Should Dominic Cummings be fired?

[Mitchell]

Poll incoming x

[AnnieK]

No he shouldn't be fired....the selfish twat shpuld have resigned

[Mitchell]

In my opinion he’s only still there as he knows where the bodies are buried, he is the Sinitta of the Tory party.

[Mitchell]

No he shouldn't be fired....the selfish twat shpuld have resigned

Oh he completely should’ve resigned.

[Zizu]

I don’t think he should be fired or forced out for this matter ..

If he’s such a bad man get him on something else .. maybe another misdemeanour further down the line .


He’s being incorrectly crucified for taking a 30 minutes drive to test his eyesight yet he never said that he took the test drive for that reason ..


Check out this excerpt

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She didn't want to risk a nearly 300-mile drive with our child, given how ill I had been. We agreed that we should go for a short drive to see if I could drive safely. We drove for roughly half an hour and ended up on the outskirts of Barnard Castle town. We did not visit the castle. We did not walk around the town. We parked by a river. My wife and I discussed the situation. We agreed that I could drive safely, we should turn around, go home. “




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[Marsh.]

He’s being incorrectly crucified for taking a 30 minutes drive to test his eyesight

No. He isn't.

[caprimint]

No

[Zizu]

No. He isn't.



Oh yes he is ...


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[Beso]

100 percent not.

[Zizu]

Now this morning Starmer was calling for Cummings’s head ..

Now apparently there was a political commentator on today’s Good morning Britain say that 4 labour MPs had broken the lock down and none had been punished by him.
Is this the case?

Does anyone know ??


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[Beso]

Wish I owned all memes for next week.

[Zizu]

Interesting...
Please excuse the cut and paste job

Last Labour took on a new line and a new, harsher, tone. Instead of asking questions, the leader of the opposition pivoted to demanding the scalp of Dominic Cummings. Pitch forks were sharpened. Attack videos were made. The witch hunt campaign began in earnest.

Whilst this more aggressive strategy, as Corbyn’s used to, collects likes and retweets in droves online, Starmer has now opened up a can of hypocrisy worms that he will not be able to put back with any ease.

It isn’t that long ago that Labour’s Stephen Kinnock drove hundreds of miles to see his elderly parents during lockdown or that one of Labour’s few remaining MPs in County Durham, Kevan Jones, attended a constituents’ birthday party. On both occasions, Keir Starmer of course did nothing.

This new approach smacks bad faith hyper partisanship – exactly the approach the new Labour Leader told the nation he would avoid. Truly gone is the brief window of constructive opposition.

Starmer’s statement yesterday highlighted the tragic cases of people across this country not able to be with their loved ones in their final moments, and of mourners unable to find the closure and shared consolation of funerals. Yet this was the same Keir Starmer who did nothing to reprimand Labour MP Tahir Ali who attended a funeral in his constituency as one of 100 mourners at the start of April. The point scoring partisan double standards over such sensitive matters leaves a truly bitter taste in the mouth.

The statement is even more brazen when you take into account that Dominic Cummings himself was among the many millions of people robbed of being with their loved ones in their final moments. Due to the lockdown Cummings was unable to visit his uncle, whom he was exceptionally close to, through his final days in hospital in London. At the time, Cummings was isolating in Durham.

What a contrast to those Labour MPs who darted about the country for reasons other than safeguarding children with particular needs.

Even viewed under the harshest lens, the case of Dominic Cummings is less than clear cut. MPs like Steve Baker who have called for Cummings to go have spoken about the “spirit” rather than the letter of the rules being broken. This far from the same category of those Labour MPs who actually broke lockdown.

Labour’s Health Secretary in Wales, Vaughn Gething, had a picnic with his family in a park at a time when the Welsh Government he sits in explicitly said “No picnics in the park.” There is no wriggle room there. Keir Starmer of course stayed silent.

Once the guillotine has been dragged out for one person, it rarely works out well for the initial operators.

Labour needs to recognise they can’t cheer on the cancel culture revolution for their political opponents, while ignoring the graver misdeeds of their own. Keir Starmer is opening a pandora’s box of persecution, and it will not discriminate by party. This can’t be one rule for Labour politicians, and another rule for everyone else.


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[Zizu]

Why is everyone dismissing the fact that this apparently unforgivable ‘crime’ comes down to an obviously concerned couple simply doing their level best to protect their 4 yrs old child , whilst actually causing no harm to anyone !

Blimey I’d give them the benefit of the doubt if their explanation was based around them simply being worried that they MAY both get poorly but given we KNOW that that the mother was poorly at the start and the father actually got very , very poorly the whole witch-hunt seems grossly unfair .


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[MB.]

whilst actually causing no harm to anyone !

Good morning and welcome to my TED Talk on how contagious diseases work

[Zizu]

Good morning and welcome to my TED Talk on how contagious diseases work



This whole shambolic affair is about one man breaking a rule .. if you listened to his explanation - at no time were they at risk of spreading the disease .


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[AnnieK]

This whole shambolic affair is about one man breaking a rule .. if you listened to his explanation - at no time were they at risk of spreading the disease .


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So if his car had broken down, was he going to walk the rest of the way or put a breakdown driver and therefore another family at risk? Or maybe someone else who stopped to help. With this virus, there is risk everywhere

If on the test drive to test his eyesight, it had proved to not be up to driving and he caused an accident....was that not putting people at risk?

The terms of your driving licence state that you must feel well enough to drive before getting behind the wheel of said car.

[Zizu]

So if his car had broken down, was he going to walk the rest of the way or put a breakdown driver and therefore another family at risk? Or maybe someone else who stopped to help. With this virus, there is risk everywhere



If on the test drive to test his eyesight, it had proved to not be up to driving and he caused an accident....was that not putting people at risk?



The terms of your driving licence state that you must feel well enough to drive before getting behind the wheel of said car.



The thing is he’d HAD trouble with his eyesight.. at no time before / during / after making his statement has he said his eyesight was impaired when he took off on the test drive ... the drive was simply to assure both his his wife and himself that he’d recovered sufficiently from his illness to make the long drive home ..


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[Oliver_W]

I don't think so - by keeping him, the Tories are hoisting themselves on their own petard* and I look forward to Boris blundering along as he tries to maintain credibility.


*give or take a letter

[bots]

As 70% of the British public believe he should be sacked it would seem to be political suicide to continue making excuses for him to keep him in position. At the end of the day, that's usually all that matters and Boris would be stupid to ignore it, but then he isn't normal

[Crimson Dynamo]

No of course not

It's just hysteria that is class and politically motivated. Plus many twitter, tick tockites are bored and don't have much to do and need to vent their frustration

[Toy Soldier]

He should have been cast into the abyss in 2015 so yes. Get rid by any means necessary. I couldn't give a **** about his Covid jollies but hey if it works as a hammer to knock that barnacle off of British politics, why not manipulate it to that end? Cummings can't really complain, nefarious political manipulation has been his entire career. Live by the sword, and all that. :hee:

[MTVN]

He should have been at the start but the damage has been done now so I'm not sure there's much point. In the end this will pass and Cummings will have the chance to prove whether his importance to government over the next four years outweighs the anger he has caused with his actions. I was pretty disappointed with the PMs response but I've found the hounding of Cummings by some of the press and by activists to be pretty unedifying as well

[Liam-]

Boris has really backed himself into a corner, he’s stood by someone who should have been fired and if anything new comes out that proves he’s been lying, it’ll prove that Boris has lied himself to defend someone he shouldn’t have, all of this could have been dealt with if they had taken swift action, whatever happens now they’ve lost the trust of a lot of people

[Zizu]

Just heard Beth Hillier ( Labour obviously) putting questions to Boris .. her tone was simply disgraceful and I would have insisted that she lost that attitude or cut her off .

There was another female mp earlier on who was also unnecessarily aggressive towards the Prime Minister.. she just barked complaints at him despite repeatedly being told by the chairman to ASK a question ... she continued to ignore him as well ..

