RPDR AS S5 E3 - "Get a Room!" (spoilers)

[Captain.Remy]

"The All Stars dive into the world of celebrity branding as they design their own boutique hotel suite experiences! Guest judges Nicole Byer and design guru Martyn Lawrence Bullard check in to check them out!

Guest Judges: Nicole Byer and Martyn Lawrence Bullard
Main Challenge: Design and present their own signature suite."


I loved the club design challenge last year, I hope they deliver something great this time too!

[Shaun]

prayer circle for a cracker elimination

[Braden]

I'm here for The Miz Cracker Show :love:

[MB.]

Well that makes one of you

[Captain.Remy]

prayer circle for a cracker elimination

Why not a circle jerk though?:laugh:
And watch her come back during the LaLaPaRUza come back episode (I'm assuming there's one). :shrug:

I fear for Mariah or Mayhem tbh Both were previously safe and bottom 3. I hope they come through this week!

[Braden]

Well that makes one of you

All I need!

[MB.]

And watch her come back during the LaLaPaRUza come back episode (I'm assuming there's one). :shrug:

There are only eight episodes so there isn't

[Liam-]

I am also on the Cracker train

[Captain.Remy]

There are only eight episodes so there isn't

Ugh, the cheapness :skull:

[Captain.Remy]

The challenge was...alright, I guess? I mean, there were no standouts nor very bad performances. Apart from Jujubee who rightfully won obviously.
Blair and Mahyem's was fine, but The Glamazone was better.

Shea's look was great! I don't get the comments from the judges. And yeah the feathers jacket from Mariah was a look and you can't change my mind!

I like Jujubee's style of lipsync, it's refreshing sometimes to see an "old school" lipsync moment rather than the usual shenanigans like death drops, splits, etc
Monet won rightfully the lipsync, but again, same as Alyssa, where was HER energy we are usually seeing? But anyway, she did a really good job.

Sad for Mariah, I would have loved to see more of her. But yeah India and Shea did better. I could see India pushing through more than Mariah.
Cracker being safe is alright, she did better than Shea and Mariah tbh I'm still not 100% buying the whole Cracker thing.

Untucked was a very nice addition this week. Jujubee, Mayhem and Blair talking about addictions was touching.

PS: :skull: @ Jujubee talking about how she misses her cats while choosing a lipstick. She's so silly I love her. "Meow meow bitches"

[Braden]

Jesus Christ, that challenge was a chore to get through. I liked all the concepts but I had no idea what to think of the presentation of the ideas.

In terms of the runways, I loved Miz Cracker's and Shea's (even though the wig was quite ugly). Blair's and Alexis' were also nice and JuJubee's concept was super-cute, but it was quite a disappointing runway in general. Also, I hate this season's runway music.

I'm dead at Ru telling Blair and Mayhem they were his favourite group and then giving the win to JuJubee, lmao. In terms of the bottoms, I can't argue with India and Mariah being there, and Shea, yeah I get it but she could've easily been safe.

I loved the guest judge (whose name I can't remember :() just straight up telling Miz Cracker not to care what people think. Alexis was a hypocrite telling Miz Cracker she was playing mind games, only for her to do the same thing. She can go, followed by Blair and Mayhem. Oh, and India, who is so void of personality I forget she's there.

Monet was excellent during the lip-sync and rightfully won and even though I like her it was Mariah's time to go.

[Smithy]

prayer circle for a cracker elimination

Welp!

[Smithy]

Honestly if this season has proved anything it’s that the middle of the road queens (Mariah, Farrakhan’s, Gia, Mayhem, Ongina, Milk - I could go on) just aren’t All Stars material, they’re always first boots, less seasons with better competitors makes for a much more interesting show.

This ep was ok, I think Ru chose the Gold Room to win because they released last time the only one anyone talked about was Club 96 because it was such a meme, yet this just felt like a cheap rip off and he SHOULD have given the win to the Glamazone. Right winner, right lip sync winner (Juju didn’t even know the words) and right elimination too I suppose, but I’d have been fine with either her or India going.

[Samm]

Yeah the challenge definitely wasn't as good as the last time they did it. Although the glamzon was my favourite and I did laugh at parts. The runways were all cute as well maybe apart from Mayhem's bathing suit (i still love you though girl)

I was really shook at first I thought shea could of gotten the boot. I like both mariah and india so it would of been sad to see either go :(

[Shaun]

Forgot to watch Untucked last week (was there an Untucked for the premiere? I can't find it anywhere), so I just watched E2's and it was cute. Alyssa/Ongina's conversation was heartwarming; and Mariah's flabbergasted reaction to Blair's pink skin was gold :love:

Blair is starting to annoy me a little bit :( I know she's a lot better than she showed on S10 but at the same time she had a strong showing there, and there's something...iffy about her talent. Like is anyone actually gagging over her? She seems just... good at best; I've still yet to see her do anything amazing.

Ongina's handwriting is lovely.

The queens turning on cracker :love: I'm impressed Mayhem actually stood up to her, she strikes me sometimes as a person who'll disagree with you behind your back. Wbk that Alexis Mateo keeps it real though :love: queen.

The teams already being lined up in order of the "random draw". :suspect:

Mariah painting the shrek room pink :love:

"So you're saying you don't respect me?" :skull: :skull: :skull:

This task is a mess, I'm only finding the accidental bits funny (Alexis' mosquito repellent lid flying off and reacting with a "what the hell just happened?" :joker: ) Blair and Mayhem are just... cringe... but at least they committed to a concept and tried I guess? I feel the weakest two were India and probably one of these two. I have no idea why Shea is in the bottom, or Mariah for that matter.

Runwaywise, I loved Shea's concept but it was too much of a colour attack. Blair's reveal from 2-3 was very nice and unexpected. Mayhem's wig reveal was nice but the outfit was SO pedestrian :( Alexis on the other hand had 3 completely different, great looks and I love that bitch so much :bawling: India's is very expensive-looking but not very interesting. Juju going for 3 different holidays is a very smart idea, and it's done... OK. Mariah's is alright, but not much difference between the 2nd and 3rd. Cracker's entrance is fantastic, but the final look is not good with the weak bit of train flailing behind her.

IMO...

Winner: Jujubee or Cracker
Top: Cracker, Alexis
Safe: Shea, Mariah
Low: Blair
Bottom: India & Mayhem

Blair and Mayhem winning :skull: on WHAT PLANET? Why are they being judged on interior decor :skull: can this gay **** off with his pillows? Shea's look is CRAFTY?

Nah this is a nonsense episode and I'm done. Jujubee doesn't even know the words to Juice. Bye bitch.

[Mokka]

Ok, Jujubee clearly did not want to win that lipsync... she **** the litterbox big time... and I mean what was with her cats rant. Give us the T Jujubee, give us the T :fist:

I did not get the judging this episode. How the tacky unfunny gold room won was astonishing, and the only queens I laughed at were the golden gals... and Jujubee's reference's to her grandma made me cringe... I just don't get it.

The outfits on the run way as well... how do all star queens not get the challenge like this. Three looks does not mean go from a tent/moomoo, to a silhouette/leotard. What a mess of an episode.

(I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I like Miz. Cracker :omgno: )

[bbcanicons]

I didn't think Blair and Mayhem should've been high in terms of their hotel, yet Jujubee rightly deserved her win.

I don't think Shea should've been in the bottom; I thought her performance was enough to get her in a 'safe' position, and her look wasn't "crafty" at all imo.

I like Cracker, but I don't get all the hype around her.

Blair's runway was my fav; she slayed that!

[Tom4784]

It was a messy episode in terms of the challenge. It was one of those nonsensical tasks tailor-made to get rid of the filler which, despite the fact she is far from that, that's what they cast Mariah for. She got Thorgy'd/Ginger'd tbh because I thought she did enough to be safe.

I think the task as a whole was underwhelming but (rather controversially, it seems) I can understand why Mayhem and Blair's room won because I generally thought it was the most cohesive of the bunch and they both committed to it fully (despite the fact that they basically took a lot of inspiration from Club 96). Juju and Alexis were great and Juju was a worthy winner but India seemed lost and I understand why she was in the bottom 3.

Although I disagree with what they said about the moth outfit, I did think Shea's performance felt pretty weak as did Cracker's. I'd have swapped Mariah out of the bottom 3 for Cracker with India going home instead (I do love her but she hasn't excelled beyond the first week).

I'm so tired of Cracker though and I love how both Mayhem and Alexis did not put up with her ****. She's causing drama but the drama is weak and I'm tired of the fanbase deciding whether someone is a villain or just 'misunderstood' depending on their skin tone.

I'm also happy that Jujubee finally won a challenge although she totally threw that lipsync.

[Liam-]

I can’t help but feel that the judges would have gagged if Crystal came out wearing what Shea did.

The challenge was dire, Cracker and Juju were literally the only ones who kept my interest, Blair and Mayhem’s faces when Ru said they didn’t win :skull:

Alexis is petty af, taking a sincere comment made to someone else an an opportunity to go at someone for no reason, Juju clocking her excuseImg her bitchiness on English being her second language was a scream ‘second language my ass’

[Jigs]

The Glamazone deserved the collective win but I understand India was a dud in that team so Blair/Mayhem as a team technically delivered the best. It's a shame Jujubee didn't know the lyrics to the song, but even more of a shame that Mariah Balenciaga had to leave because I found her to be pretty funny and a good narrator. Personally I would have chosen India to leave as I just don't think she has much more to offer at all.

Alexis Mateo's iconic villainous edit was so unexpected but so juicy this episode :love: I am a Miz Cracker fan too and I think her trajectory from season villain to misunderstood underdog is really great. I wonder if they'll bury the hatchet next week? The season has already had a lot of drama and I kinda hope it continues.

[MB.]

Cracker isn't a "misunderstood underdog" she's a basic white wannabe-twink in her late 30s with a superiority complex

[Shaun]

I don't even understand what was supposedly villain-y about Alexis' edit? She had every right to attack Cracker for only naming Juju/Shea/Mariah as the ones she respects, and she had every right to scold her for playing with Ongina's emotions.

Edit: oh, forgot she voted to send Shea home. So did Mayhem :shrug: no villain there.

[Liam-]

If Cracker had said your are the only ones I respect’ I’d agree with you about Alexis, but she told her group she respected them, it had nothing to do with Alexis but she took the opportunity to jump on her, she was out of order, not a villain, but she was wrong in that situation

[Shaun]

Except she also mentioned Jujubee, who wasn't in her group. Which clearly implies she does not respect anyone else in the room.

[Daniel-X]

I hope this Cracker storyline doesn’t carry on too much longer, it’s sucking a lot of fun out of the season and leaving other girls like India/Blair etc. with hardly any edit. She was a little better this week than last, but I think she’s only sorry that she’s been called out for her actions; as opposed to being genuinely sorry.

The challenge was pretty abysmal. I didn’t think anybody did good tbh :joker: not even Jujubee besides a few cheap ‘my grandmother made that’ jokes. It worked a lot better with the club theme in AS4 than hotel suites, hopefully they won’t be returning again.

Also I am now fully #TeamShea. :love:

[Jigs]

I get that it's cooler to hate Cracker but if you genuinely listen to how she expresses her emotions I find her to be really authentic and sincere with her intentions. I also thought it was wrong for Alexis to assume Cracker doesn't respect her because ofc Cracker only listed Shea, Mariah and Jujubee because they are the only 3 that have actually given Cracker the benefit of the doubt. Alexis, Blair and Mayhem had all experienced tension with Cracker so it makes sense that Cracker would want to articulate that she felt more comfortable working with people whom she had not experienced any abrasiveness from.

What she did to Ongina was wrong, but I definitely felt for Cracker when she opened up about not being able to form long-lasting human relationships due to her being misunderstood. I think she was being unfairly scapegoated by Alexis in this week's episode because to scold someone for playing mind games during the "morning table chat" whilst simultaneously playing mind games during the morning table chat is questionable behaviour to say the least.

[Jigs]

Cracker was also accused by Alexis of not taking any accountability for how she made Ongina feel, when actually Cracker stated on two occasions (once during the "deliberation period" of episode 2 and once in the workroom during episode 3) that she should have approached the situation much differently.

Personally I think Alexis was feeling insecure that she interpreted what Cracker said as Cracker highlighting the "best competitors", and she was butthurt that she wasn't included alongside Juju/Shea as being a top performer.

[Shaun]

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[Braden]

Since when was it wrong for a drag queen to say how she feels? I’d understand if it was genuinely mean-spirited but Miz Cracker was right about Ongina. From what we saw she’d checked out of the competition the moment she got there. What I think is tacky is for her to weaponise Cracker’s words and insinuate she had genuine intention to hurt her. That’s a reach of you ask me.

[Tom4784]

Cracker's in the wrong for pretty much everything. She tried to show up Ongina and played on her insecurities to do so and she got blowback for it and she threw very intentional shade with the 'respect' line and got blown up for it. She's not sorry that she did those things, she's sorry it backfired on her and the racist fans will be quick to demonise Alexis for standing her ground while coddling Cracker and making her out to be the victim.

What Cracker did to Ongina was unprompted and purely for the drama and it was so hypocritical considering how she pretty much rallied her fanbase against Asia for saying she should go home in their season. Asia said what she said when prompted to do, Cracker made that decision to go after Ongina and then tell most of the workroom that she doesn't respect them. Let's not forget that Cracker fans told Asia to basically burn to death because of it yet when Cracker does something wrong it's all 'but she's just misunderstood and awkward!' Bored of it.

It's all apololies and victim acts with Cracker and given the hatred that Alexis is getting, it's basically a repeat of Cracker's first season.

[Captain.Remy]

Since when was it wrong for a drag queen to say how she feels? I’d understand if it was genuinely mean-spirited but Miz Cracker was right about Ongina. From what we saw she’d checked out of the competition the moment she got there. What I think is tacky is for her to weaponise Cracker’s words and insinuate she had genuine intention to hurt her. That’s a reach of you ask me.

Cracker doing that Ongina was such a weak thing to do. The whole "Wite-Out" thing was unnecessary regardless of how Ongina felt. There are ways to say things and not look that harsh.
Cracker knew Ongina was a lesser threat and "weaker" than her, and she still did it. It's like picking on the weakest one to make yourself tougher. That's lame.

I bet she won't do it to Shea or Jujubee anytime soon.
And Mayhem was right about clocking her straight up at the beginning of the episode.

[Braden]

Cracker doing that Ongina was such a weak thing to do. The whole "Wite-Out" thing was unnecessary regardless of how Ongina felt. There are ways to say things and not look that harsh.
Cracker knew Ongina was a lesser threat and "weaker" than her, and she still did it. It's like picking on the weakest one to make yourself tougher. That's lame.

I bet she won't do it to Shea or Jujubee anytime soon.
And Mayhem was right about clocking her straight up at the beginning of the episode.

I don't think it's weak to say your opinion. The 'Wite-Out' thing was a playful reference to BenDeLaCreme's wite-out moment in AS3 and was another way of saying she thinks Ongina should've been in the bottom. It's not the first time a queen has said X should've been in the bottom or X should've gone home, and it just so happens that the queens get to vote this season and Cracker was honest about what she thought.

I think there's an overreaction from people who are using this moment to validate their dislike for Miz Cracker because they always disliked her, which is fair enough but it's like she's Osama Bin Laden to some fans - it's weird, lmao. also, tbh, Mayhem would never have spoke out had Miz Cracker not prompted her to do so.

[Captain.Remy]

I don't think it's weak to say your opinion. The 'Wite-Out' thing was a playful reference to BenDeLaCreme's wite-out moment in AS3 and was another way of saying she thinks Ongina should've been in the bottom. It's not the first time a queen has said X should've been in the bottom or X should've gone home, and it just so happens that the queens get to vote this season and Cracker was honest about what she thought.

I think there's an overreaction from people who are using this moment to validate their dislike for Miz Cracker because they always disliked her, which is fair enough but it's like she's Osama Bin Laden to some fans - it's weird, lmao. also, tbh, Mayhem would never have spoke out had Miz Cracker not prompted her to do so.

It's fine for someone to state their opinion without getting into someone's head that harshly. She didn't have to do that to Ongina, she could have said it in a thousand different matters. She put Ongina's head under the water while Ongina was already drowning. She wasn't even in the bottom 2 so wtf. That was weak and that's that.

[Captain.Remy]

And I'm not even a Cracker hater tbh She's fine, she did well in her season (top 5 is not bad), her drag doesn't have a big effect on me though, and she keeps doing that shady stuff all the time. It's hard to not look at it and question wtf she is doing in pretty much every episode. She's doing this to herself.

[Liam-]

She was wrong for what she said to Ongina and she acknowledged that and apologised, that doesn’t make Alexis any less wrong for the way she went at Cracker though

[Captain.Remy]

When you hear someone say they don't respect you, I'm pretty certain you're not going to like it that well. You may not like someone, but having no respect is harsh. Maybe that was not what Cracker meant, but the delivery and choice of words wasn't good. I get it that Alexis heard that and felt hurt.
It's petty drama anyway, but the fandom on Twitter/Instagram is going insane and extra over it making it difficult to enjoy the episodes sometimes :rolleyes:

[Liam-]

She didn’t say that though did she? Alexis made an argument out of something that wasn’t said for the sake of it

[Captain.Remy]

She didn’t say that though did she? Alexis made an argument out of something that wasn’t said for the sake of it

But she didn't just mention Mariah or Shea, she mentionned Jujubee too who wasn't in her maxi challenge group.:shrug: So by that Alexis thought it meant Cracker didn't respect her. That's heavily implied. And I see it to be fair.

Tbf it's not that deep. It's RPDR drama after all :joker:

[Braden]

It's fine for someone to state their opinion without getting into someone's head that harshly. She didn't have to do that to Ongina, she could have said it in a thousand different matters. She put Ongina's head under the water while Ongina was already drowning. She wasn't even in the bottom 2 so wtf. That was weak and that's that.

Was it really that harsh, though? I might have to re-watch. I mean, Ongina is almost 40-years-old, I don’t think she had to be treated with kid-gloves. Her performance was bad, tbh, and any combination of the bottom three could’ve been up for elimination.

[Daniel-X]

My problem with Cracker is I think she suffers from serious delusions of grandeur. Idk if it’s because she’s heralded so much by fans for very little (I mean she won one maxi challenge in her series, and her partner in the makeover challenge pretty much bagged her that win) or because she genuinely believes she is *THAT* bitch in the first place.

She has a lot to say for someone who is mediocre at best for a Drag Race girl.

[Jigs]

She's not sorry that she did those things, she's sorry it backfired on her and the racist fans will be quick to demonise Alexis for standing her ground while coddling Cracker and making her out to be the victim.

Not really. Cracker was definitely in the wrong for coming at Ongina but that doesn't warrant Alexis to do the same thing to Cracker the following week. It may be a taste of Cracker's own medicine or whatever but in Alexis' case you can't scald someones behaviour whilst calling her out infront of the group exactly like she did.

What Cracker did to Ongina was unprompted and purely for the drama and it was so hypocritical considering how she pretty much rallied her fanbase against Asia for saying she should go home in their season.

It's all apololies and victim acts with Cracker and given the hatred that Alexis is getting, it's basically a repeat of Cracker's first season.

This is tea though. I think Cracker gets as much hate as she deserves though, and certainly not more hate than Alexis Mateo has ever had!

[bbcanicons]

I don't think Cracker is a "villain" in any sense. I understand her anxiety and her lacking in knowledge about communication. I genuinely believe she would like to improve in that regard, and it was evident in how she regretted the way she approached Ongina and how she came across.

On the other hand, Alexis was hurt by the fact that she felt like Cracker didn't respect her, when, again, Cracker's communication skills were lacking, and what she said came across as though she didn't respect Alexis and a few other queens. Though I understand why Alexis was upset, I think the argument that came after was quite un-necessary, and a miscommunication on both parts, especially Cracker's.

I'm not a Cracker or Alexis stan, and I think if anyone was in the wrong, they both were, at different points. What Cracker said to Ongina could've been said with better intentions, yet at least she admitted that she would've said it differently later on.
Alexis didn't attempt to get any clarity, instead making a case for herself as she felt like she wasn't being viewed as competition.

That's just my point of view, but to each their own.

[Tom4784]

Cracker made a point of listing who she respected with the strong insinuation that she didn't respect anyone whose name she didn't state because she wasn't just talking about her group. Alexis was right to pull her up on it because she basically belittled anyone who wasn't Jujubee or in her group.

Alexis did nothing wrong, it's all on Cracker.

[Jigs]

Alexis had a problem with Cracker the entire episode. When she piped up regarding the "respect" comment it was already like Round 3 for Alexis at this point. Like I said before, Cracker had problems working with Mayhem/Blair last week and there was also a lot of underlying tension (specifically from Mayhem) which was never addressed with Cracker head-on. If Cracker's trying to articulate a point regarding being able to work comfortably/mesh well with certain queens in the competition, she simply isn't going to include people she has personal differences with. The only queen she truly excluded for no good reason was India.

[Captain.Remy]

Alexis had a problem with Cracker the entire episode. When she piped up regarding the "respect" comment it was already like Round 3 for Alexis at this point. Like I said before, Cracker had problems working with Mayhem/Blair last week and there was also a lot of underlying tension (specifically from Mayhem) which was never addressed with Cracker head-on. If Cracker's trying to articulate a point regarding being able to work comfortably/mesh well with certain queens in the competition, she simply isn't going to include people she has personal differences with. The only queen she truly excluded for no good reason was India.

But there's a difference between "being able to work comfortably/mesh well" and "respect". You can still respect someone and not being able to work comfortably. It happens in everybody's lives. I get that Alexis felt hurt or concerned about it. She really did nothing wrong yet to hear that Cracker doesn't respect her.

Surely a wrong choice of words from Cracker, she could have said "I find it easier to work with Mariah, Shea and Jujubee" for instance.
And it's just like when she went for Ongina, she could have just said "I felt like you should have been in the bottom 2" and end it. But no, she went extra both times and is now complaining about feeling misunderstood.
But she said what she said. Everybody understands her sound and clear.

[Braden]

Cracker made a point of listing who she respected with the strong insinuation that she didn't respect anyone whose name she didn't state because she wasn't just talking about her group. Alexis was right to pull her up on it because she basically belittled anyone who wasn't Jujubee or in her group.

Alexis did nothing wrong, it's all on Cracker.

How was the insinuation strong, though?

I understand Alexis' thought-process because Jujubee was included in the list of people, but it was probably subconscious on Cracker's part. I don't think it was a heavy-handed insinuation.