better Sources

[arista]

hell no


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[Crimson Dynamo]

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Just a reflection of twitter more than anything

[arista]

Just a reflection of twitter more than anything


Sure
but this is a massive amount of Anger
at this New PM Plan,
for England only.

[arista]

Piers is Back on GMBHD itv. Live
Laying into Johnson PM


Media got briefed by Downing St
you can now visit your relatives
keeping your distance.

[arista]

No way can Dentists return
unless they have a seal on a mask
over there face

[armand.kay]

I need the dentists badly :bawling:

[hijaxers]

My opinion has gone from
Okay - First thread
Bad - Second thread
Terrible - Third thread

Sunday's whole announcement was... just a confusing jumbled mess

Mine has gone from bad to terrible. and you are right it was a jumbled mess !

[arista]

I need the dentists badly :bawling:


Sorry to hear that.

[arista]

Dominic Raab MP is Not Going on GMBHD itv
But willl go on SkyNewsHD breakfast
and BBC1AM

Once again
Lee Cain Conservative Press Chief (10 Downing St.)
is blocking GMBHD itv.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Cain
He used to be the Chicken that Followed D. Cameron
for the Daily Mirror Paper.

[Cherie]

50 pages of detail coming today for you all to digest :laugh:

[Kazanne]

Dominic Raab MP is Not Going on GMBHD itv
But willl go on SkyNewsHD breakfast
and BBC1AM

Once again
Lee Cain Conservative Press Chief (10 Downing St.)
is blocking GMBHD itv.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Cain
He used to be the Chicken that Followed D. Cameron
for the Daily Mirror Paper.

I dont blame them,why would anyone want to talk to a hysterical Piers Morgan,I have had to turn it over again this morning ,he accepts no positive answers ,he just wants to have a go,and no doubt he is loved now in some quarters,I was interested in what proffessorWinston had to say but as usual Morgan kept interrupting,maybe the government want to talk to the grown ups,GMB is now the Morgan show,plus I wont be voting in the poll as it's clear its just another Boris bashing thread,we only need one.

[Withano]

Dominic Raab MP is Not Going on GMBHD itv
But willl go on SkyNewsHD breakfast
and BBC1AM

Once again
Lee Cain Conservative Press Chief (10 Downing St.)
is blocking GMBHD itv.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Cain
He used to be the Chicken that Followed D. Cameron
for the Daily Mirror Paper.

Honestly though, I agree with Kazanne. The guy doesn’t interview or converse. He just shouts and berates. There’s no point anybody going on there.

[Liam-]

Piers’ interview technique is very boisterous and over the top and he can be very obnoxious and preachy, however, the majority of people who are now against him because he’s challenging the government, didn’t mind his technique so much when he was doing it to vegans or trans people, or feminists, funny that really isn’t it, almost like something has changed..

[bots]

Piers’ interview technique is very boisterous and over the top and he can be very obnoxious and preachy, however, the majority of people who are now against him because he’s challenging the government, didn’t mind his technique so much when he was doing it to vegans or trans people, or feminists, funny that really isn’t it, almost like something has changed..

and many, like me have always thought he was an ass hole, right back to the days when he faked newspaper stories

[DouglasS]

Piers’ interview technique is very boisterous and over the top and he can be very obnoxious and preachy, however, the majority of people who are now against him because he’s challenging the government, didn’t mind his technique so much when he was doing it to vegans or trans people, or feminists, funny that really isn’t it, almost like something has changed..

It’s funny because almost the same can be said but for those who previously were against him now suddenly don’t mind him...

I personally have never been a fan, and I think most others haven’t either

[Kazanne]

Piers’ interview technique is very boisterous and over the top and he can be very obnoxious and preachy, however, the majority of people who are now against him because he’s challenging the government, didn’t mind his technique so much when he was doing it to vegans or trans people, or feminists, funny that really isn’t it, almost like something has changed..

I don't mind him, , I just don't like his style of interviewing on this in particular as he is far too scare mongery and hysterical ,he will not let people answer , so for me its a turn off, I want to hear what people say and just because I don't like to hear him constantly moaning and whinging, doesn't mean I now dislike him, but on this Covid C I find him unwatchable.and by the same token those that once hated him are now praising him because he is championing their corner , funny that.

[arista]

Honestly though, I agree with Kazanne. The guy doesn’t interview or converse. He just shouts and berates. There’s no point anybody going on there.

He gets Angry
thats OK
No Conservatives going on there,
He played Raab MP on his Mobile Phone into
his Microphone
Taken from SkyNewsHD or BBC1AM

He was Correct
saying Lee Cain
is out of his depth.............

[Withano]

He gets Angry
thats OK
No Conservatives going on there,


He was Correct
saying Lee Cain
is out of his depth.............

He has every right to be angry, but there’s no point being so angry in an interview to the extent that the interviewee can’t speak. I can see why he’s been turned down. More people should turn him down.

[Smithy]

https://www.imgur.com/kzUVeqY.gif

:joker::joker::joker:

Tbh

[arista]

"I dont blame them,"


Kaz I do
I blame Conservatives
bloody chicken

[Kazanne]

He gets Angry
thats OK
No Conservatives going on there,
He played Raab MP on his Mobile Phone into
his Microphone
Taken from SkyNewsHD or BBC1AM

He was Correct
saying Lee Cain
is out of his depth.............

He shouldn't be getting angry arista he is supposed to be a professional and he may be frustrated as some are but he does not interview he berates and just goes off on one,for me unwatchable.

