WHY are the extreme Left obsessed with Israel and Luvvies??

[Crimson Dynamo]

Superb article in today's Telegraph

The trouble with double-standards in the age of mass communication is that everybody can see them. Where once an individual, institution or movement might have hoped to conceal their hypocrisies, now they are there for everyone to witness. So it is with the case of Maxine Peake. This week, the actress made headlines because of an interview in which she alleged that the Israelis taught the US police how to kill George Floyd. The problem is that it is a lie. Even the far-Left, anti-Israel group Amnesty – widely alleged to be the source of the story – has denied that it is true. It is simple anti-Zionism reheated to suit the current moment.

So perhaps it isn’t surprising that a Jeremy Corbyn protégée like Rebecca Long-Bailey should have retweeted the interview in which Peake made this claim. Apart from its racism, the interview included the standard actress stuff about the wonders of Corbynism and the importance of bringing down capitalism. They aren’t fools, these actresses. They know that if there’s one way that their profession will be reinvigorated, post-lockdown, it will be through the obliteration of the market economy. But Labour is now in new hands. And Keir Starmer swiftly sacked Long-Bailey. While his predecessor said there was no place for racism at the top of Labour, Starmer has done something to prove it.

But the question I want answered is: where is Equity, the actors’ union? Earlier this year, after the actor Laurence Fox appeared on Question Time, the union (of which he is not even a member) denounced him. Fox’s crime was to say that he didn’t think Britain was a racist country. For this, Equity branded him a “disgrace”. Actor after actor lined up to condemn him and lobby to make sure he never worked again. After Fox took legal action and forced an apology out of Equity, the entire “race equality committee” of the union resigned.


Perhaps this is why Equity have been so silent on Peake. Because there is no one left to do the full witch-dunking denunciation act. Or perhaps the silence is explained in another way. The same way that one might explain the silence of the actors and celebs who clambered over each other to denounce Fox. Could it be that most people in the acting and celebrity worlds are happy with someone who promotes conspiracy theories, so long as it is wrapped up in the fashionable idiot language of anti-capitalism and “equality”?

I suspect so. In which case I would strongly recommend that Peake and her colleagues mull on something. What Fox said on Question Time reflects the sentiment of the vast majority of the British public. What Peake said reflects the views of a small group of malcontents who the public has rejected at the ballot box every time we have had the chance. So here is the thing, my actor-y friends. It’s not the public who are living in some hyper-partisan, out-of-touch bubble. It’s you. And we can see you very well.



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[Crimson Dynamo]

. What Laurence Fox said on Question Time reflects the sentiment of the vast majority of the British public. What Peake said reflects the views of a small group of malcontents who the public has rejected at the ballot box every time we have had the chance. So here is the thing, my actor-y friends. It’s not the public who are living in some hyper-partisan, out-of-touch bubble. It’s you. And we can see you very well.

[The Slim Reaper]

Maxine came out herself and said she'd got it wrong. Did Laurence?

What are the policy goals of this "extreme left" you keep referencing? Help me understand how extreme they really are.

[Oliver_W]

It's a pretty new country, so it's still at the same point that other countries were several hundred years back. Just like how islam was invented a few hundred years after Christianity, which is why as an ideology it inspires about similar violence as other religions had in the middle ages. Neither can be held accountable for their actions :shrug:

[MB.]

"Israel is still a relatively new country so the IDF can do whatever they want with zero accountability" is certainly a take

[arista]

Maxine came out herself and said she'd got it wrong. Did Laurence?

What are the policy goals of this "extreme left" you keep referencing? Help me understand how extreme they really are.


He stands by what he said
he is not a Racist.

[The Slim Reaper]

He stands by what he said
he is not a Racist.

There's the fundamental difference then. Close thread, as LT has his answer.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Laurence certainly has spooked the far left

And they do not like it

[Oliver_W]

What did Laurence Fox say that annoyed people?

[Black Dagger]

Laurence certainly has spooked the far left

And they do not like it

Aye sis. He ****ing terrifies me.

[Tom4784]

Israel have committed continual human rights abuse that the right often ignores for their own agenda.

[Marsh.]

Laurence Fox was denounced for saying Britain is not racist? Erm no. Let's not make up fairy stories.

And LT defending an actor for their political stance is a joke considering that when they don't agree with him he's telling them to shut up and get back to reading lines other people wrote. A joke. :joker:

[Brother Leon]

Maybe because they don’t support War Crimes, Violation of Human Rights, Apartheid amongst a list of disgusting actions.

[Oliver_W]

Maybe because they don’t support War Crimes, Violation of Human Rights, Apartheid amongst a list of disgusting actions.

Then they shouldn't support Palestine either :shrug:

A two state solution shouldn't even be given a speck of consideration until Hamas and Hezbellah are ousted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe Keir is going to root out all the anti-Semitism entrenched in the left?

[Nicky91]

calling us Left extreme :umm2:


when we're not the ones who are racist :spin:

[Livia]

Maybe Keir is going to root out all the anti-Semitism entrenched in the left?

Impossible, I reckon. They're fanatical… I don't hang around any threads to do with Jews or Israel because anti-Semitism has been allowed to stand on this forum and now people are beginning to think it's acceptable.

[Oliver_W]

calling us Left extreme :umm2:


when we're not the ones who are racist :spin:
He didn't say that. He meant the extremes from the Left. Lefties and Righties have their extremes.

Maybe Keir is going to root out all the anti-Semitism entrenched in the left?
Too big a task. All he can do is make a visible effort to tackle it within Labour, to turn around the presented narrative from Corbyn's time as Labour leader.

[Nicky91]

He didn't say that. He meant the extremes from the Left. Lefties and Righties have their extremes.


