'Gone With The Wind' temporarily removed from HBO Max, Right Wing people outraged

[Tom4784]

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jun/10/gone-with-the-wind-dropped-from-hbo-max-over-depiction-of-slavery

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8407269/Megyn-Kelly-slams-HBO-pulling-Gone-Wind.html

Basically it's been removed from the service so that they can put the racism of the film into historical context, it seems like they'll basically do what Disney did with Dumbo on Disney+ and put a warning on it saying that it was a product of it's time and that it doesn't reflect today's values. It's an open and shut story, really, but obviously the Right Wing needed to act like white martyrs and make out that taking a film offline temporarily because it paints a positive image of slavery is akin to white genocide. Megyn Kelly's lead the charge but there's a lot of outrage from the right about it for no real reason.

There's a lot of people pointing to Hattie McDaniel and using her as an excuse as to why the film should remain on the service (Which it will do, it's removal is a temporary thing) which is particularly gross because the studio system of that era of Hollywood would have forced her to appear in whatever films they wanted her to with the threat of penalties if she refused. You see, Studios back then could basically imprison people into service with awful contracts that would only be extended if the actors chose not to take the roles they were given. Hattie was made to play the role of a slave that was all too happy to serve in a film that ignored the horrors of the era for a cheery look at the Antebellum south. People use the fact that she won an Oscar for it to justify her treatment but fail to mention that the Oscars deigned her worthy of a statue but not a place in the auditorium in which the ceremony took place.

People using Hattie McDaniel as a defense of Gone The Wind are basically disingenuous as hell and are using her as a footnote for their argument as to why the film is okay.

For me personally, I think the film has historical importance but we must recognise that it's a problematic film. Basically, I'm all in favour of the Disney+ approach, acknowledge it's problems and let people choose to watch it if they wish. Adding context to the film is not censorship and the film isn't being censored at all by being taken off a service for a few days when it's widely available everywhere.

[Josiah.]

I agree, plus we've grown up watching this movie and we know the historical importance of this. The Disney+ approach is the way to go for this. Heck, Warner Brothers has been doing this with some of their Looney Tunes shorts for years.

[armand.kay]

I’ve watched gone with the wind and it’s one of my Guilty pleasures to be honest but yeah it’s very problematic. I think a good way forward would be to have a disclaimer before the movie explaining why the portrayal of slavery on it is bad. I don’t see why people are so riled up about this though like you can literally still rent or buy it if you want.

[Oliver_W]

I've never actually seen it D: What's "wrong" with it, I think I heard something about glamourising slavery?

[Tom4784]

I've never actually seen it D: What's "wrong" with it, I think I heard something about glamourising slavery?

Pretty much, it relies on racist stereotypes and makes out that the slave characters were basically happy to serve.

It was problematic back then and it's more so now. I think it's a good thing that HBO offers context to it tbh, you've got to acknowledge things like this. It's too culturally significant to be rid of it but you have to approach it knowing it's problematic, I think.

[Tom4784]

Also if you ever do plan on watching it, clear out your schedule, that ****er's basically four hours long.

[Oliver_W]

Pretty much, it relies on racist stereotypes and makes out that the slave characters were basically happy to serve.

It was problematic back then and it's more so now. I think it's a good thing that HBO offers context to it tbh, you've got to acknowledge things like this. It's too culturally significant to be rid of it but you have to approach it knowing it's problematic, I think.

Yeah sure, a disclaimed is all it needs.

This question is obviously a contradiction on terms but :laugh: were they "nice" slave owners?

[Shaun]

I think censoring and removing crappy slapstick comedies is fine; they contributed nothing to the national or international culture at the time and don't depict a period of history from which anything of significance can be drawn.

Gone With the Wind, however, is one of the biggest films of all time and to erase it just seems... wrong. I haven't seen the movie, I don't know which parts are "problematic", but... it's one of the 20th Century's biggest cultural landmarks. To try and erase it seems stupid, and further boosts the right's whinging over freedom of speech and press.

If we're also using the "Hollywood treated its actresses and actors of colour like ****", then I think we're on track to erase pretty much everything prior to 1960 and a fair few things after that.

[Marsh.]

I don't think the intention is to erase it. They've taken it down for now whilst a lot of feelings surrounding BLM remain high, but it will be put back up.

Until the time when it mysteriously doesn't appear again. :worry:

[Tom4784]

Yeah sure, a disclaimed is all it needs.

This question is obviously a contradiction on terms but :laugh: were they "nice" slave owners?

From what I remember, yes for the most part, not that it makes it all easier to swallow.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They will be coming for Tom and Jerry next...

[Tom4784]

I think censoring and removing crappy slapstick comedies is fine; they contributed nothing to the national or international culture at the time and don't depict a period of history from which anything of significance can be drawn.

Gone With the Wind, however, is one of the biggest films of all time and to erase it just seems... wrong. I haven't seen the movie, I don't know which parts are "problematic", but... it's one of the 20th Century's biggest cultural landmarks. To try and erase it seems stupid, and further boosts the right's whinging over freedom of speech and press.

If we're also using the "Hollywood treated its actresses and actors of colour like ****", then I think we're on track to erase pretty much everything prior to 1960 and a fair few things after that.

It's not being erased though, the film isn't going to be re-edited or cut down or destroyed. Chances are it's just gonna have a warning on the synopsis screen for the HBO app or they'll just add an extra optional video somewhere where they explain what life was like for slaves in reality.

I brought up Hollywood treating Hattie like **** because the right wing was acting like the film is a tribute to Hattie McDaniel and they were using her name to justify their bull****. Their argument is basically like 'look! a black person kinda benefited from the film but not really, don't take it down for a few days or society will COLLAPSE!!'

[Tom4784]

They will be coming for Tom and Jerry next...

What an excellent example of an alarmist reactionary right wing response.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And Seinfeld and the excellent Cigar Store Indian Episode

Also the film Ghandi as Ghandi was a hateful racist himself

[Crimson Dynamo]

Plus Fingerbobs the children's show from when Cherie was little as Fingermouse looks a little suspect though today's hysteria lens

http://https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4967&stc=1&d=1591904931

[Cherie]

Plus Fingerbobs the children's show from when Cherie was little as Fingermouse looks a little suspect though today's hysteria lens

http://https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4967&stc=1&d=1591904931

:joker: what is it

[Kazanne]

They will be coming for Tom and Jerry next...

Hope they are willing to burn thier fivers and other cash that have people they dont like printed on them

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: what is it

I can't do it on my phone

Do a Google images scratch for Mrs mouse, fingerbobs

[Josiah.]

But I can say, I have seen Gone With The Wind, and Dezzy, you are not wrong. It's literally 4 hours.

[Livia]

Is their anyone on this forum who is not on the far Left, who doesn't know what slavery was. Who doesn't know the suffering it caused. No, of course not.

I went to a fairly average inner-city comprehensive, I learned about the Empire and slavery and some of the unacceptable things this country did. Why then, do we have to have people legislating what we can and can't see?

People are having a fine old time pulling apart comedy and old films when actually, the thing that needs policing more is the Internet. And usually it's the same people who don't want us to see Gone With The Wind are the same people who don't want the Internet policed.

[Jessica.]

Is their anyone on this forum who is not on the far Left, who doesn't know what slavery was. Who doesn't know the suffering it caused. No, of course not.

I went to a fairly average inner-city comprehensive, I learned about the Empire and slavery and some of the unacceptable things this country did. Why then, do we have to have people legislating what we can and can't see?

People are having a fine old time pulling apart comedy and old films when actually, the thing that needs policing more is the Internet. And usually it's the same people who don't want us to see Gone With The Wind are the same people who don't want the Internet policed.

Nobody is stopping you from seeing it, it's temporarily not streaming on that one service. :joker:

[Livia]

Nobody is stopping you from seeing it, it's temporarily not streaming on that one service. :joker:

Are you going to try to dismiss every comment I make today? And reduce everything down to what you think I mean.....

[Nicky91]

to bring up another series from past in which slavery is highlighted in, Roots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_(1977_miniseries)

i had a discussion with my parents about this whole BLM topic, and movies/series content being removed, no longer shown on streaming services, and we immediately were thinking about this miniseries

so any thoughts upon this one now?


it had some ''controversial content'' like this BVf4NZlMRrc, maybe ok for that time but i don't know how people who support BLM movement feel about this now

[Jessica.]

Are you going to try to dismiss every comment I make today? And reduce everything down to what you think I mean.....

Sure, if that's what you think then lets go with it.

[Livia]

Sure, if that's what you think then lets go with it.

You don't really want to discuss anything with me. You just want to continue your weak smartarsery… it's quite boring.

[bots]

Is their anyone on this forum who is not on the far Left, who doesn't know what slavery was. Who doesn't know the suffering it caused. No, of course not.

I went to a fairly average inner-city comprehensive, I learned about the Empire and slavery and some of the unacceptable things this country did. Why then, do we have to have people legislating what we can and can't see?

People are having a fine old time pulling apart comedy and old films when actually, the thing that needs policing more is the Internet. And usually it's the same people who don't want us to see Gone With The Wind are the same people who don't want the Internet policed.


To me, it's all about company's competing with each other for who can do the most virtue signalling. Virtue signalling is rife

[Nicky91]

comparing Roots and Gone with the wind

Roots has more realistic view on slavery, so it could be seen as educational, more historical

than a gone with the wind, who had shown the slaves in that to be happy to be slaves which is clearly a wrong view about slavery

[Jessica.]

You don't really want to discuss anything with me. You just want to continue your weak smartarsery… it's quite boring.

If literally anyone else on the forum made the same post, I would reply the exact same way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

To me, it's all about company's competing with each other for who can do the most virtue signalling. Virtue signalling is rife

Correct

It's about blame, marketing and money

[Livia]

If literally anyone else on the forum made the same post, I would reply the exact same way.


In the ten years I've been here you've only posted to me in the last six months or so, and it's all been venom. I don't know you. You don't know me. Let's keep it that way.

[Kizzy]

To me, it's all about company's competing with each other for who can do the most virtue signalling. Virtue signalling is rife

Oop that's a stereotype. . :nono:

It's not only the 'hard left' that know Hollywood depictions of sensitive subjects are glamorised.
As I've said on other threads I think the removal is a diversion, however it may be a catalyst for a generational shift change.

We are living through the early years of a new milenia... Change is good, the scales falling from eyes and seeing how different people have been and are treated is good.

As long as it is handled peacefully and sensitively I believe it's welcome and necessary.

[Tom4784]

The film is widely available to buy and it always will be. It's not censorship or 'legislating what we can or cannot see' for a company to decide what to host on their platform. No one is banning Gone With The Wind.

Pointing that out is not an attack and it's not 'venomous'.

[Marsh.]

Is their anyone on this forum who is not on the far Left,

Yes.

[Zizu]

comparing Roots and Gone with the wind

Roots has more realistic view on slavery, so it could be seen as educational, more historical

than a gone with the wind, who had shown the slaves in that to be happy to be slaves which is clearly a wrong view about slavery



Yes I’d agree ..

Incidentally some secondary/high schools do indeed show parts of the series Roots in History lessons


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[Liberty4eva]

In the ten years I've been here you've only posted to me in the last six months or so, and it's all been venom. I don't know you. You don't know me. Let's keep it that way.

No offense but you can be a little moody. I think you put me on your ignore list some years ago?

[Liberty4eva]

To the original post...

It is strange (but true) that the best way to boost the popularity of movies that are over 50 years old is to ban them. GWTW is once again cool and popular among some sectors of the population.

[Tom4784]

To the original post...

It is strange (but true) that the best way to boost the popularity of movies that are over 50 years old is to ban them. GWTW is once again cool and popular among some sectors of the population.

It's not been banned, it is literally available in loads of places.

[Livia]

Yes.

Shut it, Marshy.

[bots]

i watched the germans episode of faulty towers this morning :smug:

[Marsh.]

Shut it, Marshy.

:hee:

[GoldHeart]

I never understood it's popularity in the first place!, Movie is a long ass 4 hours long :sleep: and it's most famous for the line "frankly my dear I don't give a damn" .

Which is funny as I don't give a damn about this movie and never have watched it :joker: . It looks boring as hell.

[Marsh.]

I never understood it's popularity in the first place!, Movie is a long ass 5 hours long :sleep: and it's most famous for the line "frankly my dear I don't give a damn" .

Which is funny as I don't give a damn about this movie and never have watched it :joker: . It looks boring as hell.

It having a famous catchphrase doesn't make it famous for the catchphrase.

[GoldHeart]

It having a famous catchphrase doesn't make it famous for the catchphrase.

Well the obvious racism is what it's known for aswell.But point I'm making is it's one of those movies where that's the only quote people know and it's the end of the movie.

[Marsh.]

Well the obvious racism is what it's known for aswell.But point I'm making is it's one of those movies where that's the only quote people know and it's the end of the movie.

How would you know when you've never watched it. :joker:

[GoldHeart]

How would you know when you've never watched it. :joker:

:facepalm:

i don't need to watch it

[Marsh.]

Well if you're trying to have a discussion about the movie, you kind of need to have watched it or you sound daft.

[GoldHeart]

Well if you're trying to have a discussion about the movie, you kind of need to have watched it or you sound daft.

This isn't a strict book club review :rolleyes:, and i can still give my views on not just the movie but the whole topic in general .

[Marsh.]

This isn't a strict book club review :rolleyes:, and i can still give my views on not just the movie but the whole topic in general .

Nobody said you couldn't do anything.

[arista]

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We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.

Ebay :
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[joeysteele]

Hope they are willing to burn thier fivers and other cash that have people they dont like printed on them

Personally I don't think anyone, no matter who they are or were, should be on banknotes.

Only the Monarch should be, no one else.
I'm fed up of the glorifying of others on things like this.

Reflect the Nation's of the UK.

Have a scene from England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales on, if there must be something else other than the Monarch.
Do away with any or all glorification of individuals for me.
Divisive or otherwise.

Just my view however.

[Tom4784]

I HoPE PeOpLe ArE BuRnInG ThEiR MoNeY If ThEy DoN't LiKe a FiLm AbOuT GlAmOuRoUs SlAvE OwNeRs.

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/spongebob.jpg?w=640

[Marsh.]

Hope they are willing to burn thier fivers and other cash that have people they dont like printed on them

What has this story got to do with "people they don't like"?

I feel you copy and pasted some Facebook comment you liked the look of and got the context wrong.

[James]

Is this real?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea5NB7_U8AAlBIN?format=jpg&name=small

Also.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea5NWHqWoAAKkIK?format=jpg&name=360x360

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea5NZrXWAAA04in?format=jpg&name=360x360

The Breakfast at Tiffany's one I can understand.

[Cherie]

Is this real?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea5NB7_U8AAlBIN?format=jpg&name=small

Also.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea5NWHqWoAAKkIK?format=jpg&name=360x360

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea5NZrXWAAA04in?format=jpg&name=360x360

The Breakfast at Tiffany's one I can understand.

Oh dear ..the poor viewers

[Liam-]

I think that’s the right way to go in future

[Cherie]

I think that’s the right way to go in future

Do you really..I cringe when there is a disclaimer of upsetting content before Emmerdale :fist: Just patronising

[James]

Apparently Aladdin, Dumbo, and Flash Gordon have them too.

I couldn't think of anything in Aliens that got it the warning. It say here that it is because the actress that plays Vasquez is not Hispanic - https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a32916771/sky-cinema-content-labels-outdated-aladdin-dumbo/

[Marsh.]

Do you really..I cringe when there is a disclaimer of upsetting content before Emmerdale :fist: Just patronising

No different to a movie getting a rating tbh, which lets you know of any nude content, offensive language etc so people can make the choice to watch or not.

[Cherie]

No different to a movie getting a rating tbh, which lets you know of any nude content, offensive language etc so people can make the choice to watch or not.

Emmerdale is 2 hours before the watershed what’s the worst that can happen?

I fear for people faces in the future lips pursed in disapproval causes terrible wrinkles :hehe:

[bots]

a warning that Aliens contains violence is just ruining it :laugh:

i remember watching it at the cinema when it first came out and jumping out of my seat when the alien popped out :joker:

[James]

Just looking through the classics section of Now TV Lawrence of Arabia has one also. None others there.

They might not have checked the others yet.

[Marsh.]

Emmerdale is 2 hours before the watershed what’s the worst that can happen?

I fear for people faces in the future lips pursed in disapproval causes terrible wrinkles :hehe:

I don't think Emmerdale's warnings are to do with offensive content (that I know of, I don't watch much of it). I imagine like Corrie's warnings before Shane Ward's exit episode was about warning people there would be a depiction of suicide in it, which they may not want to watch if they find it triggering. The same could be said for other sensitive topics like rape, eating disorders etc. To me it's just being considerate of everyone.

If they start banning things or putting restrictions on stories the soaps can depict then I'd have a problem. But not with letting people know what to expect.

In a similar vein, it makes me laugh when people mock the helplines at the end though, because they think the helpline is for people upset by the soap itself, when it's not, it's about people who have gone through the same thing as whatever storyline has been portrayed to find help. :laugh:

[James]

a warning that Aliens contains violence is just ruining it :laugh:

i remember watching it at the cinema when it first came out and jumping out of my seat when the alien popped out :joker:

I watched it at school on video. The teacher let us watch it because it was the end of the year.

It's one of the best action films of the 80s, in my opinion.

[Cherie]

I don't think Emmerdale's warnings are to do with offensive content (that I know of, I don't watch much of it). I imagine like Corrie's warnings before Shane Ward's exit episode was about warning people there would be a depiction of suicide in it, which they may not want to watch if they find it triggering. The same could be said for other sensitive topics like rape, eating disorders etc. To me it's just being considerate of everyone.

If they start banning things or putting restrictions on stories the soaps can depict then I'd have a problem. But not with letting people know what to expect.

In a similar vein, it makes me laugh when people mock the helplines at the end though, because they think the helpline is for people upset by the soap itself, when it's not, it's about people who have gone through the same thing as whatever storyline has been portrayed to find help. :laugh:

I think the helplines are fine as soaps cover issues in their storylines, I just find ‘threat of violence’ disclaimers crazy as generally it’s pre watershed, watered down nonsense and because they do it all the time it dilutes messages of scenes that actually might cause distress like Aidens suicide

[Ashley.]

Do you really..I cringe when there is a disclaimer of upsetting content before Emmerdale :fist: Just patronising

They have to do it, though. I don't think it's about 'being PC' or anything like that, it's protecting themselves from the potentiality of complaint. Why do you think Big Brother had a twelve hour-long warning at the beginning of each episode? :laugh: It's more about... 'here's a list of things you cannot complain about, because we warned you about them at the start of the show...'

Personally, I'd rather sit through the disclaimers than such shows being removed from existence completely.

[Nicky91]

Aliens???


i love that movie, i love the entire franchise of that


also if that is because of the Vazquez character, hmmm i had Always thought that one would be more appreciated in these current times too, in light of emancipation, strong women etc

correct the actress who plays her is Jeanette Goldstein, who was also in another Cameron movie Terminator 2: Judgment Day, as John's foster mom


but no **** an action movie containing violence *pretendstobeshocked* :joker:

[Cherie]

They have to do it, though. I don't think it's about 'being PC' or anything like that, it's protecting themselves from the potentiality of complaint. Why do you think Big Brother had a twelve hour-long warning at the beginning of each episode? :laugh: It's more about... 'here's a list of things you cannot complain about, because we warned you about them at the start of the show...'

Personally, I'd rather sit through the disclaimers than such shows being removed from existence completely.

I know they have to do it, BB was after the watershed so not quite the same...and some people still complain anyway so in the main its pretty pointless

[Oliver_W]

Is this real?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea5NB7_U8AAlBIN?format=jpg&name=small

Also.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea5NWHqWoAAKkIK?format=jpg&name=360x360

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea5NZrXWAAA04in?format=jpg&name=360x360

The Breakfast at Tiffany's one I can understand.

Oh dear god :laugh:

It's better than taking them down, but still pretty pathetic. All those films are harmless tbh

[Ammi]

...with Breakfast at Tiffany’s and the racial stereotype of Mr Yunioshi, I wouldn’t say it was harmless tbh...even back in its day it caused controversy because of its offensiveness and it varied so much from the character as written by Truman Capote, so completely not in keeping with any portrayal either ...and yet it has remained For such a long time...so I guess that’s sadly how accepting society has been of these racist stereotypes and completely right and good that it’s finally being addressed....the ‘harmlessness’ as well could only really be determined by those who they offend../..if the stereotype negatively and if they offend, then they are not ‘harmless’...

[Ammi]

...just to say that Audrey Hepburn was wonderful in that movie though...(..even though she differed from the book character quite a bit as well...:laugh:..)...

[Oliver_W]

...just to say that Audrey Hepburn was wonderful in that movie though...(..even though she differed from the book character quite a bit as well...:laugh:..)...

You like Audrey Hepburn? :o I'd never guess :laugh:

[Ammi]

You like Audrey Hepburn? :o I'd never guess :laugh:

...well that’s because I never said...shhhhh, don’t tell anyone, Oliver...