Scotland Yard identify new suspect in Madeline McCann disappearance

[Denver]

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[Jigs]

The only thing that will make 2020 even crazier will be Maddie's return

[Liam-]

When will they just start looking at the people who very clearly had something to do with it

[The Slim Reaper]

Sure, why not?

[Denver]

When will they just start looking at the people who very clearly had something to do with it

Tbh this is a strong link, his phone records put him in the area at the time and he re-register his car the next day although I still feel her parents did it or at least know who did

[Oliver_W]

Best case scenario is she was sold to a childless couple and raised as theirs. She won't even remember her biological parents at this point, and why would she want to be reunited with the people who left her unattended while they were at the pub?

[Denver]

Best case scenario is she was sold to a childless couple and raised as theirs. She won't even remember her biological parents at this point, and why would she want to be reunited with the people who left her unattended while they were at the pub?

If she is alive they should let the twins go live with her away from the monsters

[rusticgal]

I would love it if she was to be found alive...

[LukeB]

If she is alive they should let the twins go live with her away from the monsters

I just said to someone people on benefits will get their kids taken away if they left their child on their own and higher class parents only get a slap on the wrist.

[LaLaLand]

When will they just start looking at the people who very clearly had something to do with it

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[Zizu]

The only thing that will make 2020 even crazier will be Maddie's return



That would be such a beautiful thing to happen ...


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[Marsh.]

Lock the parents up and spend the time and money looking for the kids that weren't abandoned.

[caprimint]

Would be amazing if she was found :fc:

[hijaxers]

Tbh this is a strong link, his phone records put him in the area at the time and he re-register his car the next day although I still feel her parents did it or at least know who did

Well i don't ! and never have.

[MTVN]

Best case scenario is she was sold to a childless couple and raised as theirs. She won't even remember her biological parents at this point, and why would she want to be reunited with the people who left her unattended while they were at the pub?

Because the people who abducted/bought her in this situation would be guilty of a significantly worse crime

[AnnieK]

I hope there is some closure to this, although I still think those children should never have been left alone and had they not been this awful situation may never have happened

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope there is some closure to this, although I still think those children should never have been left alone and had they not been this awful situation may never have happened

Children can and are snatched daily from gardens shops, by their parents side, in their homes etc If a paedo wants to snatch a kid he does it. Let's not pretend otherwise.


Great news tho

[Shaun]

It'd be absolutely mental if it turned out she was actually taken and the parents have just taken the blame from mob mentality (I mean they are still to blame for neglecting her but still)

[AnnieK]

Children can and are snatched daily from gardens shops, by their parents side, in their homes etc If a paedo wants to snatch a kid he does it. Let's not pretend otherwise.


Great news tho

That is why I said it may never had happened.

As a parent you should never put yourself in a situation where you're children are alone and vulnerable whilst you are out on the piss. I personally could not live with the guilt that my actions may have put my child in danger.

You are right in saying the scenarios listed above could happen and that is awful....leaving your children alone is negligent. Had they have been properly supervised, there may not have been the opportunity to snatch Maddie.

I do hope there is a conclusion on this case, there has been too much money spent on one child when millions of others who don't have wealthy parents have been forgotten.

[Zizu]

This new suspect is a multiple convicted child sex offender , known to take children from apartments.. lived in a mobile camper in the area .. plus his mobile was used in the town an hour before she disappeared ..

It all looks very convincing ... oh and he’s in jail currently for child sex offences


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[Denver]

This new suspect is a multiple convicted child sex offender , known to take children from apartments.. lived in a mobile camper in the area .. plus his mobile was used in the town an hour before she disappeared ..

It all looks very convincing ... oh and he’s in jail currently for child sex offences


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From what I read he isnt in prison for sex offences

[Josy]

This new suspect is a multiple convicted child sex offender , known to take children from apartments.. lived in a mobile camper in the area .. plus his mobile was used in the town an hour before she disappeared ..

It all looks very convincing ... oh and he’s in jail currently for child sex offences


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProAnd after all the years and copious amounts of money they are only finding out or chasing this lead up now?

What kind of time wasting idiots have been investigating over the years...

[AnnieK]

And after all the years and copious amounts of money they are only finding out or chasing this lead up now?

What kind of time wasting idiots have been investigating over the years...

Exactly...when countless other children have vanished and been forgotten. Money = power even when missing children are involved

[Zizu]

From what I read he isnt in prison for sex offences


Well that’s a minor point to be fair ..
I guess the various media outlets will all have their own take on things ..

Like the number who may come from
Hong King ... 300,000 or 400,000 and 3 million all three different sources


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[thesheriff443]

The guy in question was a suspect back in 2013

[AnnieK]

The guy in question was a suspect back in 2013

7 years later is ridiculous isn't it?

[thesheriff443]

I guess the various media outlets will all have their own take on things ..

Like the number who may come from
Hong King ... 300,000 or 400,000 and 3 million all three different sources


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He is not in jail in Germany for sex crimes.

[Zizu]

He is not in jail in Germany for sex crimes.



As I said that’s a minor point in the grand scheme of things .. it wouldn’t matter if he was free as a bird ..


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[thesheriff443]

7 years later is ridiculous isn't it?

I think they have had a breakthrough with his phone history.

[rusticgal]

I don’t think the parents were involved at all....they are guilty of leaving their children alone...along with the other couples who also abandoned their children that night. Madeline sadly paid the price and I’m sure the Parents are haunted by that every single day of their lives...a life sentence for them...don’t get me wrong I have little sympathy.
Poor Madeline...I hope we get answers now although I don’t hold my breath.

[Zizu]

I don’t think the parents were involved at all....they are guilty of leaving their children alone...along with the other couples who also abandoned their children that night. Madeline sadly paid the price and I’m sure the Parents are haunted by that every single day of their lives...a life sentence for them...don’t get me wrong I have little sympathy.

Poor Madeline...I hope we get answers now although I don’t hold my breath.



Yes that’s my take on things exactly..


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[Marsh.]

Children can and are snatched daily from gardens shops, by their parents side, in their homes etc If a paedo wants to snatch a kid he does it. Let's not pretend otherwise.

Yeah, which makes the decision to leave children alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country an even DUMBER decision than usual.

You're trying to defend them but making them sound worse.

[AnnieK]

Children can and are snatched daily from gardens shops, by their parents side, in their homes etc If a paedo wants to snatch a kid he does it. Let's not pretend otherwise.


Great news tho

Just re read this. Who is it "great" news for? I know you have a strange love for Kate but is it great news for her that her child is dead? Odd choice of words

[Zizu]

Just re read this. Who is it "great" news for? I know you have a strange love for Kate but is it great news for her that her child is dead? Odd choice of words



Do we know that she's dead ?

Maybe he sold her to someone and she's still alive


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[Zizu]

He is not in jail in Germany for sex crimes.



LBC reporting that he's serving a time for 'unrelated' sex offences ....


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[Babayaro.]

Just re read this. Who is it "great" news for? I know you have a strange love for Kate but is it great news for her that her child is dead? Odd choice of words

I suspect LT means it's great news that a prime suspect is now being looked at and that the police are one step closer to finding out what happened/who took her?

[Cherie]

I suspect LT means it's great news that a prime suspect is now being looked at and that the police are one step closer to finding out what happened/who took her?

