It's time for the UK government to speak about Blacklivesmatter

[Denver]

They need to stop licking Trumps ass and condemn him for his behaviours as well as supporting the cause

[Kizzy]

If that happens I'll dance a jig in the nip, we are inextricably linked to trump and the new world order.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We have our own country to run and leave others to run theirs.

Ridiculous

[Denver]

We have our own country to run and leave others to run theirs.

Ridiculous

Yes because abuse towards black people only happens in the US

[The Slim Reaper]

You're mental. You supported the xenophobic brexit to make money for Boris, his russians, and his billionaires, and now you expect them to speak out against the country that's willing to give us a terrible trade deal and have access to our NHS?

Elections and votes have consequences, Adam. Welcome to the party.

[Denver]

You're mental. You supported the xenophobic brexit to make money for Boris, his russians, and his billionaires, and now you expect them to speak out against the country that's willing to give us a terrible trade deal and have access to our NHS?

Elections and votes have consequences. Adam. Welcome to the arty.
Brexit wasnt about Race for me

[arista]

Labour mentioned it today
talking to Hancock MP

[The Slim Reaper]

Brexit wasnt about Race for me

And welcome to the real world of those results. We're beholden to the US now and rendered unable to criticise them, because we're screwed.

[The Slim Reaper]

Brexit wasnt about Race for me

Taking back control? Controlling our borders? Not wanting them europeans making our laws? Spot the subtlety flowing through those empty slogans.

[Denver]

Taking back control? Controlling our borders? Not wanting them europeans making our laws? Spot the subtlety flowing through those empty slogans.

It's about following our own rules and not the rules of people who line their pockets with the money

[The Slim Reaper]

It's about following our own rules and not the rules of people who line their pockets with the money

Taking back control then? Making our own laws then? Not trusting "the other" then? The EU was taking our money?

Where did you get the impression that we didn't have all the powers we needed before Brexit?

Come on, have a think...

[Amy Jade]

Brexit wasnt about Race for me

I understand you and I am not having a go when I say this but people who voted for Brexit have made us Trump's bitch. If he turned on us we would be absolutely screwed.

We have very little maneuverability since coming put of the EU sadly.

[armand.kay]

why would they speak out against trump when they probably agree with his actions

[Toy Soldier]

It's about following our own rules and not the rules of people who line their pockets with the money

By forcibly uncoupling ourselves from the EU we're left with no choice but to maintain a (very) friendly relationship with the US, and currently, because he is a totalitarian nightmare, that menas not upsetting Trump for any reason. If you voted for Brexit, whether you realised it or not, that IS what you voted for. We don't get to abandon unilateral free trade with the EU and then also stand up to the POTUS. If you ever thought we could, just to be completely blunt, you did not fully understand what you were voting for. Britain is a small land mass with a large population. We are not self-sufficient.

[Tom4784]

It'll never happen, Brexit has made us to dependant on the US. Brexiters deluded themselves into thinking that we'd get 'Independence' but all we've really done is basically put ourselves at the US' mercy.

We've escaped the 'evil EU' to become the 51st state.

[RileyH]

We have our own country to run and leave others to run theirs.

Ridiculous

The UK is no better than the US. Racism and police brutality exist here, and in every country.

[Brother Leon]

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The PM we needed, but didn’t deserve.

[Denver]

1267758113693859840


The PM we needed, but didn’t deserve.

I still dont think he was the right man, Now if labour elected Lisa Nandy that would have been great

[Cherie]

1267758113693859840


The PM we needed, but didn’t deserve.

Has there been condemnation from any European leaders yet?

UK Government is currently dealing with the situation in Hong Kong, maybe another country could step up for now?

[Denver]

Has there been condemnation from any European leaders yet?

UK Government is currently dealing with the situation in Hong Kong, maybe another country could step up for now?

I dont think any Europeans have but I know China anf Iran did but that shouldn't shock you

[Cherie]

I dont think any Europeans have but I know China anf Iran did but that shouldn't shock you

Weren’t they trolling :laugh:

[Denver]

Weren’t they trolling :laugh:

Tbh I dont think they were, they want Trump out and will do anything to do so even if it means saying things they themselves dont believe in

[Redway]

We have our own country to run and leave others to run theirs.

Ridiculous

You think racism isn’t a serious problem in the UK?

[Oliver_W]

You think racism isn’t a serious problem in the UK?

The UK should address any racism that is the UK, not spend the bandwidth talking about other continents.