And we wonder why our youngsters have zero respect for authority ..


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[Marsh.]

Oh no, we can't be having politicians with bad attitudes.

[Zizu]

Oh no, we can't be having politicians with bad attitudes.



Surely they have to remain respectful towards others .. both women immediately went on the offensive ‘telling’ Boris why he’d made this decision or that decision... just ridiculous


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[Marsh.]

Surely they have to remain respectful towards others .. both women immediately went on the offensive ‘telling’ Boris why he’d made this decision or that decision... just ridiculous


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Oh I completely agree. I just find it odd to be up in arms about a tone of voice but their completely disrespectful and diabolical actions are seen as making mountains out of molehills. You're quick to call out her "disgraceful" tone of voice but not Dominic Cumming's lies.

We've already had both Dominic and Boris tell bare faced lies in regards to the situation, it's no wonder people are at the end of their tether.

[Zizu]

Classic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qvHeZDa8Q4


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[Kazanne]

Classic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qvHeZDa8Q4


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Love it Zizu and hes right and wasnt the lockdown introduced to help the NHS cope ? it wasnt to stop the virus because nothing can, the DC scandal imo is very much a political game.

[Marsh.]

Nobody said lockdown was to stop the virus.

You're blindly ignoring the reasons people have taken issue and invented new ones. The lengths people will go to to convince themselves that what he did was fine. :facepalm: So fine, he saw fit to tell innumerable lies after the fact.

You'll support him and he's literally laughing at you.

[Kazanne]

Nobody said lockdown was to stop the virus.

You're blindly ignoring the reasons people have taken issue and invented new ones. The lengths people will go to to convince themselves that what he did was fine. :facepalm: So fine, he saw fit to tell innumerable lies after the fact.

You'll support him and he's literally laughing at you.

I've never said I supported him, I do however think the hysteria over this now is laughable ,the media are being absolutely manic.No one said what he did was fine

[Marsh.]

I've never said I supported him, I do however think the hysteria over this now is laughable ,the media are being absolutely manic.No one said what he did was fine

Many are.
And diverting attention to the behaviour of the media doesn't change anything.

[rusticgal]

The thing is he’d HAD trouble with his eyesight.. at no time before / during / after making his statement has he said his eyesight was impaired when he took off on the test drive ... the drive was simply to assure both his his wife and himself that he’d recovered sufficiently from his illness to make the long drive home ..


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You don’t do an hour long trip to ‘test your eyesight’...take a 15min drive on your own....and why couldn’t his wife drive anyway. It’s an embarrassing cover up for his trip to a beauty spot. The rest of his story I could believe...but not this bit.
He should have resigned...

[Crimson Dynamo]

You don’t do an hour long trip to ‘test your eyesight’...take a 15min drive on your own....and why couldn’t his wife drive anyway. It’s an embarrassing cover up for his trip to a beauty spot. The rest of his story I could believe...but not this bit.
He should have resigned...

Just because you would not do something he did does not make it fake.

I'm sure you have done things if you posted on here we would be like

Well that never happened

[Marsh.]

Just because you would not do something he did does not make it fake.

I'm sure you have done things if you posted on here we would be like

Well that never happened

Rustic isn't the advisor to the Prime Minister, setting rules for the people of this country to follow during a global pandemic, resulting in people dying alone and isolated, then flouting the rules and sticking two fingers up at the public at the same time.

But, yeah, excuse it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rustic isn't the advisor to the Prime Minister, setting rules for the people of this country to follow during a global pandemic, resulting in people dying alone and isolated, then flouting the rules and sticking two fingers up at the public at the same time.

But, yeah, excuse it.

If you have evidence he is lying let's see it?

Oh wait you don't, you just don't like him

[Marsh.]

If you have evidence he is lying let's see it?

Oh wait you don't, you just don't like him

You seem to have missed the point that REGARDLESS of whether his little story is true or false (a story he has changed several times), he broke lockdown rules EITHER WAY.