[arista]

He has every right to be angry, but there’s no point being so angry in an interview to the extent that the interviewee can’t speak. I can see why he’s been turned down. More people should turn him down.

Raab MP can handle Piers.
he can speak
But must get his Facts correct

[Liam-]

Why chose GMB, when you’ve got Tory propaganda machine BBC offering up softball questions? They go for the option that’ll give them the easiest ride, cowards

[arista]

He shouldn't be getting angry arista he is supposed to be a professional and he may be frustrated as some are but he does not interview he berates and just goes off on one,for me unwatchable.



Yes he can get Angry
as he has found Errors

It is Watchable

[Liam-]

Piers is an asshole at times, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, people don’t like him right now because he’s challenging the government and Boris, whereas a few months ago, he was the right wing poster boy, the same thing is happening to the likes of Andrew Neil, he’s been a Tory mouthpiece for years and the people who have always loved and admired him for it, are now turning on him because he dares question the choices of this government, it’s completely transparent

[arista]

Why chose GMB, when you’ve got Tory propaganda machine BBC offering up softball questions? They go for the option that’ll give them the easiest ride, cowards

I have all three on
at same time
From 6AM
Piers is best.


And CNBCHD Live on a 4th TV screen

[armand.kay]

Piers’ interview technique is very boisterous and over the top and he can be very obnoxious and preachy, however, the majority of people who are now against him because he’s challenging the government, didn’t mind his technique so much when he was doing it to vegans or trans people, or feminists, funny that really isn’t it, almost like something has changed..

it's so funny to me

[The Slim Reaper]

Via Jack blanchard of politico

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[Kazanne]

Yes he can get Angry
as he has found Errors

It is Watchable

not for me arista, I like to hear both sides.:wavey:

[user104658]

On the back of yesterday's... err... whatever that was... I have to change my vote to "bad" for this week. There's no excuse for garbled, unclear messages ESPECIALLY when it's pre-recorded! I might have been more forgiving if it was live but for it to have been recorded, watched back and released as it was... highlights that it's not just a flustered explanation of a plan, it's an unclear plan to begin with. Messy.

Caveat though; I still don't believe we would magically have far fewer deaths or a far smaller infection rate "if only the government was getting it right". It's a viral pandemic. At some point we have to accept that Big Daddy Government is no real match for nature in the long run.

[arista]

not for me arista, I like to hear both sides.:wavey:


You get both sides as Sussana
Buts In


And it also on 10AM

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[Liam-]

Oh, so now the big gay Tory wants to be critical? A little too late sunshine

[arista]

Oh, so now the big gay Tory wants to be critical? A little too late sunshine


Phil wants to be up to date.


He even started with Janet Street Porter
and Matt Wright

[arista]

May the 18th
Jury trials to start up again
Using more Live monitor links

The 12 Jury Members will have to be seperated more
for safety

SkyNewsHD Live

[Smithy]

Oh, so now the big gay Tory wants to be critical? A little too late sunshine

Ffffff :joker::joker:

[Cherie]

May the 18th
Jury trials to start up again
Using more Live monitor links

The 12 Jury Members will have to be seperated more
for safety

SkyNewsHD Live

M21 will get his wish to stay at home :hee:

[Babayaro.]

I would like to see why Caprimint thinks they have done a good job?

[Smithy]

I would like to see why Caprimint thinks they have done a good job?

She said excellent job last time, so clearly yesterday’s message has knocked a few points off

[GoldHeart]

What the hell is Boris playing at :bored: I'm not even surprised by his stupidity, I didn't even bother watching it yesterday evening :facepalm: .

[The Slim Reaper]

Via skynews for James :hee:

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[arista]

Yes Slim
Johnson Bad Plan
Getting more Infected

[Tom4784]

Sacrifice the vulnerable for the benefit of the rich, the tories have had enough with pretending to care about anyone who isn't at least a millonaire.

[user104658]

In all honesty I think they're panicking but I don't think this is just a UK issue right now; most of Europe is going back to work and, in terms of the spread, far too early. It's not just too early for the UK, it's too early for every country that's aiming to get back to work.

The problem of course is... markets. Markets are spooked by lack of confidence, and thus, telling the truth can make matters worse. What is happening right now is that world leaders know we are on the verge of a catastrophic economic crash. This isn't about prioritising the rich over the workers... ... this is about the entire system coming down in a way that is completely unprecedented. I think we are in serious, serious trouble.

But the government can't come out and say "Look guys it's not ideal but if we don't go back to work now, we're not going back to work at all, and millions of people are going to die, not of Covid-19, but because everything will start to break down".

They can't say that because it will panic the public. They can't say that because it will spook the markets and make it even worse. So what you get is "half a message" that doesn't make any sense unless you look hard between the lines.

Especially as most people simply do not and can not understand that a financial crash is just as dangerous as Covid. More dangerous by an order of magnitude if it gets bad enough. I hope we don't find out.

Essentially it's this:

Govts.: "We have to all get back to work now"
Public/Media: "Isn't it too early, isn't that dangerous?"
Govts: "Well... yes s be really careful, it absolutely is dangerous."
Public/Media: "But we still should?"
Govts: "Yes."
Public/Media: "WTF why???"
Govts: "...lol :hee:"
Public/Media: "WHY???"
Govts: "Cant tell u lol!"