[Toy Soldier]

The UK should address any racism that is the UK, not spend the bandwidth talking about other continents.

I agree to an extent, global governments could express their support by committing (and seriously, not lipservice) to tackling racism "at home", but let's face it... they're not going to. We had our own riots less than 10 years ago for identical reasons; the issue was dismissed as "greedy thugs and animals".

[Redway]

The UK should address any racism that is the UK, not spend the bandwidth talking about other continents.

What makes you think you have the right to tell black people how to react, hm?

[Toy Soldier]

What makes you think you have the right to tell black people how to react, hm?

To be fair to ol' Oliver there, he's talking about his opinion on what the UK government should be doing, not what any individual should be doing.

Though personally while I think it's true that the government of any country's MAIN focus should be on tackling the issue at home, I'd have much more respect for a Prime Minister who would at least vocalise some sympathy for the **** going on in the US. Total silence is really just tacit support for the US government's handling of the issue.

[Gstar]

The UK should address any racism that is the UK, not spend the bandwidth talking about other continents.

Racist murderers aka American police affects POC in the UK just as much as America, just because it’s in a different country it doesn’t mean that we don’t feel the hurt and anger. It’s been an ongoing issue for many years and the world has just about had enough

[Kizzy]

Has there been condemnation from any European leaders yet?

UK Government is currently dealing with the situation in Hong Kong, maybe another country could step up for now?

Are any other European leaders crawling up trumps rear for trade deals?... no.
All countries have their own issues, your strawman argument is irrelevant.

We've always had a 'special relationship' with the US, that usually means whoever America wants to bomb we'll create such a false narrative about it in the media the public practically beg the government to help blow whoever and wherever to Kingdom come.

We'll be with them on this too.

[Cherie]

Are any other European leaders crawling up trumps rear for trade deals?... no.
All countries have their own issues, your strawman argument is irrelevant.

We've always had a 'special relationship' with the US, that usually means whoever America wants to bomb we'll create such a false narrative about it in the media the public practically beg the government to help blow whoever and wherever to Kingdom come.

We'll be with them on this too.

The EU have no interest in trading with the USA, is that what you are saying.?

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership ( TTIP) is a proposed trade agreement between the European Union and the United States, with the aim of promoting trade and multilateral economic growth. Aug 26 2019

[Crimson Dynamo]

Racist murderers aka American police affects POC in the UK just as much as America, just because it’s in a different country it doesn’t mean that we don’t feel the hurt and anger. It’s been an ongoing issue for many years and the world has just about had enough

It barely registers with the world

It's an issue for the USA only

[Oliver_W]

Racist murderers aka American police affects POC in the UK just as much as America, just because it’s in a different country it doesn’t mean that we don’t feel the hurt and anger. It’s been an ongoing issue for many years and the world has just about had enough

Why does it affect you? There's a whole planet out there were people murder each other. I don't get personally offended by white farmers being murdered in South Africa, because it's a different country.

[Niamh.]

Has there been condemnation from any European leaders yet?



UK Government is currently dealing with the situation in Hong Kong, maybe another country could step up for now?Leo commented on it

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[Samm]

This thread is full of ignorant white people telling black people how they should react smh.

You guys are part of the problem.

[Cherie]

Leo commented on it

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Did he denounce Trump? it was commented on at yesterdays briefing as well if anyone is interested, they didn't denounce a foreign leader though any more than they have denounced China's leader during the pandemic

[Cherie]

This thread is full of ignorant white people telling black people how they should react smh.

You guys are part of the problem.

I haven't told anyone black or white how they should react, you are very fond of telling people how they should react though

[Niamh.]

Did he denounce Trump? it was commented on at yesterdays briefing as well if anyone is interestedI posted what his tweet so you could read what he said :shrug:

[Cherie]

I posted what his tweet so you could read what he said :shrug:

I cant see a tweet :suspect:

[The Slim Reaper]

Leo commented on it

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Having to clean up your mistakes again :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

This thread is full of ignorant white people telling black people how they should react smh.

You guys are part of the problem.

perhaps you should make threads "black responses only please" and then white people could know not to post an opinion?:shrug:

not sure how you would know the "colour" of a poster however

[Cherie]

Having to clean up your mistakes again :fist:

Thank you, not too much different from what Matt Hancock said at the briefing yesterday :laugh:

Lets see what Bojo has to say at PMQs today

[Denver]

It barely registers with the world

It's an issue for the USA only

That's why millions of people in dozens of countries have been protesting

[Niamh.]