But you don't want to hear that, because you're a contrary Mary.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You seem to have missed the point that REGARDLESS of whether his little story is true or false (a story he has changed several times), he broke lockdown rules EITHER WAY.

But you don't want to hear that, because you're a contrary Mary.

I'm afraid that isn't true

[Marsh.]

I'm afraid that isn't true

If you have evidence it isn't, let's see.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you have evidence it isn't, let's see.


Just Google Dr Harries + exceptional circumstances

And read the telegraph article

It's all there for you

[Marsh.]

Just Google Dr Harries + exceptional circumstances

And read the telegraph article

It's all there for you

Google. Ok, buddy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Google. Ok, buddy.

Yes and then the article and quote plus the evidence you need


Sorted

[Marsh.]

Yes and then the article and quote plus the evidence you need


Sorted

It doesn't relate to the question I asked you or the quoted post.

You're getting all confused by the varying different statements you're refuting. Maybe make a spreadsheet?

[Toy Soldier]

Just because you would not do something he did does not make it fake.



I'm sure you have done things if you posted on here we would be like



Well that never happenedI mean... Either it's not true and he should be gone because he's lying, or it IS true and he should be gone because he is one of the most unfathomable stupid people I've ever heard of in my life.

(It is, of course, clearly lies unless we're abandoning all common sense)

[AnnieK]

Maybe if he relaxed the lockdown, stayed close to home and taken his shirt off whilst adhering to his advised measures LT may have agreed he was in the wrong?? The guy has single handedly broken the GBPs trust in the Gov and anyone sayong otherwise needs to take a look at the numerous polls and then argue their point in the.mirror

[Zizu]

Oh I completely agree. I just find it odd to be up in arms about a tone of voice but their completely disrespectful and diabolical actions are seen as making mountains out of molehills. You're quick to call out her "disgraceful" tone of voice but not Dominic Cumming's lies.

We've already had both Dominic and Boris tell bare faced lies in regards to the situation, it's no wonder people are at the end of their tether.



To be fair it’s easy to spot the disrespectful behaviour those two demonstrated today but virtually impossible to see if someone is lying ..

Cummings made some poor decisions but we can’t know for sure if he’s lied about anything in that statement .. just because you and yours detest him or wouldn’t have made the same choices it doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s lied about anything ..


Oddly enough someone last night said that his account of things sounded so bad that it had to be true as if someone was making up a story they wouldn’t have come up with the one he told .


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[Marsh.]

To be fair it’s easy to spot the disrespectful behaviour those two demonstrated today but virtually impossible to see if someone is lying ..

Cummings made some poor decisions but we can’t know for sure if he’s lied about anything in that statement .. just because you and yours detest him or wouldn’t have made the same choices it doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s lied about anything ..


Oddly enough someone last night said that his account of things sounded so bad that it had to be true as if someone was making up a story they wouldn’t have come up with the one he told .


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Detest him? Not at all. Find his behaviour abhorrent? Yes. Impossible to see if someone's lying? :joker: Ok. His constantly changing story is a big indicator.

Whether you believe his tale to be true or lies is not the point. EITHER WAY he's taken the piss out of the public and continues to do so.

You would see that if you weren't playing your tired Labour v Conservative game. "You and yours" I take to mean as Labour supporters. I'll give you a hint: I didn't vote Labour. As such, your words are empty.

[bots]

He isn't going to be fired, and Boris will just ride it out now until the next big story hits. I thought he should go, but clearly it's one rule for the government and another for ordinary folks. I also saw Fielding in the committee yesterday, and she didn't help the cause by blatant grandstanding

[Cherie]

He isn't going to be fired, and Boris will just ride it out now until the next big story hits. I thought he should go, but clearly it's one rule for the government and another for ordinary folks. I also saw Fielding in the committee yesterday, and she didn't help the cause by blatant grandstanding

.

I don’t really get the claim that people are suddenly going to stop social distancing because of it, if you were staying away from family members due to them being vulnerable, you were doing that because you cared about their health, and in public you stay away from others because you care about your own, nothings changed in that respect

[bots]

.