[arista]

Sacrifice the vulnerable for the benefit of the rich, the tories have had enough with pretending to care about anyone who isn't at least a millonaire.


That sounds Criminal

[arista]

[In all honesty I think they're panicking but I don't think this is just a UK issue right now; most of Europe is going back to work and, in terms of the spread, far too early. It's not just too early for the UK, it's too early for every country that's aiming to get back to work.]

Yes TS
Germany infection has gone back UP
since they changed things.

[Liam-]

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[Cherie]

In parts of Spain their restaurants and bars will open today....8 weeks after they locked down, not for everywhere but for areas of low infection

in the UK bars and restaurants may open 4 July ..15 weeks after they first locked down....

[Cherie]

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Grim

[Kazanne]

Via skynews for James :hee:

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Oh c'mon Slim this would have happened anyway ,people were already flouting the rules.maybe he should stop treating us like adults and order us to stay put like little kids, ,would that satisfy everyone ? I doubt it,hes in a difficult position here,I don't get why people can't understand what he said, use common sense IF you think something is risky,dont do it:shrug:

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Oh c'mon Slim this would have happened anyway ,people were already flouting the rules.maybe he should stop treating us like adults and order us to stay put like little kids, ,would that satisfy everyone ? I doubt it,hes in a difficult position here,I don't get why people can't understand what he said, use common sense IF you think something is risky,dont do it:shrug:

Kaz, I have no idea what you're on about. You think this is sensible behaviour during a pandemic involving a virus 10x more contagious than flu and that can remain asymptomatic for 14 days?

I didn't post any criticism, I just posted the tweet. At some point, you have to stop trying to defend every single fcuk up the government makes. Every unclear instruction, every time they wash their hands of responsibility.

You voted for this chaos, so talk about what you think they're doing really well. I mean, you watched the same briefing as the rest of us, and yet somehow, you think he was clear in his instructions. Why is everyone else biased, but you're the only one seeing things on an even keel?

[Withano]

Oh c'mon Slim this would have happened anyway ,people were already flouting the rules.maybe he should stop treating us like adults and order us to stay put like little kids, ,would that satisfy everyone ? I doubt it,hes in a difficult position here,I don't get why people can't understand what he said, use common sense IF you think something is risky,dont do it:shrug:

This would have happened anyway? It has happened as a direct result of yesterday’s briefing.

Business owner billionaires have been given the green light and the sharp majority of those commuters were welcomed back to work by Email.

You’ve got to understand we share a country with a **** load of idiots. There would have been hundreds of thousands more deaths without any instructions, and there would have been tens of thousands less deaths with good instructions.

This guy is directly responsible for at a guess, 5k deaths or more in the next three weeks, when we could have instead minimised it to very little deaths instead.

That video is just proof that it’s already begun.

Be ashamed of your leader - most of the rest of the country is.

[arista]

In parts of Spain their restaurants and bars will open today....8 weeks after they locked down, not for everywhere but for areas of low infection

in the UK bars and restaurants may open 4 July ..15 weeks after they first locked down....


Yes but if the Death rate keeps rising
cancel that, go back to Lockdown


Spain has good far outside seating
more than we do.

[AnnieK]

In all honesty I think they're panicking but I don't think this is just a UK issue right now; most of Europe is going back to work and, in terms of the spread, far too early. It's not just too early for the UK, it's too early for every country that's aiming to get back to work.

The problem of course is... markets. Markets are spooked by lack of confidence, and thus, telling the truth can make matters worse. What is happening right now is that world leaders know we are on the verge of a catastrophic economic crash. This isn't about prioritising the rich over the workers... ... this is about the entire system coming down in a way that is completely unprecedented. I think we are in serious, serious trouble.

But the government can't come out and say "Look guys it's not ideal but if we don't go back to work now, we're not going back to work at all, and millions of people are going to die, not of Covid-19, but because everything will start to break down".

They can't say that because it will panic the public. They can't say that because it will spook the markets and make it even worse. So what you get is "half a message" that doesn't make any sense unless you look hard between the lines.

Especially as most people simply do not and can not understand that a financial crash is just as dangerous as Covid. More dangerous by an order of magnitude if it gets bad enough. I hope we don't find out.

Essentially it's this:

Govts.: "We have to all get back to work now"
Public/Media: "Isn't it too early, isn't that dangerous?"
Govts: "Well... yes s be really careful, it absolutely is dangerous."
Public/Media: "But we still should?"
Govts: "Yes."
Public/Media: "WTF why???"
Govts: "...lol :hee:"
Public/Media: "WHY???"
Govts: "Cant tell u lol!"

That makes pretty scary reading TS :worry:

[user104658]

That makes pretty scary reading TS :worry:

It is scary, and I think even people who do understand why it's scary sort of want to ignore it for the time being - an attitude of "well OK but let's get Covid out of the way and THEN we'll worry about the aftermath". I'm worried that it's going to be far, far too late. People in the western world have been living in a relatively pretty bubble for 70+ years and think that our standard of living can't really, dramatically change. People are perhaps imagining a bit of a recession like 2008. Some service cuts that are frustrating, some wage freezing, etc.

That is not what we're looking at right now. If 2008's global recession was a roll down a bumpy hill, this is going to be a cliff-dive with no parachute. It's the ugly elephant in the room that no one wants to look at because of the Covid gremlin in the other corner.

