Belgium now tops Europe with per capita deaths

[Cherie]

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0511/1137704-covid19-coronavirus-world/

Data from The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in the US, suggests that in Europe, Belgium has the highest number of confirmed Covid-19 deaths for every 100,000 of the population.

The figure for Belgium is 75+ deaths for each 100,000 of the population.

It compares with Spain 56+, Italy 50+, UK 47+, Netherlands 31+, Sweden 31+ and Ireland is at 29+.

Outside of Europe, the US has 24 plus deaths for every 100,000 of the population.

On these figures, South Korea has performed well at 0.5 and Singapore on 0.35.

Comparisons between countries are very difficult, as not all countries may be counting all Covid-19 deaths, or probable deaths.

Some may have different classification and reporting systems and there may be time delays in data collection, making it difficult to draw firm conclusions at this point.

Other factors, such as the criteria for testing and the number of people tested, demographics and the characteristics of the various health systems, will also play a part.

For example, Nicaragua has reported 16 cases and five deaths giving it statistically a case fatality rate of over 31%.

The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine Coronavirus Resource Centre in Baltimore, Maryland, has looked at data on four million cases, 282,900 deaths and 187 countries or regions affected.

[Cherie]

I have asked before about Belgian deaths approx 8,000 when you compare it to a similar size population like Portugal, who have about 1200 deaths but then Belgium are counting care homes, not sure Portugal are?

[Cherie]

I fear this little thread wont get many posts :worry:

[Kizzy]

What's different about Belgium?

Belgian officials say they are counting in a way that no other country in the world is currently doing: counting deaths in hospitals and care homes, but including deaths in care homes that are suspected, not confirmed, as Covid-19 cases.

According to Belgium's latest official figures, out of 7,703 deaths, 53% have been in care homes.




https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-52491210

[Oliver_W]

It's obviously not true, because it doesn't say Adolph Johnson's leadership is killing the most people!!!


But yeah, it'd be helpful if either all countries uses the same methods for counting deaths, or if at least those who count more had it itemized to make comparing easier.

[Cherie]

What's different about Belgium?
Belgian officials say they are counting in a way that no other country in the world is currently doing: counting deaths in hospitals and care homes, but including deaths in care homes that are suspected, not confirmed, as Covid-19 cases.

According to Belgium's latest official figures, out of 7,703 deaths, 53% have been in care homes.

Isn't that what the UK is doing now? plus adding deaths in the community?

[Niamh.]

When you compare Ireland to Sweden, it's interesting that we're close on the same when we've done full lockdown and they didn't do lockdown at all. Do you know if Sweden has been counting Care home Deaths as well Cherie?

[Kazanne]

I fear this little thread wont get many posts :worry:

:laugh: I don't really know why we are comparing to other countries anyway Cherie this thing hasn't finished with any of us yet, mother nature telling us off.:hehe:

[The Slim Reaper]

It's obviously not true, because it doesn't say Adolph Johnson's leadership is killing the most people!!!


But yeah, it'd be helpful if either all countries uses the same methods for counting deaths, or if at least those who count more had it itemized to make comparing easier.

Is that Adolfs greek cousin?

[Kizzy]

What's different about Belgium?
Belgian officials say they are counting in a way that no other country in the world is currently doing: counting deaths in hospitals and care homes, but including deaths in care homes that are suspected, not confirmed, as Covid-19 cases.

According to Belgium's latest official figures, out of 7,703 deaths, 53% have been in care homes.

Isn't that what the UK is doing now? plus adding deaths in the community?

Not sure if there's still to be a positive test before covid is cited as cause or contributor to a deaths in care homes or private homes here, if you take over half away and compare that to our figures from a couple of weeks back that didn't include care homes you'd have a fairer comparison possibly as you would have left those who passed in hospital and those with Covid on the death certificate?

[Beso]

When you compare Ireland to Sweden, it's interesting that we're close on the same when we've done full lockdown and they didn't do lockdown at all. Do you know if Sweden has been counting Care home Deaths as well Cherie?

this is a very important point for me, cause im not seeing much benefit in a full lockdown compared to a lesser form of lockdown

[bots]

If the health care systems didn't get overwhelmed in a particular country the death % will be almost identical for the same population demographic against the number infected. No country has a vaccine or an exceptional treatment method so covid will kill the same relative numbers

All the comparisons being done now are honestly complete nonsense

[DouglasS]

Once again proof that when you include care home deaths the death toll is almost incomparable against countries not including it, hopefully other forum members will read this thread and finally understand

[Kizzy]

If the health care systems didn't get overwhelmed in a particular country the death % will be almost identical for the same population demographic against the number infected. No country has a vaccine or an exceptional treatment method so covid will kill the same relative numbers

All the comparisons being done now are honestly complete nonsense

I don't understand this... without the lockdown we would have been overwhelmed ages ago :/

[Denver]

If the health care systems didn't get overwhelmed in a particular country the death % will be almost identical for the same population demographic against the number infected. No country has a vaccine or an exceptional treatment method so covid will kill the same relative numbers

All the comparisons being done now are honestly complete nonsense

We also also have to add in some countries have a high elder popularity compared to other countries and also some countries have higher BAME citizens then others which are major problems and the higher risks when it comes to catching the virus

[Oliver_W]

We also also have to add in some countries have a high elder popularity compared to other countries and also some countries have higher BAME citizens then others which are major problems and the higher risks when it comes to catching the virus

It's still unclear if the risk factor with BAME people is a genetic thing, or because of factors such as work and lifestyles.

[bots]

I don't understand this... without the lockdown we would have been overwhelmed ages ago :/

it's not difficult to understand, the lock down reduced the rate of infection, but without a vaccine or a cure, people will continue to die at the same % for the same population demographic, no matter the country. They can only temporarily slow the rate of infection so that health systems don't get overwhelmed like they did in Spain and Italy, The same % of people infected will die(in the same demographic) no matter if we are in lockdown or not.

[Cherie]

When you compare Ireland to Sweden, it's interesting that we're close on the same when we've done full lockdown and they didn't do lockdown at all. Do you know if Sweden has been counting Care home Deaths as well Cherie?

I am not sure, will try and find a link

[Cherie]

When you compare Ireland to Sweden, it's interesting that we're close on the same when we've done full lockdown and they didn't do lockdown at all. Do you know if Sweden has been counting Care home Deaths as well Cherie?

Yes they are counting care home deaths, interesting article here where they are implementing social distancing but not as part of a formal lockdown, more by consent

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/dont-judge-swedens-light-touch-on-covid-19-yet-says-minister