Little Britain removed from iPlayer and Netflix and NOW TV after blackface criticism

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

https://news.sky.com/story/little-britain-removed-from-iplayer-and-netflix-after-blackface-criticism-12003558

[Samm]

the right-wing exploding on twitter over this :skull: and they’re the ones calling everyone snowflakes

[arista]

Buy it on DVD


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[Amy Jade]

While I see it is insensitive now I don't think removing media helps. What's next?

[arista]

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Loads on Amazon UK and Ebay

[arista]

While I see it is insensitive now I don't think removing media helps. What's next?


Yes its getting crazy.

[bots]

Feel the force

Sign of the times

[Marsh.]

While I see it is insensitive now I don't think removing media helps. What's next?

It's not really removing media. Individual channels/streaming services always decide what they do and don't want to broadcast.

If it gets banned/destroyed then it becomes more of an issue IMO.

It's like the statues, removing statues that are glorifying slave traders is one thing, if they tried to remove all of that from the history books altogether is something different.

[LukeB]

Catherine Tate was better anyway

[arista]

Catherine Tate was better anyway

Just as good.

[Crimson Dynamo]

For fear of blame on the BBC more like

More hysteria

[Braden]

I don’t see what this is achieving?

If Keith Lemon had not posted that apology on Instagram, the show(s) would have probably remained online. It’s nothing but an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction.

[arista]

For fear of blame on the BBC more like

More hysteria



Yes.


BLM outside the BBC Central London Fear
like they did in USA at CNN HQ in Atlanta.

[Greg!]

Don't really agree with this. I get that it's offensive and people would rightly never make something similar now, but it was a different time culturally (even though it wasn't that long ago but still) and the point of the show was that it was offensive and took the piss out of everyone equally, inlcuding the gays, posh people, fat people, disabled people, chavs etc. If people don't like it they just shouldn't watch?? Freedom of choice exists.

[Greg!]

Catherine Tate was better anyway

Now here's the tea

[Oliver_W]

I don’t see what this is achieving?

If Keith Lemon had not posted that apology on Instagram, the show(s) would have probably remained online. It’s nothing but an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction.

Now that was pathetic, there's nothing to apologise for with Bo Selecta, none of his characters were racial stereotypes, if anything they were all Yorkshire stereotypes with a celebrity name.

Well, apart from Michael Jackson haha

[Amy Jade]

It's not really removing media. Individual channels/streaming services always decide what they do and don't want to broadcast.

If it gets banned/destroyed then it becomes more of an issue IMO.

It's like the statues, removing statues that are glorifying slave traders is one thing, if they tried to remove all of that from the history books altogether is something different.

If they have removed it from all platforms though which is hiding it unless you pay for a DVD which is a bit odd to me, it's simply a show from a different time.

I definitely see where you are coming from but I just don't see the point in hiding it away.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm worried for Dipsy now

:worry:

[Amy Jade]

Now that was pathetic, there's nothing to apologise for with Bo Selecta, none of his characters were racial stereotypes, if anything they were all Yorkshire stereotypes with a celebrity name.

Well, apart from Michael Jackson haha

The Trisha one was quite insensitive to be fair and apparently Trisha Goddard and her family were offended so I see that skit with different eyes now really

[Oliver_W]

The Trisha one was quite insensitive to be fair and apparently Trisha Goddard and her family were offended so I see that skit with different eyes now really

Oh god I forgot all about the Trisha one :laugh: yeahh that one is a bit iffy, but all of the others are frankly fine.

[Marsh.]

If they have removed it from all platforms though which is hiding it unless you pay for a DVD which is a bit odd to me, it's simply a show from a different time.

I definitely see where you are coming from but I just don't see the point in hiding it away.

It's not a rule that they've had to though. BBC, Netflix and NowTV have just decided it's not appropriate for their services in this day and age. Doesn't mean it's not available for you to watch if you want to.

If there was a blanket ban on it I would agree.

[Braden]

Now that was pathetic, there's nothing to apologise for with Bo Selecta, none of his characters were racial stereotypes, if anything they were all Yorkshire stereotypes with a celebrity name.

Well, apart from Michael Jackson haha

I was surprised by his apology, tbh.

I was young when Bo Selecta was on tv but I don’t remember any of the characters being offensive, or it being a point of reference for controversy.

[Amy Jade]

Oh god I forgot all about the Trisha one :laugh: yeahh that one is a bit iffy, but all of the others are frankly fine.

I'm a bit baffled about the backlash for the Mel B character. Mel herself loves it and finds it hilarious and he never made that racial at all, as far as I remember.

[Marsh.]

I don’t see what this is achieving?

If Keith Lemon had not posted that apology on Instagram, the show(s) would have probably remained online. It’s nothing but an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction.

What's Keith Lemon got to do with Little Britain?

Little Britain and its depiction of black characters, transgender characters and gay characters has been a big discussion the last couple of years.

[Oliver_W]

I'm a bit baffled about the backlash for the Mel B character. Mel herself loves it and finds it hilarious and he never made that racial at all, as far as I remember.

I think it's just another target to rage at? The Mel B character is basically Jim Bowen, I don't think the mask is even particularly dark, so there's nothing racial about it at all :shrug:

[Marsh.]

I don't think the mask is even particularly dark

What?

You do realise black people aren't all one shade?

[Mitchell]

As far as I know, Come Fly With Me was due to be removed from Netflix anyway as it was the end of contract, they’d advertised that it was leaving, not sure if little Britain was advertised as leaving too however

[Oliver_W]

What?

You do realise black people aren't all one shade?

Well sure, but it doesn't stand out from Avid's own face, so it can't really be called blackface.

[Marsh.]

Well sure, but it doesn't stand out from Avid's own face

Erm, yes it does.

[DouglasS]

Soon all comedies are going to be removed because so many people are insensitive. What’s next, South Park, family guy, American dad, the simpsons?

[Liam-]

I really don’t see the issue, the shows aren’t being erased, just like the statues being taken down, you’ll still be able to access them if you want to, companies don’t have an obligation to keep shows on their platforms, it’s not like there burning all the dvds in the world

[Marsh.]

Insensitive?

[Mitchell]

What confuses me is why Leigh Francis used the Mel B character with Mel B herself over Christmas 2019 if either perceived It as racist

[Oliver_W]

What confuses me is why Leigh Francis used the Mel B character with Mel B herself over Christmas 2019 if either perceived It as racist
No-one thinks it's racist, he's doing his friend a disservice by expecting people to find it offensive.

Erm, yes it does.
Hardly :laugh:
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[Braden]

What's Keith Lemon got to do with Little Britain?

Little Britain and its depiction of black characters, transgender characters and gay characters has been a big discussion the last couple of years.

Exactly what I said. The removal of content from platforms is a knee-jerk reaction to Keith Lemon/Leigh Francis/whatever you want to call him’s Instagram apology.