[Cherie]

It is scary, and I think even people who do understand why it's scary sort of want to ignore it for the time being - an attitude of "well OK but let's get Covid out of the way and THEN we'll worry about the aftermath". I'm worried that it's going to be far, far too late. People in the western world have been living in a relatively pretty bubble for 70+ years and think that our standard of living can't really, dramatically change. People are perhaps imagining a bit of a recession like 2008. Some service cuts that are frustrating, some wage freezing, etc.

That is not what we're looking at right now. If 2008's global recession was a roll down a bumpy hill, this is going to be a cliff-dive with no parachute. It's the ugly elephant in the room that no one wants to look at because of the Covid gremlin in the other corner.

There is never going to be a good time to go back out into the world, and the longer it is left the more fearful people will get and the more jobs will be lost, governments really are stuck between a rock and a hard place

[Nicky91]

i cannot comment myself on british government of course :laugh:

but i am pleased on our dutch government yes, we are easing down measures now at a perfect time, when you low numbers now, but more still being very careful doing so

[Kizzy]

In all honesty I think they're panicking but I don't think this is just a UK issue right now; most of Europe is going back to work and, in terms of the spread, far too early. It's not just too early for the UK, it's too early for every country that's aiming to get back to work.

The problem of course is... markets. Markets are spooked by lack of confidence, and thus, telling the truth can make matters worse. What is happening right now is that world leaders know we are on the verge of a catastrophic economic crash. This isn't about prioritising the rich over the workers... ... this is about the entire system coming down in a way that is completely unprecedented. I think we are in serious, serious trouble.

But the government can't come out and say "Look guys it's not ideal but if we don't go back to work now, we're not going back to work at all, and millions of people are going to die, not of Covid-19, but because everything will start to break down".

They can't say that because it will panic the public. They can't say that because it will spook the markets and make it even worse. So what you get is "half a message" that doesn't make any sense unless you look hard between the lines.

Especially as most people simply do not and can not understand that a financial crash is just as dangerous as Covid. More dangerous by an order of magnitude if it gets bad enough. I hope we don't find out.

Essentially it's this:

Govts.: "We have to all get back to work now"
Public/Media: "Isn't it too early, isn't that dangerous?"
Govts: "Well... yes s be really careful, it absolutely is dangerous."
Public/Media: "But we still should?"
Govts: "Yes."
Public/Media: "WTF why???"
Govts: "...lol :hee:"
Public/Media: "WHY???"
Govts: "Cant tell u lol!"

We shouldn't be expected to best guess, we deserve the truth. We can handle the truth as shown with the response to the truth bomb delivered prior to lockdown. What's the point in keeping things from us now?

Explain why certain sectors need to return and assure govt will put pressure on employers to ensure their workers are given adequate protection or protective measures.
It is here the fines need to be issued, if employers are found not to be complying with social distancing or protecting their workers fine them!

From personal experience my company who operate for a major supermarket distribution centre have given us over the period covid has been a threat precisely nothing, no ppe, no gels, no soap nothing. The supermarket over the last month have supplied us with wipes and the company who oversee the operation of the warehouse put in gel dispensers and flexible plastic screens 3 weeks ago.

[bots]

It is scary, and I think even people who do understand why it's scary sort of want to ignore it for the time being - an attitude of "well OK but let's get Covid out of the way and THEN we'll worry about the aftermath". I'm worried that it's going to be far, far too late. People in the western world have been living in a relatively pretty bubble for 70+ years and think that our standard of living can't really, dramatically change. People are perhaps imagining a bit of a recession like 2008. Some service cuts that are frustrating, some wage freezing, etc.

That is not what we're looking at right now. If 2008's global recession was a roll down a bumpy hill, this is going to be a cliff-dive with no parachute. It's the ugly elephant in the room that no one wants to look at because of the Covid gremlin in the other corner.


it is the simple realities of life i'm sorry to say, we need to get back to work (i've never stopped although i work from home)

The worlds economies are ****ed, we all need to generate income or we cannot pay for the NHS or any other public services at all.

A grim reality will also become apparent as people return to work, and that is that jobs won't be there. We are in the first 2 months of an "incident" that has the potential to affect us all for 20 years. While in lockdown, it's been like a suspended animation, it will all now spring back to reality.

I really do hope that I am being overly pessimistic and that by having a relatively short timeout, the economy can bounce back quickly ... we will see, but I do know one thing that is certain, we need to get back to living and working as normally as we can as quickly as we can, otherwise when the next wave hits, there won't be any NHS to protect and there won't be a lockdown, because people will need to work to survive.

[Nicky91]

it is the simple realities of life i'm sorry to say, we need to get back to work (i've never stopped although i work from home)

The worlds economies are ****ed, we all need to generate income or we cannot pay for the NHS or any other public services at all.

A grim reality will also become apparent as people return to work, and that is that jobs won't be there. We are in the first 2 months of an "incident" that has the potential to affect us all for 20 years. While in lockdown, it's been like a suspended animation, it will all now spring back to reality.

I really do hope that I am being overly pessimistic and that by having a relatively short timeout, the economy can bounce back quickly ... we will see, but I do know one thing that is certain, we need to get back to living and working as normally as we can as quickly as we can, otherwise when the next wave hits, there won't be any NHS to protect and there won't be a lockdown, because people will need to work to survive.

yes of course, i guess the government's job there for workers is provide face masks, make sure you can work whilst still holding yourself to the 2 metres social distancing rule (for construction workers mostly there seems to be this problem)

[Kazanne]

For Kaz

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Opinions are like assholes we all have one some agree some don't and never the twain will meet I watched Boris and the message was clear. Go back to work if it is safe to do so otherwise, stay home. Continue to observe social distancing but the limitation on leaving the house just to exercise has been lifted.