Great news if they are absolved of murdering her, they have to live with leaving her...but having to fight against claims they murdered her must be horrendous

[AnnieK]

I hope they get some closure....I read the McCanns won't believe she is dead until they have proof, not a conviction although after 13 years I'm not sure what proof there would be. :sad:

The forgotten victims in this are the twins too, they probably have not had an ideal childhood with all the media scrutiny on their parents.

[Cherie]

I hope they get some closure....I read the McCanns won't believe she is dead until they have proof, not a conviction although after 13 years I'm not sure what proof there would be. :sad:

The forgotten victims in this are the twins too, they probably have not had an ideal childhood with all the media scrutiny on their parents.



Yep

[Samm]

Very strange this news of a missing child after thirteen years seems to pop up now of all times :think:

[arista]

Very strange this news of a missing child after thirteen years seems to pop up now of all times :think:


Yes sadly No New Evidence
just a theory

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope they get some closure....I read the McCanns won't believe she is dead until they have proof, not a conviction although after 13 years I'm not sure what proof there would be. :sad:

The forgotten victims in this are the twins too, they probably have not had an ideal childhood with all the media scrutiny on their parents.

The McCann's to are loving, caring parents I am sure the twins are just fine

[Denver]

Loving caring parents dont leave very young children in a unlocked apartment to go drinking with their pals

[Zizu]

Great news if they are absolved of murdering her, they have to live with leaving her...but having to fight against claims they murdered her must be horrendous



Very true


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[Zizu]

I hope they get some closure....I read the McCanns won't believe she is dead until they have proof, not a conviction although after 13 years I'm not sure what proof there would be. :sad:

The forgotten victims in this are the twins too, they probably have not had an ideal childhood with all the media scrutiny on their parents.



Agreed


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[Zizu]

Yes sadly No New Evidence

just a theory



Although something must have appeared to spark this new interest .. Sky saying a video he toook of himself raping a woman has surfaced


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[Zizu]

Loving caring parents dont leave very young children in a unlocked apartment to go drinking with their pals



Do we really know ALL the details though ?

I recall seeing many , many differing accounts of her disappearance 13 years ago

The media make up half the stuff they tell us don’t they ?




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[Zizu]

It’s interesting that he changed his vehicle number plate the morning after she went missing ...


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[user104658]

Very strange this news of a missing child after thirteen years seems to pop up now of all times :think:Oh yes a complete mystery. :idc:

[Niamh.]

Do we really know ALL the details though ?

I recall seeing many , many differing accounts of her disappearance 13 years ago

The media make up half the stuff they tell us don’t they ?




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThe fact that they left their 3 very young children alone in the apartment while they went out for food and drink is something the McCanns freely admit. That's one point of the story that there is no disagreement on

[Zizu]

The fact that they left their 3 very young children alone in the apartment while they went out for food and drink is something the McCanns freely admit. That's one point of the story that there is no disagreement on



Well it’s not something we ever considered doing I’ll admit .. do we know for certain how far away from the girls they were though ??


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[Zizu]

This new suspect was convicted of a vicious rape on an elderly woman in 2005 in the Algarve .. I dread to think how many innocent people have suffered at his hands over the years


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[Niamh.]

Well it’s not something we ever considered doing I’ll admit .. do we know for certain how far away from the girls they were though ??


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProWell yeah, there's numerous photo's, maps etc of the exact spot they sat in and their apartment

[Zizu]

It’s interesting that he changed his vehicle number plate the morning after she went missing ...


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Police have revealed that he was spotted in Praia da Luz on the night she vanished and has a series of child sex convictions ..


This all looks very grim


The police are apparently sharing lots of circumstantial evidence - far more than normal - with the hope sparking the public into maybe remembering or reporting something that may know .




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[Zizu]

Well yeah, there's numerous photo's, maps etc of the exact spot they sat in and their apartment



So how far away from them ?

A few metres or a hundreds metres ?


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[Jake.]

So how far away from them ?

A few metres or a hundreds metres ?


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It wasn’t a “few metres”

[user104658]

So how far away from them ?

A few metres or a hundreds metres ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProAbout 50 metres in a direct line, but "out of sight" (a wall between them and the entrance is out and round a corner)

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[bots]

Any progress in finding out what happened to her at this point is a good thing, but I am a bit surprised that it's only now they have identified this person as being in the locality as he seems to have quite an extensive, relevant history

[Zizu]

About 50 metres in a direct line, but "out of sight" (a wall between them and the entrance is out and round a corner)



Not ideal then .. and something we certainly never did .

Do we know how they defended their decision to leave them all unattended?


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[user104658]

Any progress in finding out what happened to her at this point is a good thing, but I am a bit surprised that it's only now they have identified this person as being in the locality as he seems to have quite an extensive, relevant historyMaddie has a habit of popping up when certain tabloids don't like the big news stories that day :whistle:

[Zizu]

Any progress in finding out what happened to her at this point is a good thing, but I am a bit surprised that it's only now they have identified this person as being in the locality as he seems to have quite an extensive, relevant history



They must have something as it’s gone crazy all of sudden in the Portugal and German media


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[Zizu]

Maddie has a habit of popping up when certain tabloids don't like the big news stories that day :whistle:



Well they’ve had crap headlines/stories for months ...


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[bots]

Maddie has a habit of popping up when certain tabloids don't like the big news stories that day :whistle:

nah, that's Meghan's role :hee:

[user104658]

Not ideal then .. and something we certainly never did .

Do we know how they defended their decision to leave them all unattended?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThey just repeatedly say that it's a normal thing to do on holiday, even though 99% of other parents are like "What???". They just say again that it's normal and anyone would do it.

We actually went to Portugal when my kids were 4 and 2... The furthest we went was lying out on the balcony of the villa at night looking at the stars when they were asleep in the next room. Granted, being in The Algarve with two small kids, we did have the Maddie cautionary tale on our minds, but I don't know any parent who would actually go out for dinner at any distance and leave their kids alone. As is frequently pointed out - so many things could happen. What if there was a fire? Etc.

Its no different to a parent in the UK leaving their kids at home and going to the pub at the end of the street. No one would try to justify that.

[Liam-]

If they lived on a council estate on Liverpool, they’d have had the other two taken off them as well for wilful neglect now

[AnnieK]

The McCann's to are loving, caring parents I am sure the twins are just fine

I hope you're right although living in Maddies shadow these whole time cannot have been ideal.

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[Mitchell]

If they lived on a council estate on Liverpool, they’d have had the other two taken off them as well for wilful neglect now

^

[arista]

German Prosecutors
say she is presumed dead.

[Withano]

Imagine the number of People that have wasted huge parts of their careers and lives based on Kate’s and gerrys lies.

[Livia]

I just said to someone people on benefits will get their kids taken away if they left their child on their own and higher class parents only get a slap on the wrist.

The McCann's lawyer was talking on TV this morning about the appalling trolling the McCann's had suffered. Immediately I thought of this place and how people can seemingly say what they like.

I would LOVE to see the McCann's lawyers prosecuting the trolls. Could happen... fingers crossed.

[AnnieK]

The McCann's lawyer was talking on TV this morning about the appalling trolling the McCann's had suffered. Immediately I thought of this place and how people can seemingly say what they like.

I would LOVE to see the McCann's lawyers prosecuting the trolls. Could happen... fingers crossed.

