Multiple stabbed (3 dead) at Forbury Park in Reading

[Smithy]

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[Ninastar]

Wtfff

Is it gang related or do they think it was terrorism

[Oliver_W]

Allahu Ackbar? Britain First? Gang stuff? Random?

[Beso]

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:worry:

See.I made a thread earlier about going to the pub today..

I was going to be seeing my old friend again and her friends to sit in southwark park for the afternoon.. buying lager from the pub that was open..

But i didnt, I got myself in a mood about having to buy expensive **** when I just needed half of it..

So had a spliff and the fruity ciders and gin I was going to take...I hope my friends are safe.

[Beso]

Multiple suspects.

[thesheriff443]

There was a black lives matter protest there earlier in the day there is no reports that the stabbings are liked to the protest yet

Two sister celebrating one of thems birthday were stabbed to death recently in the early hours of the morning police are saying they were killed by a stranger.

That was also in a park.

[thesheriff443]

A man has been arrested at the scene.

[Beso]

Libyan..


I think I covered him.

[Babayaro.]

Get all your piglets suckling on your titties and come back...

I will wait.

me

[Beso]

me

3 died.

[arista]

Wtfff

Is it gang related or do they think it was terrorism


He is a Libyan Knife Terrorist.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-dealing-with-serious-incident-after-black-lives-matter-protest-in-reading-12011506

[arista]

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Large Sun on Sunday


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Large People

[thesheriff443]

It’s being treated as a terror attack.

[Swan]

Considering how under threat we from terror attacks in this country, with all these protests (large vulnerable groups of people) im actually surprised it's taken this long. Very, very sad but was probably inevitable.

[arista]

It’s being treated as a terror attack.


Yes Evil Libyan

[Ammi]

...just horrendous and inconceivable as to what the families are going through right now...there is still one victim in a serious condition, I hope with all my heart that they recover...

[Ammi]

Yes Evil Libyan

...Arista, if they’re confirmed as terrorist killings then ‘evil terrorist’ would be enough...you wouldn’t say evil English person or evil Scottish person...

[arista]

...Arista, if they’re confirmed as terrorist killings then ‘evil terrorist’ would be enough...you wouldn’t say evil English person or evil Scottish person...


After 3 people murdered
I would say Evil.

[joeysteele]

Tragic news.
Devastating for those left behind too.

Senseless and tragic unnecessary losses of lives.
How crazy things are.

Respect for lives just seems to be disappearing.
So sad.

[Beso]

Not being treated as a terrorist incident...

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Group of middle aged men sitting having a drink in the Park, RIP to the victims

[Oliver_W]

Considering how under threat we from terror attacks in this country, with all these protests (large vulnerable groups of people) im actually surprised it's taken this long. Very, very sad but was probably inevitable.

There's been plenty of injuries and damage caused in the protests, some of it could easily have been done with terrorist intent.

[Ammi]

The investigation into an knife attack in Reading yesterday that killed three will shortly be upgraded to a terror investigation, The Telegraph understands.

Sources said a suspect arrested by police is a Libyan national in his twenties.

He has been held in police custody overnight.

Yesterday evening, at least six people were stabbed in a park in Reading, killing three.

Armed police could be seen searching a block of flats in the town late last night.

Police originally said the incident was not thought to be terror-related, but The Telegraph understands the current murder investigation will be upgraded later today.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/reading-stabbings-boris-johnson-appalled-070757968.html

[arista]

Not being treated as a terrorist incident...


It is again


Reading stabbings: Police declare
the three killings a Terror Incident

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-53127095

https://news.sky.com/story/police-dealing-with-serious-incident-after-black-lives-matter-protest-in-reading-12011506

[joeysteele]

It is again


Reading stabbings: Police declare
the three killings a Terror Incident

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-53127095

https://news.sky.com/story/police-dealing-with-serious-incident-after-black-lives-matter-protest-in-reading-12011506

It is Indeed arista.

[arista]

Evil attacker, Khairi Saadallah,
is a Libyan asylum seeker
who was living in a flat in Reading,
Sky News understands.

[arista]

[‘He lived in Manchester first and now lives in Reading.
I think the authorities in Britain have
tried to send him back to Libya but he doesn’t want to go back.
He’s been in the UK for about seven years
so is practically British now.’
Earlier today it was revealed the 25-year-old
has previously been jailed for minor
non-terror related offences, according to reports.

The revelation came as counter-terrorism police
declared yesterday's attack in Reading
as a 'terrorist incident'.
Counter-terrorism police will take over
the investigation after the frenzied knife
attack in Forbury Gardens, in the centre of the Berkshire town.

It comes after witnesses said an attacker
with a 'five inch knife' targeted and
stabbed people 'at random' before being
'rugby-tackled' to the ground by one
unarmed police officer.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8444409/Terror-attack-Reading-Suspect-Libyan-asylum-seeker-released-prison.html

[Cherie]

[‘He lived in Manchester first and now lives in Reading.
I think the authorities in Britain have
tried to send him back to Libya but he doesn’t want to go back.
He’s been in the UK for about seven years
so is practically British now.’
Earlier today it was revealed the 25-year-old
has previously been jailed for minor
non-terror related offences, according to reports.

The revelation came as counter-terrorism police
declared yesterday's attack in Reading
as a 'terrorist incident'.
Counter-terrorism police will take over
the investigation after the frenzied knife
attack in Forbury Gardens, in the centre of the Berkshire town.

It comes after witnesses said an attacker
with a 'five inch knife' targeted and
stabbed people 'at random' before being
'rugby-tackled' to the ground by one
unarmed police officer.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8444409/Terror-attack-Reading-Suspect-Libyan-asylum-seeker-released-prison.html

Rugby tackled by an unarmed police man....:clap1:

Not quite **** da police today eh

[Denver]

[‘He lived in Manchester first and now lives in Reading.
I think the authorities in Britain have
tried to send him back to Libya but he doesn’t want to go back.
He’s been in the UK for about seven years
so is practically British now.’
Earlier today it was revealed the 25-year-old
has previously been jailed for minor
non-terror related offences, according to reports.

The revelation came as counter-terrorism police
declared yesterday's attack in Reading
as a 'terrorist incident'.
Counter-terrorism police will take over
the investigation after the frenzied knife
attack in Forbury Gardens, in the centre of the Berkshire town.

It comes after witnesses said an attacker
with a 'five inch knife' targeted and
stabbed people 'at random' before being
'rugby-tackled' to the ground by one
unarmed police officer.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8444409/Terror-attack-Reading-Suspect-Libyan-asylum-seeker-released-prison.html
They couldn't send him back but they could send the people they bought over to build the country back home?

[Oliver_W]

They couldn't send him back but they could send the people they bought over to build the country back home?

Who?

[Zizu]

This kind of thing happens far too often for my liking .. .. I wonder if other countries would have dealt with him in some other way ?

Surely if we know or suspect someone is thinking / planning a terror attack we should be able to refuse entry or deport them ??

::::


The man held on suspicion of killing three people at a park in Reading is Khairi Saadallah.
The 25-year-old from the town was arrested at the scene on Saturday and police say they are not looking for anyone else over the terror incident.
Sources told the BBC he is originally from Libya and was brought to the attention of MI5 in 2019.
PM Boris Johnson said he was "appalled and sickened" by the attack in Forbury Gardens on Saturday evening.
Security sources told the BBC the suspect came to the attention of the security services after they received information he had aspirations to travel to Syria - potentially for terrorism.


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[Cherie]

Who?

Windrush I presume

The Asylum seeker will have had access to free legals I assume, whereas Windrush were on their own

[arista]

TRTworldHD
just reported last year he was on the Police list
as he wanted to help Terrorists.

[arista]

They couldn't send him back but they could send the people they bought over to build the country back home?

Johnson PM said he may have to change the Law.

[Zizu]

Johnson PM said he may have to change the Law.



Ideally any terror suspects should be refused entry / deported for the safety of the masses .


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[Zizu]

He’s previously been jailed for assault and fined for carrying a knife ... apparently



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[Smithy]

......



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I agree

[Denver]

Who?

Windrush

[Withano]

I’ve stayed quiet cos it just feels a bit close to home. Been in that park thousands of times.

Had 6 mutual friends with one of the deceased and 3 with another. Past 24 hours have just felt like the worlds worst waiting game and there’s still names to be released

[rusticgal]

I’ve stayed quiet cos it just feels a bit close to home. Been in that park thousands of times.

Had 6 mutual friends with one of the deceased and 3 with another. Past 24 hours have just felt like the worlds worst waiting game and there’s still names to be released


:hug:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

I’ve stayed quiet cos it just feels a bit close to home. Been in that park thousands of times.

Had 6 mutual friends with one of the deceased and 3 with another. Past 24 hours have just felt like the worlds worst waiting game and there’s still names to be released

Sorry to hear that Withano x

[Ninastar]

What I want to know is why, when these events happen, the suspect is always on some kind of ‘watch list’ or already known to the police?

Surely if they aren’t of British nationality, they should be sent back where they travelled from? Especially if they had already been in jail for something like assault?

There’s so many good and genuine people that could have a better life in the UK and then there’s people like those who jeopardise it for everyone

[Ammi]

I’ve stayed quiet cos it just feels a bit close to home. Been in that park thousands of times.

Had 6 mutual friends with one of the deceased and 3 with another. Past 24 hours have just felt like the worlds worst waiting game and there’s still names to be released

...Withano :hug:...with random terrorist killings like this, we always think of how it could be any of us, enjoying a day out etc...but when the images are of familiar places we frequent as well ...and when the victims are connected in some way as well..?...it just chills right through us...I’m sorry for how you’re feeling right now on a personal level and I’m so, so sorry for the loss to your friends who knew the victims...:hug:..

[Zizu]

It’s interesting to see that MI5 knew all about him but are adamant they didn’t have ENOUGH evidence to act upon .

They should be made to release the evidence they DID have on him for us to see ... AFTER the court case


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[Babayaro.]

I’ve stayed quiet cos it just feels a bit close to home. Been in that park thousands of times.

Had 6 mutual friends with one of the deceased and 3 with another. Past 24 hours have just felt like the worlds worst waiting game and there’s still names to be released

Can't begin to imagine what this feels like :(

:hug:

[Cherie]

Parents pay tribute to wonderful son

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/parents-of-reading-terror-victim-james-furlong-pay-tribute-to-best-son-you-could-wish-for/ar-BB15NAi4?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

[Cherie]

It’s interesting to see that MI5 knew all about him but are adamant they didn’t have ENOUGH evidence to act upon .

They should be made to release the evidence they DID have on him for us to see ... AFTER the court case


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He was out of prison for just 16 days after being released after 7 months into a 27 month sentence, certainly seems to be a pattern with the last 3 attacks

[Cherie]

What I want to know is why, when these events happen, the suspect is always on some kind of ‘watch list’ or already known to the police?

Surely if they aren’t of British nationality, they should be sent back where they travelled from? Especially if they had already been in jail for something like assault?

There’s so many good and genuine people that could have a better life in the UK and then there’s people like those who jeopardise it for everyone

That would be the ideal wouldn't it, he should have lost his asylum status once convicted of a crime, the system is far too soft

[Ammi]

...it’s a ‘jigsaw puzzle’ that I’m sure we’ll become aware of the missing pieces of it as to why he was released early and how the ‘public danger’ of his release was obviously not being recognised to be the threat it was with the reality it became...I’ve read very little about him, other than his mental health issues being inferred as possibly why he was released early from his prison sentence and also mentioned again as a factor in these horrendous acts...Just so much for the families of his victims to be given answers for and too much missing information atm...making it hard to form any judgement for me personally...

[Ammi]

...another whose life was taken has been named as Joe Ritchie-Bennett, 39, an American from Philadelphia...he had lived in the U.K. for 15 years but his family are still in Philadelphia...

[arista]

...another whose life was taken has been named as Joe Ritchie-Bennett, 39, an American from Philadelphia...he had lived in the U.K. for 15 years but his family are still in Philadelphia...


Yes will not go down well
in USA

[Livia]

It’s interesting to see that MI5 knew all about him but are adamant they didn’t have ENOUGH evidence to act upon .

They should be made to release the evidence they DID have on him for us to see ... AFTER the court case


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There are over 20,000 people on the list. More than 3000 of them are seen as extremely dangerous.

How are we going to follow and track them all?

Why would the security services want to show the public the list or anything about it? How would you know what was evidence and what wasn't?

[Zizu]

There are over 20,000 people on the list. More than 3000 of them are seen as extremely dangerous.



How are we going to follow and track them all?



Why would the security services want to show the public the list or anything about it? How would you know what was evidence and what wasn't?



Well they decided that there wasn’t enough evidence to ‘really’ worry about someone who went and attacked and slaughtered a load of innocent people...I’d like to know what they DID know about him ...


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[Oliver_W]

It'd be much safer all round if a lot of the more dangerous people on the watch list ... ahem, "met with accidents". They're liabilities and a drain on public money and resources, so just get rid.

[arista]

Well they decided that there wasn’t enough evidence to ‘really’ worry about someone who went and attacked and slaughtered a load of innocent people...I’d like to know what they DID know about him ...


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They had him on File
after making Terrorist Threats online.


But did not have staff to watch him.


His hands were painted red , they say.

[Livia]

Well they decided that there wasn’t enough evidence to ‘really’ worry about someone who went and attacked and slaughtered a load of innocent people...I’d like to know what they DID know about him ...


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I doubt the security services think you have a high enough clearance to be sending stuff to you.

[arista]

Live Parliament
The Home Secretary is now talking of this attack
All media.

[Zizu]

I doubt the security services think you have a high enough clearance to be sending stuff to you.



You’d be surprised..


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[The Slim Reaper]

Chief commissioner Zizu

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[arista]

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[Liam-]

They say that, but you could get attacked by anybody on the street, you walk past people you don’t know every day, why are those people any scarier?... one guess

[Brother Leon]

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I feel more unsafe for myself and my family due to Twitter accounts like this raising blatant Racism and Islamaphobia than I would in anyway from migrants.

[Zizu]

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There was a professor on Radio 5 this morning and he said that due to the decades of illegal immigrants slipping onto our shores we really have NO idea what our population is .


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[Cherie]

They say that, but you could get attacked by anybody on the street, you walk past people you don’t know every day, why are those people any scarier?... one guess

for sure they might be 40 normals bods looking for that better life, but equally they could be 40 bods out to cause harm, would you let stranger through your front door no questions asked? No point being naive about it, you have to look at life in a balanced way...not put your hands over your eyes and hope for the best

[arista]

I feel more unsafe for myself and my family due to Twitter accounts like this raising blatant Racism and Islamaphobia than I would in anyway from migrants.


That's not good.
I hope it improves.

[Liam-]

for sure they might be 40 normals bods looking for that better life, but equally they could be 40 bods out to cause harm, would you let stranger through your front door no questions asked? No point being naive about it, you have to look at life in a balanced way...not put your hands over your eyes and hope for the best

I wouldn’t let any stranger into my house, the question I was asking, was why are these strangers scarier than the average stranger on the street? There’s one very big reason.

[Cherie]

David Wails is the third victim to be named

[Ammi]

I feel more unsafe for myself and my family due to Twitter accounts like this raising blatant Racism and Islamaphobia than I would in anyway from migrants.

...yeah totally, Leon...the social media sites are toxic in terms of promoting prejudices...

[Cherie]

I wouldn’t let any stranger into my house, the question I was asking, was why are these strangers scarier than the average stranger on the street? There’s one very big reason.

They are not any scarier, the difference is they are undocumented with no history so any criminal past is wiped clean

[Liam-]

They are not any scarier, the difference is they are undocumented with no history so any criminal past is wiped clean

And there are many white British criminals walking around that haven’t been caught so have no record?

As a gay, I’ve had to learn to adhere my behaviour to the outside world so I don’t attract attention from the wrong type of people and find myself in a dangerous situation, migrants crossing the boarder isn’t a massive boogeyman to me, we have to be weary of everyone, immigrants aren’t an exclusive threat to the UK

[Cherie]

And there are many white British criminals walking around that haven’t been caught so have no record?

As a gay, I’ve had to learn to adhere my behaviour to the outside world so I don’t attract attention from the wrong type of people and find myself in a dangerous situation, migrants crossing the boarder isn’t a massive boogeyman to me, we have to be weary of everyone, immigrants aren’t an exclusive threat to the UK

I dont think anyone would disagree with that :suspect: and I never intimated anything of the sort that you are suggesting..illegals are just that...in the country illegally and should be shipped back to whence they came unless there is a legitimate reason for them to stay

[Liam-]

I dont think anyone would disagree with that :suspect: and I never intimated anything of the sort that you are suggesting..illegals are just that...in the country illegally and should be shipped back to whence they came unless there is a legitimate reason for them to stay

You seemed to be agreeing with the tweet at hand, asking us if we feel safe, the answer is, I and many other people don’t feel 100% safe in a lot of situations, no matter whether someone is illegal, legal or born here, when you have things like that to worry about, it doesn’t matter what someone’s immigration status is

[Beso]

All victims were vocal members of the local LGBTQ community.

RIP.

[The Slim Reaper]

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I do not support this tweet, but let me show you my thread on this very subject...

[arista]

I do not support this tweet, but let me show you my thread on this very subject...


Well Done Slim.

[arista]

All victims were vocal members of the local LGBTQ community.

RIP.


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[Oliver_W]

I wonder if his harddrive's been searched yet, and how much extremist material is on it...

All victims were vocal members of the local LGBTQ community.

RIP.
Hmm, it's possible it's a coincidence, and their little group just happened to be the one he went for.

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I'm not scared of any individuals. But they come from cultures with crappy views toward women and LGBT people, so I'd theoretically have more to worry about than Bob Random.

[arista]

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[Ninastar]

There are over 20,000 people on the list. More than 3000 of them are seen as extremely dangerous.

How are we going to follow and track them all?

Why would the security services want to show the public the list or anything about it? How would you know what was evidence and what wasn't?

This is genuinely terrifying

[caprimint]

They say that, but you could get attacked by anybody on the street, you walk past people you don’t know every day, why are those people any scarier?... one guess
Lol you act like there's not a reason for it

[Withano]

All victims were vocal members of the local LGBTQ community.

RIP.

This is true

My friend said, that her friend said, that the terrorist was on grinder.

I wouldn’t wanna throw out theories about how interlinked these are but doesn’t the app show you how close people are by the meter?

[bots]

it doesn't matter what the individuals motivations were, anyone that goes around stabbing people is a nut job and should never see the light of day again.

[Cherie]

it doesn't matter what the individuals motivations were, anyone that goes around stabbing people is a nut job and should never see the light of day again.

Its not like he stopped with killing the 3, he ran after someone else who was too fast for him and then turn to another group sitting on the grass with their back to him, and stabbed them, not fatally thankfully

[Ninastar]

This is true

My friend said, that her friend said, that the terrorist was on grinder.

I wouldn’t wanna throw out theories about how interlinked these are but doesn’t the app show you how close people are by the meter?

This is terrifying and I feel like this is a really important factor that people should be talking about. ESP if they were targeted specifically for being LGBT

[Crimson Dynamo]

islamic terror is our BIG worry (terrorism) - prisons are the breeding ground and poor border control as has been discussed here at length

no threat is anywhere close for sure

the GBP and security services know this and are worried

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is terrifying and I feel like this is a really important factor that people should be talking about. ESP if they were targeted specifically for being LGBT

isnt it just 3 gay guys were sitting together?]



or have i got that wrong?

[Beso]

This is true

My friend said, that her friend said, that the terrorist was on grinder.

I wouldn’t wanna throw out theories about how interlinked these are but doesn’t the app show you how close people are by the meter?

I never lie.

[Zizu]

isnt it just 3 gay guys were sitting together?]







or have i got that wrong?



I heard it was a group of around 10 or so guys standing together chatting ..


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[Kizzy]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/22/reading-terror-suspect-had-ptsd-other-mental-health-issues-khairi-saadallah

Is it just me? ( prob)

Why is this a terrorist incident? Yes the young man was a refugee but this does not appear to have the hallmarks of any ideological reasoning behind it.

The man was simply mentally unstable generally. Can you not be a foreign national and just have a breakdown?
It's very confusing given the recent history of terrorist incidents to have some extremist link, there doesn't appear to be one. Therefore the suggestion he is is a little bit misleading.

[Smithy]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/22/reading-terror-suspect-had-ptsd-other-mental-health-issues-khairi-saadallah

Is it just me? ( prob)

Why is this a terrorist incident? Yes the young man was a refugee but this does not appear to have the hallmarks of any ideological reasoning behind it.

The man was simply mentally unstable generally. Can you not be a foreign national and just have a breakdown?
It's very confusing given the recent history of terrorist incidents to have some extremist link, there doesn't appear to be one. Therefore the suggestion he is is a little bit misleading.

I believe this is the reason

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[Swan]

I believe this is the reason

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No that's ridiculous, the attackers motive here was obviously that he's homophobic. Now to commit these kinds of terrorist attacks, being mentally unstable is a given. But it's why they commit these acts, the driving force. Islamic driven terrorist attacks are the number 1 cause of anything terror related in the UK. These people believe in a cause, and are more times than not encouraged and aided by perfectly stable people.

[Moniqua]

No that's ridiculous, the attackers motive here was obviously that he's homophobic. Now to commit these kinds of terrorist attacks, being mentally unstable is a given. But it's why they commit these acts, the driving force. Islamic driven terrorist attacks are the number 1 cause of anything terror related in the UK. These people believe in a cause, and are more times than not encouraged and aided by perfectly stable people.

stop being silly!

[Oliver_W]

Terror attack or homophobic hate crime? Awful creature either way.

[Swan]

stop being silly!

Ok?..... :shrug:

[Moniqua]

sick of the clownery!

[Ninastar]

I guess what happened at pulse wasn’t terrorism either lol!

[Swan]

sick of the clownery!

What was 'clownery' about my post? Interested to hear your take on it?

[Swan]

I guess what happened at pulse wasn’t terrorism either lol!

Who said that?

[Ninastar]

I’m being ironic, there’s comments here saying this might not be a terrorist attack which is absolutely... ridiculous

[Swan]

I’m being ironic, there’s comments here saying this might not be a terrorist attack which is absolutely... ridiculous

Oh yeah, that is ridiculous.

[Smithy]

No that's ridiculous, the attackers motive here was obviously that he's homophobic. Now to commit these kinds of terrorist attacks, being mentally unstable is a given. But it's why they commit these acts, the driving force. Islamic driven terrorist attacks are the number 1 cause of anything terror related in the UK. These people believe in a cause, and are more times than not encouraged and aided by perfectly stable people.

But we don’t know if he attacked those people BECAUSE they were gay or just because they were the unlucky people who were in his path :shrug: as usual people jump the gun before getting all the facts

[Moniqua]

What was 'clownery' about my post? Interested to hear your take on it?

don't play dumb

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[Swan]

But we don’t know if he attacked those people BECAUSE they were gay or just because they were the unlucky people who were in his path :shrug: as usual people jump the gun before getting all the facts

Ok well if the motive is 100% confirmed that he did indeed kill these people because they were gay, regardless of colour that still makes him a terrorist. That's my point to the og post of yours i quoted.

[Swan]

don't play dumb

https://66.media.tumblr.com/52266d9806a4ae1c7254cc20a1a677ec/tumblr_mwhhshxSy11qhcp6ho1_400.gif

Most ironic post i've ever seen on here :laugh:

[Smithy]

Ok well if the motive is 100% confirmed that he did indeed kill these people because they were gay, regardless of colour that still makes him a terrorist. That's my point to the og post of yours i quoted.

And if it isn’t? Then what?

[Moniqua]

And if it isn’t? Then what?

then there is one more ignorant white person in this world who racially profiles a minority at every given opportunity! :dance:

[Liam-]

I think the point Smithy was making is that whenever a poc or a foreigner is the perpetrator in an incident like this, it doesn’t take long before the incidents are declared as terrorism, but when white people do things like this, they actually take their time to investigate before declaring what it was and we all know why that happens

[Smithy]

I think the point Smithy was making is that whenever a poc or a foreigner is the perpetrator in an incident like this, it doesn’t take long before the incidents are declared as terrorism, but when white people do things like this, they actually take their time to investigate before declaring what it was and we all know why that happens

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And even if it’s something that would usually be classed as terrorism it ends up being because they were mentally unstable

[Swan]

And if it isn’t? Then what?

Then the Police need to investigate a motive, there is always a motive. Apparently he converted from Islam to Christianity a couple years back, and is known by Police for his threats of terrorism.

[Swan]

then there is one more ignorant white person in this world who racially profiles a minority at every given opportunity! :dance:

It's been declared a terror attack though? What does his race have to do with it? When have i mentioned race?

Ignorant is right, it doesn't apply to me here though it applies to you.

[Moniqua]

It's been declared a terror attack though? What does his race have to do with it? When have i mentioned race?

Ignorant is right, it doesn't apply to me here though it applies to you.

why are you still being silly?

[Smithy]

Then the Police need to investigate a motive, there is always a motive. Apparently he converted from Islam to Christianity a couple years back, and is known by Police for his threats of terrorism.
Gee you think they’d do that BEFORE they declare it’s a terroir attack huh!

[Swan]

Gee you think they’d do that BEFORE they declare it’s a terroir attack huh!

The terrorist aspect is clear, the question is why did he do it. Was it in the name on Islam, Christianity, because he was homophobic?

Stabbing to death 3 people in a park, and only members of the public preventing him from killing more, is an act of terrorism.

[Denver]

He didnt know them so how did he know they were gay?

[Kizzy]

No that's ridiculous, the attackers motive here was obviously that he's homophobic. Now to commit these kinds of terrorist attacks, being mentally unstable is a given. But it's why they commit these acts, the driving force. Islamic driven terrorist attacks are the number 1 cause of anything terror related in the UK. These people believe in a cause, and are more times than not encouraged and aided by perfectly stable people.

Do you have a reason to believe he was an Islamic extremist and/ or a homophobe?

[Swan]

He didnt know them so how did he know they were gay?

How do we know that?

Do you have a reason to believe he was an Islamic extremist and/ or a homophobe?

Yes i do, he is on the UK's terrorist list, is known by police for threatening terrorism. And has openly stated in the past he will 'kill/fight' for IS.

As for homophobic, hands up i didn't read enough about the story, saying 'obviously' was wrong, and i take that back, Of course there is a chance, but we don;t know that yet.

But no matter how you look at this, it was an act of terrorism. His race really has nothing to do with it.

edit - if you read my post again, you'll see after my first statement i was generalising

[Zizu]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/22/reading-terror-suspect-had-ptsd-other-mental-health-issues-khairi-saadallah

Is it just me? ( prob)

Why is this a terrorist incident? Yes the young man was a refugee but this does not appear to have the hallmarks of any ideological reasoning behind it.

The man was simply mentally unstable generally. Can you not be a foreign national and just have a breakdown?
It's very confusing given the recent history of terrorist incidents to have some extremist link, there doesn't appear to be one. Therefore the suggestion he is is a little bit misleading.



I thought I’d heard that MI5 had a file open on his links with terrorism ?


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[Kizzy]

How do we know that?



Yes i do, he is on the UK's terrorist list, is known by police for threatening terrorism. And has openly stated in the past he will 'kill/fight' for IS.

As for homophobic, hands up i didn't read enough about the story, saying 'obviously' was wrong, and i take that back, Of course there is a chance, but we don;t know that yet.

But no matter how you look at this, it was an act of terrorism. His race really has nothing to do with it.

edit - if you read my post again, you'll see after my first statement i was generalising

Do you have a link to the suggestion he was an extremist? There was no mention of that in the info I read.

'Saadallah was on the radar of MI5 in the middle of last year, sources said, when he was briefly placed under investigation as a person who might travel abroad “for extremist reasons”. The inquiry was closed relatively quickly without any action being taken, as no genuine threat or immediate risk was identified.'

To me this suggests he may be vulnerable to suggestion or radicalisation due to his mental health issues, nothing more.

[Swan]

Do you have a link to the suggestion he was an extremist? There was no mention of that in the info I read.

Yes just google, every major news outlet is reporting his links to terrorism.

[Kizzy]

Yes just google, every major news outlet is reporting his links to terrorism.

'In 2018, he is understood to have been assessed by Prevent and found to have no clear ideology. He was deemed to need additional mental health support. In the same year, the Libyan national was granted asylum in the UK.

In the middle of last year, MI5 had Saadallah under investigation as a person who might travel to Libya “for extremist reasons”. That claim was found to lack credibility and he was assessed as being far from the legal threshold for investigation.'

Where in there says the guy had links? What links can you show me?

[Swan]

'In 2018, he is understood to have been assessed by Prevent and found to have no clear ideology. He was deemed to need additional mental health support. In the same year, the Libyan national was granted asylum in the UK.

In the middle of last year, MI5 had Saadallah under investigation as a person who might travel to Libya “for extremist reasons”. That claim was found to lack credibility and he was assessed as being far from the legal threshold for investigation.'

Where in there says the guy had links? What links can you show me?

"MI5 had Saadallah under investigation as a person who might travel to Libya “for extremist reasons”."

Is that not a link to terrorism? Even if only threatened, i call that a link.

[Kizzy]

"MI5 had Saadallah under investigation as a person who might travel to Libya “for extremist reasons”."

Is that not a link to terrorism? Even if only threatened, i call that a link.

'That claim was found to lack credibility and he was assessed as being far from the legal threshold for investigation.'

No thats not a link, a link is evidence with a basis.
The claim had no credibility... should there have been a link that would have given said claim some credibility.

[Swan]

'That claim was found to lack credibility and he was assessed as being far from the legal threshold for investigation.'

No thats not a link, a link is evidence with a basis.
The claim had no credibility... should there have been a link that would have given said claim some credibility.

Just because it lacked credibility doesn't mean there isn't truth to it. The fact of the matter is this man committed an act of terrorism when he murdered those 3 innocent men. Most,not all, but most terrorist acts which result in death the UK are committed by Islamic Extremists, so when in the headlines you see 'man kills 3 people in terror attack' it's perfectly reasonable to question 'was this Islam related' because it happens so frequently in this country.

It does seem this man had many mental health problems, and im sure more information will surface in the coming days. But people can't be blamed for being sceptical when similar attacks are regularly at the hands of IS extremists in the UK.

[Denver]

Apparently he had converted to christianity years ago and wanted to marry a brit girl he was dating

[Oliver_W]

Apparently he had converted to christianity years ago and wanted to marry a brit girl he was dating

Okay, so it was a Christian terror attack :shrug: or a homophobic hate crime.

[Livia]

Why is there always a conversation about whether he was a terrorist, when MI5 considered him a person of interest?

Seems like a redundant discussion.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm not a lawyer, but wouldn't it be because being a suspect in a crime is not the same as a guilty verdict?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Reading stabbings suspect shouted 'Allahu Akbar' moments before killing three, court hears

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