I can't understand why people are complaining - it is not as if a large number of them were observing the original restrictions anyway.

[user104658]

it is the simple realities of life i'm sorry to say, we need to get back to work (i've never stopped although i work from home)

The worlds economies are ****ed, we all need to generate income or we cannot pay for the NHS or any other public services at all.

A grim reality will also become apparent as people return to work, and that is that jobs won't be there. We are in the first 2 months of an "incident" that has the potential to affect us all for 20 years. While in lockdown, it's been like a suspended animation, it will all now spring back to reality.

I really do hope that I am being overly pessimistic and that by having a relatively short timeout, the economy can bounce back quickly ... we will see, but I do know one thing that is certain, we need to get back to living and working as normally as we can as quickly as we can, otherwise when the next wave hits, there won't be any NHS to protect and there won't be a lockdown, because people will need to work to survive.

I think at the very least we're going to see a seismic shift; service industries, physical retain and leisure are absolutely ****ed. Online retail and certain other industries have a chance to thrive. But of course, the problem is that these behemoth companies employ relatively few people and pay next to no tax.

[Kizzy]

I think at the very least we're going to see a seismic shift; service industries, physical retain and leisure are absolutely ****ed. Online retail and certain other industries have a chance to thrive. But of course, the problem is that these behemoth companies employ relatively few people and pay next to no tax.

So we can safely assume the conservatives love of free market venture capitalism has come back to bite them on the nads?

[user104658]

We shouldn't be expected to best guess, we deserve the truth. We can handle the truth as shown with the response to the truth bomb delivered prior to lockdown. What's the point in keeping things from us now?

Explain why certain sectors need to return and assure govt will put pressure on employers to ensure their workers are given adequate protection or protective measures.
It is here the fines need to be issued, if employers are found not to be complying with social distancing or protecting their workers fine them!

From personal experience my company who operate for a major supermarket distribution centre have given us over the period covid has been a threat precisely nothing, no ppe, no gels, no soap nothing. The supermarket over the last month have supplied us with wipes and the company who oversee the operation of the warehouse put in gel dispensers and flexible plastic screens 3 weeks ago.

I agree in principle about the honesty, but the government admitting that the economy is in big trouble would cause stocks to crash. The entire financial system set up as the UK standard by good ol' Ms Thatcher relies entirely on trader confidence, and the sad reality is, we sold everything off so the UK economy now relies heavily on London trading.

What really needs to happen though is at least being more open about it, but hand in hand with confident statements about how we're going to make it work and keep business going, which would hopefully remedy some of the market fears. As always strong, confident leadership is absolutely key and that's why Boris' Sunday video was an absolute disaster. Like basically the worst of both worlds! Confusing for the public AND alarming for the markets, because it was all over the place. Full of ifs, buts and maybes. A great big "shrug" of a statement.

[Kizzy]

Opinions are like assholes we all have one some agree some don't and never the twain will meet I watched Boris and the message was clear. Go back to work if it is safe to do so otherwise, stay home. Continue to observe social distancing but the limitation on leaving the house just to exercise has been lifted.

I can't understand why people are complaining - it is not as if a large number of them were observing the original restrictions anyway.
That does not address the issue raised in the vid, that conservative MPS don't know what the advice is following the speech either.

Attacking morgan for his comments was a smokescreen to cover the fact he had no clue what the advice was either.

[Kizzy]

I agree in principle about the honesty, but the government admitting that the economy is in big trouble would cause stocks to crash. The entire financial system set up as the UK standard by good ol' Ms Thatcher relies entirely on trader confidence, and the sad reality is, we sold everything off so the UK economy now relies heavily on London trading.

What really needs to happen though is at least being more open about it, but hand in hand with confident statements about how we're going to make it work and keep business going, which would hopefully remedy some of the market fears. As always strong, confident leadership is absolutely key and that's why Boris' Sunday video was an absolute disaster. Like basically the worst of both worlds! Confusing for the public AND alarming for the markets, because it was all over the place. Full of ifs, buts and maybes. A great big "shrug" of a statement.

Yep, they have crashed and are crashing, some industry specific advice and guidelines would help everyone; employers, employees and investors know the state of play moving forward.
Announcing on Sunday that sectors return to work on Monday with no guidelines is ridiculous and will in no way instill confidence in any market as it will lead to a prediction of a second wave of infection.

He's now suggesting last night's announcement was a 'rough sketch of a road map' ... Who the feck wants that?! The guy is a joke.

[arista]

That does not address the issue raised in the vid, that conservative MPS don't know what the advice is following the speech either.

Attacking morgan for his comments was a smokescreen to cover the fact he had no clue what the advice was either.



Yes thats why Owen Jones
posted it.

[Withano]

I can't understand why people are complaining.

I can’t speak for everyone, but I hate needless premature deaths. Wbu?

[The Slim Reaper]

Holy ****, arista posted about Owen Jones without using a pejorative. He'll be wearing a che guevara t-shirt, and a beret with a hammer and sickle badge on it next.

[Beso]

So we can safely assume the conservatives love of free market venture capitalism has come back to bite them on the nads?