Too big a task. All he can do is make a visible effort to tackle it within Labour, to turn around the presented narrative from Corbyn's time as Labour leader.

the only ones extreme are the Far Right


not in the Left, but this is just a typical case of shoving blame on opposition from extreme right wing, accusing left of extremism without having any proof or evidence

[Livia]

the only ones extreme are the Far Right


not in the Left, but this is just a typical case of shoving blame on opposition from extreme right wing, accusing left of extremism without having any proof or evidence

With respect Nicky, I'm pretty sure this is about the UK. And there is a long history here of the far Left hating Jews. The far Right and the far Left are pretty much the same meat with different gravy.

[The Slim Reaper]

Personally, I'd be upset that one of my friends only used it as a troll, rather than to contribute to any discussion, but we're all different.

[Liam-]

Once again criticism of Israel is being conflated with antisemitism, which really isn’t helpful in any sense of the word

[Livia]

Once again criticism of Israel is being conflated with antisemitism, which really isn’t helpful in any sense of the word

You didn't even read the OP, did you.

[Liam-]

Yep

[Livia]

Yep

I'm surprised.

[Cherie]

Personally, I'd be upset that one of my friends only used it as a troll, rather than to contribute to any discussion, but we're all different.

I think that’s quite unfair, the article is an interesting and thought provoking read, you post a lot of similar stuff from the opposite spectrum so not sure why one would be considered trolling while the other would be considered fine :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

I think that’s quite unfair, the article is an interesting and thought provoking read, you post a lot of similar stuff from the opposite spectrum so not sure why one would be considered trolling while the other would be considered fine :shrug:

The article wasn't the post I was referring to, and nor just in this thread.

Absolutely, the article is thread worthy.

[Liam-]

I'm surprised.

That I read?

[Cherie]

The article wasn't the post I was referring to, and nor just in this thread.

Absolutely, the article is thread worthy.

Oh right I only read the article and the last few posts :hehe:

[The Slim Reaper]

Oh right I only read the article and the last few posts :hehe:

Apology accepted :smug:

[Marsh.]

That I read?

:laugh:

The expert on Israel is here, didn't you know?

[Brother Leon]

Then they shouldn't support Palestine either :shrug:

A two state solution shouldn't even be given a speck of consideration until Hamas and Hezbellah are ousted.

You can’t expect the oppressed to just sit there and smile. You basically want there to be no opposition whatsoever and allow Israel to do what they want to the Middle East? Sounds like a great plan there.

You can say what you want about Hezbollah, but if it wasn’t for their resistance then Lebanon would have become another Palestine. Where would it all stop then?

[Livia]

:laugh:

The expert on Israel is here, didn't you know?

Well, if having spent a lot of my working time there in the last few years, have visited because I have family there... and the fact that the reason I work there is because I am qualified in International Law.

Oh.... and I'm a Jew. That doesn't got down too well with people who shout and holler about Israel and Palestine but have been to neither, and have only read what suits their own agenda.

[Nicky91]

Well, if having spent a lot of my working time there in the last few years, have visited because I have family there... and the fact that the reason I work there is because I am qualified in International Law.

Oh.... and I'm a Jew. That doesn't got down too well with people who shout and holler about Israel and Palestine but have been to neither, and have only read what suits their own agenda.

i haven't been in Israel or Palestine, i admit

[The Slim Reaper]

i haven't been in Israel or Palestine, i admit

People haven't been to war zones either, but happily dehumanise the people fleeing them.

[Toy Soldier]

Well, if having spent a lot of my working time there in the last few years, have visited because I have family there... and the fact that the reason I work there is because I am qualified in International Law.



Oh.... and I'm a Jew. That doesn't got down too well with people who shout and holler about Israel and Palestine but have been to neither, and have only read what suits their own agenda.All of that lived experience would be exceptionally valuable in a debate if you had any interest in sharing or discussing it, but you don't. You just want to say "I have it", and expect that to be the end of the debate, then you're surprised or offended when it isn't.

[Tom4784]

Saying you've been somewhere isn't an argument (Especially when it's so easy to lie online, saying you have done something is never a compelling argument in of itself) and you don't need to have been to a place to have a view on it's politics.

Israel is a country and one that regularly violates human rights and it's been investigated for committing war crimes. To try to paint anyone who criticises Israel as anti-semitic is just plain gross, especially in defense of a country that has comitted such serious attrocities. The Jewish people have suffered more than most under cruel regimes so to use accusations of anti-semitism as a shield to defend a country that's widely known to commit atrocities is quite unpalateable to say the least. I'm not jewish and it's not the same but I'd personally hate it if someone used bigotry towards the LGBT as a shield from accusations of violence. In both cases it undermines the crimes committed against the minority in question.

Now Palestine isn't innocent either but, at the end of the day, when you compare the citizen loss of life between Israel and Palestine, Palestine's civilians have been murdered in much greater numbers than Israel's in the same conflicts. I cannot defend a country that thinks it's justified to regularly murder civilians en masse. It's a simple scale to balance it on and I think both countries should face consequences for their actions but the civilian loss of life makes Israel's offences far more egregious.

[Marsh.]

Well, if having spent a lot of my working time there in the last few years, have visited because I have family there... and the fact that the reason I work there is because I am qualified in International Law.

Oh.... and I'm a Jew. That doesn't got down too well with people who shout and holler about Israel and Palestine but have been to neither, and have only read what suits their own agenda.

Aye... expert. :rolleyes: Comes in handy for shouting others down, but not much in the way of actual content. Funny that.

[arista]

...we all just assess and comment on what we see, Cherie...well I do, I only ever speak for myself and the things I personally observe...


how nice

[Niamh.]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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