I don’t really get the claim that people are suddenly going to stop social distancing because of it, if you were staying away from family members due to them being vulnerable, you were doing that because you cared about their health, and in public you stay away from others because you care about your own, nothings changed in that respect

it will affect things like don't travel by car to work ... don't go to picturesque resorts, isolate if you have symptoms and that could end up bring the virus to communities that wouldn't get it, creating hubs for virus transmission etc.

[Zizu]

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I don’t really get the claim that people are suddenly going to stop social distancing because of it, if you were staying away from family members due to them being vulnerable, you were doing that because you cared about their health, and in public you stay away from others because you care about your own, nothings changed in that respect



There was a police representative on tv a few minutes ago claiming that when the police are challenging people they are saying ‘if it doesn’t apply to Cummings... “


I’d fine them all just for being stupid .


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[Cherie]

There was a police representative on tv a few minutes ago claiming that when the police are challenging people they are saying ‘if it doesn’t apply to Cummings... “


I’d fine them all just for being stupid .


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Probably the same people who never observed a lockdown to begin with, though given people can travel where they want within England now I don’t know why the police would be stopping them ?

[The Slim Reaper]

There was a police representative on tv a few minutes ago claiming that when the police are challenging people they are saying ‘if it doesn’t apply to Cummings... “


I’d fine them all just for being stupid .


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Does Cummings also deserve to be fined for stupidity?

[Cherie]

Does Cummings also deserve to be fined for stupidity?

I don’t think he would miss 100 quid :laugh:

[Cherie]

With regard to the poll I think he should have been to begin with, I think it would be pointless now, the damage is done

[The Slim Reaper]

I don’t think he would miss 100 quid :laugh:

Just because Mr C lights his cigars with £50 notes, don't assume Cummings has that kind of wealth :nono:

[Cherie]

Just because Mr C lights his cigars with £50 notes, don't assume Cummings has that kind of wealth :nono:

:smug:

[Kazanne]

There was a police representative on tv a few minutes ago claiming that when the police are challenging people they are saying ‘if it doesn’t apply to Cummings... “


I’d fine them all just for being stupid .


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Yes ,this will be their get out of jail card now,lol , as long as they can blame someone else its ok.:wavey:

[AnnieK]

Yes ,this will be their get out of jail card now,lol , as long as they can blame someone else its ok.:wavey:

People were always going to use this as justification for lockdown fatigue. Which is why, if he had, at the very least apologised, people wouldn't be using it as an excuse.

[Nicky91]

Yes ,this will be their get out of jail card now, lol , as long as they can blame someone else its ok.:wavey:

more people will break lockdown rules, since it is ok to do so, Tories will soon find out what mess they brought upon themselves lol

since moron loser Cummings did not get sacked

[Kazanne]

People were always going to use this as justification for lockdown fatigue. Which is why, if he had, at the very least apologised, people wouldn't be using it as an excuse.

I do think he should have apologised Annie but people were flouting the rules way before this, I just don't know why people would be led by that,just carry on being sensible and protect yourself and family as much as possible,why would you put yourself and loved ones at risk just to kick back at DC:shrug:

[bots]

The phrase "lead by example" seems to not apply to this government

[Toy Soldier]

I do think he should have apologised Annie but people were flouting the rules way before this, I just don't know why people would be led by that,just carry on being sensible and protect yourself and family as much as possible,why would you put yourself and loved ones at risk just to kick back at DC:shrug:

You can't ignore the fact that there's a huge difference between random people flouting the rules, and the people who made the rules flouting the rules.

If a random person doesn't go along with a set of rules, they're saying "I don't agree with your rules". Which might be dumb, but it's still (at the end of the day) just their thinking.

If one of the people who MADE the rules doesn't go along with the rules, they're saying "I helped make these rules, you have to follow the rules, but I don't."

The implication is that they're bigger/better/more important and the rules that THEY made, don't apply to them - only the "little folks".