YES YOU CAN....covid 19, kizzy salutes you x

[Marsh.]

i cannot comment myself on british government of course :laugh:

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[GoldHeart]

Oh c'mon Slim this would have happened anyway ,people were already flouting the rules.maybe he should stop treating us like adults and order us to stay put like little kids, ,would that satisfy everyone ? I doubt it,hes in a difficult position here,I don't get why people can't understand what he said, use common sense IF you think something is risky,dont do it:shrug:

Kaz it's alright using the argument of "rule breakers already doing what they want" , but at the end of the day Boris has given contradictory and mixed messages .

The buses and roads are now busy as hell :bored: :crazy: and it's thanks to him, people who were self isolating now think they can get back to normal.

[Mitchell]

Piers’ interview technique is very boisterous and over the top and he can be very obnoxious and preachy, however, the majority of people who are now against him because he’s challenging the government, didn’t mind his technique so much when he was doing it to vegans or trans people, or feminists, funny that really isn’t it, almost like something has changed..

Funny that isn’t it? :hehe:

[Beso]

Funny that isn’t it? :hehe:

thats why the left lost the last election....only the idiots were left bravely supporting someones opinions they felt they had to agree with because they had in the past.

[Kizzy]

:joker: yeah the guy has gone from hero to zero with the gammonati

[Marsh.]

thats why the left lost the last election....only the idiots were left bravely supporting someones opinions they felt they had to agree with because they had in the past.

Deflection.

[Beso]

Kaz it's alright using the argument of "rule breakers already doing what they want" , but at the end of the day Boris has given contradictory and mixed messages .

The buses and roads are now busy as hell :bored: :crazy: and it's thanks to him, people who were self isolating now think they can get back to normal.

fake news

[Kizzy]

thats why the left lost the last election....only the idiots were left bravely supporting someones opinions they felt they had to agree with because they had in the past.

Not even nearly true.

[Beso]

Deflection.

why is that?


its a true fact, the left lost the election cause sane people realised corbyn was a fool...


kaz probably already knows piers is a fool, but she can still agree with his opinions on things and also disagree like a sane person would.

[Marsh.]

why is that?


its a true fact, the left lost the election cause sane people realised corbyn was a fool...


kaz probably already knows piers is a fool, but she can still agree with his opinions on things and also disagree like a sane person would.

It's deflection because it's deflecting from the discussion.
Corbyn is the new Godwin's law around here.

[Beso]

Not even nearly true.

why else would the north desert labour then?

[Beso]

It's deflection because it's deflecting from the discussion.
Corbyn is the new Godwin's law around here.

no more of a deflection than the accusation directed at kaz and others earlier opinions on piers morgans views...its actually less of a deflection cause its a deflection on a deflection....but you have chosen a side cause you think you have to or because you have chosen that side in the past and only shouted deflection at my deflection of the earlier deflection.....


did you vote labour?

[Kizzy]

why else would the north desert labour then?

Brexit those pro brexit didn't think he was brexit enough and those anti brexit thought he was too brexit.

[Marsh.]

no more of a deflection than the accusation directed at kaz and others earlier opinions on piers morgans views...its actually less of a deflection cause its a deflection on a deflection....but you have chosen a side cause you think you have to or because you have chosen that side in the past and only shouted deflection at my deflection of the earlier deflection.....


did you vote labour?

No I didn't vote Labour so that makes this rambling make-believe story of yours even sillier.

[Beso]

No I didn't vote Labour so that makes this rambling make-believe story of yours even sillier.



fair enough, but you sound as though you did because you are ignored the original deflection in the last page and shouted deflection at me when i wasnt the first to deflect from the subject:nono:

[Mitchell]

why else would the north desert labour then?

Because they don’t like their leader to actually answer questions and would prefer a leader who mumbles in a fridge to avoid answering legitimate questions...

[Beso]

Because they don’t like their leader to actually answer questions and would prefer a leader who mumbles in a fridge to avoid answering legitimate questions...

why did they vote for blair then?

[Mitchell]

why did they vote for blair then?

I’m not sure, I wasn’t really watching question time when I was 1

[Withano]

85% of tibb agreeing the government are doing bad or terribly is probably the closest we’ve got as a community to agreeing on something. And that’s pretty cute.

[DouglasS]

Opinions are like assholes we all have one some agree some don't and never the twain will meet I watched Boris and the message was clear. Go back to work if it is safe to do so otherwise, stay home. Continue to observe social distancing but the limitation on leaving the house just to exercise has been lifted.

I can't understand why people are complaining - it is not as if a large number of them were observing the original restrictions anyway.

:clap1:
A very clear message was given. I feel like people are relying on the government for their common sense/basic thoughts

[AnnieK]

Multiple news outlets, political correspondents, members of the Conservative government and countless members of the public including Trade Unions asked for more clarity....Dominic Raab sounded confused this morning. The fact of the matter is, last night's broadcast was ambiguous because a lot of the information was, and still is being drafted.....a clear message it was not yesterday. Today is a little clearer and I am sure in coming days a lot of the TBC will appear but to say that the message last night was clear and transparent is a little blinkered.

[Withano]

:clap1:
A very clear message was given. I feel like people are relying on the government for their common sense/basic thoughts

You gonna stay steady in that stance when the police can do very little about the local yobs meeting up and infecting your neighbourhood, friends or family?

Because honestly, I don’t think you’ve thought about the potential ramifications that his speech may have on you personally yet.

[caprimint]

Opinions are like assholes we all have one some agree some don't and never the twain will meet I watched Boris and the message was clear. Go back to work if it is safe to do so otherwise, stay home. Continue to observe social distancing but the limitation on leaving the house just to exercise has been lifted.