Having to clean up your mistakes again :fist:Thanks, I'm using my phone [emoji39] although I can see it in my screen

[Oliver_W]

That's why millions of people in dozens of countries have been protesting

If people choose to get riled up about things happening elsewhere in the world that's up to them.

[bots]

Trump is a symptom of the problem in the USA, not the cause. Trump blusters all the time, that's who he is. You won't hear any allies directly criticize him as it serves zero purpose. Let's not forget that there was a black president in charge of the USA for 8 years where nothing changed, he had a vice president during that time named Biden who also did nothing. This isn't about 1 man, the police force or any other hate figure. It's an endemic problem that will take generations to resolve, so while the protesters are doing a good job of bringing attention to the problems, don't expect anything to change for a long, long, long time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The UK is no better than the US. Racism and police brutality exist here, and in every country.

I am afraid that is simple untrue and i cant even see where you would get such an idea from (have you even been to Scotland, wales or NI for example?)

[Samm]

I am afraid that is simple untrue and i cant even see where you would get such an idea from (have you even been to Scotland, wales or NI for example?)

You are white, of course you don’t know about racism, because you don’t receive it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump is a symptom of the problem in the USA, not the cause. Trump blusters all the time, that's who he is. You won't hear any allies directly criticize him as it serves zero purpose. Let's not forget that there was a black president in charge of the USA for 8 years where nothing changed, he had a vice president during that time named Biden who also did nothing. This isn't about 1 man, the police force or any other hate figure. It's an endemic problem that will take generations to resolve, so while the protesters are doing a good job of bringing attention to the problems, don't expect anything to change for a long, long, long time.

But there has been so much change tho bots, do you think that they could have had a black president in the 80s or 90s?

The problem is the people who are protesting have not been alive long enough to see the huge strides that have been made

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are white, of course you don’t know about racism, because you don’t receive it.

do you think that say gypsies dont receive racism?

[Niamh.]

do you think that say gypsies dont receive racism?You're not a gypsy though LT, as far as I'm aware

[Oliver_W]

You are white, of course you don’t know about racism, because you don’t receive it.

I've been called a "white bastard" before.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've been called a "white bastard" before.

i was called white trash this very site:shocked:

(this week so far i have been called a racist pig, a goblin(?) racist, troll, defender of murderers) and that is just the ones i can remember.


when people think they are so right and are in a majority they can be very cruel

[Cherie]

i was called white trash this very site:shocked:

(this week so far i have been called a racist pig, a goblin(?) racist, troll, defender of murderers) and that is just the ones i can remember.


when people think they are so right and are in a majority they can be very cruel

a goblin....:joker:

well the truth must be told

[Cherie]

with regard to the gypsy thing, one of the most vocal on the BLM cause on here was horrific on a thread, think its the one where the policeman was killed?

I will need to go and find it

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=360452&highlight=policeman+killed

[The Slim Reaper]

LT liking "dags" is new forum information. :smug:

[Samm]

I've been called a "white bastard" before.

That’s not racist, you may have been racially insulted but there’s a big difference. Because white people are not the minority. Racism is built on a hierarchy structure being called a “white bastard” hasn’t stopped you and won’t stop you from getting a job, being granted certain education, getting a promotion and generally being treated an an equal in society. White people can’t receive racism, because white people have been seen historically as the default race. I’m not even going to go into the amount of slave history, segregation and the incarceration of black people that makes it a even more valid standpoint that white people don’t experience racism. So please be educated on these issues.

[The Slim Reaper]

with regard to the gypsy thing, one of the most vocal on the BLM cause on here was horrific on a thread, think its the one where the policeman was killed?

I will need to go and find it

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=360452&highlight=policeman+killed

To be fair to Adam, I've seen a lot of folks speak horrendously about romanies on this forum, including those who absolutely should know better. I also think it's positive Adams old opinions on Brexit/romanies etc, are crashing into the realities of the day.

Nothing wrong with changinging your mind, when the alternative is remaining small minded and insular.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That’s not racist, you may have been racially insulted but there’s a big difference. Because white people are not the minority. Racism is built on a hierarchy structure being called a “white bastard” hasn’t stopped you and won’t stop you from getting a job, being granted certain education, getting a promotion and generally being treated an an equal in society. White people can’t receive racism, because white people have been seen historically as the default race. I’m not even going to go into the amount of slave history, segregation and the incarceration of black people that makes it a even more valid standpoint that white people don’t experience racism. So please be educated on these issues.

he never said it was racist

he just said he was called a white bastard

only you said that

why?

