Conservatives vote AGAINST testing NHS workers weekly for CoronaVirus

[Smithy]

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Yikes

[Ramsay]

But...why?

[The Slim Reaper]

Can't be criticised for failing to protect NHS workers if we don't bother to find out whether they're ill.

[Oliver_W]

I think it's ridiculous they're not being tested regularly anyway.

[Swan]

Yeah ridiculous decision.

[Beso]

Perhaps they want daily checks?

[Jigs]

Highly unsurprising considering the Conservatives' tendency to only care about themselves

[MB.]

More proof that the weekly round of applause was never really about thanking NHS workers

[Liam-]

Of course they did, because why would they start caring about the nhs and it’s staff after 10 years of decimating it?

[joeysteele]

It speaks volumes.
Shows their real side.

[Nicky91]

tories only thinking about themselves *pretendstobeshocked*

[Cherie]

For context


In response, the minister for care, Helen Whately, said that NHS staff with symptoms would continue to be prioritised for testing and that there would be extra testing for staff without symptoms where there was an incident or outbreak, or high prevalence, as well as regular surveillance testing of staff. She said, “On the advice of our chief medical officer, this will be fortnightly or more frequently depending on local or national epidemiology.”

[Liam-]

Helen Whately doesn’t know her arse from her elbow

[Cherie]

Helen Whately doesn’t know her arse from her elbow

it's the advice from the CMO, we follow the science or no?

I don't get the issue, anyone can ask for a test at any time, and if they are routinely being tested fortnightly or more frequently if there is a a flare up it seems reasonable? no?

Anyone visiting a hospital and all staff have to wear masks and those in high risk areas will have PPE

By all accounts it is not the most pleasant of tests so it seems a bit of disingenous motion that was brought to generate the headline TORYs vote against the NHS, that is the way I see it at any rate :D:

[joeysteele]

Helen Whately doesn’t know her arse from her elbow

She's a walking disaster.
How she's survived as a Minister is beyond belief, or should be.

[joeysteele]

The bill was to introduce weekly testing for NHS and Care staff.
I think that is wise.
Especially now as more is being opened up again.

The science has been selectively followed by this Government when it suited it to.
The science has not always been right.
As has been stated by even those advising the government, stating had the lockdown been even a week earlier, thousands of lives may have been saved.

331 Conservatives voted against this bill.
That speaks volumes in any context.

[Liam-]

If they were following the science Boris wouldn’t be opening England up to the extent that he is, they pick and choose when they follow the science, either they are or they’re not

[hijaxers]

Highly unsurprising considering the Conservatives' tendency to only care about themselves

Well i think the GBP is getting very peed off with this government, everyone i'm speaking to is ! and with very good reason.

[hijaxers]

She's a walking disaster.
How she's survived as a Minister is beyond belief, or should be.

Yeah she's on the list of crap ministers , which is growing by the minute it seems.

[Ammi]

If they were following the science Boris wouldn’t be opening England up to the extent that he is, they pick and choose when they follow the science, either they are or they’re not

...for me, it’s not just the picking and choosing../...how selective they are..?...it’s how dishonest and disingenuous as well...

[joeysteele]

...for me, it’s not just the picking and choosing../...how selective they are..?...it’s how dishonest and disingenuous as well...

Ooh, wish I'd thought of that.

Absolutely right is that too.

[Tom4784]

The Tories screwing over the NHS? Business as usual.

Not that Tory voters will care though, Boris will do something Boris-y, his voters will cheer and guffaw and everything will be right as rain with them as Boris continues to dismantle the NHS.

After all, voters did their part, they stood on their step and clapped, they can't be expected to do more than that...

[user104658]

To be frrrr, most trusts have tests available on request for NHS staff members. I'm not sure how I feel about MANDATORY weekly testing. It is after all a medical procedure and an absolute cornerstone of a good healthcare system - one that we really don't want to touch, in my opinion - is that any medical procedure should only ever be carried out with informed consent.

[Kizzy]

Isn't it an obvious solution though?
With this track and trace thing aren't you suposed to be tested if you've come into contact with those with the virus?

That would be huge swathes of the NHS on the daily then?

[bots]

To be frrrr, most trusts have tests available on request for NHS staff members. I'm not sure how I feel about MANDATORY weekly testing. It is after all a medical procedure and an absolute cornerstone of a good healthcare system - one that we really don't want to touch, in my opinion - is that any medical procedure should only ever be carried out with informed consent.

Correct, it is an invasion of peoples liberty to make testing mandatory as a matter of routine. It's fine if there has been an incident or someone is feeling unwell, but that is very different circumstances. Also, the priority for NHS staff was when testing was very limited, that is no longer the case, anyone who wants a test can get one. How would people feel about having mandatory std tests after every sexual episode, there would be outrage ....

Just another attempt to smear the government without justification. There are many things that they can legitimately be called out on without resorting to complete rubbish

[joeysteele]

This isn't scientific.
I do have several of my own family who are NHS nursing staff.

They and the colleagues they work with.
Are in favour of the tests being done weekly.
As a routine.

For both their protection and the patients protection.

The main danger before was NHS staff weren't being tested at all, during the early period of this pandemic.

I'm sure others on here, have family and friends working in the NHS.
I wonder if they get a different view to all the ones I've been told of.

In the absence of full facts from NHS staff, we only have our views, and from anyone we know in the NHS.

I'd like to see, rather than MPs deciding this, for all NHS workers to be asked if they want this.

If I worked in the NHS, speaking only for myself, I would.
For the line I've been told.
To protect myself and ALL other patients too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

For context


In response, the minister for care, Helen Whately, said that NHS staff with symptoms would continue to be prioritised for testing and that there would be extra testing for staff without symptoms where there was an incident or outbreak, or high prevalence, as well as regular surveillance testing of staff. She said, “On the advice of our chief medical officer, this will be fortnightly or more frequently depending on local or national epidemiology.”

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[joeysteele]

Yeah she's on the list of crap ministers , which is growing by the minute it seems.

Sorry to break the end of this thread.:joker:

However if I've something to say I'll say it.

You are correct hijackers.
This atrocious Helen Whateley, cannot be trusted on her word at all.

She never even knew the losses of elderly loved ones in Care Homes losing their lives.

She was pressed twice on figures and issues by Piers Morgan.
Even when he was showing her the facts, she still stuck to a dumber line.

He was right when he asked, how was she still a Minister when she hadn't a clue on anything.

I'm not going to suddenly take her word as gospel.

As with PPE, plus testing, the real losses of loved ones.
This government has promised much but delivered next to nothing.

Frankly how Helen Whateley is to now be trusted, or even still allowed to make any promises after her ignorance and/or deceit, is a total insult.

[smudgie]

My niece is a medical student, now working in the hospital to help out with covid.
My hairdressers daughter is a nurse on the covid itu ward.
Neither want testing as mandatory every fortnight, week or month, but are happy they have an option to have one if they feel the need.
So if staff are nervous then they can have the tests if they wish, as their choice.
On another note, hubby received a letter from the NHS yesterday asking if he would like to take part in the random home testing scheme. Looks quite straight forward.

[Headie]

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[Jigs]

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[bots]

jeremy hunt isn't in the cabinet, it is therefore only an opinion

[Brother Leon]

Well i think the GBP is getting very peed off with this government, everyone i'm speaking to is ! and with very good reason.

Well. It’s abit too late for that. The majority of the public have voted this Government with an overwhelming majority that will allow them to do whatever for 5 years.

Time to stomach it and those will have no one to blame but themselves now.

[joeysteele]

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Amazing how he's talked more sense since not being a Minister.

He has been part of the looking at the health issues here.

He's talked a fair bit of sense all through on this and a fair few times seemed to contradict the government line.
Since becoming the chair of the Health and Social Care Committee.

I didn't rate him as a Health secretary, particularly over the junior Doctors dispute he helped inflame.
However he had a long stint as Health secretary so must have a fair knowledge of what is required.

He's right here, although that's just my opinion.

[Tom4784]

Well. It’s abit too late for that. The majority of the public have voted this Government with an overwhelming majority that will allow them to do whatever for 5 years.

Time to stomach it and those will have no one to blame but themselves now.

Yup, anyone gullible enough to vote tory only has themselves to blame at this point. A bunch of frogs that decided to trust a scorpion not to sting them and now they're realising they've already been stung.