I can't understand why people are complaining - it is not as if a large number of them were observing the original restrictions anyway.
Yep, KT summed it up quite well:

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:hehe:

[Marsh.]

Katie Hopkins' twitter feed. Someone's running out of material.

[Mitchell]

Katie Hopkins' twitter feed. Someone's running out of material.

:joker:

[Kazanne]

Kaz it's alright using the argument of "rule breakers already doing what they want" , but at the end of the day Boris has given contradictory and mixed messages .

The buses and roads are now busy as hell :bored: :crazy: and it's thanks to him, people who were self isolating now think they can get back to normal.

That's your opinion on the mixed messages,I got what he said loud and clear, he has not told everyone they are free to go out and really it's time we took responsibility for ourselves,we know the score now surely.

[Kazanne]

85% of tibb agreeing the government are doing bad or terribly is probably the closest we’ve got as a community to agreeing on something. And that’s pretty cute.

Well done you got the result you wanted

[bots]

i genuinely question if anyone on this forum saying the message is confusing doesn't know exactly what they should be doing at the moment. I think this is an example of people being confused for others and not themselves

[Kazanne]

Yep, KT summed it up quite well:

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:hehe:

:laugh: trust Katie,she's right though.

[Withano]

i genuinely question if anyone on this forum saying the message is confusing doesn't know exactly what they should be doing at the moment. I think this is an example of people being confused for others and not themselves

It’s all well and good knowing what we personally should be doing. But we share a country (and supermarkets and public spaces) with tens of millions of idiots who are now vindicated in doing what they want to be doing.

This strain of poorly thought through argument is tired and pointless.

[Withano]

Well done you got the result you wanted

I’m relieved that most on tibb have the ability to change their mindset based on new information provided to them. It shows maturity and rational thinking.

You’ve not actually voted in the poll?

[Kazanne]

I’m relieved that most on tibb have the ability to change their mindset based on new information provided to them. It shows maturity and rational thinking.

You’ve not actually voted in the poll?

Oh c'mon, lol, you knew what the result would be.

[bots]

It’s all well and good knowing what we personally should be doing. But we share a country (and supermarkets and public spaces) with tens of millions of idiots who are now vindicated in doing what they want to be doing.

This strain of poorly thought through argument is tired and pointless.

So basically you acknowledge that people personally know exactly what they should do, and you are making a judgement that others are too stupid to understand it. That says more about you than it does about the government.

[Smithy]

Oh c'mon, lol, you knew what the result would be.

The poll has been posted every week and the results have changed each time :rolleyes:

[Kazanne]

The poll has been posted every week and the results have changed each time :rolleyes:

Not by much,we all know the majority on here are not Tory supporters so the results are going to be pretty obvious each time, have the Tories come out on top at all ?

[Liam-]

It’s not about being a Tory supporter it’s about being objective in if the government is doing a good job or not, the only ones not being objective are the Tories unfortunately, but not unsurprisingly

[Smithy]

Not by much,we all know the majority on here are not Tory supporters so the results are going to be pretty obvious each time, have the Tories come out on top at all ?

What do you mean have the tories come out on top?! This isn’t about if people support the tories, this is about if they’ve handled this pandemic well and the answer is NO, I imagine there’s people that have voted terrible that voted for the tories in the last election

[Livia]

What do you mean have the tories come out on top?! This isn’t about if people support the tories, this is about if they’ve handled this pandemic well and the answer is NO, I imagine there’s people that have voted terrible that voted for the tories in the last election

Smithy, you've been posting anti-Tory stuff since the pandemic kicked off. Don't try to pretend that this isn't political.

Are they doing a good job? I think they've done okay so far, but we're in uncharted waters, no one's had to cope with this in the last hundred years. Do I think that Labour would have done better? No.

[Smithy]

Smithy, you've been posting anti-Tory stuff since the pandemic kicked off. Don't try to pretend that this isn't political.

Are they doing a good job? I think they've done okay so far, but we're in uncharted waters, no one's had to cope with this in the last hundred years. Do I think that Labour would have done better? No.

Why do you always have to make it personal? :bored: stick to the topic at hand please Livia

[Kizzy]

I have been extremely generous in only putting bad job this far and as a Labour supporter that pains me, there are areas that have been terrible but I'm hoping against hope they will manage this phasing out of lockdown effectively while protecting everyone to prevent another spike.

Can I point out that as I showed in the last poll tibb responses were aligned with the general population.

[Withano]

So basically you acknowledge that people personally know exactly what they should do, and you are making a judgement that others are too stupid to understand it. That says more about you than it does about the government.

You think the death rate will go up or down in the next three weeks?

[Withano]

Oh c'mon, lol, you knew what the result would be.

I actually wasn’t expecting ‘terrible’ to go from 18% to 70% because that’s a ****ing crazy difference.

But it is fair considering the mess they’ve made this week. There are yet to be coherent arguments as to why they should be considered good on this thread.

Just the usual nonsense about labour and tories, and left and right wing, and nothing specific about the handling of the pandemic

[arista]

The poll has been posted every week and the results have changed each time :rolleyes:

Yes very true
Slick Smithy

[Tom4784]

It's a pandemic, if you're more concerned with defending your party of choice over scrutinising the government over how they are handling things then you're priorities are honestly ****ed.