[Oliver_W]

That’s not racist, you may have been racially insulted but there’s a big difference. Because white people are not the minority. Racism is built on a hierarchy structure
No it's not. Racism is dislike of others based on race. The "power+prejudice" thing is just an academic construct, it's not the working definition in the real world.

[Toy Soldier]

That’s not racist, you may have been racially insulted but there’s a big difference. Because white people are not the minority. Racism is built on a hierarchy structure being called a “white bastard” hasn’t stopped you and won’t stop you from getting a job, being granted certain education, getting a promotion and generally being treated an an equal in society. White people can’t receive racism, because white people have been seen historically as the default race. I’m not even going to go into the amount of slave history, segregation and the incarceration of black people that makes it a even more valid standpoint that white people don’t experience racism. So please be educated on these issues.Honestly I hate to be pedantic at a time like this but this comes up constantly in these situations. You're talking about institutional racism. White people cannot experience institutional racism in the west (and tend not to anywhere). I think its important that everyone fully understands and accepts that, AND understands that institutional racism is the problem that plagues the US and has lead to this civil unrest.

But :umm2:... Institutional racism and individual racism are not the same things, and it is possible for any race to experience casual racism. The difference of course, as you say, is that individual racism against white people is limited in scope and in most cases reactionary.

[Cherie]

To be fair to Adam, I've seen a lot of folks speak horrendously about romanies on this forum, including those who absolutely should know better. I also think it's positive Adams old opinions on Brexit/romanies etc, are crashing into the realities of the day.

Nothing wrong with changinging your mind, when the alternative is remaining small minded and insular.

I doubt he has changed his views on Irish travellers though, although I will welcome it if he has :D:

To my mind if you are anti racism, it should be in all forms, not just your own community

and before anyone starts I have a lot of time for Adam despite some of his views and always have had :love:

[Gstar]

Why does it affect you? There's a whole planet out there were people murder each other. I don't get personally offended by white farmers being murdered in South Africa, because it's a different country.

What kind of a question is this? It’s racist police murdering my people...

And if you really want to get technical I have plenty of family in America and fear for them every time this happens, one of the many reasons why it affects me

[Oliver_W]

What kind of a question is this? It’s racist police murdering my people...

And if you really want to get technical I have plenty of family in America and fear for them every time this happens, one of the many reasons why it affects me

Okay I didn't realise you had family in the USA, but to say all black people are "your people" is a bit weird, I don't feel that way about Scots or Brits in general :shrug:

[Gstar]

Okay I didn't realise you had family in the USA, but to say all black people are "your people" is a bit weird, I don't feel that way about Scots or Brits in general :shrug:

They’re my people because we share/shared similar struggles around the world.

[Denver]

with regard to the gypsy thing, one of the most vocal on the BLM cause on here was horrific on a thread, think its the one where the policeman was killed?

I will need to go and find it

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=360452&highlight=policeman+killed

Yea its 2 totally different scenarios, grow up

[Cherie]

Yea its 2 totally different scenarios, grow up

You were outrageously racist on that thread....looks like you pick and choose when it comes to racism :idc: not a good look

[Denver]

An your outrageous with your attempts to claim all lives matter

[Kizzy]

The EU have no interest in trading with the USA, is that what you are saying.?

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership ( TTIP) is a proposed trade agreement between the European Union and the United States, with the aim of promoting trade and multilateral economic growth. Aug 26 2019

As far as I can see TTIP stalled and was halted by trump last year.

[Oliver_W]

An your outrageous with your attempts to claim all lives matter

Whose lives don't matter?

[Denver]

Whose lives don't matter?

How can all lives matter if black lives dont matter?

[Oliver_W]

How can all lives matter if black lives dont matter?

Who has said they don't matter?

[Cherie]

As far as I can see TTIP stalled and was halted by trump last year.

That doesn't mean it wont be reignited now does it?

[Denver]

Who has said they don't matter?

The white race

[thesheriff443]

Some people’s views on racism is like saying I’m a vegetarian because I don’t eat meat on wensday’s.

[Oliver_W]

The white race

No? Plenty of people say and know that black lives are important.

[Oliver_W]

I support the sentiment that black lives are important and do matter, but not the movement :shrug: same as I'm against fascism, but don't support Antifa.

[Denver]

I support the sentiment that black lives are important and do matter, but not the movement :shrug: same as I'm against fascism, but don't support Antifa.

With no movement comes no change, the black race had to take to the streets in force to get rights which they did now they are on the streets to get racism in the police and general life stamped out

[Kizzy]

That doesn't mean it wont be reignited now does it?

That's not the point, you stated the EU are also negotiating deals, they are not atm...we are.

[Cherie]

That's not the point, you stated the EU are also negotiating deals, they are not atm...we are.

You don’t know whether they are or not do you?

Strange Macron or Angela haven’t spoken out isn’t it...

Boris has done now at the briefing

[bots]

the EU/USA trade deal will be restarted the moment Trump is out of power

Also, let's not forget that the world is now a very different place to what it was at the beginning of the year, countries will grab at any trade deals they can get

[bots]

the EU/USA trade deal will be restarted the moment Trump is out of power

Also, let's not forget that the world is now a very different place to what it was at the beginning of the year, countries will grab at any trade deals they can get

[The Slim Reaper]

The EU are a trade bloc, which means they can expect to receive better terms than individual countries reliant on the US.

We're in the process of leaving our biggest trade opportunity, to chase a deal with the US that doesn't come close to replacing our losses and which will result in lower food standards and us exiting the human rights act etc. These aren't for our benefit.

[Cherie]

the EU/USA trade deal will be restarted the moment Trump is out of power

Also, let's not forget that the world is now a very different place to what it was at the beginning of the year, countries will grab at any trade deals they can get

Of course, the EU aren’t going to roll over and let the UK do a trade deal on its own if they can help it and who can blame them

[Cherie]

The EU are a trade bloc, which means they can expect to receive better terms than individual countries reliant on the US.

We're in the process of leaving our biggest trade opportunity, to chase a deal with the US that doesn't come close to replacing our losses and which will result in lower food standards and us exiting the human rights act etc. These aren't for our benefit.

It is what it is now... not a lot us remoaners can do but suck it up

[The Slim Reaper]

It is what it is now... not a lot us remoaners can do but suck it up

I'll be pointing **** out every day until we're back in Europe eventually, and our citizens are back to having the same rights and freedom to travel and work as our neighbours.

[bots]

I'll be pointing **** out every day until we're back in Europe eventually, and our citizens are back to having the same rights and freedom to travel and work as our neighbours.

i can't predict what the situation with regard to europe will be next month let alone in 5 or 10 years time.

Economic realities from covid have yet to hit home, but they will, and the landscape for trade and freedom of movement etc will be completely re-written. If there is no vaccine and we have a winter of hell across the world anything could happen

[Cherie]

I'll be pointing **** out every day until we're back in Europe eventually, and our citizens are back to having the same rights and freedom to travel and work as our neighbours.

Irish passport :fan:

[The Slim Reaper]

i can't predict what the situation with regard to europe will be next month let alone in 5 or 10 years time.

Economic realities from covid have yet to hit home, but they will, and the landscape for trade and freedom of movement etc will be completely re-written. If there is no vaccine and we have a winter of hell across the world anything could happen

It's in this backdrop that cummings and Johnson are trying to force a no deal. We have 24 days to get an extension they say they don't want, and yet Boris hasn't stuck to his end of the bargain at all, which means a deal is pretty impossible.

[Kizzy]

You don’t know whether they are or not do you?

Strange Macron or Angela haven’t spoken out isn’t it...

Boris has done now at the briefing

As I said it appears they are not, not sure why it's more weird that the leaders of France and Germany haven't commented than the UK.
I think the term is 'whataboutism'.

[Cherie]

As I said it appears they are not, not sure why it's more weird that the leaders of France and Germany haven't commented than the UK.
I think the term is 'whataboutism'.

Whataboutism...what an over used phrase and not relevant at all in this situation, the more voices speaking out the better surely :umm2:

[Toy Soldier]

I'll be pointing **** out every day until we're back in Europe eventually, and our citizens are back to having the same rights and freedom to travel and work as our neighbours.To be honest I sadly agree with bots regarding movement; freedom of movement (globally) is not going "back to normal" for a long time post-Covid. Possibly not in our lifetimes. I fear that the days of fairly open global travel for work or any other reason are over for now. There are going to be some big, tough decisions to be made regarding open borders in the EU.

Trade is another matter of course and its just utter madness for the UK not to be seeking as good a deal as possible with the EU on that front. We have a huge market on our doorstep and we're seeking trade deals that will involve less trade... And involve thousands of miles of transport... And probably come with all sorts of ultimatums. Like if it was a strategy video game we'd all be saying "no lol that's dumb".