There are far worse places than here that have gone after the McCanns for years. Some of the stuff Chuff posted from other groups was far worse than people stating they were negligent for leaving the kids alone and were they not as educated and able to afford the legal team they have, would probably have been investigated for some form of child abandonment.

[bots]

The McCann's were well connected, which i think had more bearing on the case and the media than money

[Cherie]

If he was a burglar in the area, poor Maddy was probably in the wrong place and the wrong time, she might have been awake and it was opportunist...

awful that it has taken 13 years to find this guy given he has so many previous convictions

Lets hope it is him and that he confesses so we can finally put an end to it

[arista]

Germany is saying she was murdered.
So its down to finding her body

[Samm]

Serious neglect sure for the parents blame. As for them murdering her I struggle to believe why would they go to this effort for over ten years to still push for an investigation.

[arista]

Serious neglect sure for the parents blame. As for them murdering her I struggle to believe why would they go to this effort for over ten years to still push for an investigation.

Germany thinks the German Sex offender
had sex with the child
then murdered her.

[Zizu]

They just repeatedly say that it's a normal thing to do on holiday, even though 99% of other parents are like "What???". They just say again that it's normal and anyone would do it.

We actually went to Portugal when my kids were 4 and 2... The furthest we went was lying out on the balcony of the villa at night looking at the stars when they were asleep in the next room. Granted, being in The Algarve with two small kids, we did have the Maddie cautionary tale on our minds, but I don't know any parent who would actually go out for dinner at any distance and leave their kids alone. As is frequently pointed out - so many things could happen. What if there was a fire? Etc.

Its no different to a parent in the UK leaving their kids at home and going to the pub at the end of the street. No one would try to justify that.



I’m not sure what time of the year she went missing but It’s scary to think that we were on holiday in Lagos with our little kids that summer with that guy seemingly living (and preying ) in the area .




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[Zizu]

German Prosecutors
say she is presumed dead.



I still hold out hope that she’s alive as do her parents .


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[Zizu]

Germany thinks the German Sex offender

had sex with the child

then murdered her.



German media ??


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Looks like we may be coming to a conclusion and the hideous speculation about the poor family will draw to a thankful close....

[AnnieK]

I still hold out hope that she’s alive as do her parents .


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I guess it would depend on what happened to her if I would hold out hope she was alive. If, at the age of 4, she was sold into a paedophile sex ring, as a parent I think I would prefer to think she had not survived rather than to think she had been used and suffered in that way.

If she has survived and had been trafficked to good people who loved her and cared for her, that would be a different story.

[arista]

German media ??


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Yes

[Cherie]

I’m not sure what time of the year she went missing but It’s scary to think that we were on holiday in Lagos with our little kids that summer with that guy seemingly living (and preying ) in the area .




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May

[Cherie]

I still hold out hope that she’s alive as do her parents .


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Not a hope, it was an opportunist crime during a routine burglary sadly it seems, she was unlucky that the burglar was also a paedophile

[user104658]

I guess it would depend on what happened to her if I would hold out hope she was alive. If, at the age of 4, she was sold into a paedophile sex ring, as a parent I think I would prefer to think she had not survived rather than to think she had been used and suffered in that way.

If she has survived and had been trafficked to good people who loved her and cared for her, that would be a different story.

I don't know. As absolutely horrendous as it is - there are many survivors of people trafficking and they can (with a lot of help) recover and live full lives. They're never going to be the same person they would have been, but it doesn't mean they can't live a happy and fulfilling life. Obviously anyone would rather believe that she died that night than that she was taken for a period of time and STILL died later, but if they have genuine hope that she could still bo out there I understand clinging to it.

That said, I do have to add that I personally believe that the McCanns know for a fact she died there in Praia Da Luze. I'd be very, very surprised if this latest development comes to anything.

[user104658]

The McCann's lawyer was talking on TV this morning about the appalling trolling the McCann's had suffered. Immediately I thought of this place and how people can seemingly say what they like.

I would LOVE to see the McCann's lawyers prosecuting the trolls. Could happen... fingers crossed.

I don't think it's trolling to point out that most parents wouldn't leave their children alone in an appartment like that, nor to say that it should be flat out illegal to do so at such a young age.

Frankly Livia if you were to tell me that you would even consider, for a second, leaving your own kids alone like they did... I'd have to assume you were lying.

[Kizzy]

The first thought was someone voicing an opinion on an Internet forum? I thought the whole idea of free speech was people can say what they like, there have been no threats just speculation and opinion.

What grounds would a lawyer have to prosecute anyone here? As TS said the thought of leaving children unattended is abhorrent for most.

[Zizu]

I guess it would depend on what happened to her if I would hold out hope she was alive. If, at the age of 4, she was sold into a paedophile sex ring, as a parent I think I would prefer to think she had not survived rather than to think she had been used and suffered in that way.



If she has survived and had been trafficked to good people who loved her and cared for her, that would be a different story.



I’m clutching onto your final paragraph given he apparently made and took a batch of phone calls just an hour or so prior to her disappearance - (Sky News)


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[Zizu]

Yes



Media are simply untrustworthy


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[Zizu]

Not a hope, it was an opportunist crime during a routine burglary sadly it seems, she was unlucky that the burglar was also a paedophile



Without hope , we are nothing ..

( Spike Milligan)


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[Zizu]

I don't know. As absolutely horrendous as it is - there are many survivors of people trafficking and they can (with a lot of help) recover and live full lives. They're never going to be the same person they would have been, but it doesn't mean they can't live a happy and fulfilling life. Obviously anyone would rather believe that she died that night than that she was taken for a period of time and STILL died later, but if they have genuine hope that she could still bo out there I understand clinging to it.



That said, I do have to add that I personally believe that the McCanns know for a fact she died there in Praia Da Luze. I'd be very, very surprised if this latest development comes to anything.



They say they are still clinging onto her being alive though ..


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[Zizu]

The first thought was someone voicing an opinion on an Internet forum? I thought the whole idea of free speech was people can say what they like, there have been no threats just speculation and opinion.

What grounds would a lawyer have to prosecute anyone here? As TS said the thought of leaving children unattended is abhorrent for most.



What have I missed ?


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[The Slim Reaper]

What have I missed ?


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The McCanns have threatened to sue TIBB.

[arista]

The McCanns have threatened to sue TIBB.


rubbish

[The Slim Reaper]

rubbish

James and Josy are trying to negotiate a settlement that will allow them to keep the site open. The McCanns want Annie permabanned for her anti-McCann agenda, but J&J have offered them LT and I instead. Bit of a standoff at the moment.

[AnnieK]

James and Josy are trying to negotiate a settlement that will allow them to keep the site open. The McCanns want Annie permabanned for her anti-McCann agenda, but J&J have offered them LT and I instead. Bit of a standoff at the moment.

They'll never take away my freedom!

[Cherie]

Without hope , we are nothing ..

( Spike Milligan)


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Maybe, but I am a realist, if he wasn't a raving paedo I might have some hope, poor little mite

[The Slim Reaper]

They'll never take away my freedom!

Kate is from Liverpool. You're in trouble.

[AnnieK]

Kate is from Liverpool. You're in trouble.

You forgetting where I'm from?

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[Aaliyah]

why are you covering the faces up?

[Aaliyah]

The McCann's lawyer was talking on TV this morning about the appalling trolling the McCann's had suffered. Immediately I thought of this place and how people can seemingly say what they like.

I would LOVE to see the McCann's lawyers prosecuting the trolls. Could happen... fingers crossed.

Yeah because their lawyers are going to focus their time and efforts on posts made on ThisIsBigBrother.com as opposed to the viral Tweets, Facebook statuses and hashtags

[arista]

why are you covering the faces up?

The German Sex Criminal Suspect
banned from showing in Germany.

[Marsh.]

The McCann's lawyer was talking on TV this morning about the appalling trolling the McCann's had suffered. Immediately I thought of this place and how people can seemingly say what they like.

I would LOVE to see the McCann's lawyers prosecuting the trolls. Could happen... fingers crossed.

Yes, instead of prosecuting neglectful parents let's prosecute people who point out how dumb it is to leave BABIES.... alone.... in an unlocked apartment.... in a holiday resort.... at night.

:joker:

On what grounds would they prosecute exactly? Because regardless of what actually happened to Maddie, THEY left her alone. An indisputable fact, not a lie.

[Aaliyah]

The German Sex Criminal Suspect
banned from showing in Germany.

Are you in Germany?

[Aaliyah]

Yes, instead of prosecuting neglectful parents let's prosecute people who point out how dumb it is to leave BABIES.... alone.... in an unlocked apartment.... in a holiday resort.... at night.

:joker:

A ground floor apartment nonetheless!

[Marsh.]

Its no different to a parent in the UK leaving their kids at home and going to the pub at the end of the street. No one would try to justify that.

Really good point, people seem to accept it because they were on holiday, which is absurd.

[arista]

Are you in Germany?


No UK

The photo of him
is banned on UK TV

[arista]

Got his Face
Twitter post


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZswkhHVcAE2iIQ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Aaliyah]

No UK

Understood sis

[Aaliyah]

Its no different to a parent in the UK leaving their kids at home and going to the pub at the end of the street. No one would try to justify that.


Mum who left son, 4, home alone while she went to Wetherspoons pub annoys crown court judge

''The Stockton woman, in her early 20s, faced sentence at Teesside Crown Court for child cruelty after she left her little boy sleeping to go to the pub.''

She had her children taken away from her December last year for doing exactly what the McCanns' did!

[Saph]

so they wasted all this time and money and she was dead the whole time?

[Marsh.]

why are you covering the faces up?

The German Sex Criminal Suspect
banned from showing in Germany.

Are you in Germany?

No UK

Understood sis

:joker:

[James]

Mum who left son, 4, home alone while she went to Wetherspoons pub annoys crown court judge

''The Stockton woman, in her early 20s, faced sentence at Teesside Crown Court for child cruelty after she left her little boy sleeping to go to the pub.''

She had her children taken away from her December last year for doing exactly what the McCanns' did!

Seems like there's more to her having the child taken away that just this instance - https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mum-who-left-son-4-17451048

But the difference with the McCanns, that people don't seem to get, is that yeah it was negligent of them, but they received the ultimate punishment for it.

They still deserve sympathy for what they've gone through. IMO of course

[arista]

so they wasted all this time and money and she was dead the whole time?


Yes it's sad
getting the body
is the hard bit

[AnnieK]

No UK

The photo of him
is banned on UK TV

They showed it on the news though??

[Glenn.]

Seems like there's more to her having the child taken away that just this instance - https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mum-who-left-son-4-17451048

But the difference with the McCanns, that people don't seem to get, is that yeah it was negligent of them, but they received the ultimate punishment for it.

They still deserve sympathy for what they've gone through. IMO of course

I’d say the the poor little girl who probably suffered god knows what paid the ultimate punishment for it. Her parents are still breathing.

I have no sympathy for her parents because they clearly didn’t get the memo on parenting.

[James]

They showed it on the news though??

This is from the BBC front pages page, where the pictures are taken from.


Many of Friday's newspaper front pages have named and pictured the suspect in the Madeleine McCann case. Because of German privacy law, and the BBC website being accessible in Germany, the BBC has not pictured him.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-52930228

[AnnieK]

Seems like there's more to her having the child taken away that just this instance - https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mum-who-left-son-4-17451048

But the difference with the McCanns, that people don't seem to get, is that yeah it was negligent of them, but they received the ultimate punishment for it.

They still deserve sympathy for what they've gone through. IMO of course

They deserve empathy...not sympathy. Had they not have left her they may not have gone through it. I would reserve my sympathy for parents who didn't put their children at risk needlessly initially

[armand.kay]

Trolling involves directly harassing someone. People coming for the Mccanns on a dead reality TV forum that they’d probably never come across is not trolling. Like get real :skull:

[arista]

They showed it on the news though??


No both SkyNews and BBCnews
paper reviews removed the face photo
the SkyNews one is shown all night

[joeysteele]

They deserve empathy...not sympathy. Had they not have left her they may not have gone through it. I would reserve my sympathy for parents who didn't put their children at risk needlessly initially

I agree with you here Annie.

I have myself moved, after listening to the arguments on both sides over the years on here, more to negative thinking on the Parents.

My thoughts also go to the other children who were deprived of their Sister.

Not being able to get to know her and grow up with her.

It's a very sad story however I can't get round leaving children alone in another Country for any reason myself.

It's tragic but tragic for Madeline as no one yet knows and maybe never will know, what trauma that young child went through.

[joeysteele]

Yes, instead of prosecuting neglectful parents let's prosecute people who point out how dumb it is to leave BABIES.... alone.... in an unlocked apartment.... in a holiday resort.... at night.

:joker:

On what grounds would they prosecute exactly? Because regardless of what actually happened to Maddie, THEY left her alone. An indisputable fact, not a lie.


In law Marsh.
You are correct.
There are no grounds for prosecuting in law.

This is one of those issues where many can relate to the pain of losing a child in whatever way Madeline was lost.

Equally many who find the Parents, for not any emergency but only to socialise.
Actually both leaving their children at night alone while they did so.

There's media which have expressed suspicion nearer home.
The Parents were interviewed as possible suspects too at one time.

There has been no court judgements of guilt or innocence as to any possible in this tragic loss of a child.
So nothing to charge anyone for as to having and expressing their opinion.
Immaterial of the side they may lean to.

Some however, who feel strongly as to child neglect will be livid, rightly, with any parents leaving children as young as these were at the time.
For ANY length of time.
May express that more forcefully than others.

If the truth is known ever in the future.
Then any who've made false judgements can apologise if they wish.
If the facts once proven, show the position they took was incorrect.

Nothing to prosecute for at all.

I have had my position changed from talking to those on this site over the years, and doing new assessment of what I originally felt.

[bots]

i think i am correct here in saying that the parents have never at any time said that they made an error in leaving the kids alone (if they have it didn't come across that they took some fundamental responsibility). If they had, I think the public perception would be very different.

[arista]

They had left their kids before
they assumed it was a safe hotel.

That German has broken into Hotels

[AnnieK]

They had left their kids before
they assumed it was a safe hotel.

That German has broken into Hotels

Don't care....the fact that they regularly left the children makes it worse, not better

[MTVN]

I agree with you here Annie.

I have myself moved, after listening to the arguments on both sides over the years on here, more to negative thinking on the Parents.

My thoughts also go to the other children who were deprived of their Sister.

Not being able to get to know her and grow up with her.

It's a very sad story however I can't get round leaving children alone in another Country for any reason myself.

It's tragic but tragic for Madeline as no one yet knows and maybe never will know, what trauma that young child went through.

Welcome back Joey

[arista]

Don't care....the fact that they regularly left the children makes it worse, not better


Yes a bad thing to keep doing

[Niamh.]

Don't care....the fact that they regularly left the children makes it worse, not better

Even after Maddie asked where they were the night before she went missing and told them that she had cried because she couldn't find them, imagine your child saying that to you and you still went out?

[AnnieK]

Even after Maddie asked where they were the night before she went missing and told them that she had cried because she couldn't find them, imagine your child saying that to you and you still went out?

I know....awful. :sad:

Although they thought it was safe so that makes it ok apparently

[Josy]

I always thought it was illegal to leave any child under 14 unsupervised:think:

[Josy]

Even after Maddie asked where they were the night before she went missing and told them that she had cried because she couldn't find them, imagine your child saying that to you and you still went out?I know, that's absolutely devastating :(

[Cherie]

Even after Maddie asked where they were the night before she went missing and told them that she had cried because she couldn't find them, imagine your child saying that to you and you still went out?

Yeah that's the bit that wrenched my heart as well

[Kazanne]

Why would this guy be paroled if they are sure he did it.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-be-out-of-jail-in-days-police-fear-german-rapist-may-be-given-parole-as-they-hunt-for-his-kosovan-underage-ex-girlfriend-and-focus-on-portuguese-farmhouse-they-shared/ar-BB154ptG?ocid=msedgntp

[Josy]

Why would this guy be paroled if they are sure he did it.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-be-out-of-jail-in-days-police-fear-german-rapist-may-be-given-parole-as-they-hunt-for-his-kosovan-underage-ex-girlfriend-and-focus-on-portuguese-farmhouse-they-shared/ar-BB154ptG?ocid=msedgntpNo evidence

[Cherie]

Why would this guy be paroled if they are sure he did it.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-be-out-of-jail-in-days-police-fear-german-rapist-may-be-given-parole-as-they-hunt-for-his-kosovan-underage-ex-girlfriend-and-focus-on-portuguese-farmhouse-they-shared/ar-BB154ptG?ocid=msedgntp

Suspect at the moment

[Josy]

So it's not illegal to leave a child alone but it is an offence if they are at risk, the very bottom part of the screenshot clearly states what most people know anyway. Not sure how anyone can try to justify that as being a normal or common thing for parents to do :rolleyes:

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[Zizu]

Even after Maddie asked where they were the night before she went missing and told them that she had cried because she couldn't find them, imagine your child saying that to you and you still went out?



Is that definitely true or just made up media krap ?


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[MTVN]

Why would this guy be paroled if they are sure he did it.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-be-out-of-jail-in-days-police-fear-german-rapist-may-be-given-parole-as-they-hunt-for-his-kosovan-underage-ex-girlfriend-and-focus-on-portuguese-farmhouse-they-shared/ar-BB154ptG?ocid=msedgntp

Hmm it would be surprising if he's granted parole I think given he's a repeat offender who has breached his parole conditions in the past

[AnnieK]

Is that definitely true or just made up media krap ?


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Admitted by Kate herself in one of the documentaries

[Josy]

Is that definitely true or just made up media krap ?


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[arista]

I always thought it was illegal to leave any child under 14 unsupervised:think:


Under that Private Hotel
no rules like that.

They are Professionals
that leave their kids safe together
they thought?

[Josy]

Under that Private Hotel

no rules like that.



They are Professionals

that leave their kids safe together

they thought?

Nah, theres a childcare facility in hotels for a reason why not use it?

It's not safe at all to leave kids alone in hotel rooms or anywhere really whilst the parents go out and have a drink, its neglectful.

[AnnieK]

Nah, theres a childcare facility in hotels for a reason why not use it?

It's not safe at all to leave kids alone in hotel rooms or anywhere really whilst the parents go out and have a drink, its neglectful.

It baffles me how anyone can condone leaving three children under 4, at night, in unfamiliar surroundings on the excuse that they thought they would be safe together. Like how? Would the 3 year old know what to do if one of the younger babies threw up? Or start choking? Or just got upset?

Let alone be able to in any way know how to protect them if a paedophile burglar broke in?

I have no words to think in what universe anyone would ever think that it was a good idea to leave them alone once, nevermind multiple nights on holiday

[arista]

Nah, theres a childcare facility in hotels for a reason why not use it?

It's not safe at all to leave kids alone in hotel rooms or anywhere really whilst the parents go out and have a drink, its neglectful.


But Josy
that costs extra money

[Aaliyah]

The McCann's could have accidentally killed Madeleine. Watch the Netflix documentary, Kate refused to answer 70+ questions at the immediate stages of the investigation, a sniffer dog smelt blood in their room and in their hire car, and the most weird thing of all is the fact that whilst still on Portugal, they washed Madeleine's teddy! So many weird things that don't add up, they could have accidently drugged her on some sleeping tablets and gave her too much, they are doctors after all but she's a child, makes sense since she was crying the night before as she couldn't find them!

[AnnieK]

But Josy
that costs extra money

And what price do you put on your children's lives?

Pay up, stay in or take them out with you....you don't just leave them

[Kazanne]

But Josy
that costs extra money

But surely thier kids were worth a bit extra,wasnt the baysitting service something like £10 ?

[Nicky91]

The McCann's could have accidentally killed Madeleine. Watch the Netflix documentary, Kate refused to answer 70+ questions at the immediate stages of the investigation, a sniffer dog smelt blood in their room and in their hire car, and the most weird thing of all is the fact that whilst still on Portugal, they washed Madeleine's teddy! So many weird things that don't add up, they could have accidently drugged her on some sleeping tablets and gave her too much, they are doctors after all but she's a child, makes sense since she was crying the night before as she couldn't find them!

interesting theory

but what about Madeleine's body then? since they never found anything

[arista]

But surely their kids were worth a bit extra,wasnt the baysitting service something like £10 ?



Yes it's mean not pay for it

[Josy]

It baffles me how anyone can condone leaving three children under 4, at night, in unfamiliar surroundings on the excuse that they thought they would be safe together. Like how? Would the 3 year old know what to do if one of the younger babies threw up? Or start choking? Or just got upset?

Let alone be able to in any way know how to protect them if a paedophile burglar broke in?

I have no words to think in what universe anyone would ever think that it was a good idea to leave them alone once, nevermind multiple nights on holiday

I completely agree with everything you've said, no responsible parent or guardian would even consider it.

[Niamh.]

Why would this guy be paroled if they are sure he did it.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-be-out-of-jail-in-days-police-fear-german-rapist-may-be-given-parole-as-they-hunt-for-his-kosovan-underage-ex-girlfriend-and-focus-on-portuguese-farmhouse-they-shared/ar-BB154ptG?ocid=msedgntp

These stories seem to pop up every so often don't they, I wonder about it hhhmm

[Niamh.]

Is that definitely true or just made up media krap ?


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Straight from Kate's mouth on that BBC documentary they did a couple of years ago

[Niamh.]

Under that Private Hotel
no rules like that.

They are Professionals
that leave their kids safe together
they thought?

They were self catering apartmants though, they weren't even in the hotel

[Niamh.]

It baffles me how anyone can condone leaving three children under 4, at night, in unfamiliar surroundings on the excuse that they thought they would be safe together. Like how? Would the 3 year old know what to do if one of the younger babies threw up? Or start choking? Or just got upset?

Let alone be able to in any way know how to protect them if a paedophile burglar broke in?

I have no words to think in what universe anyone would ever think that it was a good idea to leave them alone once, nevermind multiple nights on holiday

When Luke was young even up to 8/9 years old, he would often wake in the night and even at that age he would have been terrified if there was no adult there, nevermind when he was 3/4. That is enough reason not to leave a child alone imo

[caprimint]

This story is still so crazy to me, in that I genuinely don't know what to think/believe actually happened that night. There is SO much that still doesn't add up but it's also possible that a lot of their timings/memory of specific details is off just because the whole thing is a blur. Like sure they shouldn't have left the kids there alone but they did and blaming the parents for that just doesn't really help the whole thing tbh.

I really just don't think somebody got in through the window and took her though. I can't help but feel like Gerry (idk about Kate tbh) had something to do with it :shrug: But then so awful to think that if they genuinely didn't so I wouldn't want to make assumptions about it either.

[Kazanne]

These stories seem to pop up every so often don't they, I wonder about it hhhmm

Im not sure about this one either :shrug:

[Zizu]

This story is still so crazy to me, in that I genuinely don't know what to think/believe actually happened that night. There is SO much that still doesn't add up but it's also possible that a lot of their timings/memory of specific details is off just because the whole thing is a blur. Like sure they shouldn't have left the kids there alone but they did and blaming the parents for that just doesn't really help the whole thing tbh.

I really just don't think somebody got in through the window and took her though. I can't help but feel like Gerry (idk about Kate tbh) had something to do with it :shrug: But then so awful to think that if they genuinely didn't so I wouldn't want to make assumptions about it either.



Loads of thieves get in through windows .. it’s the main point of access isn’t it ?
Everyone locks doors but leave windows open... especially in hot climates .

The suspect has a history of house breaking as well as the other offences

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[Zizu]

Oddly enough ...


There was a Portuguese lawyer on BBC yesterday who said that around the time in question -some bloke broke into an apartment in the middle of the night in the area but was noticed by the eldest girl ... he talked to the two sisters and left them alone !!
They told police that he had an accent like Dutch or German ..


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[Marsh.]

In law Marsh.
You are correct.
There are no grounds for prosecuting in law.

This is one of those issues where many can relate to the pain of losing a child in whatever way Madeline was lost.

Equally many who find the Parents, for not any emergency but only to socialise.
Actually both leaving their children at night alone while they did so.

There's media which have expressed suspicion nearer home.
The Parents were interviewed as possible suspects too at one time.

There has been no court judgements of guilt or innocence as to any possible in this tragic loss of a child.
So nothing to charge anyone for as to having and expressing their opinion.
Immaterial of the side they may lean to.

Some however, who feel strongly as to child neglect will be livid, rightly, with any parents leaving children as young as these were at the time.
For ANY length of time.
May express that more forcefully than others.

If the truth is known ever in the future.
Then any who've made false judgements can apologise if they wish.
If the facts once proven, show the position they took was incorrect.

Nothing to prosecute for at all.

I have had my position changed from talking to those on this site over the years, and doing new assessment of what I originally felt.

Nice to see you back, joey. :clap1:

[Marsh.]

Loads of thieves get in through windows .. it’s the main point of access isn’t it ?
Everyone locks doors but leave windows open... especially in hot climates .

The suspect has a history of house breaking as well as the other offences

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I remember something about the window on the Crimewatch special they did. The last time they checked on the kids BEFORE she disappeared all the windows and shutters were all closed. Then Kate's version of events when she discovered Maddie gone was that the window was open with the "curtains fluttering in the breeze" or something to that effect, but the shutter on the window was inspected and would not remain up and in the open position without being held, and every time they lifted it, it would only fall back down.

It's been a few years since I watched it but there were definite inconsistencies to the window.

Edited to add: Or something about the shutter could only be lifted from the inside of the apartment. :shrug:

They admitted the patio doors were left unlocked too, which baffled me.

[Zizu]

I remember something about the window on the Crimewatch special they did. The last time they checked on the kids BEFORE she disappeared all the windows and shutters were all closed. Then Kate's version of events when she discovered Maddie gone was that the window was open with the "curtains fluttering in the breeze" or something to that effect, but the shutter on the window was inspected and would not remain up and in the open position without being held, and every time they lifted it, it would only fall back down.

It's been a few years since I watched it but there were definite inconsistencies to the window.

Edited to add: Or something about the shutter could only be lifted from the inside of the apartment. :shrug:

They admitted the patio doors were left unlocked too, which baffled me.



Guess we’ll never know the whole truth of the matter ..


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[AnnieK]

I remember something about the window on the Crimewatch special they did. The last time they checked on the kids BEFORE she disappeared all the windows and shutters were all closed. Then Kate's version of events when she discovered Maddie gone was that the window was open with the "curtains fluttering in the breeze" or something to that effect, but the shutter on the window was inspected and would not remain up and in the open position without being held, and every time they lifted it, it would only fall back down.

It's been a few years since I watched it but there were definite inconsistencies to the window.

Edited to add: Or something about the shutter could only be lifted from the inside of the apartment. :shrug:

They admitted the patio doors were left unlocked too, which baffled me.

Again only from memory I think kate said they broke in through the shutters on a phonecall home but then it was shown that the shutter were down, locked and undisturbed, locked.from the inside.

[caprimint]

Yeah I don't remember all the details now either but I do remember thinking that it just didn't all add up

But still definitely possible that somebody did take her & maybe just their recollection of it isn't 100% which is also understandable. :shrug:

[Niamh.]

Interesting, so not brand new breaking news after all, there's a shock

https://www.9news.com.au/national/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-a-scapegoat-portugal-detective-goncalo-amaral-claims-maddie-podcast/0ea5ef10-8717-4cfb-adea-a1c8baf2d357

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/QIP7hAU537tOAgwietY8dw/https/media.fyre.co/PEdG2wQQvOZqahTQ06Ao_papersmirror.JPG

[rusticgal]

The McCann's could have accidentally killed Madeleine. Watch the Netflix documentary, Kate refused to answer 70+ questions at the immediate stages of the investigation, a sniffer dog smelt blood in their room and in their hire car, and the most weird thing of all is the fact that whilst still on Portugal, they washed Madeleine's teddy! So many weird things that don't add up, they could have accidently drugged her on some sleeping tablets and gave her too much, they are doctors after all but she's a child, makes sense since she was crying the night before as she couldn't find them!


They didn’t do it....their only crime was to leave their 3 children alone in an unlocked apartment. A decision they must regret every day of their lives. They had the option of childcare...all their friends were equally guilty.
She was abducted.

[rusticgal]

I remember something about the window on the Crimewatch special they did. The last time they checked on the kids BEFORE she disappeared all the windows and shutters were all closed. Then Kate's version of events when she discovered Maddie gone was that the window was open with the "curtains fluttering in the breeze" or something to that effect, but the shutter on the window was inspected and would not remain up and in the open position without being held, and every time they lifted it, it would only fall back down.

It's been a few years since I watched it but there were definite inconsistencies to the window.

Edited to add: Or something about the shutter could only be lifted from the inside of the apartment. :shrug:

They admitted the patio doors were left unlocked too, which baffled me.


The window at the front was open and I believe Madeleines bed was next to it. This was at the front of the apartment but there was a drop from the window to the ground. It’s been reported this guy is tall...but maybe he had an accomplice?
But yes the patio doors were left unlocked..

[Marsh.]

The window at the front was open and I believe Madeleines bed was next to it. This was at the front of the apartment but there was a drop from the window to the ground. It’s been reported this guy is tall...but maybe he had an accomplice?
But yes the patio doors were left unlocked..

Yes, but I was talking about the comment Kate made about the curtains blowing in the breeze, which they can't have been with the shutters down, closed and locked.

[Marsh.]

She probably was snatched, and Kate and Gerry have muddied the initial crime scene in their desperate panic at trying to make it seem like she wasn't neglected with the incorrect description of the crime scene, the lies about how often the kids were checked on.

[Niamh.]

They didn’t do it....their only crime was to leave their 3 children alone in an unlocked apartment. A decision they must regret every day of their lives. They had the option of childcare...all their friends were equally guilty.

She was abducted.With all due respect you dont know whether they did it or not. There was zero evidence that she was abducted where as there was some evidence to say she died in the apartment as indicated by the blood and cadaver dogs

[Zizu]

Again only from memory I think kate said they broke in through the shutters on a phonecall home but then it was shown that the shutter were down, locked and undisturbed, locked.from the inside.



It seems extremely unlikely that IF they were gonna lie / cover up that they would say something that could easily be disproven - they are both intelligent people after all .


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[rusticgal]

Yes, but I was talking about the comment Kate made about the curtains blowing in the breeze, which they can't have been with the shutters down, closed and locked.


I thought the shutters were open hence the breeze...they wouldn’t have to be opened much. I haven’t heard that they wouldn’t stay up...that’s new to me.

[rusticgal]

With all due respect you dont know whether they did it or not. There was zero evidence that she was abducted where as there was some evidence to say she died in the apartment as indicated by the blood and cadaver dogs


I remember thinking that they may have been guilty. Knowing how she had cried the night before when she woke and couldn’t find them...my first thoughts were that they may have given her something to make her sleep and maybe overdosed. However being doctors I’m sure they wouldn’t have done that. The blood they found wasn’t conclusive.
I know I don’t know...it’s simply my opinion. I know there was a window open causing a breeze. Either she’s wandered off and been abducted or someone got in. This other little girl in Germany wandered off and disappeared too...:shrug:

[Marsh.]

I thought the shutters were open hence the breeze...

That's what she said initially.

[Marsh.]

It seems extremely unlikely that IF they were gonna lie / cover up that they would say something that could easily be disproven - they are both intelligent people after all .


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People will say silly things or accidentally contradict themselves when they're trying to lie on the fly after something catastrophic has happened. No wonder Kate refused to answer so many questions, it was a while before they could get their story straight.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/E7E4/production/_112746395_express.jpg

[AnnieK]

It seems extremely unlikely that IF they were gonna lie / cover up that they would say something that could easily be disproven - they are both intelligent people after all .


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Who knows? There are numerous family members who said that when they were told by Kate and Gerry about Maddie going missing the shutters were jemmied but the police found them intact.

They are both intelligent people but still left 3'children under 4 unsupervised, at night, in a foreign country after the eldest child told them she had been crying for them the previous.night. Now, I'm no Doctor but even my intellect tells me that's wrong

[Zizu]

There are numerous family members who said that when they were told by Kate and Gerry about Maddie going missing the shutters were jemmied but the police found them intact.





See I don’t know anywhere near enough about this case and especially the “facts” surrounding it but again it just seems unlikely that their family members would be saying things that would incriminate the McCanns ... it sounds remarkably like simple media talk

. May I ask where you got that info on the family statements ?


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[AnnieK]

See I don’t know anywhere near enough about this case and especially the “facts” surrounding it but again it just seems unlikely that their family members would be saying things that would incriminate the McCanns ... it sounds remarkably like simple media talk

. May I ask where you got that info on the family statements ?


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Again, it was mentioned on the documentaries and in interviews since then.....hang on I'll find a link.

[Zizu]

Again, it was mentioned on the documentaries and in interviews since then.....hang on I'll find a link.



But surely if there were serious discrepancies in the McCann’s story they would have been charged with something ... if only falsifying evidence or wasting police time or whatever?


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[AnnieK]

But surely if there were serious discrepancies in the McCann’s story they would have been charged with something ... if only falsifying evidence or wasting police time or whatever?


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It could simply be the stress of the time.....that is why there is such strong feelings on them. When they were classed as official suspects in the early days, Kate refused to answer a lot of the police questions and did some quite questionable things like washing Maddies fave toy....could be a sign of guilt but equally of shock. The whole case is devisive.....

[Zizu]

It could simply be the stress of the time.....that is why there is such strong feelings on them. When they were classed as official suspects in the early days, Kate refused to answer a lot of the police questions and did some quite questionable things like washing Maddies fave toy....could be a sign of guilt but equally of shock. The whole case is devisive.....



That’s a fair comment


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[joeysteele]

Who knows? There are numerous family members who said that when they were told by Kate and Gerry about Maddie going missing the shutters were jemmied but the police found them intact.

They are both intelligent people but still left 3'children under 4 unsupervised, at night, in a foreign country after the eldest child told them she had been crying for them the previous.night. Now, I'm no Doctor but even my intellect tells me that's wrong


There are so many inconsistencies in this tragedy.
The second paragraph of your post is what always sticks with me.
It's something I cannot get past myself in this case.
Really strong post again Annie.

If the Parents really know nothing about what happened or whether they do.
As to any development or result of this.
Your last paragraph above, makes the most worrying and confusing reading on the loss of this child.

Maybe confusion is all that's been created in this whole tragedy to offset any concrete results being possible.
Obviously now, this new investigation, yet another, despite all the previous investigating, we need to see where this goes I guess.

[AnnieK]

There are so many inconsistencies in this tragedy.
The second paragraph of your post is what always sticks with me.
It's something I cannot get past myself in this case.
Really strong post again Annie.

If the Parents really know nothing about what happened or whether they do.
As to any development or result of this.
Your last paragraph above, makes the most worrying and confusing reading on the loss of this child.

Maybe confusion is all that's been created in this whole tragedy to offset any concrete results being possible.
Obviously now, this new investigation, yet another, despite all the previous investigating, we need to see where this goes I guess.

So good to see you posting Joey :love:

I desperately want to feel terribly sorry for the McCanns. They have faced the unspeakable that is every parent's worst fear.....but I can't get past them leaving them alone at such a young age.

[Niamh.]

But surely if there were serious discrepancies in the McCann’s story they would have been charged with something ... if only falsifying evidence or wasting police time or whatever?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProYou would think. . . The lead Portuguese detective made them suspects and then was taken off the case and case was shelved (again these are all verified facts not rumours or made up stories)

They're being protected for some reason and if you dont believe dodgy conspiracy esque stuff like that goes on just watch the Jeffrey Epstein documentary

[Livia]

I'm not a massive fan of Judge Rinder but I agree with his comments yesterday, where he said that the McCanns had been hideously libelled by Internet trolls. I couldn't agree more. All the people who think they're privy to certain information because they read it on the Internet, written by other trolls. You'd think that if the information is that solid, why someone - anyone - could verify these "facts". But, no....

The Portuguese police mishandled the case from day one. One bungle after another... and they closed the case far too soon. Luckily, Scotland Yard and Interpol were less tardy.

If this paedophile is convicted, I hope the McCanns spend any money left in the pot bringing Internet trolls into court.

[Zizu]

I'm not a massive fan of Judge Rinder but I agree with his comments yesterday, where he said that the McCanns had been hideously libelled by Internet trolls. I couldn't agree more. All the people who think they're privy to certain information because they read it on the Internet, written by other trolls. You'd think that if the information is that solid, why someone - anyone - could verify these "facts". But, no....

The Portuguese police mishandled the case from day one. One bungle after another... and they closed the case far too soon. Luckily, Scotland Yard and Interpol were less tardy.

If this paedophile is convicted, I hope the McCanns spend any money left in the pot bringing Internet trolls into court.



Excellent take on things !


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[Tom4784]

And this lead will end up going nowhere because there was no conspiracy or kidnapping, just two negligent parents covering up their grave mistake.

[Livia]

I also think the McCanns are victim of inverted snobbery. How many times have I heard that if they were working class they would have been treated worse, that people would have imagined they were guilty rather than imagining they were innocent. I remember Karen Matthews. She was working class and was treated as innocent right up to the time they found her guilty.

[Zizu]

And this lead will end up going nowhere because there was no conspiracy or kidnapping, just two negligent parents covering up their grave mistake.



Nobody knows that for sure ..


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[Zizu]

I also think the McCanns are victim of inverted snobbery. How many times have I heard that if they were working class they would have been treated worse, that people would have imagined they were guilty rather than imagining they were innocent. I remember Karen Matthews. She was working class and was treated as innocent right up to the time they found her guilty.



Interesting..


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[arista]

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[Zizu]

German police chief tonight said on Sky that he has evidence that she’s dead but wouldn’t say any more .. they’re desperate for the public to come forward and say where they spotted him and the police will check those areas for her body ..also said the guy used his mobile outside the McCann apartment hours before she went missing :(



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[arista]

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[GoldHeart]

Whole thing is still sketchy and bizarre, I'm not sure this sicko had anything to do with it .

I don't know what to make of it all

[Zizu]

Whole thing is still sketchy and bizarre, I'm not sure this sicko had anything to do with it .



I don't know what to make of it all



A convicted child sex attacker .. living in the area , proven to have used his mobile just outside the McCann apartment hours before she went missing !?!?


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[GoldHeart]

A convicted child sex attacker .. living in the area , proven to have used his mobile just outside the McCann apartment hours before she went missing !?!?


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Yes he's a sicko that needs locking up for life , I'm saying the whole case of Madeline is sketchy and bizarre especially the parent's behaviour .

[Zizu]

Yes he's a sicko that needs locking up for life , I'm saying the whole case of Madeline is sketchy and bizarre especially the parent's behaviour .



You said you weren’t sure that he had anything to do with it .. yet he ( a serial child sex attacker ) was found to be using his mobile outside their apartment just hours before she went missing ..

It surely suggests that he had an awful lot to do with her disappearance.


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[GoldHeart]

You said you weren’t sure that he had anything to do with it .. yet he ( a serial child sex attacker ) was found to be using his mobile outside their apartment just hours before she went missing ..

It surely suggests that he had an awful lot to do with her disappearance.


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:bored::facepalm: Because I have so many questions I can't even be bothered to go through this again

[Marsh.]

You said you weren’t sure that he had anything to do with it .. yet he ( a serial child sex attacker ) was found to be using his mobile outside their apartment just hours before she went missing ..

It surely suggests that he had an awful lot to do with her disappearance.


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Circumstantial.

There has to be more to it than that.

[Zizu]

Circumstantial.



There has to be more to it than that.



That’s why they need more evidence..

It’s pretty damning though to be fair .




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[Beso]

The sun makes interesting reading tomorrow.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11827479/child-snatch-gangs-kidnapping-kids-sell-sex-slaves-paedophiles/


I'm expecting prince Andrew to suddenly go to america, of course it will be said it's to aid the eipstien investigation and not disappear from European soil.

[Beso]

A convicted child sex attacker .. living in the area , proven to have used his mobile just outside the McCann apartment hours before she went missing !?!?


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Why would someone use a mobile whilst prowling about doing that...surely someone was phoning them wanting something

[Zizu]

Why would someone use a mobile whilst prowling about doing that...surely someone was phoning them wanting something



It has been suggested elsewhere that he may have ‘stole her to order’ so that fits in ... or the could face been the waiter tipping him off that the McCanns were in the restaurant ... another suggestion.

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[Marsh.]

Still no proof... interesting.

[Ammi]

..Madeleine McCann: The Hunt for the Prime Suspect on ITV/channel 3 now...

[Cal.]

Watching this now!

[Ammi]

...it feels really plausible that Christian B took and killed Madeleine...i just can’t imagine though, they’ll ever be able to charge him and the time is running out for them...it’s such a frightening thing that someone like that could be released in a matter of days/weeks...I read a few days ago that another case from 2004 was being reopened as it had also been linked to him possibly being the person who raped a young Irish woman, Hazel Behan...

....I know that Madeleine’s parents have always believed she was alive/ abducted but still living...if they believe he took her, they must know there is no chance she’s alive and that’s something they will finally have to face...:sad:...I do doubt though that there will ever be a time when anyone will ever be brought to justice...as was said on the documentary last night...anyone who may have or may have had any vital evidence needed...?...would also face an accessory charge which could bring 10 years in prison for them as well...

[Zizu]

I hope it’s all sorted out soon .. ideally with Maddie all safe and well with a lovely adopted couple somewhere..


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[bots]

it's going to need a technological advancement before they ever find out what really happened to her. It will come at some point.

[Ammi]

Police search near Hanover linked to Madeleine McCann disappearance...



German police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are searching a site near Hanover, prosecutors have told local media.

Footage from the scene shows heavy machinery being used in the search.

Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt said: "It's a dramatic development. Police in Germany started digging an allotment area near Hanover this morning, where Christian B, the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann investigation lived for a period some years ago.

"The public prosecutor's office and the federal police have confirmed to local media and to our own reporter in Germany that this is connected to the Madeleine McCann investigation."

He added: "Since this morning an area of trees has been cleared. Police are there, there are forensic officers there as part of this investigation. A mini excavator is being used to dig the land and there is some activity at least just off the side of the road there.

"It's not clear exactly what police are looking for, whether its potential evidence directly linked to the disappearance of Madeleine or whether its something that's more connected to Christian B the suspect."

https://news.sky.com/story/police-search-near-hanover-linked-to-madeleine-mccann-disappearance-12037852

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[Ammi]

German police are said to have uncovered a hidden cellar at the former home of the suspect in the Madeleine McCann case.

In a third and final day of digging, they used an excavator, ground penetrating radar, sniffer dogs and a drone in their desperate hunt for crucial evidence.

The cellar was discovered as investigators dug a deep hole 15 meters wide in the garden of a secluded holiday chalet outside Hanover.




https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-hidden-cellar-discovered-at-former-home-of-suspect-12038714

[Moniqua]

come home to us maddie xx

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[Smithy]

Why is his surname blacked out, when it’s on the front of the actual paper anyway

[Ammi]

Why is his surname blacked out, when it’s on the front of the actual paper anyway

...the articles only seem to call him Christian B, though...it must be his legal team as he hasn’t been charged ...I’m pretty sure his name was given in the documentary a few days ago, so it must be intervention by his legal people...?...