Once it was posted, David Walliams and Matt Lucas were sent abuse on social media and there were demands for them to apologise as well. I’m not too privy re this ‘big discussion’ and definitely won’t deny it has received criticism, but what I do know is that a lot of the content from LB and CFWM still circulates on Twitter and it’s mainly laughed at.

[arista]

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[Marsh.]

Exactly what I said. The removal of content from platforms is a knee-jerk reaction to Keith Lemon/Leigh Francis/whatever you want to call him’s Instagram apology.

Once it was posted, David Walliams and Matt Lucas were sent abuse on social media and there were demands for them to apologise as well. I’m not too privy re this ‘big discussion’ and definitely won’t deny it has received criticism, but what I do know is that a lot of the content from LB and CFWM still circulates on Twitter and it’s mainly laughed at.

That's odd they would receive that considering Matt Lucas especially has been apologising an awful lot for the Little Britain content for a while.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

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God what ****ing moron is being paid to come up with these terrible headlines

[arista]

God what ****ing moron is being paid to come up with these terrible headlines


Scott
they need to sell that paper
some will buy it.

It is Hard Times for papers



Lots of WH Smiths are still closed.

[Withano]

Fair enough. It didn’t age well at all.

I feel like snipping the bits out would be a more sensible solution though.

[Marsh.]

God what ****ing moron is being paid to come up with these terrible headlines

Matt Lucas and David Walliams made millions writing it. :hee:

[Shaun]

Ehhh it was pretty bad comedy anyway. Found it funny at the time because I was 13.

[GiRTh]

Not the best of British comedy and never was. I wont miss it.

[Rob!]

Good, it was one of the unfunniest programmes ever put to film anyway.

[Kizzy]

What's Keith Lemon got to do with Little Britain?

Little Britain and its depiction of black characters, transgender characters and gay characters has been a big discussion the last couple of years.

It's blackface isn't it?..not one blackface but 4.

[Ramsay]

I know I'm irish so I'm probably biased but **** this show it was always so terrible

[Ninastar]

This is stupid, are they gonna take down the ‘only gay in the village’ skit too or is that not offensive enough?

British humour is mostly offensive humour. And it’s one of the things I miss most about the UK

[Shaun]

This is stupid, are they gonna take down the ‘only gay in the village’ skit too or is that not offensive enough?

1) They've taken the whole show down
2) That would be a sketch where the character playing a gay male is... a gay male. Which isn't...really problematic.

[Marsh.]

It's blackface isn't it?..not one blackface but 4.

What?

[Cherie]

It was crap anyway, never got the love for it

[Kizzy]

What?

He, a white male, blacked up to play 4 black characters with accentuated features.
Blackface.

[armand.kay]

I'm not against this move or anything but I don't think anybody actually asked for this?

[armand.kay]

Maybe the bbc saw everything that going on and decided to cover their own back

[armand.kay]

white people in here acting like they'll get shot for going on amazon and buying it... (you can even pirate it if you're cheeky)

[Beso]

Intentional blackfacing can never be funny.

[Marsh.]

He, a white male, blacked up to play 4 black characters with accentuated features.
Blackface.

Right? I have watched Bo Selecta. This information doesn't answer my question.

What's Keith Lemon got to do with Little Britain?

[Kizzy]

Right? I have watched Bo Selecta. This information doesn't answer my question.

Imo they are the same if we are holding one show up as an example of what is inappropriate content then they both are.

I didn't raise Bo selecta or keith lemon as an issue for discussion on this thread but it is relevant to it.

[Marsh.]

Imo they are the same if we are holding one show up as an example of what is inappropriate content then they both are.

I didn't raise Bo selecta or keith lemon as an issue for discussion on this thread but it is relevant to it.

I didn't say you did. You responded to a question I asked the member that did. :hee:

[Jessica.]

I found some parts of the show funny when I was a child but even then I found the blackface distasteful. I don't see a problem with them not streaming it, people can buy it if they want to watch it.

[Kizzy]

I didn't say you did. You responded to a question I asked the member that did. :hee:

You may have done but my response to that question is they are the same, if you remove one you have to remove both.

[Marsh.]

You may have done but my response to that question is they are the same, if you remove one you have to remove both.

I don't think the BBC removed it because of anything to do with Keith Lemon.

Just as HBO Max have done with Gone with the Wind.

[Kizzy]

Fair play then, it's really odd I would laugh at little britain but Bo selecta I hated...couldn't watch it. It ruined Craig Davids career too for a long time didn't it?

[Oliver_W]

Fair play then, it's really odd I would laugh at little britain but Bo selecta I hated...couldn't watch it. It ruined Craig Davids career too for a long time didn't it?

Yeah it basically destroyed his ability to be taken seriously. Even at his angriest I don't think CD thought it was racist, but one might say it's a cruel "impression"

[Ninastar]

1) They've taken the whole show down
2) That would be a sketch where the character playing a gay male is... a gay male. Which isn't...really problematic.

It’s stupid because they make fun of everyone... including themselves. It’s not as though they are making fun of someone because of their skin colour. It’s just a character they are portraying.

It’s just dumb because I feel like no one actually complained about it and now the super right wing ppl are gonna claim that it was taken down because people are pathetic and complain about everything

[Denver]

Bo Selecta has been removed from 4OD

[Marsh.]

It’s just dumb because I feel like no one actually complained about it

Where've you been? People have complained about it since it was originally aired. :joker:

[bots]

gone with the wind has .... gone with the wind on HBO

[Ninastar]

Where've you been? People have complained about it since it was originally aired. :joker:

I just mean, why now? It’s completely random...the show is what, 15 years old? Why is it only seen as unnecessarily offensive now?

[armand.kay]

I just mean, why now? It’s completely random...the show is what, 15 years old? Why is it only seen as unnecessarily offensive now?

Maybe streaming services don’t want it on their platform after recent events...


why are people so upset over this it’s not been removed from the face of the earth

[Livia]

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Eddie Murphy whited up to play a large-nosed Jew with a Yiddish accent.

I thought it was funny. He's an comedy actor.

[Livia]

gone with the wind has .... gone with the wind on HBO

I thought Gone with the Wind clearly showed the inequality. Maybe we're going to just overlook slavery completely and pretend everything was fine and dandy for black people 150 years ago in the USA.

[Oliver_W]

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Eddie Murphy whited up to play a large-nosed Jew with a Yiddish accent.

I thought it was funny. He's an comedy actor.
That doesn't count because Jews have never been discriminated against :fist:

[letmein]

Little Britain and Catherine Tate were **** shows. All they were were one catch phrases repeated ten billion times. Ricky Gervais created an entire show about it Extras which highlighted how these two shows dumbed down British comedy. We were then left with Miranda and Mrs Brown’s Boys, the very worst of British television.

[Jessica.]

Little Britain and Catherine Tate were **** shows. All they were were one catch phrases repeated ten billion times. Ricky Gervais created an entire shoe about it Extras which highlighted how these two shows dumbed down British comedy. We’re we’re then left with Miranda and Mrs Brown’s Boys, the very worst of British television.