[Kizzy]

It's gone back to normal already hasn't it...We have our charter planes full of farm workers and other agency workers on order don't we?

Why do we need free movement when we can have people sent to work here bypassing our rights and protections for employees and ship them back when we don't need them anymore.

It's a bit like Windrush but without the paper promises.

[Kizzy]

Whataboutism...what an over used phrase and not relevant at all in this situation, the more voices speaking out the better surely :umm2:

If you are talking about relevance then our government is relevant to us, I'm sure the citizens of France and Germany will be looking to their leaders too in this situation.

But our focus naturally should be on what the view from the UK is not the rest of the EU, seeing as we are autonomous now.

Whataboutism isn't nearly as overused as :umm2:

[Cherie]

If you are talking about relevance then our government is relevant to us, I'm sure the citizens of France and Germany will be looking to their leaders too in this situation.

But our focus naturally should be on what the view from the UK is not the rest of the EU, seeing as we are autonomous now.

Whataboutism isn't nearly as overused as :umm2:

Well you can do what you like, as an EU passport holder with a property in Spain I am still very invested in the EU :hee:

[Samm]

Starmer has written a letter to the PM about the situation, I can’t wait until this man takes charge.

[armand.kay]

Okay I didn't realise you had family in the USA, but to say all black people are "your people" is a bit weird, I don't feel that way about Scots or Brits in general :shrug:
no it’s not weird at all.

[Swan]

What we really need to do is address the very real problem of black on black crime in the UK, that's where our government (and those before them) have failed spectacularly. Young black males especially have been completely failed in this country. What happened, and seems to continue to happen in the US is a travesty, but we need to get our home in order first before we start meddling in other countries business. We could do so much more in the UK to help our 'own'.

[Oliver_W]

What we really need to do is address the very real problem of black on black crime in the UK, that's where our government (and those before them) have failed spectacularly. Young black males especially have been completely failed in this country. What happened, and seems to continue to happen in the US is a travesty, but we need to get our home in order first before we start meddling in other countries business. We could do so much more in the UK to help our 'own'.

Yeah BLM and their ilk should focus on encouraging black kids to finish school, and black dads to stick around. That'd do their communities wonders.

[Liam-]

Yeah BLM and their ilk should focus on encouraging black kids to finish school, and black dads to stick around. That'd do their communities wonders.

:umm2:

[Kazanne]

Starmer has written a letter to the PM about the situation, I can’t wait until this man takes charge.

I wonder if he will be condemning the Labour MP who broke the distancing rules at the BLM protest yesterday , you know the Labour MP who was so vocal about DC ? I bet he wont :laugh:

[Cherie]

Yeah BLM and their ilk should focus on encouraging black kids to finish school, and black dads to stick around. That'd do their communities wonders.

Is there evidence to say this happens any more than with working class white kids :shrug:

[Oliver_W]

:umm2:

Is there evidence to say this happens any more than with working class white kids :shrug:

Referring only to the USA, where the racial problems really arm.

Their dropout rates are obviously relatively high because the systems are failing them, and schools in their neighbourhoods should be improved. Proper investment should be given to those communities, obviously.

https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/3265/why-are-hispanic-and-african-american-dropout-rates-so-high

[The Slim Reaper]

What we really need to do is address the very real problem of black on black crime in the UK, that's where our government (and those before them) have failed spectacularly. Young black males especially have been completely failed in this country. What happened, and seems to continue to happen in the US is a travesty, but we need to get our home in order first before we start meddling in other countries business. We could do so much more in the UK to help our 'own'.

Not sure what this actually means. The idea of black on black violence stems from racial superiority, empire, and fear. To label any crime as a race is an extremely slippery slope.

Without repeating myself continuously on this matter, there is more of a correlation between being expelled from school and ending up in prison. What about mixed race? Who do they come under, and is a black person twice as likely as someone who is half white to commit violence on another black person?

It's all socioeconomic. There were gangs of white people committing the same violence on other white gangs for centuries.

[Oliver_W]

Not sure what this actually means. The idea of black on black violence stems from racial superiority, empire, and fear.
What do you mean by empire?

[The Slim Reaper]

What do you mean by empire?

A hangover from our former empire and our dismissal of colonies, it's peoples, and their inferiorities. I'm not saying we all still think the way our ancestors did, but it's a hangover.

[Kizzy]

Well you can do what you like, as an EU passport holder with a property in Spain I am still very invested in the EU :hee:

Yes you may be but that shouldn't mean others can't question the response from the UK govt over other governments in Europe.