Boris ****ed up on Sunday and the government's messaging since then has been mixed, contradictory and ineffective. It doesn't matter which party is in charge, a response like this should be criticised.

Look beyond your own agendas and see the bigger picture.

[bots]

You think the death rate will go up or down in the next three weeks?

the death rate will reflect the number of infected and their demographic as it always has. People are going to die until we get a vaccine or effective treatment, all we can do is keep it so that the NHS is not overwhelmed, I don't know why people are finding that so difficult to understand. If people practice effective social distancing, there should be no marked increase that would cause the NHS to buckle

[Withano]

the death rate will reflect the number of infected and their demographic as it always has. People are going to die until we get a vaccine or effective treatment, all we can do is keep it so that the NHS is not overwhelmed, I don't know why people are finding that so difficult to understand. If people practice effective social distancing, there should be no marked increase that would cause the NHS to buckle

You think people are just as likely to practice social distancing (with more people going to work, and teens facing no consequences for meeting with their friends so long as they’re not caught being close)?

You can repeat yourself but you’re looking at the prime ministers words with a very self-centred way. You being careful means **** all if a couple hundred from your local supermarket aren’t. And that’s why you’re in the minority on this thread. Everybody else understands this.

[user104658]

Are they doing a good job? I think they've done okay so far, but we're in uncharted waters, no one's had to cope with this in the last hundred years. Do I think that Labour would have done better? No.

No one's had to deal with this ever; 100 years ago the global population was 1/4 of what it is now (less than 2 billion) and the way the economy functioned was entirely different. We are literally in completely uncharted waters. The human species has fought viruses before... we get there in the end with them, sometimes with a tragic toll, but in terms of physiology, we've evolved to do that part.

The vast modern global economy is less than 50 years old and shutting it down in the way we have, for any amount of time, is COMPLETELY new (and honestly quite terrifying) territory. It's a massive scale social and economic experiment and we have literally no idea what the effects are going to be. None of them are going to be good. Some of them are going to be catastrophic.

[Kazanne]

the death rate will reflect the number of infected and their demographic as it always has. People are going to die until we get a vaccine or effective treatment, all we can do is keep it so that the NHS is not overwhelmed, I don't know why people are finding that so difficult to understand. If people practice effective social distancing, there should be no marked increase that would cause the NHS to buckle

I think it may go up a bit next week bots due to the lovely weather last week and some people ignoring the distance rule,hope not though.

[user104658]

Boris ****ed up on Sunday

I do think this is the part where even people who think they're generally doing OK need to conceed a bit; Boris' "speech" on Sunday was an absolute shambles. Like... in any scenario. It was just bad. Muddled, unclear, ineffective and lacking in anything resembling confident leadership.

[bots]

I do think this is the part where even people who think they're generally doing OK need to conceed a bit; Boris' "speech" on Sunday was an absolute shambles. Like... in any scenario. It was just bad. Muddled, unclear, ineffective and lacking in anything resembling confident leadership.


i don't disagree with that, but at it's heart we are in a democracy, where people expect and are granted freedom to practice common sense, where guidelines have been given.

I asked a genuine question earlier, does anyone honestly not understand at this point what they need to do to keep safe. I'm still waiting on 1 person to say they don't know what to do and yet we have so many saying the message is confusing ... it doesn't add up, sorry, it is politically driven hate toward the government ... and i didn't vote at the last election so i am no fan of Boris

[The Slim Reaper]

i don't disagree with that, but at it's heart we are in a democracy, where people expect and are granted freedom to practice common sense, where guidelines have been given.

I asked a genuine question earlier, does anyone honestly not understand at this point what they need to do to keep safe. I'm still waiting on 1 person to say they don't know what to do and yet we have so many saying the message is confusing ... it doesn't add up, sorry, it is politically driven hate toward the government ... and i didn't vote at the last election so i am no fan of Boris

Do folks know what to do because of Boris' message, or in spite of it? No one is keeping themselves completely safe, unless they're living in a bunker with enough canned goods to see out the apocalypse.

The only thing we can do is mitigate the risk as much as possible, but now boris has given an excuse to those that wanted to scrap being sensible, then even our mitigated risk is now a lot higher because we don't know what everyone else is doing to keep themselves as safe as possible.

627 deaths reported in last 24hrs, so pretty much nothing has happened to give Boris or any other parties leader the green light to kick everyone back into the petri dish without reason.

[The Slim Reaper]

Chris Giles is the economics editor for the FT.

If you open the whole thread, he offers some more optimistic information too.

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[Withano]

I think it may go up a bit next week bots due to the lovely weather last week and some people ignoring the distance rule,hope not though.

:joker: Why are you being like this

[Oliver_W]

Given that by all accounts BoJo had always wanted to be PM, I really dared to hope he'd really come into his own during this crisis, and would come out swinging and really knock it out of the park, especially since getting the illness himself.

Alas, not...

[user104658]

Given that by all accounts BoJo had always wanted to be PM, I really dared to hope he'd really come into his own during this crisis, and would come out swinging and really knock it out of the park, especially since getting the illness himself.

Alas, not...

He's out of his depth, he's a career politician... not a leader... and that's becoming increasingly clear. The "game" of politics - the game he's very good at - is about charming people, manipulating, negotiating and rising through the ranks.

Now he's in the top job with nowhere to go and, surprise surprise, he seems to be totally lost. You can't charm, manipulate or negotiate with a virus... his primary skillset is useless here, in a crisis situation.