I am 100% convinced this was (and still is) Dom Cummings thinking. Not just because of his actions here, but because of pretty much everything I've ever seen him say or write. He thinks of himself as something "greater than", and he thinks of the general public as sheep. Actually more like ants.

People don't like to be thought of as little, or less important... because they aren't. There will definitely be people who think, "if the rules don't apply to Dominic Cummings then they don't apply to me". And honestly, why shouldn't they?

[The Slim Reaper]

Not only that, but people started going OTT with flouting the rules, after "government sources" leaked to the press that lockdown was ending, as a way to gage the mood of the country.

[Zizu]

Police statement in full.

"On March 27 2020, Dominic Cummings drove to Durham to self-isolate in a property owned by his father.

Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father’s premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence contrary to regulation six of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020. (We are concerned here with breaches of the regulations, not the general Government guidance to “stay at home”.)

On April 12 2020, Mr Cummings drove approximately 26 miles from his father’s property to Barnard Castle with his wife and son. He stated on May 25 2020 that the purpose of this drive was to test his resilience to drive to London the following day, including whether his eyesight was sufficiently recovered, his period of self-isolation having ended.

Durham Constabulary have examined the circumstances surrounding the journey to Barnard Castle (including ANPR, witness evidence and a review of Mr Cummings’ press conference on May 25 2020) and have concluded that there might have been a minor breach of the regulations that would have warranted police intervention. Durham Constabulary view this as minor because there was no apparent breach of social distancing.

Had a Durham Constabulary police officer stopped Mr Cummings driving to or from Barnard Castle, the officer would have spoken to him, and, having established the facts, likely advised Mr Cummings to return to the address in Durham, providing advice on the dangers of travelling during the pandemic crisis.

Had this advice been accepted by Mr Cummings, no enforcement action would have been taken.

In line with Durham Constabulary’s general approach throughout the pandemic, there is no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public. Durham Constabulary has not taken retrospective action against any other person.

By way of further context, Durham Constabulary has followed Government guidance on management of alleged breaches of the regulations with the emphasis on the NPCC and College of Policing 4Es: Engage, Explain and Encourage before Enforcement.

Finally, commentary in the media has suggested that Mr Cummings was in Durham on April 19 2020. Mr Cummings denies this and Durham Constabulary have seen insufficient evidence to support this allegation.

Therefore Durham Constabulary will take no further action in this matter and has informed Mr Cummings of this decision." https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/28/uk-coronavirus-live-test-and-trace-gets-under-way-in-england-and-scotland


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[Kizzy]

Hmm reading this it seems a bit of a cop out (lol) there is no mention of the police visit to his father's property. Why did the investigation not include the journey to Durham when he was symptomatic? There is no clarification that he did or didn't stop en route, if he had that would be a clear breach of regulation six of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 wouldn't it?

Basically its suggesting he broke advice not laws, which seeing as he drove to Durham and exposed a member of his household to another family member not in his household, personally..imo...he hid.

[Toy Soldier]

I have no idea where the idea came from that it's only a problem / sacking offense if he broke the letter of the law. He should sacked for going against the guidelines that he was instrumental in creating. The legality of it doesn't matter. IMO the focus on whether or not it's illegal is and always was a red herring.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

I wasn't back on here to vote on this.
I'd have voted a solid yes he should.

Even moreso after his ridiculous account of his reasoning for both the trip to his Family's home, then the, I( mean really), the sight testing trip.

He should have been, still should be sacked.
He'd have a good new career set up writing fiction novels for sure.

He must have something incredible as a political hold possibly on this PM that could damage him.
For this arrogant Cummings to know he needed never to resign or even apologise.
Also to, to be sure this pathetic PM wouldn't ask him to apologise nor dare to sack him either.

I was actually stunned the police accepted the ridiculous story of testing his eyes, yet driving a car with his wife and young child in said car.
It does need looking at again definitely in my view, particularly if there is even the slightest possibility of a second trip being made too.