Finally, someone with TASTE. go off sis

[Oliver_W]

Ricky Gervais created an entire shoe about it

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[letmein]

Soon all comedies are going to be removed because so many people are insensitive. What’s next, South Park, family guy, American dad, the simpsons?

They already demanded that Apu be removed from The Simpsons.

[Cherie]

Little Britain and Catherine Tate were **** shows. All they were were one catch phrases repeated ten billion times. Ricky Gervais created an entire show about it Extras which highlighted how these two shows dumbed down British comedy. We were then left with Miranda and Mrs Brown’s Boys, the very worst of British television.

:clap1: absolutely awful shows

[Oliver_W]

Not Going Out is pretty good, if a bit middling. What else is there? I can't think of any other current BBC comedies D:

[Strictly Jake]

Not Going Out is pretty good, if a bit middling. What else is there? I can't think of any other current BBC comedies D:

Not current but car share was great and recent and was gavin and staceys recent episode

[Oliver_W]

Not current but car share was great and recent and was gavin and staceys recent episode

Ohhhh yeah! It'd be cool if a Christmas special for G+S could be a regular thing, I've often thought they should do that with My Family.

[Strictly Jake]

Oh wait people did get offended by the christmas episode of gavin and stacey too

[Oliver_W]

Oh wait people did get offended by the christmas episode of gavin and stacey too

Oh god of course they did :laugh: :rolleyes:

[GoldHeart]

While I see it is insensitive now I don't think removing media helps. What's next?

If they think that's offensive what about face jacker ?? , however I'm not a fan of little Britain

[Zizu]

https://news.sky.com/story/little-britain-removed-from-iplayer-and-netflix-after-blackface-criticism-12003558



What a strange day .. two Chrisopher Columbus statues destroyed , Gone With The Wind and Of Mice and Men due to be banned ..


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[Oliver_W]

What a strange day .. two Chrisopher Columbus statues destroyed , Gone With The Wind and Of Mice and Men due to be banned ..


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Modern book burning :dance:

[Marsh.]

Gone With The Wind and Of Mice and Men due to be banned ..


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Fake news.

They've been taken down from streaming services for the time being whilst the world is going through what it is and will be put back up in the future and take their places within their own historical context. You want to watch or read either? YOU CAN.

Nothing to do with heaps of metal that serve no purpose other than to idolise people who should not be idolised.

[Marsh.]

Little Britain and Catherine Tate were **** shows. All they were were one catch phrases repeated ten billion times. Ricky Gervais created an entire show about it Extras which highlighted how these two shows dumbed down British comedy. We were then left with Miranda and Mrs Brown’s Boys, the very worst of British television.

Well I don't think this is entirely true. Sketch shows were around long before LB.

British comedy is only seen in the state you claim it is if your view of it is through the traditional (and now very dated) studio sitcom. That's not where you're going to find the quality. That's where you'll find traditional and safe/nostalgic comedy.

It's like complaining music is dead because you don't like the top 40. Broaden your horizons. :hee:

[Marsh.]

I thought Gone with the Wind clearly showed the inequality. Maybe we're going to just overlook slavery completely and pretend everything was fine and dandy for black people 150 years ago in the USA.

I think it's more to do with the stereotypes than whether it showed inequality.

[Marsh.]

I just mean, why now? It’s completely random...the show is what, 15 years old? Why is it only seen as unnecessarily offensive now?

Again... it's not. Matt Lucas has been apologising for it in every interview he's done for years. :joker:

[Zizu]

Fake news.



They've been taken down from streaming services for the time being whilst the world is going through what it is and will be put back up in the future and take their places within their own historical context. You want to watch or read either? YOU CAN.



Nothing to do with heaps of metal that serve no purpose other than to idolise people who should not be idolised.



To be fair I don’t care for statues anyways.

I think it’s setting a bad example to our youth showing that they can just go and basically destroy anything and get away Scott Free


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Plenty "racism" in The Office if u recall

Let's throw Gervais into the harbour the fat white supremacist pig

[bots]

the reason they are being taken off the platforms is that they are not watched by many people anyway, and it's more hassle to keep them now as all they were was filler content

[armand.kay]

i feel like people don't get the difference between a show poking fun at bigots and racists and a show literally having the cast in black face....

[Marsh.]

To be fair I don’t care for statues anyways.

I think it’s setting a bad example to our youth showing that they can just go and basically destroy anything and get away Scott Free


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I would politely say you don't really understand them then.

[Zizu]

I would politely say you don't really understand them then.


The large majority of our young people are great but there are some who simply don’t respect authority/ people / or property.

They’re the ones I’m concerned about ..


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[Marsh.]

The large majority of our young people are great but there are some who simply don’t respect authority/ people / or property.

They’re the ones I’m concerned about ..


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They're called teenagers. :hehe:

[madman411]

It's getting out of hand now. Little Britain was made to be a shocker. I remember watching it and couldn't believe some of the acts they did - but they were funny (for the most part). Same with Bo Selecta.

This "preventative maintenance" of their program libraries is a waste of time. Things are so widely available on the internet now, so whether or not Channel 4 or BBC pull programming from their platforms fortunately it's still easily obtainable.

The way things are going I'm concerned things are going to be so PC and overly censored that free speech will no longer exist how we once knew it.

[Glenn.]

If its so widely available on the web then whats the problem for a streaming company to remove it from their service?

[Zizu]

They're called teenagers. :hehe:



No ... there are many over 18 who display as antisocial behaviour it’s certainly not teenagers who are alone in that respect


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[Kizzy]

I think it's more to do with the stereotypes than whether it showed inequality.

The main character had a slave.

[Tom4784]

If its so widely available on the web then whats the problem for a streaming company to remove it from their service?

Shh, don't apply logic to the 'PC gone mad!' brigade.

[Marsh.]

Little Britain was made to be a shocker.

How is this a defence?

They INTENDED it to be offensive? Really helps it now.

[Marsh.]

The way things are going I'm concerned things are going to be so PC and overly censored that free speech will no longer exist how we once knew it.

This is NOT censorship ffs. It's a production company deciding what they do and do not want to distribute, which is THEIR freedom. The material is NOT banned.

[Marsh.]

The main character had a slave.

:joker:

Yes, I know. The depiction of slavery itself is not grounds for it being removed. Contextually, it is correct. It is the PORTRAYAL of it, glamourising and using stereotypes.

Hence why HBO Max said when it returns they hope they can have more balanced material alongside it that depict the REALITY of slavery that isn't romanticised in a Hollywood epic.

[Beso]

I think the question you all need to ask yourselves is.."can intentional blackfacing be seen as funny"

[Oliver_W]

It's a bit like Karen-like to want everything banned that makes one choose to feel "offended" :laugh:

[Nicky91]

It's a bit like Karen-like to want everything banned that makes one choose to feel "offended" :laugh:

don't get me wrong, when i say this

fiction and reality are 2 different things so yes i can understand the PC world is bothering some people


so yeah reality shows like Cops ok fair to ban that


but yeah i guess it's more the ''based upon real life'' term


overall i find this a very difficult, complicated matter

[Zizu]

I think the question you all need to ask yourselves is.."can intentional blackfacing be seen as funny"



I thought that all went away with the Black and White Minstrels .. Incidentally I wonder why they didn’t just use black singers ??


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[Oliver_W]

I thought that all went away with the Black and White Minstrels .. Incidentally I wonder why they didn’t just use black singers ??

Because that wasn't the point, they were literally mocking black stereotypes rather than trying to emulate real black people.

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[Kazanne]

Because that wasn't the point, they were literally mocking black stereotypes rather than trying to emulate real black people.

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People are now saying the movie 'White Chicks' should be pulled,have you seen it ? I haven't ,but apparently there are two black guys whited up as white women :laugh: also people saying the Pyramids need to come down now as they were built by slaves, what are your thoughts on that ? are we going too far /

[Strictly Jake]

White chicks is hilarious

[Livia]

That doesn't count because Jews have never been discriminated against :fist:

Of course Oliver, how stupid of me to forget.

[Oliver_W]

People are now saying the movie 'White Chicks' should be pulled,have you seen it ? I haven't ,but apparently there are two black guys whited up as white women :laugh: also people saying the Pyramids need to come down now as they were built by slaves, what are your thoughts on that ? are we going too far /

White chicks is hilarious

White Chicks is great. I'm not gonna play the "whatabout" game, if people find White Chicks offensive they're free to petition whatever platforms it's on, and ask them to remove it.

The answer they should get is the same answer the places hosting the other comedies in question should have given - get a grip and watch something else.

[Livia]

Let's start a list of things we can't laugh about. We can have people with no sense of humour police it, and tell us what we should and shouldn't find insulting.

[Liam-]

People are now saying the movie 'White Chicks' should be pulled,have you seen it ? I haven't ,but apparently there are two black guys whited up as white women :laugh: also people saying the Pyramids need to come down now as they were built by slaves, what are your thoughts on that ? are we going too far /

You’ll probably find that the only people suggesting those things are people trying to mock and belittle the feelings of black people

[Livia]

You’ll probably find that the only people suggesting those things are people trying to mock and belittle the feelings of black people

And thereby really upsetting all you woke white people.

[Liam-]

And thereby really upsetting all you woke white people.

Who’s upset and who’s woke?

[user104658]

Plenty "racism" in The Office if u recall

Let's throw Gervais into the harbour the fat white supremacist pig

Did... did you watch the office? Have you heard Ricky Gervais talk about the office? You know what it's about, right, and are just being deliberately obtuse?

In The Office - the entire POINT of The Office - is that Brent isn't telling jokes that are funny ... Brent is the joke. And even then it's not intended that he's a joke to be laughed at - he's a joke to be pitied, because he does these things to try to impress people and make people like him... he tries to be "a friendly funny guy" because he's sad and lonely. But people don't think he's funny. His jokes are completely misjudged and fall flat. They think he's awkward and sexist/racist/whatever. That's literally the whole show.

[Nicky91]

Let's start a list of things we can't laugh about. We can have people with no sense of humour police it, and tell us what we should and shouldn't find insulting.

i get it, sarcasm from you :laugh:

but anyway it goes a bit too far now, comedies for example are meant for light entertainment purposes, not to be taken serious

the only ones going too far for me personally are some stand up comedians but then again i never have been a huge fan of stand up comedy with all honesty

[Livia]

Did... did you watch the office? Have you heard Ricky Gervais talk about the office? You know what it's about, right, and are just being deliberately obtuse?

In The Office - the entire POINT of The Office - is that Brent isn't telling jokes that are funny ... Brent is the joke. And even then it's not intended that he's a joke to be laughed at - he's a joke to be pitied, because he does these things to try to impress people and make people like him... he tries to be "a friendly funny guy" because he's sad and lonely. But people don't think he's funny. His jokes are completely misjudged and fall flat. They think he's awkward and sexist/racist/whatever. That's literally the whole show.

Alf Garnet was also the joke. But people didn't get that and still don't.

[Oliver_W]

Did... did you watch the office? Have you heard Ricky Gervais talk about the office? You know what it's about, right, and are just being deliberately obtuse?

In The Office - the entire POINT of The Office - is that Brent isn't telling jokes that are funny ... Brent is the joke. And even then it's not intended that he's a joke to be laughed at - he's a joke to be pitied, because he does these things to try to impress people and make people like him... he tries to be "a friendly funny guy" because he's sad and lonely. But people don't think he's funny. His jokes are completely misjudged and fall flat. They think he's awkward and sexist/racist/whatever. That's literally the whole show.
To be fair, the part when the black guy didn't care about Brent's "joke" and it turned out the complaint came from a stuckup white woman was somewhat prophetic :laugh: From what I've seen at least it's usually middle-class white folks who jump on the banned-wagon for things they think are offensive, while the "targets" just ignore it :shrug:

[user104658]

Let's start a list of things we can't laugh about. We can have people with no sense of humour police it, and tell us what we should and shouldn't find insulting.

Hmm. There's a difference between what you should and shouldn't find funny or insulting, and the ability to appreciate that what other people find insulting, and where the line is, in different social situations.

I think there's stuff in Little Britain that can pass in a stand-up comedy but not in a mainstream TV show. And lots of things in stand-up that just can't and shouldn't be in mainstream (essentially) "family telly".

Me and my wife say and laugh about things at home that we would not in public. Me and my friends say things in WhatsApp groups that we would never say on a public forum or open social media.

No one is telling you what you're privately allowed to find funny or what you "should" find insulting. You can disagree with someone and still have consideration for them.

[Oliver_W]

Alf Garnet was also the joke. But people didn't get that and still don't.

It's like that part in Fawlty Towers that is sometimes trimmed out.

The Major was (sort of) discussing the difference between N-words and "w*gs" (I've only ever head that word on Fawlty Towers, not counting Gollywog dolls,so I guess it's outdated?) and even the bigoted Basil was trying to change the subject to shut him up :laugh

[user104658]

To be fair, the part when the black guy didn't care about Brent's "joke" and it turned out the complaint came from a stuckup white woman was somewhat prophetic :laugh: From what I've seen at least it's usually middle-class white folks who jump on the banned-wagon for things they think are offensive, while the "targets" just ignore it :shrug:

Because the targets have gotten used to it and don't have the level of privilege required to feel like they can openly and loudly complain about it whilst remaining firmly "in the right". White people complain louder because they feel like their complaints will be taken seriously. One of the great ironies of the nuance of privilege.

[Oliver_W]

Because the targets have gotten used to it and don't have the level of privilege required to feel like they can openly and loudly complain about it whilst remaining firmly "in the right". White people complain louder because they feel like their complaints will be taken seriously. One of the great ironies of the nuance of privilege.

Then white people should be insulted more :laugh: Everyone is a fair target, leave the old things up and make new things!

[Livia]

Hmm. There's a difference between what you should and shouldn't find funny or insulting, and the ability to appreciate that what other people find insulting, and where the line is, in different social situations.

I think there's stuff in Little Britain that can pass in a stand-up comedy but not in a mainstream TV show. And lots of things in stand-up that just can't and shouldn't be in mainstream (essentially) "family telly".

Me and my wife say and laugh about things at home that we would not in public. Me and my friends say things in WhatsApp groups that we would never say on a public forum or open social media.

No one is telling you what you're privately allowed to find funny or what you "should" find insulting. You can disagree with someone and still have consideration for them.

Henning Wehn the German comedian made a couple of Holocaust jokes on Live at the Apollo. I didn't see anyone demand he is taken off TV. I didn't see the usual long line of white Anglo Saxons making threads and saying how disgusting it was.

If we tell people what they can laugh at, what's next? Telling people what they can read?

[user104658]

It's like that part in Fawlty Towers that is sometimes trimmed out.

The Major was (sort of) discussing the difference between N-words and "w*gs" (I've only ever head that word on Fawlty Towers, not counting Gollywog dolls,so I guess it's outdated?) and even the bigoted Basil was trying to change the subject to shut him up :laugh

Indeed, Fawlty Towers was one of the pioneers of the "genre", so to speak. You're not supposed to agree with Basil Fawlty. You're not supposed to agree with his treatment of Manuel. Basil is the joke. That's why Sybil and (especially) Polly exist - to highlight how absurd Basil Fawlty is. It was a show quite ahead of it's time in many ways. It could easily be described as feminist :think:.

[Oliver_W]

Indeed, Fawlty Towers was one of the pioneers of the "genre", so to speak. You're not supposed to agree with Basil Fawlty. You're not supposed to agree with his treatment of Manuel. Basil is the joke. That's why Sybil and (especially) Polly exist - to highlight how absurd Basil Fawlty is. It was a show quite ahead of it's time in many ways. It could easily be described as feminist :think:.

Sure, John Cleese describes himself as a Liberal, and it was co-written by Connie Booth! I don't know anything about her apart from Fawlty Towers, but still :laugh:

[Nicky91]

Henning Wehn the German comedian made a couple of Holocaust jokes on Live at the Apollo. I didn't see anyone demand he is taken off TV. I didn't see the usual long line of white Anglo Saxons making threads and saying how disgusting it was.

If we tell people what they can laugh at, what's next? Telling people what they can read?

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/2c14gr/a_german_comedian_making_fun_of_the_holocaust_the/

you mean this, Liv

[user104658]

Henning Wehn the German comedian made a couple of Holocaust jokes on Live at the Apollo. I didn't see anyone demand he is taken off TV. I didn't see the usual long line of white Anglo Saxons making threads and saying how disgusting it was.

If we tell people what they can laugh at, what's next? Telling people what they can read?

But I specifically pointed out that stand-up comedy is distinctly different to prime time family television? Whether or not Little Britain was ever intended to be that isn't really relevant; it became that.

I also specifically said it's not about telling people what they can or can't find funny. You can find something funny and still have consideration for those who you know won't find it funny.

For what it's worth I'm not a huge fan of "erasing history" - I don't think there's much sense in pulling or censoring things that have already been made and aired, in time it'll only distort historical perspective. We can look back on old shows from the 60's and think "Ooooh, that wouldn't fly these days" and appreciate and understand why. I wonder how people will be able to do that in 40 years time if we pretend that shows from the 2000's never existed?

But I say that still fully recognising why it simply isn't funny for many people, and for many reasons.

[Nicky91]

But I specifically pointed out that stand-up comedy is distinctly different to prime time family television? Whether or not Little Britain was ever intended to be that isn't really relevant; it became that.

I also specifically said it's not about telling people what they can or can't find funny. You can find something funny and still have consideration for those who you know won't find it funny.

For what it's worth I'm not a huge fan of "erasing history" - I don't think there's much sense in pulling or censoring things that have already been made and aired, in time it'll only distort historical perspective. We can look back on old shows from the 60's and think "Ooooh, that wouldn't fly these days" and appreciate and understand why. I wonder how people will be able to do that in 40 years time if we pretend that shows from the 2000's never existed?

But I say that still fully recognising why it simply isn't funny for many people, and for many reasons.

yes here in Netherlands, we got a Nostalgia TV channel, basically lots of old shows being re-aired there

we also have one comedian, one of our comedy icons you can easily call him, André van Duin, his shows from back then wouldn't be appropriate now, however he himself is still very popular also with younger people, having adapted to modern day TV industry as presenter for dutch bake off, as for his comedy he just makes random cheesy humour songs for carnaval here (where that is still allowed, since it is for light entertainment purpose)

[Livia]

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/2c14gr/a_german_comedian_making_fun_of_the_holocaust_the/

you mean this, Liv

That's not the one I saw. But I do think he's hilarious. Imagine, a German comedian! (stereotyping the Germans now).

[Livia]

But I specifically pointed out that stand-up comedy is distinctly different to prime time family television? Whether or not Little Britain was ever intended to be that isn't really relevant; it became that.

I also specifically said it's not about telling people what they can or can't find funny. You can find something funny and still have consideration for those who you know won't find it funny.

For what it's worth I'm not a huge fan of "erasing history" - I don't think there's much sense in pulling or censoring things that have already been made and aired, in time it'll only distort historical perspective. We can look back on old shows from the 60's and think "Ooooh, that wouldn't fly these days" and appreciate and understand why. I wonder how people will be able to do that in 40 years time if we pretend that shows from the 2000's never existed?

But I say that still fully recognising why it simply isn't funny for many people, and for many reasons.

Where do we draw the line though? There's no one-size-fits-all legislation for this. Humour can be cruel. And people are teased for all sorts of reasons

It does make me smile that this current generation of young people doesn't understand that this feeling that you're going to be the generation that changes the world.... are at the end of a long line of generations that thought the same.

[Oliver_W]

Where do we draw the line though? There's no one-size-fits-all legislation for this. Humour can be cruel. And people are teased for all sorts of reasons

It does make me smile that this current generation of young people doesn't understand that this feeling that you're going to be the generation that changes the world.... are at the end of a long line of generations that thought the same.

The only things which should be taken off the table are calls to violence. Otherwise, every single type of person should be mocked and laughed at, if that's the kind of "comedy" they want to produce or watch :)

[Zizu]

Because that wasn't the point, they were literally mocking black stereotypes rather than trying to emulate real black people.



https://i.pinimg.com/236x/03/95/58/039558760012fe1a612629127604e933--minstrel-show-sunday-night.jpg



My point is WHY mock anyone .. why didn’t they just have a white singers and black singers ??

It’s not as though there weren’t great black singers around at the time


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[Braden]

The League of Gentlemen and The Mighty Boosh have also been dropped from Netflix.

[The Slim Reaper]

I was talking to my dad the other day, and we were talking about the statues and TV programmes and he told me about a show in the 80's called mini-pops that was just basically tv for paedo's.

I watched a few clips on YT the other day as there's not much around anymore and it was completely shocking to watch through a 2020 lens.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

I was talking to my dad the other day, and we were talking about the statues and TV programmes and he told me about a show in the 80's called mini-pops that was just basically tv for paedo's.

I watched a few clips on YT the other day as there's not much around anymore and it was completely shocking to watch through a 2020 lens.

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But your dad is obviously not a Paedo so why did he watch it?

[Kizzy]

I was talking to my dad the other day, and we were talking about the statues and TV programmes and he told me about a show in the 80's called mini-pops that was just basically tv for paedo's.

I watched a few clips on YT the other day as there's not much around anymore and it was completely shocking to watch through a 2020 lens.

yqNAIyLPsb8

wG0KqgCwdzo

My daughter had a video very similar called pop skool, she loved it! :/

[arista]

The League of Gentlemen and The Mighty Boosh have also been dropped from Netflix.


[Noel Fielding's The Mighty Boosh becomes latest show to be pulled from Netflix over scenes containing blackface.]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/11/01/29413904-0-Noel_Fielding_as_The_Spirit_of_Jazz_-a-389_1591835596271.jpg
[In the bin: The Mighty Boosh
joins The League Of Gentlemen and Little Britain
in being pulled from Netflix over scenes
containing blackface. The BBC comedy show features
a character called The Spirit Of Jazz,
portrayed by Noel Fielding [pictured] ]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8408783/The-Mighty-Boosh-latest-pulled-Netflix-scenes-containing-blackface.html

[Oliver_W]

[Noel Fielding's The Mighty Boosh becomes latest show to be pulled from Netflix over scenes containing blackface.]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/11/01/29413904-0-Noel_Fielding_as_The_Spirit_of_Jazz_-a-389_1591835596271.jpg
[In the bin: The Mighty Boosh
joins The League Of Gentlemen and Little Britain
in being pulled from Netflix over scenes
containing blackface. The BBC comedy show features
a character called The Spirit Of Jazz,
portrayed by Noel Fielding [pictured] ]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8408783/The-Mighty-Boosh-latest-pulled-Netflix-scenes-containing-blackface.html

:joker:

That looks more like a sugar skull than blackface.

[arista]

:joker:

That looks more like a sugar skull than blackface.

Netflix and BBC in a Rush panic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Love the Mighty Boosh

It's being pulled for fear of blame not because anyone thinks or cares anyone is offended

[arista]

Love the Mighty Boosh

It's being pulled for fear of blame not because anyone thinks or cares anyone is offended


Love your Avatar LT
the Man that saved us from Nazi Germany

[Crimson Dynamo]

Love your Avatar LT
the Man that saved us from Nazi Germany

Yes a hero to all the great British public

[Kizzy]

Yes a hero to all the great British public

As Basil once said 'nobody mention India'!!!... What do you mean he never said that? :/

[arista]

As Basil once said 'nobody mention India'!!!... What do you mean he never said that? :/


Yes Fair Criticism Kizzy.

But as he saved GB from the Nazi take over
he is our Hero.
Or we would all be speaking German , now

[Kizzy]

Yes Fair Criticism Kizzy.

But as he saved GB from the Nazi take over
he is our Hero.
Or we would all be speaking German , now

He was one of many, he wasn't a one man band.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes Fair Criticism Kizzy.

But as he saved GB from the Nazi take over
he is our Hero.
Or we would all be speaking German , now

Russian.

[arista]

He was one of many, he wasn't a one man band.


Of Course
we all know that
but he was in charge.

[arista]

Russian.



Do not forget the Nazi Team that made the V2
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Aggregat4-Schnitt-engl.jpg/300px-Aggregat4-Schnitt-engl.jpg


The First Ever Deadly War Rocket
that could fly across nations
they could stop Russia.

[Marsh.]

People are now saying the movie 'White Chicks' should be pulled,have you seen it ? I haven't ,but apparently there are two black guys whited up as white women :laugh: also people saying the Pyramids need to come down now as they were built by slaves, what are your thoughts on that ? are we going too far /

I might be completely wrong here but wasn't that a belief debunked by historians?

[Zizu]

Where do we draw the line though? There's no one-size-fits-all legislation for this. Humour can be cruel. And people are teased for all sorts of reasons



It does make me smile that this current generation of young people doesn't understand that this feeling that you're going to be the generation that changes the world.... are at the end of a long line of generations that thought the same.



The problem maybe the people ‘drawing the line’ to be honest .. things could get crazy when you’ve got people naming the Colosseum Amphitheatre as it has links to slave fighting ..


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[Tom4784]

Streaming services choosing not to air a comedy series on their platform is not the end of free speech.

[Braden]

Streaming services choosing not to air a comedy series on their platform is not the end of free speech.

It may not be the end of free speech but it doesn't say much about what the future of comedy will look like once everything is deemed offensive.

[Tom4784]

It may not be the end of free speech but it doesn't say much about what the future of comedy will look like once everything is deemed offensive.

Plenty of offensive humour shows are still around, South Park looks at the outrage and shrugs and it keeps chugging on. It's so weak willed to be like 'Oh everything is offensive now :( Guess we can't have certain kinds of humour because an imaginary 'they' said so!'. No one is stopping anyone from having an edgy sense of humour or telling borderline jokes. Many **** comedians cry about how offense culture is killing their comedy, good comedians carry on regardless.

'I'm offended' shouldn't bother anyone with a spine to stick to their creative endeavors.

[Braden]

Plenty of offensive humour shows are still around, South Park looks at the outrage and shrugs and it keeps chugging on. It's so weak willed to be like 'Oh everything is offensive now :( Guess we can't have certain kinds of humour because an imaginary 'they' said so!'. No one is stopping anyone from having an edgy sense of humour or telling borderline jokes. Many **** comedians cry about how offense culture is killing their comedy, good comedians carry on regardless.

'I'm offended' shouldn't bother anyone with a spine to stick to their creative endeavors.

I really hope you're right but this could be the beginning of a really rubbish turn for comedy. The problem is, there is no imaginary 'they'. There are people who are sensitive to comedy. They're the ones who are happy this content is being removed. It wouldn't surprise me if these were the same people the comedians you reference are talking about.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Now the hysteria bandwagon vis coming for Gavin and Stacey (see DM)

:joker:

No one is going to take BLM seriously if this continues apace

[Marsh.]

It may not be the end of free speech but it doesn't say much about what the future of comedy will look like once everything is deemed offensive.

A future of comedy without sketch comedy looks like a bloody good one. :laugh:

[Braden]

A future of comedy without sketch comedy looks like a bloody good one. :laugh:

I must have a crap sense of humour because I love sketch comedy, lmao.

[Marsh.]

I must have a crap sense of humour because I love sketch comedy, lmao.

No. Different strokes and that.

Sketches can be funny, it's the repetition that I can't stand.

[Oliver_W]

Monty Python more or less have the market on sketch comedy. They had virtually no catchphrases, every sketch had different "characters", and nothing I can think of has "problematic" aspects, it's just silliness.

[Braden]

I do have rubbish humour because I LOVED Smack the Pony.

[Marsh.]

I do have rubbish humour because I LOVED Smack the Pony.

Tbf, some of their material was really funny. I stress some.

[arista]

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Again
it was withdrawn before
over something said

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/11/23/29509070-0-image-m-7_1591915887399.jpg

[Nicky91]

Now the hysteria bandwagon vis coming for Gavin and Stacey (see DM)

:joker:

No one is going to take BLM seriously if this continues apace

for the first time ever in a long while i agree with you LT

i don't think they should be taking down anything from movies, series


i think all people who for now aren't aware yet of this racism problem, it should be highlighted via documentaries how big this problem is

and i mean global efforts then with documentaries, racism awareness meetings (but now due to corona that can also work via skype conferencing very easily)

i mean BLM and being against racism entirely are good causes to fight for

but taking away movie, series content is something i personally do not agree with, also the movies, series what is loved by millions of people for light entertainment purposes

[Jake.]

Now the hysteria bandwagon vis coming for Gavin and Stacey (see DM)

:joker:

No one is going to take BLM seriously if this continues apace

And that’s exactly why the right-wing press are doing what they’re doing.

Fake headlines like “IS THE INBETWEENERS NEXT?!?” - It’s just another way of turning more people against the BLM movement. But then, those sort of people never really cared about BLM anyway.

[Oliver_W]

And that’s exactly why the right-wing press are doing what they’re doing.

Fake headlines like “IS THE INBETWEENERS NEXT?!?” - It’s just another way of turning more people against the BLM movement. But then, those sort of people never really cared about BLM anyway.

To be fair, there is a danger nonsense like that could stoke a(n actual) rise in far right sensibilities. Stuff like looting, defacing monuments, and removing media just gives fuel to the fire.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And that’s exactly why the right-wing press are doing what they’re doing.

Fake headlines like “IS THE INBETWEENERS NEXT?!?” - It’s just another way of turning more people against the BLM movement. But then, those sort of people never really cared about BLM anyway.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/inbetweeners-episodes-pulled-youtube-fans-22174190


Oops

[Oliver_W]

Indeed, Fawlty Towers was one of the pioneers of the "genre", so to speak. You're not supposed to agree with Basil Fawlty. You're not supposed to agree with his treatment of Manuel. Basil is the joke. That's why Sybil and (especially) Polly exist - to highlight how absurd Basil Fawlty is. It was a show quite ahead of it's time in many ways. It could easily be described as feminist :think:.

I was rewatching Fawlty last night, I forgot how funny it is :laugh:

I agree it could be called feminist, in a way :laugh: Basil's not exactly stupid, I think the "stupid husband" trope came a bit later, but he's certainly not someone we're supposed to like :laugh:

I found it weird how the N and W slurs were being used for Indians?! I don't know if Cleese and Booth just weren't on top of their racism jingo, or that joke was that the Major was wrong?

[Livia]

I'm tired of comedy being stripped down by people with no sense of humour. I want to know when the book burning starts.

[Nicky91]

I'm tired of comedy being stripped down by people with no sense of humour. I want to know when the book burning starts.

yes it really is one big mess when some don't get the purpose and concept of ''light entertainment'' :bored:


and i'm not here to defend stand up comedy cause some of those go too far, quite a lot of times



same here with ''Zwarte Piet'' with the Sinterklaas thing, has never been bothering anyone, and suddenly now in this PC world it has to change :idc:

same as ''chocolate kisses'' which were called ''N-Word'' kisses (not gonna say the word but hopefully you understand which word relating to black people i mean, but it's kinda also a swear word towards them so not saying it more for that reason)

there really also doesn't need to be a problem, if people start to be less racist in the world, more equality

[Liam-]

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[Zizu]

I'm tired of comedy being stripped down by people with no sense of humour. I want to know when the book burning starts.



They’ve pulled Of Mice and Men ...


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[user104658]

They’ve pulled Of Mice and Men ...


Pulled it from where? Source?

[Kizzy]

And that’s exactly why the right-wing press are doing what they’re doing.

Fake headlines like “IS THE INBETWEENERS NEXT?!?” - It’s just another way of turning more people against the BLM movement. But then, those sort of people never really cared about BLM anyway.

I agree with this, we are being diverted away from the real issues here...When did comedians become the problem?

Take down every insensitive comedy show you like and you still have racists running the UK and the US. :/

[Kizzy]

Pulled it from where? Source?

It was part of the GCSE curriculum wasn't it, mind you so was Animal Farm years ago wonder why that isn't now?...

[Zizu]

Pulled it from where? Source?



It was everywhere days ago .. same time as they withdrew Gone with the Wind


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[Marsh.]

It was everywhere days ago .. same time as they withdrew Gone with the Wind


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"Everywhere"?

Gone with the Wind has been removed from HBO Max.

[Zizu]

"Everywhere"?



Gone with the Wind has been removed from HBO Max.

Jesus just try offering something constructive or remotely interesting to the conversations .. . do you never tire of knitpicking or finding fault with everyone’s posts ?

The news was ‘everywhere’ ... not banned /withdrawn everywhere






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[Tom4784]

I just did a google search and literally nothing came up about Of Mice & Men being removed from anywhere. I searched for the title itself, added news and then the names of various news sites yet nothing came up.

It's not exactly 'everywhere' if I can't find an article about it on any major news sites that would have been one of the first results to pop up. I can search Gone With The Wind and Little Britain and articles about the recent controversies are their top results, the same can't be said for Of Mice & Men.

[bots]

John Cleese has laid into the "cowardly and gutless and contemptible" BBC after an episode of Fawlty Towers was removed from a BBC-owned streaming platform.

A 1975 episode titled The Germans was taken off UKTV's streaming service because it contains "racial slurs".

In it, the Major uses highly offensive language, and Cleese's Basil Fawlty declares "don't mention the war".

Cleese wrote on Twitter: "The BBC is now run by a mixture of marketing people and petty bureaucrats."

He added: "I would have hoped that someone at the BBC would understand that there are two ways of making fun of human behaviour.

"One is to attack it directly. The other is to have someone who is patently a figure of fun, speak up on behalf of that behaviour."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53020335

So John isn't happy

[armand.kay]

most these shows are literally gonna be put back on sjdjdjOarksjxk people are actually deranged

[armand.kay]

that old ass show they took off so they could edit out the n word :skull:

[Oliver_W]

that old ass show they took off so they could edit out the n word :skull:

There's no need tbh :shrug:

[Beso]

An interesting development would be, roots.

[Marsh.]

Jesus just try offering something constructive or remotely interesting to the conversations .. . do you never tire of knitpicking or finding fault with everyone’s posts ?

The news was ‘everywhere’ ... not banned /withdrawn everywhere


Didn't see this earlier, you edited in the rant afterwards. :rolleyes:

You offered nothing constructive or interesting.

Do you ever tire of posting nonsense with no source? The news most certainly is not "everywhere" as nobody else can find it.

But, yes, it's just me finding faults with your posts. :crazy:

[Zizu]

Didn't see this earlier, you edited in the rant afterwards. :rolleyes:

You offered nothing constructive or interesting.

Do you ever tire of posting nonsense with no source? The news most certainly is not "everywhere" as nobody else can find it.

But, yes, it's just me finding faults with your posts. :crazy:



So what if I’m guilty of a bit of innocent exaggeration by claiming it was reported everywhere ... I visit countless forums and all the usual online apps/ places - I couldn’t tell you where I saw the reports if I wanted to ..

I saw that Of Mice and Men was being withdrawn in few online sources .... then I dropped it in a post in here - surely that’s what a forum is for - sharing thoughts/ideas and passing on snippets of information ?

Anyways , I’m not the only one who has grievances with you .. . It’s kinda sad that you seem to thrive on all the antagonism - but if that’s your thing then go for it ... just count me out of your infantile games


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[Marsh.]

So what if I’m guilty of a bit of innocent exaggeration by claiming it was reported everywhere ... I visit countless forums and all the usual online apps/ places - I couldn’t tell you where I saw the reports if I wanted to ..

I saw that Of Mice and Men was being withdrawn in few online sources .... then I dropped it in a post in here - surely that’s what a forum is for - sharing thoughts/ideas and passing on snippets of information ?

Anyways , I’m not the only one who has grievances with you .. . It’s kinda sad that you seem to thrive on all the antagonism - but if that’s your thing then go for it ... just count me out of your infantile games


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Oh fgs stop turning everything into a damn argument. YOU picked fault, not me.

You're so sensitive about being questioned when if you just elaborated on your point to begin with nobody would have had to ask. Fool.

Couldn't give a flying **** about your "grievance" with me. Grow up.

[Zizu]

Oh fgs stop turning everything into a damn argument. YOU picked fault, not me.

You're so sensitive about being questioned when if you just elaborated on your point to begin with nobody would have had to ask. Fool.

Couldn't give a flying **** about your "grievance" with me. Grow up.



Where / when did I ‘pick fault’ ??

I simply passed on a snippet of information as part of the conversation .... somebody queried my source then , as usual, you jumped on the bandwagon.


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[Marsh.]

Jesus just try offering something constructive or remotely interesting to the conversations .. . do you never tire of knitpicking or finding fault with everyone’s posts ?


Anyways , I’m not the only one who has grievances with you

you jumped on the bandwagon.

Go away.

[Zizu]

Go away.



Well just stop following be from thread to thread .. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve said this !


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[Marsh.]

Well just stop following be from thread to thread .. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve said this !


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I will respond to whatever threads or posts I see fit. It's not all about you. :pat:

[Saph]

I wouldn't eat that RRRRRRRaspberry munch bunch if I were you, bebeh

[AnnieK]

The most recent article I can find about Of Mice and Men was from 2015 when parent's in America tried to have it pulled from the Curriculum

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/may/07/idaho-parents-profane-of-mice-and-men-banned-schools-john-steinbeck

Can't see anything more recent. It may have been an old article you spotted Zizu?

[Zizu]

The most recent article I can find about Of Mice and Men was from 2015 when parent's in America tried to have it pulled from the Curriculum

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/may/07/idaho-parents-profane-of-mice-and-men-banned-schools-john-steinbeck

Can't see anything more recent. It may have been an old article you spotted Zizu?


It may have been something like that but quoted / recycled by someone else on Twitter/Instagram/ Reddit/etc .. “everywhere” you look now you’ll see someone naming a classic tv series that’s ‘supposedly ‘ been banned - I’ve lost count how many different tv series have been pulled/withdrawn now for example.


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[user104658]

We (like basically everyone) did OMaM at school when I was about 15, and our (small, female, high-voiced) teacher did the voices of George and Lennie in a theatrical deep southern drawl.

It remains one of my fondest and most hilarious memories of school.

[armand.kay]

There's no need tbh :shrug:

what?

[armand.kay]

not “tbh” pls...

[Oliver_W]

what?

It's fine, the use of the word in its context is fine. It wasn't being used to insult anyone, apart from the old racist man who made himself look stupid by using it.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I wouldn't eat that RRRRRRRaspberry munch bunch if I were you, bebeh

Ghjjhgh

[Zizu]

Terry Gilliam
https://www.facebook.com/256730041052484/posts/3081614195230707/?d=n


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[Marsh.]

We (like basically everyone) did OMaM at school when I was about 15, and our (small, female, high-voiced) teacher did the voices of George and Lennie in a theatrical deep southern drawl.

It remains one of my fondest and most hilarious memories of school.

Being forced to act out like an amateur dramatic society, scenes from The Crucible is one of my worst school memories.

[Tom4784]

Being forced to act out like an amateur dramatic society, scenes from The Crucible is one of my worst school memories.

Oh God, I remember having to watch it performed for Drama once and it was so boring although you have to admire the petty legend that is Abigail :clap1: Queen of murder through manipulation and kickstarting the Salem Witch Trials :clap1:

[arista]

An interesting development would be, roots.


Roots a great TV series

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6d/Roots_25th_Anniversary_Edition.jpg/250px-Roots_25th_Anniversary_Edition.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_(1977_miniseries)

Put it back on TV

[Tom4784]

Roots shows the horrors of slavery from a black perspective, it doesn't contain blackface or harmful stereotypes of black people that diminish their suffering.

Anyone that thinks that Roots is comparable to Little Britain or Gone With The Wind are missing the point.

[Saph]

omg I remember watching that in history in like year 7

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Roots a great TV series

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6d/Roots_25th_Anniversary_Edition.jpg/250px-Roots_25th_Anniversary_Edition.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QvC1qbA.jpg

[Kizzy]

My daughter was made to watch it at school, it impacted on her very badly. She had nightmares, however this is normal... If we were all confronted visually with the realities of slavery, subjugation and oppression we would all have nightmares.

You shouldn't sugar coat history, accountibility is important if we acknowledge and accept the ills of the past then that's right and fair for me.

Ignoring, denying, glamourising or failing to address objectively questionable periods in our history is counterproductive.

It's time to stop protesting and have proper adult conversations as to how we address concerns and move forward.

[Marsh.]

Oh God, I remember having to watch it performed for Drama once and it was so boring although you have to admire the petty legend that is Abigail :clap1: Queen of murder through manipulation and kickstarting the Salem Witch Trials :clap1:

:joker:

[Tony Montana]

We (like basically everyone) did OMaM at school when I was about 15, and our (small, female, high-voiced) teacher did the voices of George and Lennie in a theatrical deep southern drawl.

It remains one of my fondest and most hilarious memories of school.

I love Of Mice and Men. I remember when I accidentally spoiled Lennie's death for my entire class when asking a question to my teacher.

They all hated me for like a month. :joker: