HMRC - credit where credit is due

[Cherie]

It appears they are doing well with getting payments out, and I am delighted with them they put 200 quid into my account yesterday and I have no idea for what :joker:

I did my last self assessment a week or so ago and they own me money but this is not part of that as I checked the figures again and nothing had changed and I have to request a refund....

so yeah...:clap1: Mr C is reporting many people on his site who had been off for 8 weeks have got payments far before the 1st June self employed advisory time.

[thesheriff443]

It appears they are doing well with getting payments out, and I am delighted with them they put 200 quid into my account yesterday and I have no idea for what :joker:

I did my last self assessment a week or so ago and they own me money but this is not part of that as I checked the figures again and nothing had changed and I have to request a refund....

so yeah...:clap1: Mr C is reporting many people on his site who had been off for 8 weeks have got payments far before the 1st June self employed advisory time.

They give it with one hand and take it back with the other hand.

No such thing as a free lunch.

[Cherie]

They give it with one hand and take it back with the other hand.

No such thing as a free lunch.


That's not the point being made Sheriff but hey ho

[thesheriff443]

That's not the point being made Sheriff but hey ho

The point is you will pay all that money and more besides back.

[thesheriff443]

A few years back a friend owed the tax man 12 grand he was self employed, he offered them 100 pounds a month until it was cleared but they said no we will write the debt off and make you bankrupt.

[Cherie]

The point is you will pay all that money and more besides back.

That's your point so make a thread about it. My point is if you ever have had dealings with HMRC they are so slow in responding. They said they wouldn't be paying out self employed grants etc until after 1st June and they are a month ahead which given the amount of work this has created is pretty damn good in my view

[Cherie]

A few years back a friend owed the tax man 12 grand he was self employed, he offered them 100 pounds a month until it was cleared but they said no we will write the debt off and make you bankrupt.

and that has diddly squat to do with how they are responding to payments in the current crisis :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

That's your point so make a thread about it. My point is if you ever have had dealings with HMRC they are so slow in responding. They said they wouldn't be paying out self employed grants etc until after 1st June and they are a month ahead which given the amount of work this has created is pretty damn good in my view

I’m making my point in your thread as it’s a valid opinion on the tax man they will see plenty go to the wall in this pandemic

[Cherie]

I’m making my point in your thread as it’s a valid opinion on the tax man they will see plenty go to the wall in this pandemic

That's not the premise of the thread though, its about payments in the current crises, there are plenty horror stories about HMRC we could be here all day

[AnnieK]

A few years back a friend owed the tax man 12 grand he was self employed, he offered them 100 pounds a month until it was cleared but they said no we will write the debt off and make you bankrupt.

Had he had a payment arrangement he had defaulted on? That is not normal for the Tax man....why would they write the debt off when they have offer of repayment?

[thesheriff443]

Had he had a payment arrangement he had defaulted on? That is not normal for the Tax man....why would they write the debt off when they have offer of repayment?

No that’s the the thing they just would not accept 100 pound a month.

[AnnieK]

My company has furloughed staff (me included:bawling:) and as an agency we have also furloughed our long term temps who were finished from assignments and the Government payments have been made on time. The Government have been organised and fast moving with this scheme which given the numbers of employees on the scheme is commendable.

[Cherie]

My company has furloughed staff (me included:bawling:) and as an agency we have also furloughed our long term temps who were finished from assignments and the Government payments have been made on time. The Government have been organised and fast moving with this scheme which given the numbers of employees on the scheme is commendable.

I thought it would be a calamity given how poor they are in normal situations :laugh:

[user104658]

A few years back a friend owed the tax man 12 grand he was self employed, he offered them 100 pounds a month until it was cleared but they said no we will write the debt off and make you bankrupt.

Fffff to owe the tax man £12000 and only be able to afford to repay £100/m other his business had already tanked, OR he wasn't paying tax at all for years. I'm surprised they let him off with bankruptcy.

[user104658]

I'd be wary of "unidentified" HMRC payments though Cherie, call 'em up and ask what the payment is. If it's an error they'll snatch it right back with no questions or protests :joker:.

A friend of mine made that error when we were at Uni. He was doing a bit of freelancing, got a random £250 in his account... immediately spent it... only to be hit with a demand for immediate repayment. He borrowed the cash from me and paid it back by "paying for a round" every time we went out... for literally nearly 4 years. Should have charged interest.

[Cherie]

I'd be wary of "unidentified" HMRC payments though Cherie, call 'em up and ask what the payment is. If it's an error they'll snatch it right back with no questions or protests :joker:.

A friend of mine made that error when we were at Uni. He was doing a bit of freelancing, got a random £250 in his account... immediately spent it... only to be hit with a demand for immediate repayment. He borrowed the cash from me and paid it back by "paying for a round" every time we went out... for literally nearly 4 years. Should have charged interest.

Thanks TS I am going to let it sit there for now and see what happens, I cant face calling them as you are normally holding for at least 40 minutes, the payment came from HMRC Glasgow which is not normally where any of our HMRC payments come from

[thesheriff443]

Fffff to owe the tax man £12000 and only be able to afford to repay £100/m other his business had already tanked, OR he wasn't paying tax at all for years. I'm surprised they let him off with bankruptcy.

As usual you don’t know what you are talking about.

[user104658]

As usual you don’t know what you are talking about.

Care to elaborate? If he owed £12k in tax for the previous tax year then he would have to be making decent turnover. If he was making decent turnover then he could afford to repay more than £100 a month.

So your options are:

1) His business has tanked, it was making great profits but now isn't making much, so he doesn't have money to spare month to month for a repayment.

2) He owes them tax over a longer term / hasn't been paying previous years

3) He COULD afford to pay them more than £100/month but was lowballing them a repayment offer that they were never going to accept (a £12k tax bill would take 10 years to pay at £100/month).


Feel free to explain how it isn't one of those things though, instead of just a vague "ha ha no u r wrong" without any explanation :idc:.

[Kizzy]

I'd say he had been avoiding tax for a long while and couldn't afford what they've estimated based on his declared earnings.
I wouldn't say bankruptcy is letting him off... he effectively loses any assets, including his home if there's equity in it :/

He obviously had a lot of debt but £100pm for a 12k debt was never going to cut it :(

[user104658]

I'd say he had been avoiding tax for a long while and couldn't afford what they've estimated based on his declared earnings.
I wouldn't say bankruptcy is letting him off... he effectively loses any assets, including his home if there's equity in it :/

He obviously had a lot of debt but £100pm for a 12k debt was never going to cut it :(Bankruptcy is a personal tragedy for anyone, I agree, 6 years of being totally unable to get credit (even basic stuff like a phone contract) is certainly no joke. However, failure to pay tax for say 5+ years and then being unable to pay the wolf when he comes knocking can result in jail time.

[Kizzy]

I dont know, I know HMRC are ruthless, but if they get gheir money via your bankruptcy that's always going to be beneficial to court cases where pesky circumstances like dependents will see their debt slashed.

[user104658]

I dont know, I know HMRC are ruthless, but if they get gheir money via your bankruptcy that's always going to be beneficial to court cases where pesky circumstances like dependents will see their debt slashed.True, it would depend if seizable assets could cover the debt I guess.