[Kazanne]

Why is everyone dismissing the fact that this apparently unforgivable ‘crime’comes down to an obviously concerned couple simply doing their level best to protect their 4 yrs old child , whilst actually causing no harm to anyone !

Blimey I’d give them the benefit of the doubt if their explanation was based around them simply being worried that they MAY both get poorly but given we KNOW that that the mother was poorly at the start and the father actually got very , very poorly the whole witch-hunt seems grossly unfair .


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Simply because he is a Tory Zizu

[AnnieK]

Simply because he is a Tory Zizu

Nothing to do with him being a Tory. For me it was simply down to him making the rules to keep families from seeing each other (quite rightly) and then disregarding those rules when it suited him. Many, many families got ill and had to manage their own childcare in their own homes because they were the rules. People may have had more sympathy were it not for the pathetic story about a 30 mile trip to test his eyesight with the child in the car.

[joeysteele]

Nothing to do with him being a Tory. For me it was simply down to him making the rules to keep families from seeing each other (quite rightly) and then disregarding those rules when it suited him. Many, many families got ill and had to manage their own childcare in their own homes because they were the rules. People may have had more sympathy were it not for the pathetic story about a 30 mile trip to test his eyesight with the child in the car.

Exactly.

Nothing to do with it being a Con advisor for me either.
Although those making those points would, had it been a Labour connection would have been hammering them.

Rightly too,as I was as furious with Stephen Kinnock, Labour MP, going to his parents home too.
When he did so.
Driving hundreds of miles too.
He was totally wrong 100% too in my view.


This guy took his wife who had symptoms, rather than isolate where they were.
Into the space of a car, with their child, then drive hundreds of miles.

Really, there was NOWHERE in the whole of the massive city of London, they could have gone to.
Pure fantasy and nonsense.
It was the Easter period, they were heading off for that.

However had his wife got worse, or his car broke down, then anyone called out to the car, or they'd needed emergency services,they would have been exposed to the virus if his wife had it.

Then he said he took ill when at his parents, you can be contagious with this up to 3 days, before the symptoms even appear, so he was likely infected at the time he was driving too.

The eyesight story, is ridiculous.
WHO in their right mind, even just as to the safety of others, thinks they have sight affected, then gets into a car, putting their wife and child in with them..to do a 60 mile round trip driving.

If he thought he had sight problems, he should NEVER have got behind the wheel of a car, his wife should have insisted he didn't, and since the child was supposedly taken to his parents to be looked after there by them.
With his wife supposedly having the virus.
What on earth is that child then doing being put into a car on a sight testing, not sightseeing, trip.

Ridiculous, I mean really he must think the public are total idiots!!

It isn't and shouldn't be a Tory or political issue..the criticism of him should be the same that should be fired at anyone,coming up with such a ridiculous account of events as he did.

However only the possibly more unfair thinking would defend him on this.
Something they're likely doing only because he's a Con adviser.

It's a rubbish story, it's a pity it didn't ever get to a Court.
It would have been in a bad way a hilariously stupid account.

You are right however, he helped construct the rules for everyone else to follow.
It's unbelievable anyone, politically minded or not, could do anything else other than condemn him for breaking these rules.
There is no defence for him breaking any part of the rules he helped set up.
None, full stop.
He should have been sacked, if he wouldn't resign but this inept hopeless PM dare not sack him it seems.
Now that's a good question to ask, WHY dare he not?

It was actually even more staggering the PM would make sure he was defended in fact.
That's a very bad representation of this PMs judgement.
After all he's the PMs advisor on just about all things politically, so his involvement in the construction of rules would be significant.

[Liam-]

Simply because he is a Tory Zizu

False

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nothing to do with him being a Tory. For me it was simply down to him making the rules to keep families from seeing each other (quite rightly) and then disregarding those rules when it suited him. Many, many families got ill and had to manage their own childcare in their own homes because they were the rules. People may have had more sympathy were it not for the pathetic story about a 30 mile trip to test his eyesight with the child in the car.

did he "make" any rules?

[Dogeatdog]

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He looks a lot like Moby on the Daily Mirror front page :laugh: